John
At 9:34 PM -0800 1/9/11, Will Fitzgerald wrote:
>I finally found an example on the web of "the drone," done in Hoboken
>style. It is "segment 3" on this page:
>
><http://www.valdosta.edu/library/find/arch/folklife/findingaid/sacredharp.html>http://www.valdosta.edu/library/find/arch/folklife/findingaid/sacredharp.html
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john garst ga...@chem.uga.edu
| Will, on a related subject, the Mississippi singers do a song they call "The Drone". If not mistaken in their case, it is always one specific song "I'm Traveling to the Grave" and there are places in the song where some are holding out their notes while others sing the tenor. Mark Davis, Warren Steel and others can give you much more information than I if you're interested. I don't think there are any examples of this on the internet. Robert Vaughn Mount Enterprise, TX http://baptistsearch.blogspot.com/ Ask for the old paths, where is the good way. http://mtcarmelbaptist.blogspot.com/ For ask now of the days that are past... http://oldredland.blogspot.com/ Give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land. --- On Sun, 1/9/11, Will Fitzgerald <will.fi...@gmail.com> wrote: |
"The Drone" as we sang it in Mississippi is displayed as the last song
of the 2010 edition of THE CHRISTIAN HARMONY. It has been the
traditional closing song of the Newton County Christian Harmony
Convention for a long time. When I was young, my uncle, M. W.
Hollingsworth, was president of the convention and he did not know that
the music had been written and published; he said he learned it as a
child. His father (W. L. Hollingsworth, was also a past president of
the convention. My uncle was born in 1894 and the convention was
started in 1875, so we don't know exactly how long it has been used, but
always as the closing song. More recently (like the past 40 or 50
years) it is also sometimes (but not always) used to close the
Mississippi State Sacred Harp Convention.
John Hollingsworth
No, but it's the last song in the new 2010 edition of
Christian Harmony. It's always sung from memory, but this
version is transcribed, I think by Hugh Bill McGuire. The
published tune is in Harp of Columbia, and, more relevantly,
in the Southern Minstrel (1849), a four-note tunebook by
Lazarus J. Jones of Jasper County, Mississippi.
The other story I've heard about this song, but can't
verify, is that this version was formerly sung in a funeral
procession. As the mourners and pallbearers accompanied
the bier to the grave site, they sang "We're traveling to
the grave" and kept time by beating on the coffin with
their hands. Some people consequently called it "The
Drum" instead of "The Drone."
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Warren Steel mu...@olemiss.edu
http://www.mcsr.olemiss.edu/~mudws/
http://www.youtube.com/mudws
It's the same tune and basically the same words, but the Social Harp version
(THE TRAVELLER, #37) doesn't have the drone. It's identified as a "Set Piece"
and attributed to "John W. McCurry, & Wm. C. Davis, 1853."
Wade Kotter
South Ogden, UT
Robert Vaughn
Mount Enterprise, TX
http://baptistsearch.blogspot.com/
Ask for the old paths, where is the good way.
http://mtcarmelbaptist.blogspot.com/
For ask now of the days that are past...
http://oldredland.blogspot.com/
Give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land.
--- On Mon, 1/10/11, Warren Steel <mu...@olemiss.edu> wrote:
> From: Warren Steel <mu...@olemiss.edu>
> Subject: Re: [fasola-discussions] "The Drone"
John
At 3:52 AM -0500 1/19/11, Gabriel Kastelle wrote:
>The attachments
>
>from George Hendrickson's
>
>UNION HARMONY
>of 1848
>
>pp. 82-3
>
>TRANSPORT 11's & 10's.
>
>:-)
>
>double drone!
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john garst ga...@chem.uga.edu
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/walker/harmony/files/gif/Transport/710.html
Given the inclusion of Davisson in the attribution, I think it's likely that
there are earlier printings of the tune. Note that Walker identifies the meter
as "12, 11", while hymnary.com identifies it as "11,10."
Wade Kotter
South Ogden, UT
>
>From: Gabriel Kastelle <gabrie...@gmail.com>
>To: trox...@elon.edu
>Cc: Fasola Discussions <fasola-di...@googlegroups.com>
>Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 1:48:35 AM
>Subject: Re: [fasola-discussions] Re: "The Drone"
>
Hi folks, I haven't posted to this group in ages. I'm mainly a lurker anyways and some of the discussions I read about here are so deep within historical minutiae that I just get lost!!! AnyhooI need some help.
I used to have this software that actually sang the shapes. I downloaded it from somewhere. Then my computer died but not b4 my files got all corrupted and HD died.
So I'm looking for the software and the tune library that came with it. Probably downloaded it about 2 years ago if that helps.
Can anyone respond with a set of links?
Thanks,
Tony
http://www.shapenote.net/berkley/0690.JPG
It first appeared in Wyeth's "Repository, Part Second" and is found in a number
of other books, including "New Canaan" from the Hesperian Harp.
Now it's time to teach my class; it's not good for the instructor to be late :-)
Wade Kotter
South Ogden, UT
You're right that the tune appears in earlier collections.
The first printing is Wyeth's Repository Part 2d (1813), where
it's unattributed and there are six verses of text. It also
appears in Supplement to the Kentucky Harmony (1820) where it's
attributed to White & Davisson--White was evidently Davisson's
way of spelling "Wyeth." There are irregularities in the poetic
meter, but most verses are what I like to call ZYZY.ZZZY or
12 11 12 11 . 12 12 12 11. Hymnary.com is run by respectable
people, but they're clearly mistaken in this case.
--
Warren Steel mu...@olemiss.edu
Department of Music University of Mississippi
http://www.mcsr.olemiss.edu/~mudws/
--
TRANSPORT/HEAVENLY CANAAN/WARNER tune family:
Tune Variant 1 - 5u13(2)111d5u111d6(5)3 35535556(7)u121
THE HEAVENLY CANAAN.
Attribution: Base by D. F.
Source: Deerin Farrer, The Christian Melodist; containing a selection of tunes in the different metres; together with a great variety of sacred songs and hymns, of approved excellence (Utica: William Williams, 1828).
Compiler Location: Tully Valley, Onandaga County, New York.
Notation: Standard
Key: C major
Parts: 2
Tune Variant 2 - 5u1321d656(u1)11d6(5)3 55531356u111
WARNER
Attribution: Arr. by J. C. Warner
Source: W. H. Diddle, West Virginia Gems, songs for the revival and social prayer meeting (Pennsboro, W. Va.: Parkersburg Pub. Society, U. B. C., 1870).
Compiler Location: Pennsboro', West Virginia
Notation: 7S
Key: B-flat major
Parts: 3
Tune Variant 3 - 5u1321d656u11d6(5)3 35531356u111
THE TRANSPORT
Source: John Wyeth, Wyeth’s Repository of Sacred Music. Part second. Original and selected from the most eminent and approved authors in that science. For the use of Christian churches, singing-schools & private societies. Together with a plain and concise introduction to the grounds of music, and rules for learners (Harrisburgh, Pa: John Wyeth, 1813)
Compiler Location: Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 2
THE TRANSPORT
Source: James M. Boyd, The Virginia Sacred Musical Repository, being a complete collection of psalm and hymn tunes, original and carefully selected from the most celebrated modern authors, both European and American, and designed for the use of different religious denominations, musical societies and schools in the United States (Winchester, Va: J. Foster, 1818).
Compiler Location: Winchester, Virginia
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 2
TRANSPORT
Attribution: White and Davisson
Source: Davisson, Ananias, A Supplement To The Kentucky Harmony (Harrisonburg, Va: Printed and sold by the Author, 1820).
Compiler Location: Harrisonburg, Virginia
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
TRANSPORT
Attribution: White and Davisson
Source: Davisson, Ananias, A Supplement To The Kentucky Harmony, ed. 2 (Harrisonburg, Va: Printed and sold by the Author, 1820).
Compiler Location: Harrisonburg, Virginia
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
THE TRANSPORT
Source: John Wyeth, Wyeth’s Repository of Sacred Music. Part second. Original and selected from the most eminent and approved authors in that science. For the use of Christian churches, singing-schools & private societies. Together with a plain and concise introduction to the grounds of music, and rules for learners, ed. 2 (Harrisburgh, Pa: John Wyeth, 1820).
Compiler Location: Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 2
TRANSPORT
Attribution: White & Davisson
Source: Ananias Davisson, Supplement to the Kentucky Harmony, ed. 3 (Harrisonburg, Va: Printed and sold by the Author, 1825)
Compiler Location: Harrisonburg, Virginia
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
TRANSPORT
Attribution: White and Davisson
Source: William Moore, Columbian Harmony, or A Choice Collection of Psalm Tunes, Hymns, and Anthems, in Three Parts; the first containing all the plain and easy tunes commonly used in time of divine service; the second, the more elegant pieces suitable for singing societies; and lastly the anthems; selected from the most eminent authors in America (Cincinnati: Morgan, Lodge, and Fisher, 1825).
Compiler Location: Wilson County, Tennessee
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
ERIN GO-BRAGH
Source: Joseph Anthony, Jr., The Western Minstrel, or Ohio Melodist; containing a choice collection of moral, patriotic and sentimental songs, with the appropriate music for each piece in patent notes, carefully selected and affixed thereto; together with instructions for learners. Being well calculated to give a correct knowledge of vocal music: and also designed to assist learners of the instrumental branch of that science (Cincinnati: E. H. Flint, printed at the Cincinnati Journal Office, 1831).
Compiler Location: Clinton County, Ohio
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 2
TRANSPORT
Source: William R. Rhinehart, The American, or Union Harmonist: or, a Choice Collection of Psalm Tunes, Hymns and Anthems, selected from the most approved authors, and well adapted to all Christian churches, singing-schools, and private families (Chambersburg, PA: Henry Ruby, 1831).
Compiler Location: Hagerstown, Maryland
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
TRANSPORT
Attribution: White and Davison
Source: William Walker, The Southern Harmony, And Musical Companion: containing a choice collection of tunes, hymns, psalms, odes, and anthems: selected from the most eminent authors in the United States: together with nearly one hundred new tunes, which have never before been published; suited to most of the metres contained in Watts’s Hymns And Psalms, Mercer’s Cluster, Dossey’s Choice, Dover Selection, Methodist Hymn Book, and Baptist Harmony; and well adapted to Christian churches of every denomination, singing schools, And private societies: Also, an easy introduction to the grounds of music, the rudiments of music, and plain rules for beginners (New Haven, Ct: Nathan Whiting for the Author, 1835).
Compiler Location: Spartanburg, South Carolina
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
TRANSPORT
Attribution: White and Davison
Source: William Walker, The Southern Harmony, And Musical Companion: containing a choice collection of tunes, hymns, psalms, odes, and anthems: selected from the most eminent authors in the United States: together with nearly one hundred new tunes, which have never before been published; suited to most of the metres contained in Watts’s Hymns And Psalms, Mercer’s Cluster, Dossey’s Choice, Dover Selection, Methodist Hymn Book, and Baptist Harmony; and well adapted to Christian churches of every denomination, singing schools, And private societies: Also, an easy introduction to the grounds of music, the rudiments of music, and plain rules for beginners, ster. ed. (Spartanburg, S.C.: for the Author, printed by T. K. and P. G. Collins, stereotyped by L. Johnson, Philadelphia, 1838).
Compiler Location: Spartanburg, South Carolina
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
TRANSPORT
Source: John B. Jackson, The Knoxville Harmony of Music Made Easy, which is an interesting selection of Hymns And Psalms, usually sung in churches: selected from the best authors in general use. Also, a variety of anthems; to which is added, a number of original tunes; being entirely new, and well adapted for the use of schools and churches, [ed. 2] (Pumpkintown, Tn: D. and M. Shields and Co., and John B. Jackson, Proprietors: Johnson and Edwards, printers, 1840).
Compiler Location: Pumpkintown, Tennessee
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 4
TRANSPORT
Attribution: White and Davison
Source: William Walker, The Southern Harmony, And Musical Companion: containing a choice collection of tunes, hymns, psalms, odes, and anthems: selected from the most eminent authors in the United States: together with nearly one hundred new tunes, which have never before been published; suited to most of the metres contained in Watts’s Hymns And Psalms, Mercer’s Cluster, Dossey’s Choice, Dover Selection, Methodist Hymn Book, and Baptist Harmony; and well adapted to Christian churches of every denomination, singing schools, And private societies: Also, an easy introduction to the grounds of music, the rudiments of music, and plain rules for beginners, new ed., imp. and enl. (Philadelphia: Cowperthwait, 1847).
Compiler Location: Spartanburg, South Carolina
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
TRANSPORT
Source: George Hendrickson, The Union Harmony, or, A Choice Collection of Psalm Tunes, Hymns, and Anthems, on a New System of Musical Notation, in three parts. Selected from the most eminent authors, and well adapted to Christian churches, singing schools, and private societies (Mountain Valley, Va: Joseph Funk and Sons, 1848).
Compiler Location: Midway, Craig County, Virginia
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
NEW CANAAN
Attribution: Irish Air
Source: William Hauser, Hesperian Harp: a collection of psalm and hymn tunes, odes and anthems; and Sunday-school, infant, revival, temperance, patriotic, and moral pieces: containing also a number of Scotch, German, Irish, and other fine compositions. Much new music never before published, and an exposition of the principles of music and of musical composition (Philadelphia: for the Author, 1848).
Compiler Location: Wadley, Georgia
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
TRANSPORT
Attribution: White & Davisson
Source: Lazarus J. Jones, Southern Minstrel: a collection of psalm and hymn tunes, odes, and anthems: in three parts, selected from eminent authors, together with a number of new tunes, never before published, suited to nearly every metre, and well adapted to churches of every denomination, singing schools, and private societies, with plain rules for learners (Philadelphia: Grigg, Elliot and Co., 1849).
Compiler Location: Jasper County, Mississippi
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
TRANSPORT
Source: George Hendrickson, The Union Harmony, or, A Choice Collection of Psalm Tunes, Hymns, and Anthems, on a New System of Musical Notation, in three parts. Selected from the most eminent authors, and well adapted to Christian churches, singing schools, and private societies, ed. 2 (Mountain Valley, Va: Joseph Funk and Sons, 1850).
Compiler Location: Midway, Craig County, Virginia
Notation: 7S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
TRANSPORT
Attribution: White and Davison
Source: William Walker, The Southern Harmony, And Musical Companion: containing a choice collection of tunes, hymns, psalms, odes, and anthems: selected from the most eminent authors in the United States: together with nearly one hundred new tunes, which have never before been published; suited to most of the metres contained in Watts’s Hymns And Psalms, Mercer’s Cluster, Dossey’s Choice, Dover Selection, Methodist Hymn Book, and Baptist Harmony; and well adapted to Christian churches of every denomination, singing schools, and private societies: also, an easy introduction to the grounds of music, the rudiments of music, and plain rules for beginners, new ed., rev. and imp. (Philadelphia: E.W. Miller, 1854).
Compiler Location: Spartanburg, South Carolina
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
IRISH FAVORITE
Source: Lindsey Watson, The Singer's Choice: a collection of tunes, hymns and anthems, original and selected, designed for church and school purposes (Louisville: J.P. Morton and Co., 1854).
Compiler Location: Hart County, Kentucky
Notation: Numeral (Harrison)
Key: C major
Parts: 3
123b Cross of Christ.
The melody of this song is note for note the same as the tune used for the English whaling ballad Wings of a Goney. The first verse of the ballad reads as follows:
"Oh if I had the wings of a goney, boys,
I would spread them and fly home.
I would leave old Greenland's icy grounds
for of Right Whales there are none.
And the weather's rough and the winds do blow
And there's little comfort here.
Oh I'd rather be snug in a Deptford Pub
A-drinking of strong beer!"
So here's my question/challenge to everyone out there.
How did L.P. Breedlove, a landlocked plantation owner from Georgia, get a hold of this tune?
Was it originally:
a) a written hymn tune from england, that came over to the USA as a hymn tune and secular sources took it?
b) an all purpose (ballad/fiddle) secular tune that came over with the oral tradition and entered the camp meetings later on?
Also: If it is originally a written hymn tune, are there other examples of it in the shapenote song books that proceeded the SH?
This is your challenge should you chose to accept it!
in music,
Ben Bath
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Subject: Re: [fasola-discussions] Re: "The Drone"
Nikos Pappas, Lxtgn
TRANSPORT/HEAVENLY CANAAN/WARNER tune family:
THE HEAVENLY CANAAN .
Notation: Standard
Key: C major
Parts: 2
WARNER
Notation: 7S
Key: B-flat major
Parts: 3
THE TRANSPORT
Compiler Location: Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 2
THE TRANSPORT
Compiler Location: Winchester, Virginia
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 2
TRANSPORT
Attribution: White and Davisson
Compiler Location: Harrisonburg, Virginia
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
TRANSPORT
Attribution: White and Davisson
Source: Davisson, Ananias, A Supplement To The Kentucky Harmony , ed. 2 (Harrisonburg, Va: Printed and sold by the Author, 1820).
Compiler Location: Harrisonburg, Virginia
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
THE TRANSPORT
Source: John Wyeth, Wyeth’s Repository of Sacred Music. Part second. Original and selected from the most eminent and approved authors in that science. For the use of Christian churches, singing-schools & private societies. Together with a plain and concise introduction to the grounds of music, and rules for learners, ed. 2 (Harrisburgh, Pa: John Wyeth, 1820).
Compiler Location: Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 2
TRANSPORT
Attribution: White & Davisson
Source: Ananias Davisson, Supplement to the Kentucky Harmony , ed. 3 ( Harrisonburg, Va: Printed and sold by the Author, 1825)
Compiler Location: Harrisonburg, Virginia
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
TRANSPORT
Attribution: White and Davisson
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
ERIN GO-BRAGH
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 2
TRANSPORT
Compiler Location: Hagerstown, Maryland
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
TRANSPORT
Attribution: White and Davison
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
TRANSPORT
Attribution: White and Davison
Source: William Walker, The Southern Harmony, And Musical Companion: containing a choice collection of tunes, hymns, psalms, odes, and anthems: selected from the most eminent authors in the United States: together with nearly one hundred new tunes, which have never before been published; suited to most of the metres contained in Watts’s Hymns And Psalms, Mercer’s Cluster, Dossey’s Choice, Dover Selection, Methodist Hymn Book, and Baptist Harmony; and well adapted to Christian churches of every denomination, singing schools, And private societies: Also, an easy introduction to the grounds of music, the rudiments of music, and plain rules for beginners , ster. ed. (Spartanburg, S.C.: for the Author, printed by T. K. and P. G. Collins, stereotyped by L. Johnson, Philadelphia, 1838 ).
Compiler Location: Spartanburg, South Carolina
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
TRANSPORT
Source: John B. Jackson, The Knoxville Harmony of Music Made Easy, which is an interesting selection of Hymns And Psalms, usually sung in churches: selected from the best authors in general use. Also, a variety of anthems; to which is added, a number of original tunes; being entirely new, and well adapted for the use of schools and churches, [ed. 2] (Pumpkintown, Tn: D. and M. Shields and Co., and John B. Jackson, Proprietors: Johnson and Edwards, printers, 1840 ).
Compiler Location: Pumpkintown, Tennessee
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 4
TRANSPORT
Attribution: White and Davison
Source: William Walker, The Southern Harmony, And Musical Companion: containing a choice collection of tunes, hymns, psalms, odes, and anthems: selected from the most eminent authors in the United States: together with nearly one hundred new tunes, which have never before been published; suited to most of the metres contained in Watts’s Hymns And Psalms, Mercer’s Cluster, Dossey’s Choice, Dover Selection, Methodist Hymn Book, and Baptist Harmony; and well adapted to Christian churches of every denomination, singing schools, And private societies: Also, an easy introduction to the grounds of music, the rudiments of music, and plain rules for beginners , new ed., imp. and enl. (Philadelphia: Cowperthwait, 1847).
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
TRANSPORT
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
NEW CANAAN
Attribution: Irish Air
Compiler Location: Wadley, Georgia
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
TRANSPORT
Attribution: White & Davisson
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
TRANSPORT
Notation: 7S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
TRANSPORT
Attribution: White and Davison
Source: William Walker, The Southern Harmony, And Musical Companion: containing a choice collection of tunes, hymns, psalms, odes, and anthems: selected from the most eminent authors in the United States: together with nearly one hundred new tunes, which have never before been published; suited to most of the metres contained in Watts’s Hymns And Psalms, Mercer’s Cluster, Dossey’s Choice, Dover Selection, Methodist Hymn Book, and Baptist Harmony; and well adapted to Christian churches of every denomination, singing schools, and private societies: also, an easy introduction to the grounds of music, the rudiments of music, and plain rules for beginners , new ed., rev. and imp. (Philadelphia: E.W. Miller, 1854 ).
Compiler Location: Spartanburg, South Carolina
Notation: 4S
Key: C major
Parts: 3
IRISH FAVORITE
Source: Lindsey Watson, The Singer's Choice: a collection of tunes, hymns and anthems, original and selected, designed for church and school purposes ( Louisville: J.P. Morton and Co., 1854).
Compiler Location: Hart County, Kentucky
Notation: Numeral (Harrison)
Key: C major
Parts: 3
I believe versions of "Wings of a Goney"/"Wings of a Gull"/"The Whaler's Lament"
were collected in the early 20th century from whalers in Maine and other parts
of New England, so like many other folk tunes, it might have crossed the
Atlantic quite early. And since there was a lot of movement of people out of New
England in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, perhaps someone who heard the
tune in New England brought it with them to Georgia. In fact, I think there was
some discussion of this tune on the list a while back, but I don't have time to
search for it now. So this is my initial stab in the dark; now I'll turn it over
to those who might even be more arcane than I.
Wade Kotter
South Ogden, UT
Wade
>
>From: Gabriel Kastelle <gabrie...@gmail.com>
>
>P.S. ?Irish bagpipes ??
For me the high strain of 123b resembles the opening of the "House
Carpenter" ballad, another nautical theme.
>How did L.P. Breedlove, a landlocked plantation owner from Georgia, get a hold of this tune?<
I think the process by which it happened is like what Wade outlined.
Separatist Baptists, Methodists and others were singing out of little
'word books' in New England, such as Joshua Smith's "Divine Hymns" and
they used whatever tunes were in their ears that fit the words, and
that stirred up the spirit.
Also, those itinerant preachers traveled in wide circuits in those
days and the religious associations stretched from New Hampshire to
South Carolina even in the early 1800's. The country was smaller and a
lot more "vertical".
For example Jeremiah Ingalls has "Weary Traveller" in 1805 in Vermont
and then we find "Traveller" in Southern Harmony, same words and same
melodic outline. Both belong to the "Sheffield Apprentice" ballad type
- to my ear.
Breedlove was clearly a camp-meeting tune 'collector' of some skill,
so he probably had hundreds in his head that he could have written
down. And I am glad for the ones that we have.
The fact that most of the states were "coastal" means that nautical
tunes were known far and wide even in landlocked states like Vermont!
That's my 2-cents...
Tom Malone
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-Ben
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I'm pretty sure I've seen different versions of this tune. What source are you
using that matches Cross of Christ note for note?
Wade
This tune does appear to be a contrafact of an Irish tune, thus explaining the bagpipe effect. Three of the sources that I've found the tune in, label it either as an Irish tune, or set an Irish ballad text to this particular tune.
Tune Variant 1: 1(2)3(4)52(3)4(3)11(d7)5 7(u1)24521
HUBBARD
Source: Amos Sutton Hayden, The Sacred Melodeon, containing a great variety of the most approved church music, selected chiefly from the old standard authors, with many original compositions. On a new system of notation. Designed for the use of churches, singing societies, and academies (Pittsburgh: Wm. Overend & Co., 1848).
Compiler Location: Euclid, Ohio
Notation: 7S
Key: F-sharp minor
Parts: 4
Tune Variant 2: 13(4)52(3)4(2)1(2)1(d7)5 7(u1)24521
REDEEMING LOVE
Source: George Miller, The Methodist Camp-Meeting Hymn Book: containing a variety of almost entire new tunes, the most of which have been set in order by the compiler, and are confidently recommended to Christians of every denomination, as calculated to be used either in times of public worship, private societies, or camp meeting; and especially in times of revivals, &c. (Dayton: B.F. Ellis, 1833).
Compiler Location: Dayton, Ohio
Notation: 4S
Key: A minor
Parts: 3
Tune Variant 3: 13(4)52(3)4(3)11(d7)5 7(u1)24521
HUBBARD
Source: Silas W[hite] Leonard and A[ugustus] D[amon] Fillmore, The Christian Psalmist, a collection of tunes and hymns, of various metres, original and selected: for the use of the church of God, Bible classes, and singing societies, embracing the round note, the numeral, and the patent note systems of notation, rev. and enl. ed. (Cincinnati: E. Shepard, 1850).
Compiler Location: New Albany, Indiana and Cincinnati, Ohio
Notation: Numeral (Harrison)
Key: A minor
Parts: 2
Tune Variant 4: 13(4)52(3)4(3)11(d7)5 7u24521
HUBBARD
Source: W. H. Diddle, The West Virginia Lute. Designed for social, revival, Sunday-School and miscellaneous meetings, ed. 2 (Parkersburg, W.V.: The Parkersburg Publishing Society of the United Brethren in Christ; Singer’s Glen, Va: Joseph Funk’s Sons, printers, 1868).
Compiler Location: Pennsboro', West Virginia
Notation: 7S
Key: F-sharp minor
Parts: 3
HUBBARD
Source: W. H. Diddle, The West Virginia Lute. Designed for social, revival, Sunday-School and miscellaneous meetings, ed. 3, (Parkersburg, W.V.: The Parkersburg Publishing Society of the United Brethren in Christ; Singer’s Glen, Va: Joseph Funk’s Sons, printers, 1870).
Compiler Location: Pennsboro', West Virginia
Notation: 7S
Key: F-sharp minor
Parts: 3
Tune Variant 5: 1352(3)4(2)11(d7)5 7(u1)24521
EMORY
Attribution: Arranged by Wm. Houser
Source: William Hauser, Hesperian Harp: a collection of psalm and hymn tunes, odes and anthems; and Sunday-school, infant, revival, temperance, patriotic, and moral pieces: containing also a number of Scotch, German, Irish, and other fine compositions. Much new music never before published, and an exposition of the principles of music and of musical composition (Philadelphia: for the Author, 1848).
Compiler Location: Wadley, Georgia
Notation: 4S
Key: A minor
Parts: 3
Tune Variant 6: 13524(2)11(d7)5 7(u1)24521
CROSS OF CHRIST
Attribution: L. P. Breedlove
Source: B. F. White, and E. J. King, The Sacred Harp, a collection of psalm and hymn tunes, odes, and anthems, selected from the most eminent authors: together with nearly one hundred pieces never before published; suited to most metres, and well adapted to churches of every denomination, singing schools, and private societies. With plain rules for learners (Philadelphia: B. F. White and Joel King, 1844).
Compiler Location: Hamilton, Georgia
Notation: 4S
Key: G minor
Parts: 3
REDEEMING GRACE
Source: L[azurus]. J. Jones, Southern Minstrel: a collection of psalm and hymn tunes, odes, and anthems: in three parts, selected from eminent authors, together with a number of new tunes, never before published, suited to nearly every metre, and well adapted to churches of every denomination, singing schools, and private societies, with plain rules for learners (Philadelphia: Grigg, Elliot and Co., 1849).
Compiler Location: Jasper County, Mississippi
Notation: 4S
Key: G minor
Parts: 3
CROSS OF CHRIST
Attribution: L. P. Breedlove
Source: William Walker, The Southern Harmony, And Musical Companion: containing a choice collection of tunes, hymns, psalms, odes, and anthems: selected from the most eminent authors in the United States: together with nearly one hundred new tunes, which have never before been published; suited to most of the metres contained in Watts’s Hymns And Psalms, Mercer’s Cluster, Dossey’s Choice, Dover Selection, Methodist Hymn Book, and Baptist Harmony; and well adapted to Christian churches of every denomination, singing schools, and private societies: also, an easy introduction to the grounds of music, the rudiments of music, and plain rules for beginners, new ed., rev. and imp. (Philadelphia: E.W. Miller, 1854).
Compiler Location: Spartanburg, South Carolina
Notation: 4S
Key: G minor
Parts: 3
CROSS OF CHRIST
Attribution: L. P. Breedlove. Alto by Wm. Walker
Source: William Walker, The Christian Harmony: in the seven-syllable character note system of music; being the most successful, natural, and easy method of acquiring a knowledge of this art; saving to the learner an immense amount of time and labor, thus placing the science of music within the reach of every person; containing the choicest collection of hymn and psalm tunes, odes and anthems, selected from the best authors in Europe and America; together with a large number of new tunes, from eminent composers, never before published, Embracing a Great Variety of Metres suited to the various hymn and psalm book used by the different denominations of Christians; adapted to the use of singing schools, choirs, social and private singing societies: also a copious elucidation of the science of vocal music, and plain rules for beginners, ed. 2 (Philadelphia: Miller’s Bible and Publishing House, 1873).
Compiler Location: Spartanburg, Sourth Carolina
Notation: 7S
Key: G minor
Parts: 4
I think this is worth a lot more than two cents. Anyway, would you agree with
Tom Malone that there is a similarity between Cross of Christ and the "House
Carpenter" tune family, which according to Bronson ("The Traditional Tunes of
the Child Ballads", vol. 3, pp. 429-496, Child Ballad #243) has a long history
in both the British Isles and America. In line with Tom's observation, I see
that the note at the bottom of the following web page suggests that one of the
tunes used for "Wings of a Gull" aka "Wings of a Goney" is a combination (dare I
say cento?) of "House Carpenter" and "Ten Thousand Miles":
http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/song-midis/Wings_of_a_Gull.htm
If Cross of Christ is indeed related to "House Carpenter" and "Ten Thousand
Miles", and I do hear a similarity but not a note to note match, then the 1833
Miller printing is the earliest know American printing of this tune with a
sacred text, but the tune or tunes upon which it is based go back much further
in time and presumably had a broader geographic distribution. As to where
Breedlove got his tune, I see in "Makers of the Sacred Harp" that Breedlove ran
a hotel in Talbotton, GA from 1838-1840. Seems like a possible context in which
he could have heard someone sing the tune that later became Cross of Christ,
although revival/camp meetings is obviously another possibility.
Wade Kotter
South Ogden, UT
>
>From: Nikos Pappas <nikos.a...@gmail.com>
>To: wadek...@yahoo.com
>Cc: Benjamin Bath <bb...@bard.edu>; Thomas Malone <shap...@gmail.com>; Fasola
>Discussions <fasola-di...@googlegroups.com>
>Sent: Fri, January 21, 2011 11:28:00 AM
>Subject: Re: [fasola-discussions] tune-spotting...
>
>So here is my two cents thrown into the works. I've found six variants of this
>tune, dating between 1833 and 1868. 2/3 originate from the west, and 1/3 from
>the south. It does not appear to have spread via New England to the southern
>states, rather a western tune that made its way east. The earliest version
>originated from Dayton, Ohio. The version by L. P. Breedlove would be the
>second earliest source for this tune.
>
>The connection to waterways is fascinating, because most of the sacred versions
>of the tune circulated from sources along the Ohio River and Lake Erie. Perhaps
>
>
>it was a sea chantey that became a sacred tune. It's form follows many popular
>songs in its structure as an ABABCC'AB form with a repeated first section and a
>da capo at the end. I haven't done research in sea chanteys to be able to
>answer this one way or the other. It was associated with camp meeting and
>revival use, specifically in the west as attested directly by the Miller and
>Diddle sources.
>
>In regards to sacred tunes and their relationship to secular sources, it was not
>
>
>specifically a one-way street. Many tunes in the Sacred Harporiginated as
>secular melodies. However, the opposite happened too. I found in an 1860
>Republican songster in support of Abraham Lincoln and published in Cleveland, a
>lament on the ineptitude of James Buchanan as president that was set to the
>following words: Where? O! where is Jimmie Buchanan? etc. This song obviously
>referenced the HEBREW CHILDREN. The Anthony source that I referenced as a
>printing of TRANSPORT did this same thing through setting ballad texts to
>shape-note hymns. Anthony's explanation for this was that all he had were word
>book copies of ballad texts but had no ballad tunes to set them to. So his only
>
>
>option to sing these texts was to fit them to the tunes he knew best, which were
>
>
>shape-note tunes. I do not mean to say that it isn't possible that this tune
>started as a secular tune and became appropriated into a sacred context, only
>that this point of origin is not the only possibility, particularly when secular
>
>
>appropriations of sacred material were common enough in the Ohio River Valley to
>
>
>create a publishing market for such a thing.
>
>Nikos Pappas, Lxgtn
>
>Here are my six variants and their respective sources:
>
>
>
>Tune Variant 1: 1(2)3(4)52(3)4(3)11(d7)5
>7(u1)24521
>
>HUBBARD
>Source: Amos Sutton Hayden, The Sacred Melodeon, containing a great variety of
>the most approved church music, selected chiefly from the old standard authors,
>with many original compositions. On a new system of notation. Designed for the
>use of churches, singing societies, and academies(Pittsburgh: Wm. Overend & Co.,
>
>
>1848).
>Compiler Location: Euclid, Ohio
>Notation: 7S
>Key: F-sharp minor
>Parts: 4
>
>Tune Variant 2: 13(4)52(3)4(2)1(2)1(d7)5
> 7(u1)24521
>
>REDEEMING LOVE
>Source: GeorgeMiller,The Methodist Camp-Meeting Hymn Book: containing a variety
>of almost entire new tunes, the most of which have been set in order by the
>compiler, and are confidently recommended to Christians of every denomination,
>as calculated to be used either in times of public worship, private societies,
>or camp meeting; and especially in times of revivals, &c.(Dayton: B.F. Ellis,
>1833).
>Compiler Location: Dayton, Ohio
>Notation: 4S
>Key: A minor
>Parts: 3
>
>Tune Variant 3: 13(4)52(3)4(3)11(d7)5
> 7(u1)24521
>
>HUBBARD
>Source: Silas W[hite] Leonardand A[ugustus] D[amon]Fillmore, The Christian
>Psalmist, a collection of tunes and hymns, of various metres, original and
>selected: for the use of the church of God, Bible classes, and singing
>societies, embracing the round note, the numeral, and the patent note systems of
>
>
>notation, rev. and enl. ed.(Cincinnati: E. Shepard, 1850).
>Compiler Location: New Albany, Indiana and Cincinnati, Ohio
>Notation: Numeral (Harrison)
>Key: A minor
>Parts: 2
>
>Tune Variant 4: 13(4)52(3)4(3)11(d7)5
> 7u24521
>
>HUBBARD
>Source: W. H. Diddle, The West Virginia Lute. Designed for social, revival,
>Sunday-School and miscellaneous meetings,ed. 2(Parkersburg, W.V.: The
>Parkersburg Publishing Society of the United Brethren in Christ; Singer’s Glen,
>Va: Joseph Funk’s Sons, printers, 1868).
>Compiler Location: Pennsboro', West Virginia
>Notation: 7S
>Key: F-sharp minor
>Parts: 3
>
>HUBBARD
>Source: W. H. Diddle, The West Virginia Lute. Designed for social, revival,
>Sunday-School and miscellaneous meetings, ed. 3,(Parkersburg, W.V.: The
>Parkersburg Publishing Society of the United Brethren in Christ; Singer’s Glen,
>Va: Joseph Funk’s Sons, printers, 1870).
>Compiler Location: Pennsboro', West Virginia
>Notation: 7S
>Key: F-sharp minor
>Parts: 3
>
>Tune Variant 5: 1352(3)4(2)11(d7)5
>
>
>7(u1)24521
>
>EMORY
>Attribution: Arranged by Wm. Houser
>Source: WilliamHauser, Hesperian Harp: a collection of psalm and hymn tunes,
>odes and anthems; and Sunday-school, infant, revival, temperance, patriotic, and
>
>
>moral pieces: containing also a number of Scotch, German, Irish, and other fine
>compositions. Much new music never before published, and an exposition of the
>principles of music and of musical composition (Philadelphia: for the Author,
>1848).
>Compiler Location: Wadley, Georgia
>Notation: 4S
>Key: A minor
>Parts: 3
>
>Tune Variant 6: 13524(2)11(d7)5
>7(u1)24521
>
>CROSS OF CHRIST
>Attribution: L. P. Breedlove
>Source: B.F. White, and E. J. King,The Sacred Harp, a collection of psalm and
>hymn tunes, odes, and anthems, selected from the most eminent authors: together
>with nearly one hundred pieces never before published; suited to most metres,
>and well adapted to churches of every denomination, singing schools, and private
>
>
>societies. With plain rules for learners(Philadelphia: B. F. White and Joel
>King, 1844).
>Compiler Location: Hamilton, Georgia
>Notation: 4S
>Key: G minor
>Parts: 3
>
>REDEEMING GRACE
>Source: L[azurus]. J. Jones, Southern Minstrel: a collection of psalm and hymn
>tunes, odes, and anthems: in three parts, selected from eminent authors,
>together with a number of new tunes, never before published, suited to nearly
>every metre, and well adapted to churches of every denomination, singing
>schools, and private societies, with plain rules for learners (Philadelphia:
>Grigg, Elliot and Co., 1849).
>Compiler Location: Jasper County, Mississippi
>Notation: 4S
>Key: G minor
>Parts: 3
>
>CROSS OF CHRIST
>Attribution: L. P. Breedlove
>Source: WilliamWalker,The Southern Harmony, And Musical Companion: containing a
>choice collection of tunes, hymns, psalms, odes, and anthems: selected from the
>most eminent authors in the United States: together with nearly one hundred new
>tunes, which have never before been published; suited to most of the metres
>contained in Watts’s Hymns And Psalms, Mercer’s Cluster, Dossey’s Choice, Dover
>Selection, Methodist Hymn Book, and Baptist Harmony; and well adapted to
>Christian churches of every denomination, singing schools, and private
>societies: also, an easy introduction to the grounds of music, the rudiments of
>music, and plain rules for beginners, new ed., rev. and imp. (Philadelphia: E.W.
>
>
>Miller, 1854).
>Compiler Location: Spartanburg, South Carolina
>Notation: 4S
>Key: G minor
>Parts: 3
>
>CROSS OF CHRIST
>Attribution: L. P. Breedlove. Alto by Wm. Walker
>Source: WilliamWalker, The Christian Harmony: in the seven-syllable character
>note system of music; being the most successful, natural, and easy method of
>acquiring a knowledge of this art; saving to the learner an immense amount of
>time and labor, thus placing the science of music within the reach of every
>person; containing the choicest collection of hymn and psalm tunes, odes and
>anthems, selected from the best authors in Europe and America; together with a
>large number of new tunes, from eminent composers, never before published,
>Embracing a Great Variety of Metres suited to the various hymn and psalm book
>used by the different denominations of Christians; adapted to the use of singing
>
>
>schools, choirs, social and private singing societies: also a copious
>elucidation of the science of vocal music, and plain rules for beginners, ed.
>2(Philadelphia: Miller’s Bible and Publishing House, 1873).
>Compiler Location: Spartanburg, Sourth Carolina
>Notation: 7S
>Key: G minor
>Parts: 4
>
Dick Hulan
Spfld VA
Thanks for the thoughts/research and ditto what Wade said about Nick's fount of information.
The oldest record of the words to the whaling ballad are from the "Ocean Rover" log book of 1859. The collection that has the tune is either "Songs the Whalemen Sang" by Gale Huntington or "Shanties and Sailor Songs" by Stan Hugill. I don't have either within 140 miles of me so I can't verify which one has the tune, or its claimed point of origin.
Here's the oral tune that was collected and has since been sung to Wings of a Goney by sea shanty revivalists throughout the country:
|| || || ||| | || || || fin.|| # || || # d.c.
minor 4/4 :12|355242|121d7d5u12|345542|1--:55|5476|542155|5476|5-- (numbers with line = eighth note. #= sharp. := repeat)
It's the same tune with a few flourishes. Question for Nick: do the tune examples you cite have 'cc' parts?
-Ben
Many have been impatient to work their passage through ....
(Revised Cooper Edition 2006, p. 150 and J.L White Edition, 2007, p. 150. (Thanks, Blue and White books, for keeping this song available!))
So it is hardly surprising that these songs might have been known far from the Atlantic, by farmers and tanners and preachers in Cincinnati or West Georgia, and passed into the sacred repertory in such places.
For the scholarship and fascinating information & exchanges in this string, thanks to all.
Nicholas Pasqual
Frigid-by-the-Inland-Sea Chicago
> The Spiritual Sailor, presumably a contribution from the Shakers,
> analogizes the spiritual journey to precisely that experience:
> Many have been impatient to work their passage through ....
> (Revised Cooper Edition 2006, p. 150 and J.L White Edition,
> 2007, p. 150. (Thanks, Blue and White books,
> for keeping this song available!))
A very nice tune! May your mention of it help call more attention to it.
Robert Vaughn
Mount Enterprise, TX
Wade
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> From: Robert Vaughn <rl_v...@yahoo.com>
> To: fasola-di...@googlegroups.com; npas...@msn.com
> Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 12:36:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [fasola-discussions] tune-spotting...
>
I'll weigh in, since Shakers have been mentioned!
Yes, the origins of Spiritual Sailor are Shaker. It appears in an abundance of Shaker manuscripts, as well as the Shakers' first printed hymnal, Millennial Praises (1813), and it is attributed to Richard McNemar, the New Light Presbyterian KY Revival preacher who converted to the Shakers in May 1805. Few of earliest Shaker hymn manuscripts record tunes; as in other sects, it was common to hold tunes in oral tradition. By the 1830s, there was an awareness of the need to record the tunes of "ancient" hymns, meaning from the founding generation, before knowledge of those tunes died along with the founding generation itself. So a lot of manuscripts of that period collect those "ancient" tunes in the letteral notation developed by the Shakers. One such manuscript is the massive bound hymn book compiled in 1845 by Russel Haskell of Enfield, CT, which is now in the Library of Congress. The text and tune for Spiritual Sailor are found on p222, titled "Voyage to Canaan."
Many of us Shaker music scholars suspect that the popular seafaring metaphor may have had particular resonance with the Shakers, given the experience of Ann Lee and her original English followers fleeing England on the ship "Mariah." The Shakers passed down stories of semi-miraculous experiences of those founders aboard that ship - an angel seen at the helm in a storm, and so forth. In any case, several of the early Shaker hymn writers who were Ohio/Kentucky residents and had possibly never seen the ocean used it nonetheless.
Daniel Patterson notes that William Hauser claims in Olive Leaf that Old Ship of Zion was written by his uncle Samuel, a Shaker at Pleasant Hill from 1808 until his death in the 1850s (Patterson, Shaker Spiritual, p461 n7). Obviously, another seafaring metaphor hymn.
Carol Medlicott
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Subject: [fasola-discussions] tune-spotting...
It might be nice to pin Leonard Breedlove's source for this tune more precisely, but surely we can infer a great deal about transmission of tunes & verses just from the history & literature of the period. All travel from Europe to the New World, all immigration, all commerce, was by sea. Virtually all who went down to the sea in ships would have heard the chanteys. The sailor as wanderer was a stock character in literature. as was the innkeeper. Some sailors were pressed into service & would have been happy to get as far from the sea as possible. Even if immigrants never went asailing after the privation and nausea of the Atlantic crossing, they would have picked up tunes & verses at sea & carried them on their land journeys. Some immigrants paid part or all of their passage by working aboard ship, and 'heave away, haul away' would not have been an abstraction to them.
The Spiritual Sailor, presumably a contribution from the Shakers, analogizes the spiritual journey to precisely that experience:
Many have been impatient to work their passage through ....
(Revised Cooper Edition 2006, p. 150 and J.L White Edition, 2007, p. 150. (Thanks, Blue and White books, for keeping this song available!))
So it is hardly surprising that these songs might have been known far from the Atlantic, by farmers and tanners and preachers in Cincinnati or West Georgia, and passed into the sacred repertory in such places.
For the scholarship and fascinating information & exchanges in this string, thanks to all.
Nicholas Pasqual
Frigid-by-the-Inland-Sea Chicago
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:28:00 -0500
Subject: Re: [fasola-discussions] tune-spotting...
From: nikos.a...@gmail.com
To: wadek...@yahoo.com
CC: bb...@bard.edu; shap...@gmail.com; fasola-di...@googlegroups.com
So here is my two cents thrown into the works. I've found six variants of this tune, dating between 1833 and 1868. 2/3 originate from the west, and 1/3 from the south. It does not appear to have spread via New England to the southern states, rather a western tune that made its way east. The earliest version originated from Dayton, Ohio. The version by L. P. Breedlove would be the second earliest source for this tune.The connection to waterways is fascinating, because most of the sacred versions of the tune circulated from sources along the Ohio River and Lake Erie. Perhaps it was a sea chantey that became a sacred tune. It's form follows many popular songs in its structure as an ABABCC'AB form with a repeated first section and a da capo at the end. I haven't done research in sea chanteys to be able to answer this one way or the other. It was associated with camp meeting and revival use, specifically in the west as attested directly by the Miller and Diddle sources.In regards to sacred tunes and their relationship to secular sources, it was not specifically a one-way street. Many tunes in the Sacred Harp originated as secular melodies. However, the opposite happened too. I found in an 1860 Republican songster in support of Abraham Lincoln and published in Cleveland, a lament on the ineptitude of James Buchanan as president that was set to the following words: Where? O! where is Jimmie Buchanan? etc. This song obviously referenced the HEBREW CHILDREN. The Anthony source that I referenced as a printing of TRANSPORT did this same thing through setting ballad texts to shape-note hymns. Anthony's explanation for this was that all he had were word book copies of ballad texts but had no ballad tunes to set them to. So his only option to sing these texts was to fit them to the tunes he knew best, which were shape-note tunes. I do not mean to say that it isn't possible that this tune started as a secular tune and became appropriated into a sacred context, only that this point of origin is not the only possibility, particularly when secular appropriations of sacred material were common enough in the Ohio River Valley to create a publishing market for such a thing.Nikos Pappas, Lxgtn
http://www.oldfieldssingers.com/app/download/2092769403/Drone.mp3?t=1287442798
It worked for me; hopefully it will work for you.
Wade Kotter
South Ogden, UT