Courage

[Alex Gandy]

In Ch. 11, Mrs. Dubose plays a prominent role in the Finch’s lives.  At the end of the chapter, Atticus calls her “the bravest person [he] ever knew.”  Reread Atticus’s description of what real courage is on the final page of the chapter.  In general, do you agree with his definition?  Why or why not?  

How do you think this unique view of what it means to be courageous might play into the novel as we continue reading?

[Jacob Tanamachi]

I agree completely with Atticus' definition of courage because, in my opinion, there is nothing more frightening than going into something knowing you're going to lose. The fear of the unknown is something that plagues all of us at one point in time; only a select few of us will push forward into it. Atticus describes courage as completing a task no matter what, and seeing it through to the very end, which can be difficult when you know the end is not going to be in your favor. I also believe that this form of courage will continue to play a major part in the story as it continues, both in the Tom Robinson case, and also in Jem & Scout's life. Although I don't know exactly how...

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Alex Gandy <alexga...@gmail.com> wrote:

In Ch. 11, Mrs. Dubose plays a prominent role in the Finch’s lives.  At the end of the chapter, Atticus calls her “the bravest person [he] ever knew.”  Reread Atticus’s description of what real courage is on the final page of the chapter.  In general, do you agree with his definition?  Why or why not?  

How do you think this unique view of what it means to be courageous might play into the novel as we continue reading?

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[Siqi Huang]

It is like saying who real heros are because it's not one of those prominent people that everyone knows about. Mrs. Dubose stood a special meaning to Atticus because a feeble and rude old lady contradicts a typical notion of courage. Like always, Atticus was able to see both the outside and Mrs.Dubose's perspective. I would mostly agree because although Mrs. Dubose is inconsiderate, I probaly won't get far by feeding off of morphine. And I also like that Atticus defined courage as if it's something not measured by physical strengths, which is just like him.

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Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 15:03:51 -0500
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In Ch. 11, Mrs. Dubose plays a prominent role in the Finch’s lives.  At the end of the chapter, Atticus calls her “the bravest person [he] ever knew.”  Reread Atticus’s description of what real courage is on the final page of the chapter.  In general, do you agree with his definition?  Why or why not?  

How do you think this unique view of what it means to be courageous might play into the novel as we continue reading?

[BLAKE GRABSKY]

     I agree with Atticus's definition of courage. I think the first time I heard the word courage was when I watch the Wizard of Oz. One character, the lion, wanted to ask a powerful wizard for courage, but the lion was doubting himself the whole way. I think this is excellent support for Atticus's definition. Atticus describes courage as knowing that you have a disadvantage at something, but you see it all the way through no matter what. The lion's lack of courage made him almost not want to visit the wizard, but saw it all the way through and made it to the wizard. When the lion arrived, he didn't need the wizard to give him courage because he got it when he decided not to stay behind.

     It's a good chance that further into the novel, Atticus will try to follow in the footsteps of Mrs. Dubose. It's likely that he will give all of his effort in Tom Robinson's case even though he knows that he's probably going to lose. Atticus also said that courageous people rarely win, so I bet that Atticus will be able to pull of the case and win it for Tom Robinson.

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Alex Gandy <alexga...@gmail.com> wrote:

In Ch. 11, Mrs. Dubose plays a prominent role in the Finch’s lives.  At the end of the chapter, Atticus calls her “the bravest person [he] ever knew.”  Reread Atticus’s description of what real courage is on the final page of the chapter.  In general, do you agree with his definition?  Why or why not?  

How do you think this unique view of what it means to be courageous might play into the novel as we continue reading?

[Amy Schmitt]

I love Atticus's definition of courage and I agree with it. Nobody can predict the future, so who's to say you're not going to come out on top? The circumstances that apply to a situation might be awful, but it takes courage to try, despite the odds. I think Atticus was spot on with his definition. When the fight for victory out shines the fear of loss, that's courage. It is courageous to stand up against the odds because they're not set in stone. I think that this trait of thought will have a role throughout the novel because Atticus has shown that he likes to lead by example, and for him to state this, I'm sure he will find his own way to be courageous. I've noticed he already has made an example of himself by agreeing to fight for Tom Robinson although he predicts to lose the court case.

[Angelica Pasaran]

I agree with Atticus' definition! I also think that a person who knows they have no chance in something but still continue to put the effort into it, proves that they are courageous. I mean we already know that Atticus is his own definition of courage because he is fighting a case that he says he has no chance in winning. As we continue reading I think this will come along again as Atticus is fighting in trial. --- On Mon, 5/6/13, Alex Gandy <alexga...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Jacob Tanamachi]

I agree, Blake. Your connection with the Wizzard of Oz made perfect sense. Courage, to me, is diving head first into every situation that is presented, no matter what disadvantage may come along. Courage cannot be given as a gift or handed out. Courage is obtained when there is no other option but to push forward. There is a very famous quote by a World War I fighter pilot named Eddie Rickenbacker. When asked if he ever got afraid while flying he responded: "Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage, unless you're scared." I believe this fits the situation of Atticus very well. He is obviously scared that the town will turn its back on him after the Tom Robinson case is adjourned, but nevertheless he has the full intention of fighting.

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[Wil Kahlich]

Atticus' definition of courage true, though not in all cases. While his definition is an excellent EXAMPLE

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[Wil Kahlich]

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While Atticus' definition is an excellent EXAMPLE of what it is to be courageous, it is not the truest definition. Courage is refusing to back down, in spite of opposition. Now going into something knowing you will lose, but also knowing that not going into it would go against your morals, is a wonderful example of this. But so is making the hard choices when the choices need to be made. So is standing up for a friend, when you're the only one who will. So is continuing to live, when you know there is little hope for survival.

This idea of courage will play a major role in this novel as the trial approaches, as it takes place, and after it is over. Courage will be needed in all parties after such a controversial topic is brought to court.

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[Mikayla Lewison]

OH! What a good point Blake. I really like how the the lion had enough courage, because if I were him, I probably wouldn't have the guts to do what the lion did. When I think of courage, I don't necessarily think of the bravest person in a group of people. I honestly think that someone who is courageous is anyone who is scared to do or say something and do it. I think Atticus does a great job displaying this characteristic. He is nervous about the ordeal with Tom, but he still pushed through and displays tremendous acts of courage even if he didn't want too.

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[Katharine Jovicich]

Angelica
I agree with you for agreeing with Atticus. Even when Atticus was in court he defended to three best of his ability even if he new it was a slim chance to win. Mrs. Dubose was an addict all her life and even in the last years of her life put the effort in quitting and suffering through the pain. This is why Atticus thinks highly of her because she shows courage and effort for her life even though she will die any day.

[zulrich]

I agree with Atticus's definition of courage because it takes real courage to want to be rude to someone and expect them to be nice to you in return. She obviously didn't know the saying "treat others like you want to be treated", because she called Atticus, Scout and Jem very not nice things. Yet, Atticus still treated her like nothing happened. I do think that this form of courageousness will show up again during the trial, because Atticus will have to treat the opposers like he doesn't know them as friends, but as people on the other side of what he sees as right.

[Caroline McCoy]

I agree with Amy, and I remember when I read Atticus's definition of courage I absolutely loved it and underlined it. Amy talked about how that since no one knows what's going to happen, who says that it can't be you who is on top? I've thought about that before; no matter how many people there are why can't it be me or why can't I be one of them? Amy also talked about how no matter the odds, basically anything can happen. Whatever your goal is anything could occur, so why not stay and find out what will happen? You could have fun and even come out on top.

[Emma Preston]

Caroline, I agree with you. I think that even if you believe you may fail at something, you should still give it a shot. Like you said, sometimes you may surprise yourself and things may turn out in your favor, even though you didn't think that they would. Even if you aren't the very best, you could very well be one near the top, and that is one more thing you can say you have accomplished. If you had given up before you started, you never would have known how it would have turned out.

[Caleb Smith-Shaw]

I disagree with Atticus' explanation of why Mrs. Dubose being brave. I can understand that it was a hard struggle for her to quick morphine cold turkey, but that doesn't mean that she was a brave person when she was using. Unlike Atticus, who faces his problems head on, Mrs. Dubose abused morphine to escape her problems. Many drug addict use drugs to escape reality or problems instead of facing them head on. I think that addicts addressing that they have a problem and try to make things better for themselves, like Mrs. Dubose did, is a good example of bravery.     

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Alex Gandy <alexga...@gmail.com> wrote:

In Ch. 11, Mrs. Dubose plays a prominent role in the Finch’s lives.  At the end of the chapter, Atticus calls her “the bravest person [he] ever knew.”  Reread Atticus’s description of what real courage is on the final page of the chapter.  In general, do you agree with his definition?  Why or why not?  

How do you think this unique view of what it means to be courageous might play into the novel as we continue reading?

[Caleb Smith-Shaw]

I agree with zulrich. Atticus is a brave person because he keeps his cool even when he is dealing with someone, like Mrs. Dubose.  My personal definition of bravery is going into a situation that you know is going to be unpleasant and you just power through it. Atticus is the exact definition of this kind of bravery. Whether it be with Mrs. Dubose or Bob Ewell, he remains calm and treats them with respect. I also agree with zulrich's point about Atticus facing people on on the opposing side. It seems like it would be out of his character to oppose the views of others publicly.   

[Caren Aguilar]

I agree with what atticus says, only when you can hold your head up high when the chips are down can you really be called courageous,  only when you know that you cannot win, but you still want to go on will people finally start to believe that you are brave and that's what Atticus is trying to teach his children about, that and what he is really doing with this case, you know.

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[Katharine Jovicich]

Caroline
I agree with you that even when you aren't the best at one thing you should still try to secceed and not give up. Practice helps you be the best. I don't think anyone's born with talents or success. It takes practice and work to be the best! Courage is an idea I see as not giving up because to be the best you have to fail sometimes but to over come the failures it takes courage.

[Robert Cooper Flickinger]

I agree with Jacob. The fact that mrs. Dubose is going to die and she and everybody knows it but she still manages to do everything that she does shows courage. She keeps fighting even though she knows she is going to loose just like Atticus with the trial. 

On Monday, May 6, 2013, Jacob Tanamachi wrote:

I agree completely with Atticus' definition of courage because, in my opinion, there is nothing more frightening than going into something knowing you're going to lose. The fear of the unknown is something that plagues all of us at one point in time; only a select few of us will push forward into it. Atticus describes courage as completing a task no matter what, and seeing it through to the very end, which can be difficult when you know the end is not going to be in your favor. I also believe that this form of courage will continue to play a major part in the story as it continues, both in the Tom Robinson case, and also in Jem & Scout's life. Although I don't know exactly how...

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Alex Gandy <alexga...@gmail.com> wrote:

In Ch. 11, Mrs. Dubose plays a prominent role in the Finch’s lives.  At the end of the chapter, Atticus calls her “the bravest person [he] ever knew.”  Reread Atticus’s description of what real courage is on the final page of the chapter.  In general, do you agree with his definition?  Why or why not?  

How do you think this unique view of what it means to be courageous might play into the novel as we continue reading?

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