Week 3 - You Pick!

[Alex Gandy]

You have read the novel...what do you want to talk about??  A word?  A passage?  A frustration?  Something you loved?  Whatever!  Go!

[Alexandra Olazaran]

What are some places in the book that allude to our class definition of "it's a sin to kill a mockingbird" example: "Atticus says cheatin' a colored man is ten times worse than cheatin' a white man" or "Mr. Underwood simply figured it was a sin to kill cripples, be they standing, sitting, or escaping. He likened Tom's death to the senseless slaughter of songbirds by hunters and children,". The first excerpt was our definition of colored people being mockingbirds and how Atticus begrudgingly says that Jem and Scout can kill all the bluejays they want but not to kill mockingbirds. The second excerpt was our definition of the innocent being mockingbirds. Mr. Underwood even compares killing a cripple to killing a songbird, which is a mockingbird.

On May 22, 2013, at 3:00 AM, Alex Gandy <alexga...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Ali Quarles]

I am extremely frustrated about the trial! Of course, not all books have happy endings, but I feel like the Ty knew he was innocent. It is hard for me because Tom grew on me so much. He was just a good man.  One day, me and my friend went to Starbucks and we had to sit outside because there was no room inside. It had just rained, so we were awkwardly standing up with are coffee. There was a nice older man who said "Hey! Let me wipe off a table for you!", and just started being super nice to us. My friend thought he was a creeper just because he was being nice to her and I because you just do not see people like that these days. That is how Tom was boxed in when he would do random acts of kindness for Mayeella. That really upset me and frustrated me to no end!

Alison Marie Quarles

On May 22, 2013, at 3:00 AM, Alex Gandy <alexga...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Dalia Gabriela Rebolledo]

During the book, we talked about a lot of things, such as symbolism, atticusisms, and the meaning of the book. But what we never mentioned are the many idioms used in the book. A more resent idiom that I found was at the very end of chapter 17, when Scout says: "I thought Jem was counting his chickens." I think we are all familiar with the idiom:  Don't count your chickens before they hatch:
Don't rely on it until your sure of it. In this chapter we see Jem being confident with winning the trial but he shouldn't be so confident, because at the end they might not win. What are other idioms you found in the book? Why are they important?

2013/5/22 Alex Gandy <alexga...@gmail.com>

You have read the novel...what do you want to talk about??  A word?  A passage?  A frustration?  Something you loved?  Whatever!  Go!

[Jacob Tanamachi]

I would just like to express my complete and utmost respect for Atticus throughout the novel. It's ironic that his name sounds like the word "catalyst" because he is indeed the perfect example of catalysts during this controversial time in our nations history. He models those brave men and women who decided to take a stand against inhumane acts of hatred toward people of a difference background. Our nation would not be what it is today-a truly free nation for all people of all backgrounds- if not for those who stood out against discrimination. 

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On May 22, 2013, at 3:00 AM, Alex Gandy <alexga...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Ali Quarles]

Sorry guys Autocorrect made jury Ty. I meant JURY

Alison Marie Quarles

[Shaye Murray]

That's very interesting Alex! I didn't even make that connection at the end, though I should have. It all makes sense now. I had originally thought Mr. Underwood was just emphasizing the cruelty of Toms death by comparing it to killing innocent creatures. Which makes sense as mockingbirds are innocent animals, I just failed to make that connection. I guess he is calling mockingbirds "helpless" as it seems that's how he sees cripples.

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[Sarah Park]

Ali, I completely agree with you! The society we live in today, it seems like being nice is now a sin. People don't appreciate the fact that some people are just nice and you can do things for free without a catch. It's okay to be nice to people and do random acts of kindness. Yeah, there are people who try to backfire it on you, but that doesn't mean that everyone who does kind things are weird or creepy. They simply just want to please others and do kind things. It did make me angry when Tom was saying that he did it free of cost and the rest not believing him. He sounded so innocent and really all he wanted to do was help out.

[Ali Quarles]

Gabby, these are important for several reasons. It is kind of a play on words. It keeps the reader intact with the novel instead of saying something like " Jem was assuming from little fact", you say "Jem was counting his chickens". It makes the text flow better and it is just way more interesting and fun. Plus we have to remember, the point of view is from a 6 year old. She has probably heard these from people around her in the community and her neighbors.

Alison Marie Quarles

[Ali Quarles]

I agree with you Jacob! I never had even thought of that! Atticus sounds like catalyst, which can start or speed up chemical reactions. I think Atticus speeds up the reaction of trying to change how society thinks of people. He is trying to make the world a better place. I wish there were more people in the world like Atticus or Tom. These people are the people who keep us believing the world is a good place. I will never give up hope.

Alison Marie Quarles

[Kennedy Curley]

I haven't read the ending yet, but so far it doesn't seem happy, which frustates me a little bit. I don't really like when a story doesn't have a happy ending, and Tom Robinson being voted guilty by the jury doesn't seem very happy to me. Throughout the story, I was hopeful that Atticus would be wrong about losing the case, but he turned out to be right, and it wasn't the type of mircaculous ending I usually see in books like this. It's like watching the Miami Heat in the playoffs. You're hopeful that they'll lose, but you know they're going to win it all. I'm still reading on to see if there's a happier ending, though.

[Caroline McCoy]

Alison, I love that you said this and responded the way you did! It's so upsetting and frustrating that things like what that nice old man did for you guys is easily viewed by, of course not just your friend, but many people in public. People just aren't as openly friendly as I think some used to have been. It's upsetting that the jury knew he was innocent and they still said he was guilty. Of course we know that happens and that was how things were but Tom seemed like such a nice person and he cared for his family, he would never have done the things Mayella accused him of doing. 

On May 23, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Ali Quarles <alison....@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Meagan Kelly]

I just want to bring up the point that this book is written to share a story about how Jem broke his arm. I think this is clever in the way that Harper Lee used something that was broken (Jem's arm) to show something that should be broken (racism). It's almost like Animal Farm, how there was another meaning behind the actual story. The story in To Kill a Mockingbird was supposed to be about Jem breaking his arm but she used that story to explain why we should stop racism. In both Animal Farm and TKAM, I think it's a good way to keep your readers thinking and interested. 

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[Meagan Kelly]

Jacob, that's really interesting because I've never made that connection between his name and the word catalyst. You bring up a really good point that he is the start to the new times of trying to be equal. Because of Atticus people are willing to be open minded to any idea of Atticus's since he is so admired in the town. I admired Atticus in a lot of different ways. Especially because he wants to be the same person in his house as he is on the streets. Without real life Atticus's we wouldn't have the freedom we do today and we would still have disgusting people like the Ewell's running our lives. 

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On May 23, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Jacob Tanamachi <jet.tan...@gmail.com> wrote:

[zulrich]

I agree, and also want to say the good person inside all of us is pretty frustrated too. I, for one was upset but not surprised when the biast jury (not ty) said Tom was guilty. Although I saw it coming, there is no reason not to say he had an unfair trial, because this happened when segregation was still a thing. It is unfortunate that Tom had to end up the way he did, he was a good man. Probably my second favorite in the book, after Atticus.

[Shaye Murray]

That's a really good point Alison! Though it isn't as apparent now days, chivalry isn't dead. But it is uncommon so when someone is kind, it confuses people and causes them to conclude that there are other motives behind it. It's sad really, that people can't be nice just to be nice. And it did seem as if the jury knew he was innocent, but I don't think they wanted to elongate all the drama and controversy that had arisen during the trial so they had to rule him guilty. It is also irritating to me how no one really spoke up about the ruling, though a lot of the people in the courtroom seemed to believe him to be innocent.

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On May 23, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Ali Quarles <alison....@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Alexandra Olazaran]

Alison, I agree completely. I think that that part of book showed that in life, people will shape situations for their convenience. It was convenient for Mr. Gimler to frame Tom Robinson as a creepy admirer of Mayella's so that he could win the jury over, regardless of whether they knew who was truly guilty and innocent. I am not hating on your friend or the kind stranger at Starbucks, but we can say that theoretically of he committed a crime, your friend could say that he was creepy by unnecessarily helping you guys. I hope I was able to make myself clear, but I'm just trying to say that any good thing can be manipulated into looking like a bad thing.

On May 23, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Ali Quarles <alison....@yahoo.com> wrote:

[roni medina]

I agree with Allison!! you really honestly don't see too many people who are genuinely nice anymore! I'll be honest I do get creeped out sometimes because someone's being overly nice, but it's only because I'm so used to seeing grumpy people. Tom did all the things he did because it was the right thing to do. Mayella offered to give him a nickel but he told her to keep it just because he didn't feel like it'd be the right thing to take it from her if he's only helping. I hope that makes sense

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[Kennedy Curley]

I agree with Jacob. There are both positive and negative effects in the family loyalty displayed throughout the book. Scout and Jem always have Atticus' back, and they would always stand up for what's right because of their loyalty to Atticus. However, the Ewells show that bad things come from family loyalty, too. Without Mayella's loyalty, which was also viewed as fear, Tom Robinson wouldn't have been charged guilty. Instead, she decided to side with her father and allowed an innocent man to be punished. We also saw Scout beat Francis, so the book shows some positive effects and some negative effects.

[Siqi Huang]

I don't find the whole book that impressive as I have heard from people because I've heard racism so much. Mainly, I find it frustrating to accept racism even though I know the background is in the 1930s. This word contains so many cruel summarized stories that it washes away a lot of meaning but this book gives us a thorough environment of that setting. Although I know racism was crucial at that time, I still find it hard to accept that trial, it just frustrates me because it's injustice and using race to accuse anything is WRONG. The highlight was the trial and it disgusts me that people would even think that way. It's amazing how the way people think would evolve in just a few years. I've been wondering what would happen to many of us if we were to still live in that period. We've grown up in an ambiance of anti-racism so imagine how many of us would actually openly defend black people.

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[Mikayla Lewison]

I personally hated reading the trial, so I agree y'all! There is always this feeling in the pit of my stomach that just wants to freak out in frustration, but then I remember it's only a book. I was upset too Zach, my heart hurt when Tom was found guilty. I want to cry thinking about it. If anyone wasn't upset reading it, just think if you were taking a test and the teacher thought you were cheating when you were. You get a zero but didn't even cheat. This is exactly how Tom felt. He didn't hurt Mayella, but he was convicted. It's such an unfair trial...don't discriminate because he's black. WHO CARES?! Honestly, who cares if they are black, white, purple, or pink colored skin. What if the person had a serious disability? I don't understand discrimination. I honestly could rant about this all day long, but I think my point was made.

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[Caroline McCoy]

"'Hitler is the government,' said Miss Gates, and seizing an opportunity I make education dynamic, she went to the blackboard. She printed DEMOCRACY in large letters. 'Democracy,' she said. 'Does anybody have a definition?' 'Us,' somebody said. I raised my hand, remembering an old campaign slogan Atticus had once told me about. 'What do you think it means, Jean Louise?' '"Equal rights for all, special priveleges for none,"' I quoted. 'Very good, Jean Louise, very good,' Miss Gates smiled. In front if DEMOCRACY, she printed WE ARE A. 'Now class, say it all together, 'We are a democracy.'' We said it. Then Miss Gates said, 'That's the difference between America and Germany. We are a democracy and Germany is a dictatorship. Dictator-ship,' she said. 'Over here we don't believe in persecuting anybody. Persecution comes from people who are prejudices. Pre-ju-dice,' she enunciated carefully. 'There are no better people in the world than the Jews, and why Hitler doesn't think so is a mystery to me.' An inquiring soul in the middle of the room said, 'Why don't they like the Jews, you reckon, Miss Gates?' 'I don't know, Henry. They contribute to every society they live in, and most of all they are deeply religious people.'" (This is towards the end of Ch. 26-in my tall book page 281) I know this passage is long but I couldn't leave any part of it out. I find it absolutely ridiculous that Miss Gates is going on about how horrible Hitler is to these people that contribute to society and haven't truly done anything wrong when, of course that's true, but the exact same thing goes for African Americans. They all have contributed to their society and have done more than their fair share. In Maycomb they are horrified by Hitler's actions but they find their own normal. They are doing the same type of things (prejudice, etc.-not gas chambers) as Hitler and the Nazis. I know it's crazy to think that they would actually think for once that their actions are way out there and go along with Hitler's but can't they think for once and realize that they can't criticize Hitler as much as they think? First they need to realize that they are treating the African Americans in the same way and that they aren't that innocent in the matter and that they aren't as "good-hearted" as they may think.

On May 22, 2013, at 3:00 AM, Alex Gandy <alexga...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[reese.svetgoff]

I agree with Mikayla and Zach that reading the trial was difficult. It is s hard to understand how people can be so ignorant and racist. The only reason they are racist is because that is the way they were raised. Although, that is of course no excuse, I do not understand how no white person had the courage to stand up for what they believe to be right. They should have listen to the Atticusism that said bravery is not a man with a gun, but someone who starts knowing their "licked" before they begin. I just wish that they were not ignorant so that Tom would have gotten a fair trial.

[Amy Schmitt]

Meagan, I loved your entry. The analogy you made between the broken arm and the broken racial status that society had going on at that time. I never thought about it that way before, and I like the connection. I was starting to wonder lately what Jem's arm had anything to do with the story and I like how you bridged that gap for me! The other thing you mentioned about keeping the story interesting was spot on because I have thought about it and it has kept me compelled to figure out what in the world she will make of her conclusion. Thanks Meagan!

[Caren Aguilar]

The one thing that I did not get is aunt Alexandria's behavior, one minute she's hardcore anyone who doesn't do or agree with their families are too unfit to be near her or her family, or anyone she deems unworthy is not fit to be near her at all and is not deemed a lady or gentleman to anyone else if she had her way at it, which she does, then she goes around and says that she's scared for Claponia's life and that to make sure she's safe they should fire her, or she would act like she is sorry for her brother( not that she's not) but at the end she starts to really contradict herself at the end of the book that's all. It's just weird, how should you feel when she turns like that, remorse for feeling bad towards her or glad that she finally mended her ways, or has she and WHAT"S GOING ONNNNN! (sob) what am I supposed to feel towards a woman who loves to bet on people and yet at the same time does not, it's confusing.

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[Meagan Kelly]

Oh my gosh Caroline when I read that part in the book I literally got so angry at that. It literally blows my mind how white people thought they were so much better than any other skin color. I think the worst part about Miss Gates is later when Scout tells Jem about this. "Well, coming out of the courthouse that night Miss Gates was-she was goin down the steps in front if us, you musta not seen her-she was talking with miss Stephanie Crawford. I heard her say its time somebody taught em a lesson, they were gettin way above themselves, an the next thing they think they can do is marry us. Jem how can you hate hitler so bad an then turn around and be ugly about folks right at home-" I think it's ridiculous that a little girl realizes how wrong this is over some grown adult who is teaching the future generation. 

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[Meagan Kelly]

You bring up a good point Caren. I'm not entirely sure, but maybe it's because she realizes that her brother is such a good person who doesn't mean disrespect to the family and when she learns about how wise Scout is and how well she can handle bad situations, I think she lightens up because she understands how hard it is to raise someone right in that time period. You can't be like everyone but you have to be respected. For Aunt Alexandra I think that's a hard concept because all she's known is to be like everyone else. 

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[Wil Kahlich]

I'm slightly confused....I've talked with some people about the end of the book, and I'm not sure if it was Boo Radly who killed Bob Ewell or if he fell on his knife. Boo doesn't say anything, Heck Tate says he fell on his knife, and Scout and Atticus think Jem did it. I'm not sure which is true. If you take it literally, It's very misleading, but if you read into it, the implication is that Boo could have done it. Thoughts?

-Wil

[Igor Do Nascimento]

I completly understand what you mean Will, but i dont believe that Jem did it, if you take it in the order of events, Jem was out before Bob Ewell grabbed Scout, so it means that he was still alive when Mr. Arthur came in and saved her. and then it is when it gets confusing, but if i had to guess i would say that Heck Tate's explanation might have been the way it happened, since the only one with the intention to kill at that moment was Bob. since the situation is kind of the same compared to when the Ewell's accused Tom, there was not a real evidence to prove guilty, but just the witnesses present, in which case Boo Radley does not talk, and his testimonial would be the one that matters in my opinion, since he was the last one to take on Bob.

[Katharine Jovicich]

This is a love and frustration. I loved the Boo Radley part at the end and how kind he was. I didnt like that that was only a chapter or two in the book besides the begening terror of him. I thing the part could have been extedned or explained more of the future when he comes out to play with Dill, Scout, and Jim because its like hes a child in an adults body. He could have started life again. Also we never really get full clearity why Boo stays in the house, but why his older brother comes out of the house? It was a great moment when he was scred of the dark because it shows hes a child on the inside, but he also doesnt like the light. I wish we knew more about why he stays inside? Did something dramatic happen to him as a child? Why were the blinds always shut in the house?

[Katharine Jovicich]

Alison-

I completely agree that Tate is the good guy at the end for saying Bob Ewell killed himself and covrering up for any suspitions on anyone eles, but durring the trial he had no truble blamming Tom and covering or at least beliving the Ewells. If everyone in Maycomb knew the Ewells didnt hold up to their word then Tate should of known to call a doctor or confirm the story with neighbors. I also am frustrated that some people think that strangers are weird to be nice and good deads for free dont come around offten. I am upset Mayella didnt crack up on the stand and confess to it all.

On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Ali Quarles <alison....@yahoo.com> wrote:

I am extremely frustrated about the trial! Of course, not all books have happy endings, but I feel like the Ty knew he was innocent. It is hard for me because Tom grew on me so much. He was just a good man.  One day, me and my friend went to Starbucks and we had to sit outside because there was no room inside. It had just rained, so we were awkwardly standing up with are coffee. There was a nice older man who said "Hey! Let me wipe off a table for you!", and just started being super nice to us. My friend thought he was a creeper just because he was being nice to her and I because you just do not see people like that these days. That is how Tom was boxed in when he would do random acts of kindness for Mayeella. That really upset me and frustrated me to no end!

Alison Marie Quarles

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[Caleb Smith-Shaw]

I agree with Jacob on the point that Atticus is a catalyst throughout the novel. I like the way that he makes other people think without directly saying what he wants you to think. I also think that Atticus is a great father. He teaches the children many important life lessons throughout the book. Atticus lets his children figure things out on their own in such a way that they end up understanding better than if he had explained it to them.  

[Gissel Glez]

I Agree with Siqi in that people back then used to always defend white people as she said in “Although I know racism was crucial at that time, I still find it hard to accept that trial, it just frustrates me because it's injustice and using race to accuse anything is WRONG. The highlight was the trial and it disgusts me that people would even think that way.” This is because she gives an explanation were they would still accuse the person that is not the same race as them and knowing that they are wrong. As she also said i like that people have changed by the years to where every race gets along with each other no matter who they are.

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[Caleb Smith-Shaw]

I agree with Ali. It is frustrating that even though the jury knew that Tom was innocent, they still convicted him. I think that Atticus knew that Tom wouldn't make it in the Maycomb courthouse, but he stayed in the case to do what he believed was right. Although it seems as though Atticus might be cast away from Maycomb society when the trial is over, everything just goes back to normal and people act as if the trial had never happened.

[Gissel Glez]

Katherine, maybe Boo never really liked having contact with the other people, and instead decided to stay inside for the whole story with the blinds of the house always closed or it could also be that as you said something happened to him when he was younger that made him that way and stayed inside this whole time. We never actually knew about why he stayed inside but we just know that the rumors about him were false. Anyways i do agree with you in having more of Boo Radley in the whole book to make it more interesting or just to understand why he stayed inside the whole time?

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[Emma Preston]

I completely agree with you Caroline. I don't understand how she can contradict herself so obviously and not realize it. She's one of many people in this time period who was so horrified by what was happening in Europe, saying "That's terrible! Hitler is a maniac!" and then supporting blatant racism right there in the town they live in. It shows a huge logical fallacy on her part. Hitler wanted to slaughter all other races except for what he believed to be the one true, pure, Aryan race. If she disagrees with what Hitler is doing, then she should disagree with the racism she has been participating in as well. 

[Siqi Huang]

Meagan, that is really interesting how you symbolized that. I interpreted it as Jem's broken arm represented the broken community of love and caring in Maycomb. "Broken" to me sounds like a bad word, almost can't go back. So in this case, I saw it as the Maycomb's usual disease got so broken that it is beyond repair. Then later on, after the trial, Jem seemed to be in rejection and repairing by gearing up to try out for football. Even though he's skinny he was growing and trying. He attempted to fix what was broken in his heart and in this town. 

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[Emma Preston]

Jacob, I love the connection you made between Atticus and the word catalyst. He fits the definition precisely. If people like Atticus had not stood up for what they believed in like they did, progress would be slow. Every society needs people like Atticus. If there are not people suggesting seemingly outlandish ideas, then how will our society ever make changes for the better? The people of Maycomb think Atticus is worse than them for being a "nigger-lover", but it will be Atticus and not them who is on the right side of history.

On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Jacob Tanamachi <jet.tan...@gmail.com> wrote:

I would just like to express my complete and utmost respect for Atticus throughout the novel. It's ironic that his name sounds like the word "catalyst" because he is indeed the perfect example of catalysts during this controversial time in our nations history. He models those brave men and women who decided to take a stand against inhumane acts of hatred toward people of a difference background. Our nation would not be what it is today-a truly free nation for all people of all backgrounds- if not for those who stood out against discrimination. 

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[Siqi Huang]

For Alexandria, I like to use Atticus' stand in her shoes point-of-view. Maybe that was the way she thought because nothing worse has happened to her yet. Or maybe unlike Atticus, she wasn't able to stand from other people's point of view, so she gathered her picks near her and pushes all the destitute people far from her because she didn't want to associate with 'lower classes'. Despite all of this, I believe that she truly did honor and care for her family members because she did seem to accommodate to Atticus defending for Tom. She broke down when she felt all the burden on her brother and nevertheless supported him even though his defending of a black man seemed the least she would side with.

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[Angelica Pasaran]

Great questions! Like you said, Boo is like a child in an adults body. He also thinks likes one! The children don't sugar coat what's going on in town. They see it as it's meant to be seen, unlike the adults of maycomb who only notice what they want to see. Since there are rumors about how awful he is, Boo prefers to stay inside his house rather than be more mistreated.  --- On Wed, 5/29/13, Katharine Jovicich <kjov...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Katharine Jovicich]

Everyone's talking about the trial so I thought I would post again about the trial. Although I don't agree with the verdict, I do agree with how Atticus sums up how he didn't think the virdict was going to be not guilty but he wanted them to have a long decision prosses which is what happen for them to at least think for a long time what's expected vs. what's actually true and for them most part was proven to be true. I do wonder why Atticus didn't call Mr. Deas didn't defent Toms character on the stand because obviously he he had full confidence Tom didn't do anything he was accused of.

[Angelica Pasaran]

"-- I wanted you to see what real courage is,...It's when you know you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what"(Lee 149).  This is my favorite Atticusism because I agree with him 100%. Despite the outcome you should try your hardest at anything! Like Mrs.Dubose who was slowly dying 'was the bravest person' that Atticus had ever met because she went on with life every day even though she knew she was going to die. She could have taken the easy wasy out, but she suffered through the pain and that takes a lot of courage.   --- On Wed, 5/22/13, Alex Gandy <alexga...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Katharine Jovicich]

Kennedy-
I understand the frustration from the jury, but Atticus points out that he wanted them to think. To see that just maybe they thought about doing the right thing but society back them had a higher pressure on their decision. I think now a better point to take away is treat everyone equal even through a bitter time because we only live so long.
What frustrates me now is that Tom died in prison(not on acsodint- we can infer) and that was not happy because now there is nothing Aticus can do to decent Tom agenst the law/ supreme court. There is a little happy ending when Jem and Scout realize Boos not scary and Maycomb yet again has killed a mockingbird with rumors. They happy ending now I guess is that Jem and Scout may be able to spread the word to their generation so unjust treatment will no longer be in Maycomb!

On May 23, 2013 4:03 PM, "Kennedy Curley" <kennedy...@gmail.com> wrote:

I haven't read the ending yet, but so far it doesn't seem happy, which frustates me a little bit. I don't really like when a story doesn't have a happy ending, and Tom Robinson being voted guilty by the jury doesn't seem very happy to me. Throughout the story, I was hopeful that Atticus would be wrong about losing the case, but he turned out to be right, and it wasn't the type of mircaculous ending I usually see in books like this. It's like watching the Miami Heat in the playoffs. You're hopeful that they'll lose, but you know they're going to win it all. I'm still reading on to see if there's a happier ending, though.

On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Shaye Murray <murray...@gmail.com> wrote:

That's very interesting Alex! I didn't even make that connection at the end, though I should have. It all makes sense now. I had originally thought Mr. Underwood was just emphasizing the cruelty of Toms death by comparing it to killing innocent creatures. Which makes sense as mockingbirds are innocent animals, I just failed to make that connection. I guess he is calling mockingbirds "helpless" as it seems that's how he sees cripples.

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On May 23, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Alexandra Olazaran <alex.o...@gmail.com> wrote:

What are some places in the book that allude to our class definition of "it's a sin to kill a mockingbird" example: "Atticus says cheatin' a colored man is ten times worse than cheatin' a white man" or "Mr. Underwood simply figured it was a sin to kill cripples, be they standing, sitting, or escaping. He likened Tom's death to the senseless slaughter of songbirds by hunters and children,". The first excerpt was our definition of colored people being mockingbirds and how Atticus begrudgingly says that Jem and Scout can kill all the bluejays they want but not to kill mockingbirds. The second excerpt was our definition of the innocent being mockingbirds. Mr. Underwood even compares killing a cripple to killing a songbird, which is a mockingbird.

On May 22, 2013, at 3:00 AM, Alex Gandy <alexga...@gmail.com> wrote:

You have read the novel...what do you want to talk about??  A word?  A passage?  A frustration?  Something you loved?  Whatever!  Go!

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KATA,
That is why Mr. Deas stood up and gaved his opinion about Tom, its sad that the jury only thought his opinion was disturbing the peace. I do agree that its not fair that Tom was found guilty. But I liked Atticus speech of not everyone being equal because it makes you think that even thought we are not equal the court system should be the great equalizer, sadly this time race was more important.

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Subject: Re: Week 3 - You Pick!

Everyone's talking about the trial so I thought I would post again about
the trial. Although I don't agree with the verdict, I do agree with how
Atticus sums up how he didn't think the virdict was going to be not guilty
but he wanted them to have a long decision prosses which is what happen for
them to at least think for a long time what's expected vs. what's actually
true and for them most part was proven to be true. I do wonder why Atticus
didn't call Mr. Deas didn't defent Toms character on the stand because
obviously he he had full confidence Tom didn't do anything he was accused
of.

On May 22, 2013 3:00 AM, "Alex Gandy" <alexga...@gmail.com> wrote:

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>
> You have read the novel...what do you want to talk about?? A word? A
> passage? A frustration? Something you loved? Whatever! Go!
>

> *

[Katharine Jovicich]

GABY-
I know discussion is over.... oh well(: Mr. Deas's out burst can't be valid the jury was suppose to erase that from memory. I watch criminal shows and jurys aren't suppose to listen to anyone except witnesses, judge, defendent and prosicuter. That's why I think Atticus should have called him to the stand.

[Owen Lee]

When Jem broke his arm, I did not think it too big of a deal. I had not interpreted that part like Meagan or Siqi had and they both pose interesting points. Like Meagan explained, I can see how Jem's broken arm shows that something else is broken, such as the Racism going on. Siqi explained that Jem's broken arm represents Maycomb's usual disease which is a very good point as well. 

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