revision of eligibility for recruitment of officers
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saikat ghosh
Mar 23, 2012, 12:42:35 PM3/23/12
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The management is reviewing the eligibility criteria for officers.
Considering the urgency of the situation, I had personally met ED(P) and submitted a letter expressing the views of the Association particularly in respect of
1. need for abolishing quota of direct recruitment for all posts at DGM and above
2. need to reduce DR quota for AGM and have uniform quota for DR for both MT and AGM instead of 25% and 33.33% at present.
3. need for creating a separate quota for departmental examination based promotion/recruitment, at least upto the level of Mgr, AGM and DGM.
4. need for creating clear differentiation between the eligibility/experience criteria of AGM and MT.
5. need for considering combination of bar and working experience for legal cadre (presently they need to be fully in either part whereas someone who is having experience in part of both is ignored even though if combined the total experience is more).
ED(P) assured that the views would be given due consideration.
Saikat Ghosh
Considering the urgency of the situation, I had personally met ED(P) and submitted a letter expressing the views of the Association particularly in respect of
1. need for abolishing quota of direct recruitment for all posts at DGM and above
2. need to reduce DR quota for AGM and have uniform quota for DR for both MT and AGM instead of 25% and 33.33% at present.
3. need for creating a separate quota for departmental examination based promotion/recruitment, at least upto the level of Mgr, AGM and DGM.
4. need for creating clear differentiation between the eligibility/experience criteria of AGM and MT.
5. need for considering combination of bar and working experience for legal cadre (presently they need to be fully in either part whereas someone who is having experience in part of both is ignored even though if combined the total experience is more).
ED(P) assured that the views would be given due consideration.
Saikat Ghosh
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Mar 24, 2012, 1:35:10 AM3/24/12
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Sir, its a very important and wonderful step of officers association. Hope, FCI Management will give due consideration.
Angshuman Das
Manager(QC),FCI ZO NE
Angshuman Das
Manager(QC),FCI ZO NE
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Pranjan Rajmedhi
Mar 24, 2012, 6:26:06 AM3/24/12
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Respected Sir,
These recommended suggestions and steps initiated will ensure desired and eligible promotion on merit basis for the ones who actually work really hard. Direct recruitment was blocking our way for promotions for long long time. If mentioned criteria are accepted duly, we will be rest assured of fair play and gauranteed return of all the labor we put into our daily work life, and our career will be safe and secured too. Seems like though in Govt. job perks & packages are just like any other good MNC and work becomes fun and challenging too, which I believe will benefit FCI as a whole in accordance of performance and results.
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Pranjan Rajmedhi
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Pranjan Rajmedhi
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Birendra Kumar
Mar 24, 2012, 7:27:17 AM3/24/12
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What about the current recruitment, selection and appointment of AGM (QC)...... From the advertisement on 08.01.2011 for 41 seats to result of 11 candidates on 23.03.2012.... full of errors at every step...... from screening while issuing admit card to results of 11 candidates...... and to hide one error doing another one...... and to hide 2nd error doing 3rd one....... and continuing................... on the cost of deserving and actually eligible candidated............ appears nothing but a joke..................
- FCI is giving training on "food grain management" for one year to its frontline managers from India's only one own Food Security Institute- Four months class room and eight month field experience.............. And after all YOUR EXPERIENCE IS ZERO ON FOOD GRAIN PRESERVATION AS VIEWED BY FCI itself............................ SO.......................... GREAT.... the worthless training.
- M.Sc. with ICAR JRF illlegible.....experience relevant to FCI...... M. Sc.... with other fellowships..... same college....same dept..... not relevant to FCI............. What a rubbish decision by management sitting on chair.....
- Actual JRF/SRF worked on projects of ICAR...... NOT ALLOWED TO APPEAR FOR INTERVIEW AT IFS Gurgaon......................
- No vigilence clearance required before publishing the result of AGM (GENL) and others............. Required for the AGM (QC).....
- and many more..............
Saikat Ghosh
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Padam Singh
Mar 24, 2012, 12:04:38 PM3/24/12
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If you want the details regarding this then all the files pertaining to it should be handed over to the Vigilance division for independent probe beside twisting of rules even during direct recruitment and since 1998,in 2005 and even after that and still continuing.
If you want to bring out the facts in open then Officers Association Meeting should be called over in the FCI Headquarters immediately to discuss the issue threadbare and even the facts of missing of some important files in the headquarters pertaining to seniority and direct recruitment instead of raising these issues after getting the benefits which is of no significance as everyone knows who does while sitting in FCI Headquarters.
There is immediate need to do complete overhauling of FCI officers sitting in Headquarters,most importantly of 1998 batch officers of Personnel and Vigilance Division of Headquarters.
Padam Singh
saikat ghosh
Mar 24, 2012, 2:53:30 PM3/24/12
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The Association belongs to all Officers. Not to any particular group of Officers. An association should not take a stand that favours one group and discriminates against another. Neither is the job of the Association to take over the function of the vigilance division or act as a social police. The issues of anomalies, if any, in fixation of seniority or in the
direct recruitment process are presently being contested in various
courts of law and the judiciary should have the final say on those issues. If any wrong had indeed been committed, then they would be rectified in the judgement, as has already been done in case of fixation of seniority of 1999 MTs. The association is supposed to work for the common benefit of all and that is what it should try to achieve.
Similarly, it gives no one any benefit to keep holding to the past and keep stating the wrongs that have been committed in the past, while doing absolutely nothing in the present. We all know that way back in 1992 the IDA scales for FCI Officers were fixed one level lower than even CWC. And not a single person then made any protest. No one raised the issue even during 1997 revision. Possibly because the Officers in power at that time all belonged to CDA and never thought that they would be affected by such lower fitment. But making repeated references to that is not going to get any one any benefit. Unfortunately Time is a one way traffic. However much we may want to go back in time and attempt to change things, unfortunately the practical means of achieving that is not yet available.
We can only live in the present and try to to make as much of it as possible. In a limited way we can also attempt to predict the future and be prepared for it. So that is what we are trying to do. The management is changing the yardsticks, that decision is already taken. So we can either sit in a corner, look at the past, and do nothing, or make ourselves heard, record our demands officially and try to get as much of it accepted for the future as possible. I personally prefer the second approach, as that would benefit someone else in the future, even if not us directly.
The last one and half months has been one of major personal loss and extreme mental trauma for me. But still, after I got the news of the present move by the management, I had tried to immediately work out a proposal, based on whatever discussions we had on this group and at other forums, and submit it as otherwise the opportunity would have been lost for ever.
Also for the record, for the 1998/99 recruitment there was clear demarcation between AGM and MT, with Graduates being eligible for MT and only MBA eligible for AGM. (Similarly for Finance it was fresh MBA for MT and MBA+2 yrs exp for AGM). The problem occurred in between when the MT qualifications were raised without changing the AGM qualifications. As per records, these changes were made directly at the BoD level.
Note: the above are personal views only
Saikat Ghosh
Similarly, it gives no one any benefit to keep holding to the past and keep stating the wrongs that have been committed in the past, while doing absolutely nothing in the present. We all know that way back in 1992 the IDA scales for FCI Officers were fixed one level lower than even CWC. And not a single person then made any protest. No one raised the issue even during 1997 revision. Possibly because the Officers in power at that time all belonged to CDA and never thought that they would be affected by such lower fitment. But making repeated references to that is not going to get any one any benefit. Unfortunately Time is a one way traffic. However much we may want to go back in time and attempt to change things, unfortunately the practical means of achieving that is not yet available.
We can only live in the present and try to to make as much of it as possible. In a limited way we can also attempt to predict the future and be prepared for it. So that is what we are trying to do. The management is changing the yardsticks, that decision is already taken. So we can either sit in a corner, look at the past, and do nothing, or make ourselves heard, record our demands officially and try to get as much of it accepted for the future as possible. I personally prefer the second approach, as that would benefit someone else in the future, even if not us directly.
The last one and half months has been one of major personal loss and extreme mental trauma for me. But still, after I got the news of the present move by the management, I had tried to immediately work out a proposal, based on whatever discussions we had on this group and at other forums, and submit it as otherwise the opportunity would have been lost for ever.
Also for the record, for the 1998/99 recruitment there was clear demarcation between AGM and MT, with Graduates being eligible for MT and only MBA eligible for AGM. (Similarly for Finance it was fresh MBA for MT and MBA+2 yrs exp for AGM). The problem occurred in between when the MT qualifications were raised without changing the AGM qualifications. As per records, these changes were made directly at the BoD level.
Note: the above are personal views only
Saikat Ghosh
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Mar 24, 2012, 12:56:13 PM3/24/12
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Rightly expressed by Pranjan Rajmedhi and Birendra Kumar. Our recruitment policy needs to be revised urgently as already mentioned by Saikat Sir. As per present recruitment policy, one Manager(G) requires more qualification than one AGM(G)/Movt, as becoz Manager requires MBA with 6 Months compulsory induction training, after 6 months training only he/she will be appointed as Manager whereas in case of AGM(G)/Movt only requires MBA, he/she will be directly appointed as AGM. It might be the single/rare example among all the organisations. A very important step already taken by officers association by approaching FCI Management to stop DR recruitment in DGM or above level post. Rather, I feel, there should be only one entry level in officers level as exist in many of the top level PSUs in India.
Now We have to also think for the newly recruited AG-III and their future prospect as we are lucky to have such highly qualified (having qualification of MSc, MTech, BTech, BE,MBA,MA,MCA,Mass Com,MCom etc) talented guys. To give them fare prospect or retain them in FCI, only possible if a perfect Recruitment policy have been introduced and stop recruitment in higher post. Otherwise all the hard work done by FCI Management to recruit these talented guys will be worthless.
Angshuman Das
Manger(QC),ZO,NE
Now We have to also think for the newly recruited AG-III and their future prospect as we are lucky to have such highly qualified (having qualification of MSc, MTech, BTech, BE,MBA,MA,MCA,Mass Com,MCom etc) talented guys. To give them fare prospect or retain them in FCI, only possible if a perfect Recruitment policy have been introduced and stop recruitment in higher post. Otherwise all the hard work done by FCI Management to recruit these talented guys will be worthless.
Angshuman Das
Manger(QC),ZO,NE
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FCI Officers
Mar 25, 2012, 1:07:32 AM3/25/12
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Of course, time is a one way traffic but history remains there to teach us for future. Whatever is submitted to the Management clearly favors the people selected in 99. Why not it was said that there should not be any direct recruitment at the level of AGMs which favours the MTs recruited after 99.
Association should definitely work for the common benefit only but it should not be used to safeguard few benefiting due to selective use of implementation. What officers associated were doing when decision of changing yardsticks was taken ?
Hope common interest take center stage !
K C Misra
Association should definitely work for the common benefit only but it should not be used to safeguard few benefiting due to selective use of implementation. What officers associated were doing when decision of changing yardsticks was taken ?
Hope common interest take center stage !
K C Misra
Padam Singh
Mar 25, 2012, 5:35:25 AM3/25/12
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My contention in para 1 has been grossly misinterpreted.I have never mentioned that persons affected in the fixation of seniority/DR should not approach the court of law for justice.Everyone has the democratic right to get justice within framework of law,be in Government offices or the Courts of law and this fact cannot be denied.
Secondly,my suggestion for getting the issue examined by the Vigilance division will help in the speedier justice at court as it will bring out the facts which both the present management or court may not be aware of and it will also help the future generations as the very precious time and money of both the department and court will be saved and also saving officers of harassment.
For the examination of files even a committee of EDs(Vig.,Pers.,President Officers Assoc.) should be constituted to bring out the facts and guilty be punished .Moreover,responsibility be fixed for wrong fixation of seniority for the Management Trainees of 1999 batch as it caused them avoidable harassment and wastage of their precious time as instead of running to the courts they would have more effectively contributed to the FCI functioning.The names of the such officers who committed such kind of manipulations be brought forward and proper action be taken against then.
Fourthly,how some officers have managed their posting at headquarters in Category-1 for more than 10 years should also be taken up by officers association.
Secondly,my suggestion for getting the issue examined by the Vigilance division will help in the speedier justice at court as it will bring out the facts which both the present management or court may not be aware of and it will also help the future generations as the very precious time and money of both the department and court will be saved and also saving officers of harassment.
For the examination of files even a committee of EDs(Vig.,Pers.,President Officers Assoc.) should be constituted to bring out the facts and guilty be punished .Moreover,responsibility be fixed for wrong fixation of seniority for the Management Trainees of 1999 batch as it caused them avoidable harassment and wastage of their precious time as instead of running to the courts they would have more effectively contributed to the FCI functioning.The names of the such officers who committed such kind of manipulations be brought forward and proper action be taken against then.
Fourthly,how some officers have managed their posting at headquarters in Category-1 for more than 10 years should also be taken up by officers association.
Sunil Kumar
Mar 25, 2012, 7:52:28 AM3/25/12
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Padam sir has put forth very valid point that why officials involved in wrong fixation of seniority should not be reprimanded, if not punished. i want to add few thing for perusal of our officers at the helm of association:-
1) In FCI we still have obsolete nomeclature ''personnel' for division/deptt. dealing with different aspects of employees in the corporation instead of "HR" in other PSUs and i do not need to elaborate over it as FCI alrerady have army of MBAs to provide necessary frameworks for it. For central Govt there is full fledged DOPT for this purpose and FCI in its inherent Hybrid set up lack either of it.
2) There should be rationale for decision behind lateral entry at AGM and above.
3) Does FCI think over carreer path for personnel it has been hiring. If an officer is stagnant at a post for 10 years and above how much benefit will be accrued to an organization having an army of disgusted and demotivated officers.
4) If your nature of Job does not have any specialization what purpose is being served by lateral entry instead of promoting existing officers.
5) Did FCI ever study the performance of officers taken at MT level promoted to AGM level vis-a-vis rookie officers through DR at AGM level.
6) Going back to preparation of Integrated seniority list i did not found specific guideline in our FCI Staff Regulation and unfortunately there has been no policy even after court case verdict. Only reshuffling has been done in conformity with court guidelines for that particular batch. Does FCI want its officers to be roaming around courts rather than working for better future of the corporation.
7) Its a matter of great surprise that integrated seniority of Manager level is prepared for panel up to 2007 for all cadres except DEPOT/GENERAL. The integrated seniority list of depots/genl cadre is for panel up to 2004 only. Are our personnel devision at Hqrs is avoiding opening of one more Pandora Box ?
SUNIL KUMAR
Padam Singh
Mar 26, 2012, 12:09:24 AM3/26/12
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Dear Sunil,
The views expressed by you genuinely raises the concern for the officers who have chosen the FCI-India's most premier organisation as their career destination and who wants to make foodgrains procured/ made available to the needy and deprived sections of our society.Food Security Bill is also a step in that direction.
The Personnel and Vigilance division at all places in the hierarch of offices be it Regional/Zonal/Headquarters are the the main divisons on which the career path of the officers is decided by way of promotion and taking of disciplinary.
In the past 12 years things are not fair at all the levels in these two divisions.The officers have been punished without any reason and deprived of their legitimate dues by only a few officers of FCI and some who committed grave blunders have been spared and promoted to further their own interest and when they think they will be exposed they try to hide under the veil of officers on deputation who in fact can commit no wrong unless they have our support or they know our weakness.This includes both QC and GEN officers at the level of DGM now.
In the present circumstances,if any of the officer think any wrong has been done and they are unable to raise their voice due to any reason,they can send the details of the wrong committed or deprived of their genuine benefit at my email address padamsi...@gmail.com or can call at +91 9654353772.
The views expressed by you genuinely raises the concern for the officers who have chosen the FCI-India's most premier organisation as their career destination and who wants to make foodgrains procured/ made available to the needy and deprived sections of our society.Food Security Bill is also a step in that direction.
The Personnel and Vigilance division at all places in the hierarch of offices be it Regional/Zonal/Headquarters are the the main divisons on which the career path of the officers is decided by way of promotion and taking of disciplinary.
In the past 12 years things are not fair at all the levels in these two divisions.The officers have been punished without any reason and deprived of their legitimate dues by only a few officers of FCI and some who committed grave blunders have been spared and promoted to further their own interest and when they think they will be exposed they try to hide under the veil of officers on deputation who in fact can commit no wrong unless they have our support or they know our weakness.This includes both QC and GEN officers at the level of DGM now.
In the present circumstances,if any of the officer think any wrong has been done and they are unable to raise their voice due to any reason,they can send the details of the wrong committed or deprived of their genuine benefit at my email address padamsi...@gmail.com or can call at +91 9654353772.
FCI Distt. Office Kapurthala
Mar 26, 2012, 4:59:48 AM3/26/12
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In FCI entry of officers should be at one level i:e executive level (MTs)
there after give them promotions up to ED level. As done in other PSUs and Banks-----
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Date: Saturday, March 24, 2012 10:54 am
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Date: Saturday, March 24, 2012 10:54 am
Subject: revision of eligibility for recruitment of officers
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Padam Singh
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Dolly Devasia
Apr 3, 2014, 11:01:14 AM4/3/14
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Sir
Thank you for raising issue openly .With this I would like to add
There is saying to justify one lie or mistake one needs to tell thousand more lies. Some times leading to litigation .at what cost ?Subsidy amount .
Is it the time for social auditing /legal auditing ?
Are we immune from public accountability?
Dolly
DGM
R.O.U.P
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Padam Singh
Apr 4, 2014, 1:37:41 AM4/4/14
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Thanks for writing the genuine issues and concerns ..it is same everywhere..
Case of integration of seniority of AGM to DGM of 1999 batch...FCI legal division ,Headquarters /
lawyers engaged could not even stay order vacated..for months together...neither in Punjab and Haryana high Court
nor in Delhi High Court ..in 2007 -08 and 2012-13...
Is their capability doubtful or their integrity....???
..Is someone from Officers Association/ Legal Division ,FCI Headquarters respond to the queries raised.
Padam Singh
Shiv Srivastava
Apr 4, 2014, 7:50:44 AM4/4/14
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Sir, Thanks to this move.
saikat ghosh
Apr 5, 2014, 3:43:32 AM4/5/14
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The original mail was sent on 24/3/2012, more than 2 years ago. The initial mail sequence stopped on 26/3/2012. After than, much have happened in between, including change in the qualification requirements as well as restricting direct recruitment above AGM level.
Saikat Ghosh
General Manager(Finance & Accounts)
Food Corporation of India, East Zone
Kolkata : 700071
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General Manager(Finance & Accounts)
Food Corporation of India, East Zone
Kolkata : 700071
Mobile: 09312601636 / 09163331633
Off.: 033-22299330
Fax: 033-22293168
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