Hark! Don't you hear the turtle dove

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Robert Vaughn

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Jun 19, 2020, 5:39:17 PM6/19/20
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Someone on Facebook is looking for the source of the lyrics below, which is with THE TURTLE DOVE, No. 43 in The Southern Harmony. https://www.ccel.org/ccel/walker/harmony2/files/gif/TheTurtleDove.gif

The Southern Harmony credits it to The Dover Selection (I assume the one by Andrew Broaddus). I'm sure that is where Walker found it. However, Willliam Dossey’s The Choice credits it to Daniel's Selection (apparently a book of that name by Baptist preacher Robert T. Daniel, 1812). It may be even earlier, but I have not found anything. Anyone know of the origin of this hymn?
https://books.google.com/books?id=BdAGnn0SZX0C&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq=%22daniel%27s%20selection%22#v=onepage&q=%22daniel's%20selection%22&f=false

1. Hark! Don't you hear the turtle dove,
The token redeeming love?
From hill to hill we hear the sound
The neighboring valleys echo round.
O Zion, hear the turtle dove,
The token of the Savior’s love!
She comes the desert land to cheer,
And welcomes in the jubil-year.

2. The winter's past, the rain is o'er,
We feel the chilling winds no more;
The spring is come, how sweet the view;
All things appear divinely new.
On Zion's mount the watchmen cry,
The resurrections drawing nigh.
Behold the nations from abroad
Are flocking to the mount of God

3. The latter days on us have come,
And fugitives are flocking home;
Behold them crowd the gospel road,
All pressing to the mount of God.
O yes! and I will join that band,
Now here's my heart, and here's my hand
With Satan's band no more I'll be,
But fight for Christ and liberty.

Robert Vaughn 
Mount Enterprise, TX
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Ask for the old paths, where is the good way
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Give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land.

Wade Kotter

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Jun 19, 2020, 9:58:40 PM6/19/20
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Robert, I don't find any library holdings in WorldCat of a book titled Daniel's Selection or any other hymn book compiled by an R. T. Daniel. I find it interesting that there is also no mention of this collection in Music and Richardson's I Will Sing the Wondrous Story. I'm not suggesting that it doesn't exist, just that no one seems to know of a surviving copy. I'm quite sure I've seen this text in early camp-meeting collections in the 1800s and 1810s but it isn't one of the texts that I've indexed so I can't say for sure unless I take the time to review all of the collection from this time. You probably already know that it is also found in at least two Methodist collections and a Winebrenner (Church of God) collection in addition to Dossey's Choice and the Dover Selection:






On of the oddest printings I've found is on the last page of the index of this 1833 tune book:

https://archive.org/details/norristown00norr/page/144/mode/1up

Sorry I can't help you with the history of this text prior to its appearance in the 1825 ed. of Thomas Mason's Zion Songster.

Wade

Wade Kotter
South Ogden, UT
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Robert Vaughn

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Jun 19, 2020, 10:36:32 PM6/19/20
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Thanks, Wade. from what little I have found no copies of Daniel's Selection are extant. It is mentioned in A Bibliography of Poetic Literature of North Carolina by Hight C. Moore (The Farmer and Mechanic, Raleigh, North Carolina, 20 November 1906, Tuesday, page 5). There is another note I do not have before me now, which mentions that someone or some library had a copy (can't remember at the moment), but that it had disappeared.


Robert Vaughn 
Mount Enterprise, TX
http://baptistsearch.blogspot.com 
Ask for the old paths, where is the good way
http://mtcarmelbaptist.blogspot.com 
For ask now of the days that are past...
http://oldredland.blogspot.com 
Give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land.

rhulan

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Jun 20, 2020, 1:36:11 PM6/20/20
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The source is John Adam Granade, The Pilgrim's Songster (Lexington, KY, 1804).  I don't think a copy of the first edition survives, but I have the second (Russellville, KY, 1812) and it's his Song XV, Second Part.  His heading for Song XV is "The winter is past:  Songs of Solomon 2, 11, 12, 13."  (The First Part is a different hymn, or "song.")

Granade's text is in quatrains, so two of them make one verse as posted here (I guess, from Southern Harmony).  The version with three double verses omits Granade's vss. 5-6, and 9-10.

I discussed Granade in Makers, pp. 71-73 and a couple of footnotes on p. 261.  That cites my 1974 biographical article about him in Western Folklore.  More recently, I also wrote the entry on Granade for the online Canterbury Dictionary of Hymnology.  And I've contributed a couple of photos to his Find-a-Grave memorial, #183083603.

In that regard, some of you might be interested in a Find-a-Grave "virtual cemetery" I have been tinkering with, "Makers of American Folk Hymnody."  In almost all of the examples so far, the memorial was already extant and I just tweaked it (unless the person was "Famous," and I couldn't) by adding some photo, with my caption.  Most, but not all, of the photos show a book that I own, or at least know of, in which some of that deceased person's contributions to our corpus of folk hymnody appeared.  The only memorial I've had to create from scratch (so far) was John Rothbaust.  Anyway, here is the url for the work-in-progress.  https://www.findagrave.com/virtual-cemetery/975603?page=1#sr-23

Dick Hulan

Wade Kotter

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Jun 20, 2020, 3:18:32 PM6/20/20
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Thanks, Dick. I had thought about Grenade as a possibility but hadn't yet checked you seminal work on the subject. :-)

Wade

Wade Kotter
South Ogden, UT
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Robert Vaughn

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Jun 22, 2020, 8:38:27 AM6/22/20
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Dick, thanks so very much for this information, and also for pointing to your virtual cemetery on Find-A-Grave.

Blessings,
Robert Vaughn 
Mount Enterprise, TX
Ask for the old paths, where is the good way
For ask now of the days that are past...
Give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land.

Fulton, Erin

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Jun 22, 2020, 7:27:36 PM6/22/20
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Dear Mr. Hulan,

Thanks so much for pointing us towards your "virtual cemetery"! I have often stumbled across an individual page and smiled to see the photos or caption attributed to "rayzn," but did not realize you had assembled your work in this way. When I was first doing research on Franklin Harmonie years ago, there was just about nothing to be found on Rothbaust. How delightful to see a write-up for him now!


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E. Fulton.
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Clarissa Fetrow

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Jun 22, 2020, 7:27:36 PM6/22/20
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Dick, your “Makers of American Folk Hymnody” virtual cemetery is super interesting, and I encourage you to give it its own post, so that more people can be be directed to it.

Clarissa
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