Reformation - Heretic Luther\Calvin.
Gio
the heresy albigensians, etc as if it was a correct "protest" or some
sort of "hey who says the interpretation is right". I'm getting alot
of misinterpreting of Scripture and the view that the Catholic Church
is wrong in the scripture from the fellow students. I'm worried that
their lack of knowledge of Church Doctrine will enforce the Anti
Catholicism stereotype.
One said that the Apostles were married so the Priests should get
married. I rebutted with they were married before they knew Christ and
they were celibate but I don't know if it will work.
Another worried statement was when one said "Extreme religious
interpretation" The regular hey who says this is right or wrong
\relativism. I never covered the heavy stuff during CCD or when I was
in Catholic HS but I was kicked out but thats a whole nother story.
much of the learning was from you and on my own.
Father Joe
distinction in the Church, the current discipline of celibacy for
priests goes back to the 12th century.
As for the Albigensians, certain Protestant groups, usually those
engaged in polemics against Catholicism, will redefine them in the
same way as they like to see themelves..."poor fundamentalist
Christians victimized for Bible purity against the tyrannical and
greedy Catholics." However, the truth is that the Albigensians were
not of the same stripe as later Protestants and they were not harmless
either.
Doctrinally, they were not even Christian in the true sense, with
roots in Gnosticism, and the view that physical creation or matter was
evil and that the spiritual was what mattered. The resurrection of
the body was denied. They rejected the Catholic priesthood and had
their own bizarre rituals instead of the traditional sacraments.
They even practiced what was called the sacrament of the
"consolamentum" which was ritual suicide. The Gospel of John was
their Holy Book but they viewed Jesus as a phantom and denied his
humanity. The transmigration of souls was also a tenet of theirs.
The entire Old Testament was rejected, hardly the action of real Bible
Christians. The Cathari refused to take oaths and removed themselves
from the normal workings of society, making themselves a threat to the
countries they inhabited. It is peculiar that this question also
concerns married apostles or priests, since this heretical group
condemned sexual intercourse that could result in offspring (enslaving
others to matter). They engaged in other practices, however.
It could be said that this was not actually a Christian heresy at all,
given that they were not really Christian. Their immorality and
(rejection of marriage), refusal to take oaths and to participate in
the normal social exchange of society posed a threat, not simply to
the Church, but to the very survival of the human species.
Your professor liked these monsters? Hum, maybe it was the
reincarnation element that so many New Agers share these days? But I
fail to see how the rest of it would be attractive.
Peace,
Father Joe
Gio
Christian. He doesn't care that The Author of the history book calls
Christianity Trinitarian rather than One God, it doesn't even mention
the heresies. It says they were just "positive interpretations of
scripture". I got into a scriptural argument with a student who said
they made up the sacraments. annointing of the sick, holy orders,
marriage. It's just a society thats filled with false hoods and like
Padre Pio says "God has put their intellect into darkness"
Father Joe
the doctrine of the Trinity does distinguish Christianity from Judaism
and Islam.
I cannot see how heresies might be "positive interpretations" of
Scripture when some of these groups rejected the Old Testament and
omitted or revised parts of the New Testament to their liking.
The sacraments were instituted by Christ and there is ample evidence
that these "divine mysteries" were celebrated in the early Church.
These mysteries were later called sacraments and their number was
eventually defined as seven, although other mysteries remained as
sacramentals.
Gio
monotheistic.. thats what I think.
Father Joe
or divine nature but three divine Persons: God the Father, God the
Son and God the Holy Spirit. This is Catholic dogma and must be
believed by Catholics.
I know you mean well, but it is not blasphemy.
Some religions like the Mormons believe in three gods, but this is not
the Catholic or Christian Trinity.
Some religions like the Unitarians believe in one god, but deny the
Trinity; this is not Catholic or Christian, either.
It is all in the Catechism of the Catholic Church as well as in the
old Baltimore Catechism for children.
Catholicism views God as both Trinitarian and in a Monotheistic way.
That represents true or orthodox Christianity. This view is held by
Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans, etc.
Gio
can't distingush. I didn't mean to deny the trinity but I meant that
the Book tried to mean Christians believe in Three Seperate and
Different Gods..
Father Joe
What is the title of the book thats says we believe in three gods?
Gio
They even said casting out demons was "magic" done by Priests.
Father Joe
expensive book. I was going to review the text. Unless you can quote
it, I will wait for a sale.
Gio
secular books or media that tend to talk about religious topics.