FBP florit late 1590s Long Sought Home

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David Olson

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Nov 24, 2025, 12:20:17 AM (4 days ago) Nov 24
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What is the information on F.B.P., the poet of SH 235 Long Sought Home vv1-2?

A date of c. 1593 : Wow! I love the new details.

Is this in Makers (I loaned my copy)? Who found this?

What if "P" is "Penick"?

David Olson
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Robert Vaughn

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Nov 24, 2025, 9:35:53 AM (3 days ago) Nov 24
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David, here is a bit of info:

"Words: Undated manuscript by 'F.B.P.,' circa 1600, includes the first two verses; this text and chorus include verses 1, 2, and 7 (of 10) as found in Walker, Southern Harmony, 1847 ed." Makers of The Sacred Harp, p. 209

"Text: F.B.P., circa 1600; This version is from Collection of Sacred Ballads by Andrew and Richard Fuller in 1790." Songs Before Unknown, p. 190


Robert Vaughn 
Mount Enterprise, TX
Ask for the old paths, where is the good way
For ask now of the days that are past...
Give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land.


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Wade Kotter

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Nov 24, 2025, 10:29:09 AM (3 days ago) Nov 24
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Robert, A Collection of Sacred Ballads was compiled by Richard and Andrew Broaddus (not Fuller). When working on the attributions for the 2025 ed., Robert Kelley was able to obtain a scan of this collection and uploaded it to archive.org. The text in question is Song III on pp. 4-5:

https://archive.org/details/broaddus-sacred-ballads/page/n1/mode/2up

As mentioned in The Makers, you can see that verses 1 & 2 of #235 in the 1991 edition match verses 1 & 2 in A Collection of Sacred Ballads and verse 3 of #235 in the 1991 ed. matches verse 7 in that collection. The chorus is not found in the Broaddus and Broaddus collection; as stated in The Makers, it first appeared in 1847 ed. of Southern Harmony. The same is true of 235 in the 2025 edition and 343 in the 2012 Cooper book. According to The Makers and the 2025 ed., only verses 1 & 2 appear in the early manuscript with the initials "F.B.P." The Makers gives a date for this manuscript of "ca. 1600" while Robert Kelley has refined that to "ca. 1593" in the attributions for the 2025 ed.  We're talking about nearly 200 years between the earliest known appearance of verse 1 and 2 of this text and their appearance in A Collection of Sacred Ballads. One would need to contact Robert Kelley to learn his evidence for the "ca. 1593" date. I don't know if Robert Kelley still monitors the Fasola discussions list, so if you or David want to contact him about this, here is his webpage at Lander University which includes his email address:

https://www.lander.edu/directory/profiles/robert-kelley.html

Robert mentioned this text in the presentation he made at the symposium in Atlanta in conjunction with the release of the 2025 edition, but I can't remember if he mentioned any details about the ca. 1592 manuscript.

Wade

Dr. Wade Kotter
Retired Librarian
Independent Hymnologist and Unrestrained Loud Treble
South Ogden, UT
"Make a Joyful Noise Unto the Lord" 



Wade Kotter

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Nov 24, 2025, 10:36:04 AM (3 days ago) Nov 24
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I found a scan of the manuscript. See the section titled "III. Text: Adaptation and Development" on the following page:

https://www.hymnologyarchive.com/jerusalem-my-happy-home

Wade

Dr. Wade Kotter
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Independent Hymnologist and Unrestrained Loud Treble
South Ogden, UT
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Robert Vaughn

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Nov 24, 2025, 12:24:40 PM (3 days ago) Nov 24
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Thanks for the information, Wade. That is helpful. As to Broaddus v. Fuller, the book Songs Before Unknown had Broaddus; "Fuller" represents a short between my brain and fingers! Otherwise, I probably tried to be too economical with space usage at the expense of detail. Thanks especially for the linked page with the scan of the F.B.P. manuscript.

For now I am adding an errata that reads in this manner:

"Text: Stanzas one and two are stanzas one and seven (altered) in a manuscript by F.B.P., circa 1593; Stanzas 1-2 and the third stanza in The Sacred Harp 2012 are found in Collection of Sacred Ballads by Andrew and Richard Broaddus, 1790. Stanza three is stanza seven in Sacred Ballads. The chorus is from The Southern Harmony, 1847." (Thanks to Wade Kotter and Robert Kelley)

Blessings,
Robert Vaughn 
Mount Enterprise, TX
Ask for the old paths, where is the good way
For ask now of the days that are past...
Give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land.


On Monday, November 24, 2025 at 09:50:20 AM CST, Robert Vaughn <rl_v...@yahoo.com> wrote:


Thanks for the information, Wade. That is helpful. As to Broaddus v. Fuller, the book Songs Before Unknown had Broaddus; "Fuller" represents a short between the brain and fingers! Otherwise, I probably tried to be too economical with space usage as the expense of detail. Thanks especially for the linked page with the scan of the F.B.P. manuscript

Blessings,
Robert Vaughn 
Mount Enterprise, TX
Ask for the old paths, where is the good way
For ask now of the days that are past...
Give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land.

Barry Johnston

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Nov 25, 2025, 3:18:17 PM (2 days ago) Nov 25
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Also see this page at CPDL:

Barry Johnston
Gunnison, Colorado

Will Fitzgerald

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Nov 25, 2025, 3:25:04 PM (2 days ago) Nov 25
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I wrote an essay on LONG SOUGHT HOME’s text for my Vital Sparks column, which itself points to another even better essay in the Hymnology Archive.

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