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Elisa Rathrock

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Almost three decades after his handsome but rather sedate resistance story Soldier of Orange, shockmeister Paul Verhoeven revisited WWII for a tale of Jewish subterfuge and erotic espionage, filling the screen with all the sex, death and pube-dyeing the earlier film sadly lacked. But beneath all the nudity and bloodshed is an intelligent, original study of occupation and revenge: the final shot, subtly drawing parallels between the occupation of Holland and the birth of Israel, is courageous and brilliant.

Cast: Aldo Fabrizi, Anna Magnani, Marcello Pagliero

The wounds of European conflict and Nazi occupation were still tender in Rome in late 1944, which chimed with the documentary instincts of Italian filmmaker Roberto Rossellini. Rome, Open City drew on real issues and situations during the years of conflict. Needless to say, the brutality of the occupying regime is presented with a shocking frankness, not only its indifference to class, age, gender and religion, but its total lack of logical purpose. Rossellini shot the film using leftover celluloid from other movies, which not only lent it a gritty newsreel aesthetic, but a real sense of urgency and anguish. Three years later he would tell a similar story from a different perspective in Germany, Year Zero.

Without a doubt the Wolfenstein series has been about action-adventure rather than historical drama or "horrors of war" documentary, and I've been a fan of WWII movies in the same vein since I was a kid. I wanted to post recommendations for people on Doomworld who are into Wolf3D but haven't seen a lot of older WWII flicks that were straight adventure films with no pretentious attempts at being arty or meaningful, which the game series sorta pays tribute to in a lot of ways.

My main recommendation is Where Eagles Dare, which makes me think of Wolf3D more than any of the others. The heroes are on the sort of mission BJ would have been sent on regularly, culminating in a lot of sneakin' and shootin' in the Schloss Adler, a big German castle perched atop a mountain that can only be accessed by helicopter or cable car. The espionage elements are intense, and the action is nonstop by the second half. Has a few cool German villains too.

Where Eagles Dare was amazing. Your thread inspired me to finally look up that war movie Pink watched in The Wall which is called The Dam Busters and which I had learned only a week ago was the inspiration for the first Death Star battle. These films have always held a special place in my heart though, having been raised by veterans and having a lot of respect for the soldiers and their sacrifices. The fact that the old war films were very much pro-American propaganda is something I really miss in cinema in general; I understand my country isn't perfect, but I love it and the freedoms it represents, and I'd like to see a return to that kind of admiration for it in the media.

Random thought: Saving Private Ryan and the napalm scene in Forrest Gump were the reasons I was too afraid/chickenshit to join the military (even after knowing my intelligence would have landed me a non-infantry posistion). It's a decision I regret to this day, and I'm far too old to join now. Still, SPR was absolutely amazing both to my 11 year old self and even today. Scary, scary shit; much respect to all the troops that fought in that horror and kudos to Spielberg for doing such an excellent job.

Some of my favorite WW2 movies are Saving Private Ryan, Enemy at the Gates (if you can stand Russian characters with British accents), and The Great Escape. All three of those have areas and scenes that pretty much directly and indirectly inspired areas of the first Call of Duty game and probably Call of Duty 2 as well. You know you're a nerd when you can identify them and also name the area of the game where they are based.

Doom usually gets brought up as being a hodge podge of difference influences and hobbies the team had while making the game but i think, the same approach could be made with the Wolfenstein games but the well of what they took influences from is smaller and less cross refferential. Private Ryan and Inglorious Bastards are good touch points when talking about the last 2 games. But i feel more so from 3D up to about RTCW as much as they played fast and loose with what the SS Paranomal devision really looked into with films they were specifically working from that same kind of space as stuff from the (40s-70s) ,good tough all american men going out their to protect freedoms etc(even if the US"s place in that story is slightly more dubious than what fiction will tell you) shoot outs in tight corridors,tense pacing and the like.

I've seen Saving Private Ryan a couple times, great movie that reflects the horrors of WWII, though my favorite WWII movie is Der Untergang aka Downfall which is known for having lots of parodies, with a honorable mention to Inglorious Basterds, for the humor as well that scene of Hitler slamming the desk and ranting.

Both of these are based on books by Alistair MacLean, the same author who wrote Where Eagles Dare. He specialized in thrillers, some of which were set in WWII, but most were set in the Cold War period.

We've watched a lot of WWII movies, but there weren't too many related movies I felt we could watch at that age. So, though these are a few we enjoyed at younger ages, I can't really remember at what age we watched them. It may not have been til high school.

Grave of the Fireflies is ROUGH, IMO -- the story is an extended flashback, told by the spirits of 2 Japanese children who died of starvation in the final months of WW2, so just a heads up for sensitive viewers

Sophie Scholl is a fabulous, powerful film, but not for under 16, IMO -- it is the biography of a German teen, who, with her older brother and a friend of his, distributed pamphlets in Germany protesting the Eastern Front war against Russia; she was imprisoned, interrogated (no torture), tried, and at the end of the movie, you hear (not see) all 3 being guillotined -- most of the film is discussion/debate between Sophie and her interrogator, on the political issue, but primarily revealing her character and faith, so, more about worldview/politics/theology and not much that is directly about WW2

There are some light/humorous films with WW2 as a backdrop such as McHale's Navy, Father Goose and Operation Petticoat, as well as the musical South Pacific, set during WW2, but I'm guessing you're looking for films that really focus on the events and places of WW2, not films with that as the background setting. ;)

A British TV series that is appropriate for age 14+ (there are some mature scenes and topics) is Foyle's War -- focus is the British home front and includes topics such as pacifism, code-breakers, looting at bomb clean-up sites, the black market, rationing, evacuation of children out of London to the countryside, British citizens married to Germans, dam-busters, women in the war work force, etc.

There is a rather good movie about Norman Bethune, played by Donald Sutherland - Bethune, The Making of a Hero. It's a slightly different look than most English language movies give on what went on in China.

I second, third, whatever Life is Beautiful. It is much better in Italian and so lovely (even though we got looks at the movie theater when we laughed--I think most were missing the point of Roberto Benigni.

Not movies - but we've been watching American Experience episodes about WWII. So far- FDR, Jesse Owens, J Robert Oppenheimer, America and the Holocaust, The bombing of Germany. This next week we'll watch The battle of the bulge and Victory in the pacific. Also crash course us history has two segments on WWII and cc world history has one.

The Scarlet & The Black is one we liked that I haven't seen mentioned yet. It's also a good one for more sensitive viewers as there's very little gore - practically none. Killings are implied, of course, but the gore is left out.

The other night while surfing through my antenna channels I found one of my favorite movies of all time. In one of those rare moments of quiet, I was actually able to watch it all the way through. With our current busy schedule at work and home, it is not often that I get the opportunity to sit down and watch an entire movie. However, working hard to get customers high quality, low cost TV and internet means that occasionally watching TV is part of my job. ?

When I sit down to watch, I always search the antenna channels first. Why? Because I sometimes like the unexpected. I have been watching TV for 36 of my 46 years. Prior to the age of ten I had barely seen TV. We lived in the far north of Scotland on a small farm with limited electricity and no TV service. The first real moving picture entertainment I saw was Raiders of the Lost Arc when I came back to the United States. I will admit that it scared me, especially at the end.

Since then, I have seen a lot of movies. I worked in a VHS rental store for four years, long before streaming was even an idea. I watched everything you can imagine and then some. But I did not just watch the modern movies. My father, a Scotsman, who grew up listening to Nazi bombs turned me onto movies about World War II. He taught me the history of WW 2 with books, personal stories and movies. I love these movies, even the Ronald Reagan Army Training Films. Some of the antenna channels feature these kind of movies and they are worth watching.

1. Humphrey Bogart - Screen legend & undeniable Hollywood heavyweight thanks to his history-defining roles in classic movies such as Casablanca, The African Queen, The Caine Mutiny and The Maltese Falcon, Bogart came to embody the Hollywood ideal of tough guy with a heart. With a career spanning almost three decades, Bogie starred in over 70 movies and in 1999, the American Film Institute named Bogart the greatest male star in the history of American cinema.

Tierney becomes uncomfortable with her attraction to Bogie. When O'Shea meets his Protestant counterpart, he confesses he is Jim Carmody, an American pilot who had flown supplies over The Hump during WWII. He crashed during the war and was rescued by a local warlord, General Mieh Yang (played by what would surely have ended his career today, Lee J. Cobb.), becoming his trusted second-in-command and his prisoner.

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