Fwd: [fcis-staff] Second Term Wishes 2010

[Karim Emara]

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Date: Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 2:30 PM
Subject: [fcis-staff] Second Term Wishes 2010
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Dear all,
Kol Sana we Ento Taybeen. The first term has gone and we prepare for the second one
This is the form link to edit your choices for the second term ISA.
Please Note that:
1- All fields are mandatory
2- Give us three """DIFFERENT""" courses you want to teach and at least one in your department otherwise we will assign to you one without calling you.
3-  Note the "DEADLINE" specified in the form so please for each one inform your colleagues to send their wishes fast as we are in a hurry.
4- We Welcome any notes will be written in the notes field.BUT please make them in "POINTS" and sort them based on priority

Here is the From link: (watch for any embedded spaces)
https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&formkey=dHp1UzVDNjhCQXV3c2RMdjFxeXJYVFE6MA

Thanks in advance

Mofeed Mohammed

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From: Karim Emara <karim...@gmail.com>
To: fcis-...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 6:26:51 AM
Subject: Re: [fcis-staff] Re: Veil (El Neqaab)

 

Al Salam Alikom W Rahmat ALLAH w Barakatoh

The End .. 

http://www.youm7. com/News. asp?NewsID= 179941

Al Salam Alikom W Rahmat ALLAH w Barakatoh

Best Regards,
Karim A. Emara
Teaching Assistant
Faculty of Computer and Information Sciences
Ain Shams University
mobile: +2 010 26 43 091

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Dina Khattab <dina.reda.khattab@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

Please read this

http://www.almasry- alyoum.com/ article2. aspx?ArticleID= 240436

 كشفت الدكتورة سلوى الغريب، أمين عام المجلس الأعلى للجامعات، عن عدم إصدار قرار من المجلس – التابع لوزارة التعليم العالى- بشأن منع المنتقبات من دخول لجان الامتحانات.

وقالت الغريب لـ«المصرى اليوم» إن هذه القرارات صدرت من رؤساء الجامعات، بحيث يطبق كل رئيس جامعة قراره كما يراه.

وأضافت أن رؤساء الجامعات قرروا منع النقاب فى الامتحانات، بعد اكتشافهم العديد من حالات الغش بسماعات «البلوتوث».

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It means that this decision was not the ministry's decision.. It's the University one.. So What??

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Smiling_Tears <smiling_tears@ gawab.com> wrote:

 

alsalam aleikom
I'm with Noha,Zahraa and Dina at the same time. Except for asking for a human rights organization to get involved, we need to solve our problems internally, no need to interfere ppl who r waiting for our problems.
We need to work in two tracks; 1st We have to complain to Uni, but as dina said this will take time, hopefully it changes something, but at least to let them know we're against this rule and who knows maybe the new chairman (wla esmo eh in english ra2ees elgam3a:D) will do something..
2nd we need a temporary solution to be applied in the exams next week isA, i have 2 suggestions, maybe we can move all montakebat f kol dof3a in a small room to have their exams with their nekab revealed and definitely the supervisor should be a girl of us, and when someone comes to check it out, he (only he) should see them revealed, by this way we applied the rule and the same time let the girls feel relaxed for their exams.
The other thing, if ro2asa2 el legan maredyosh yefadolna 2oda w dah expected:D, we can move them in the last row men kol lagna so that they can see all students but no students can see them,only supervisors.

What do u think, is this or that applicable?? or they should ask to apply the rule as is, 7afez mesh fahem?!:)
Hope that this issue get solved soon coz it's nonsense!

Sally Saad

--- In fcis-staff@yahoogro ups.com, Dina Khattab <dina.reda.khattab@ ...> wrote:
>
> SA Game3an
>
> well, I was following the discussion from the beginning and the reason I was
> not sharing is that I found no feasible idea to suggest for sorry,
>
> What I want to comment on is exactly that all of the proposals about sending
> to the Uni. or the high education ministry or protesting by any means
> against the decision will not come with any positive results.. Hey come in
> look around WE ARE IN EGYPT .. even if such action will turn out in any good
> it will take a lot of time and the exams are just the next week.
>
> And for the people asking for the human rights and so.. I don't know what to
> say but since when any rule issued in our whole country not only in our
> university care for any human rights!!!
>
> Sorry for Zahraa and others, but if we have to discuss this we need to find
> really feasible, applicable and fast solutions. THANKS to Esraa I think she
> got the most applicable idea, which is based on gathering all
> the Veiled girls from each grade in one room and a female TA or Doctor can
> join them. All we need to make this solution works out is to discuss the
> idea with each control head-director individually.
>
> Hope this would gain any success. We only need to wait to know who would be
> where and then agree with each other and then go to talk with
> the control head-director.
>

> 2010/1/10 Zahraa Said <zahraa.said@ ...>

>
> >
> >
> > Salamo Alaykom all,
> >
> > I agree with both Esraa and Noha, we should make any action against this
> > shaming behaviour.
> >
> > I hope we can send a formal complaint to uni and wezaret el ta3leem el
> > 3aly that explicitly support girls' right to wear veil coz simply its their
> > choice and their right to wear whatever they believe in. In addition they do
> > not cause any harm to others . That means this action is absolutely against
> > human rights.
> >
> > What about getting some human rights international organizations involved
> > in this issue as well?
> >
> > I believe we have to take a positive supporting action ,as a uni staff,
> > instead of just feeling sympathy of these girls.
> >
> >
> > Salam,
> > Zahraa
> >
> >

> > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Noha Aly <noha19832001@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> it is very humilating forcing girls to reveal their nekab to be able to
> >> enter the exam!!!
> >> but unfortunately, the faculty security men enter the lagna to check :s:s,
> >> i don't know what to say, but we TA girls can be aside those girls; be with
> >> them and support them during the exam time, really something shaming to have
> >> nothing to do, the only solution but also no one accept it now, is to check
> >> the grils in a separate room then leave them enter the lagna with their
> >> nekab, but this also is not ALLOWED :(.
> >>
> >> I don't know if we could request this in a formal document and send it to
> >> the university president ????
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Noha Aly Abd El Sabour
> >> *
> >> *Assistant
> >> Computer Systems Department
> >> Faculty of Computer and Information Sciences -
> >> Ain shams University*
> >>

> >> --- On *Sun, 1/3/10, Esraa Abd Elraouf <esraa_bs@...>* wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Esraa Abd Elraouf <esraa_bs@...>

> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [fcis-staff] Veil (El Neqaab)
> >> To: fcis-staff@yahoogro ups.com
> >> Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 8:44 AM
> >>
> >>

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> >>
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> >>
> >> --- On *Fri, 1/1/10, Karim Emara <karim.egypt@ gmail.com>* wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Karim Emara <karim.egypt@ gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [fcis-staff] Veil (El Neqaab)
> >> To: fcis-staff@yahoogro ups.com
> >>
> >> Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 5:57 PM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Al Salam Alikom W Rahmat ALLAH w Barakatoh
> >>
> >> I though in this solution and i think it is suggested too on management
> >> but they didnt agree
> >> I think we have to check with the head of each control to know how this
> >> will be handled
> >>
> >> Al Salam Alikom W Rahmat ALLAH w Barakatoh
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >> Karim A. Emara
> >> Teaching Assistant
> >> Faculty of Computer and Information Sciences
> >> Ain Shams University
> >> mobile: +2 010 26 43 091
> >>
> >>

> >> On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Ramy Medhat <ramymedhat@gmail. com<http://us.mc623. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=ramymedhat@ ...>

> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> How about a separate hall or room for monakabat, with a female TA? Is
> >>> that an acceptable compromise?
> >>>

> >>> On Jan 1, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Mahmoud Sakr <m_attia_sakr@ yahoo.com<http://us.mc623. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=m_attia_ sakr@...>>

> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I am shocked to hear that we have such a rule !
> >>> Thanks for opening the issue Karim.
> >>> I doubt that anyone (TAs, Doctors, Employees) in our FCIS will enforce
> >>> the application of such a rule. A good start maybe asking "ro2sa2 al legan",
> >>> how are they going to run the exams. There is no time for explicit protests.
> >>> We are, however, the guys who are responsible for the implementation, and we
> >>> can apply whatever we agree together to do.
> >>> I have another concern. The students who wear "Nekab" are, right now, put
> >>> into stress. They can not study for the exams as long as they have this
> >>> stress. If it ever happened that one of them is asked to take away her
> >>> "Nekab" in an exam, I doubt that she can concentrate in the exam at all. I
> >>> expect that they have fears for such a moment from now.
> >>> We can start a simple solution right now. The group responsible for every
> >>> "Lagna" (TAs, Doctors, Employees) must talk together and decide what they
> >>> are going to do. Then as soon as possible, find the female students who wear
> >>> "Nekab" in this "Lagna", contact them informally, and tell them what is
> >>> going to be done. Please try to help these students to concentrate on their
> >>> study as soon as possible.
> >>>
> >>> Call for volunteers: We need one active TA from every "Lagna" to
> >>> coordinate the issue in his "Lagna".
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------ --------- ---------

> >>> *From:* Karim Emara <karim.egypt@ ...>
> >>> *To:* fcis-staff@yahoogro ups.com

> >>> *Sent:* Fri, January 1, 2010 3:24:52 PM
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [fcis-staff] Veil (El Neqaab)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Al Salam Alikom W Rahmat ALLAH w Barakatoh
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for Salsabil and Abeer for fast reply
> >>>
> >>> But the issue is that the university's management dont concern the
> >>> identification as I said before. Your solution (and others solutions too)
> >>> are suggested to university but no way. Also, for ur info., there is a
> >>> court's judgment for veiled students allowing them to attend exams with the
> >>> veil and university didnt accept it and appeal the judgement.
> >>>
> >>> Now there r serious confirmations from university to faculties to apply
> >>> the decision as it is and avoiding any compromising solutions. So the
> >>> decision will be applied and veiled students will be prohibited to enter the
> >>> exams or take off the veil
> >>>
> >>> I really dont know what to say...
> >>>
> >>> Al Salam Alikom W Rahmat ALLAH w Barakatoh
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>> Karim A. Emara
> >>> Teaching Assistant
> >>> Faculty of Computer and Information Sciences
> >>> Ain Shams University
> >>> mobile: +2 010 26 43 091
> >>>
> >>>

> >>> On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Abeer Ghandar <bero_cs@hotmail. com<http://us.mc623. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=bero_cs@ ...>

> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> SA.. Thank you Dr. Karim for initiating this discussion..
> >>>>
> >>>> From my point of view, I see it is fair to "check" the identity of the
> >>>> person taking the exam. But it can be done in many ways WITHOUT hurting
> >>>> the beliefs and thoughts of the person being checked. For example, when we
> >>>> travel to Saudi Arabia, they check both men and women with these body
> >>>> scanning machine (to check for metal things).. If it's a lady passing, then
> >>>> a lady checks her.. If a man, then a man checks him.. And it's not to be
> >>>> negotiated!
> >>>>
> >>>> @Mabna el eza3a wel television in Cairo, vieled workers are checked too
> >>>> for identity... Either the security guy (a man unfortunately) checks their
> >>>> faces on their entranace, but they are allowed to put it on right after that
> >>>> during their working day and they are free to move inside the building with
> >>>> their viels on (They were already checked on the entrance!).
> >>>>
> >>>> What I suggest.. Allowing a TA (preferrably a female) to check the
> >>>> vieled girls identity on the entrance of the lagna.. And that's it!
> >>>>
> >>>> The vieled student can NOT switch or fool herself after entering the
> >>>> exam hall!
> >>>>
> >>>> I really wish to find a better solution than "PREVENTION" .. It's so
> >>>> unfair!
> >>>>
> >>>> SA..
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------ --------- ---------
> >>>> To: fcis-staff@yahoogro

> >>>> <http://us.mc623. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=fcis-staff@ yahoogroups. com>

> >>>> ups.com
> >>>> From: karim.egypt@

> >>>> <http://us.mc623. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=karim. egypt@...>

> >>>> gmail.com
> >>>> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:51:32 +0200
> >>>> Subject: [fcis-staff] Veil (El Neqaab)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Al Salam Alikom W Rahmat ALLAH w Barakatoh
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course, you all know about the decision that prohibits wearing the
> >>>> veil (El Neqaab) inside the exam places. Although this decision is very
> >>>> critical, there is no one talking here about her/his action during
> >>>> proctoring. What will you do if ordered to prohibit a student from entering
> >>>> the exam because she wears a veil. Or at least what is your action if you
> >>>> see that happens??!!!
> >>>>
> >>>> In fact, i am very confused and dont know what I should do...Could we
> >>>> share opinions at least to find a compromising and fair action?
> >>>> From my side, i will refuse any order for prohibiting veiled students
> >>>> but I dont know what I will do if I see this happens
> >>>>
> >>>> By the way, i m not concerning the veil from the religious point of
> >>>> view, it is not the place nor the time to discuss that. However, the
> >>>> decision conflicts with human's rights.
> >>>> I cannot ask someone to take off something s/he wears, this is a stupid
> >>>> action. Also the decision does not aim to identify persons, as there are
> >>>> several mechanisms to do so other than taking off the veil during the whole
> >>>> exam. So it is just for annoying those veiled persons which makes the issue
> >>>> confusing and misunderstood.
> >>>>
> >>>> waiting for your comments
> >>>>
> >>>> Al Salam Alikom W Rahmat ALLAH w Barakatoh
> >>>>
> >>>> Best Regards,
> >>>> Karim A. Emara
> >>>> Teaching Assistant
> >>>> Faculty of Computer and Information Sciences
> >>>> Ain Shams University
> >>>> mobile: +2 010 26 43 091 +2 010 26 43 091
> >>>>
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>
> --
> Dina Reda Khattab
> Teaching Assistant,
> Scientific Computing Department
> Faculty of Computer & Information Sciences,
> AinShams University,
> Abbassia, Cairo, Egypt.
> http://cis.shams. edu.eg/Dina. Khatab/indexEn. html
>

--
Dina Reda Khattab
Teaching Assistant,
Scientific Computing Department
Faculty of Computer & Information Sciences,
AinShams University,
Abbassia, Cairo, Egypt.
http://cis.shams. edu.eg/Dina. Khatab/indexEn. html

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