Clash of Bros Rule Changes Vote

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Keepers
How many keepers should be allowed (Currently 1)? *
0 1 (No Change) 2

Trading Future Keepers
Trading Future Keepers *
Should we be able to trade rights to keepers?
Yes No
If a person trades a player in the offseason, should they lose the rights to have a keeper for the upcoming season? *
Yes No

Trading Future Money
Should we be allowed to trade future auction draft money? *
Yes No
If we are allowed to trade future draft money, should there be a high limit on the amount you can obtain per year? *
Yes No Don't trade future auction draft money
If there is a high limit per year, how much should it be? *
210 220 230 240 250 No Limit Don't trade future auction draft money
If we are allowed to trade future draft money, should there be a high limit on the amount you can obtain per year? *
Yes No
Should there be a lower limit on the amount of money you can trade away per auction? *
EX: If you trade $20 of 2016 draft money,you would then be at $180 for 2016 draft
190 180 170 160 150 No Limit Don't trade future auction draft money
If you can trade money, how many years of cap ahead should you be allowed to trade? *
1 2 3 No Limit Don't trade future auction draft money

Teams Eliminated from Playoffs Midseason
How many weeks before the end of the season should the trade deadline be? *
1 2 3 4 More than 4
When should the trade deadline be for eliminated teams? *
Same as all other teams When they are eliminated

Points per Reception (PPR)
Should we change the scoring to PPR? *
Yes No
If we change to PPR, how much should each reception be worth? *
.25 .5 .75 1 Don't change scoring to PPR

Divisions
Should we keep divisions? *
Yes No
If we keep divisions, how should they be set up? *
Equally distribute teams based on previous year Current geographic living location Height Weight Age

Entry Fee
Should the entry fee stay at $50? *
Yes No
If the entry fee is changed, what should it be? *
$40 $60 $75 $100
If the entry fee is increased, should the winnings be accordingly distributed within the current payout structure or should we add additional ways to "win" money? *
Distribute winnings, current structure Add ways to win $
If we add additional ways to win money, which way would you most want to see? *
Weekly payout for top scorer Highest kicker points end of season Highest Points Against total at end of season Don't add ways

Acquisitions
Should the limit to acquisitions stay at 20? *
Yes No
If it is changed, how many acquisitions should be allowed? *
10 15 25 Don't change
Should the acquisitions remain on tiered pricing? *
Yes No
If no, how much should be charged? *
$0 Lower tiered prices Higher tiered prices Remain on tiered pricing

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[Kurt Gerken]

where are we at on this??

Kurt C. Gerken

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[Kurt Gerken]

Where are we at on this?

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[James (Matt) Quinlan]

I voted

[Jason Engle]

Voted

[Kevin Burke]

voted

[Steven Polansky]

Voted 

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[Scott Klovans]

Voted 

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[James (Matt) Quinlan]

how do we see the results?

[jeng...@gmail.com]

I saw the results immediately after I voted but I think only the creator can see results afterwards until he makes them public

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[James (Matt) Quinlan]

Yea I saw them then too but think there was only 3 of us. I was trying to see them now

[Kevin Burke]

Phil.........

[Layne Bukhair]

voted!

[Phillip Garcia]

So far we're only at 6 responses, here's where we stand so far. 

[Phillip Garcia]

Interesting responses so far. The biggest potential change (PPR scoring) tied at a dead even 3-3. 

[Trey Bahney]

Jeez, that was bloody to read. Poll making 101: if you ask a yes or no question and then follow it up with a "if yes, then how much?", then you DEFINITELY don't have an option for the original no response. Those are wasted responses because if they vote no then it won't pass, but if it gets voted yes, then they need to pick an amount and not waste their vote on saying no again. 

Haven't voted yet but that annoyed the shit out of me as it is prevalent throughout (no offense, Phil).

Anyways, I'm willing to sell my vote for PPR for $25 draft dollars. If you want to win, you'll know what's best. 

[Kevin Burke]

So I definitely did vote already, but it's saying I didnt, so I will try to resubmit....but also, after re-reading these, I have an issue with some of the questions. In particular the questions that come after a yes/no question and have the answer choice of "no" again. For example:

Should we change the scoring to PPR?

Yes?  -  3

No?  -  3

If we change to PPR, how much should each reception be worth?

.25  -  1

.5  -  2

.75

1

Don't change scoring to PPR  -  3

I don't think "Don't change scoring to PPR" should be an answer choice, because the question is assuming that we do change it to PPR, what do you want the scoring to be? 

So basically any the questions with these types of answers choices would probably need to be re-asked if the answer was "yes" to any of the first questions. 

[Kevin Burke]

um...jinx Trey! You owe me a coke or something

[Phillip Garcia]

Trey can make the next one then.

[Phillip Garcia]

Looks like we have two volunteers for the next poll! I actually agree with all of that, just made it way too fast.

[Layne Bukhair]

"I said with all due respect"

Ricky Bobby

[Layne]

I feel like I am the best fantasy player in the league!

[Kurt Gerken]

Just leave those other answers blank.  This shouldn't be that hard

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[James (Matt) Quinlan]

Ha while it wasn't the easiest survey to follow, it still wasn't difficult to understand the intent and answer accordingly. 

Critical thinking guys.

[Kurt Gerken]

Also, thank you Phil for putting this together

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[Kevin Burke]

I agree, thank you Phil for making this...

But if the voting ended today, we would have "Yes" to change to PPR and "Don't change to PPR" as how much the receptions are worth. Or are those 3 votes null and ".5" be the winner? Or at the end, if we have a situation like this, will the ones who voted "Don't change to PPR" need to revote? I don't think these are illogical questions to be asking.

Should we change the scoring to PPR?

42.9%57.1%

Yes	4
No	3

Yes	4	57.1%
No	3	42.9%

If we change to PPR, how much should each reception be worth?

14.3%42.9%14.3%28.6%

.25	1
.5	2
.75	0
1	1

Don't change scoring to PPR

3

.25	1	14.3%
.5	2	28.6%
.75	0	0%
1	1	14.3%

Don't change scoring to PPR

3

42.9%

Divisions

[Phillip Garcia]

​My interpretation is that .5 would prevail, no re-vote.​

[Kevin Burke]

Okay cool, I'm good with that interpretation.

[Layne Bukhair]

What is a standard PPR? Is it one point or a 0.5 points?

[Kurt Gerken]

There isn't a standard ppr.  Ppr is not standard.  Can be either one.  More about what your preference is on the vote

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[Kevin Burke]

My other league PPR is 1 point, so that's what I'm used to but I know others play in leagues with different values, so it doesn't really matter.

[jeng...@gmail.com]

Glad to see everyone has taken an interest in this vote. That being said, has everyone voted?

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[Kurt Gerken]

Kevin,

How did you know that after you voted, it didn't register your answers?

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[James (Matt) Quinlan]

Phil posted the current results. Phil who are we missing? Start calling peeps out

[Phillip Garcia]

Results current @ 9:30 a.m. 8/19.

[Phillip Garcia]

Poodlesac just voted haha

[Kurt Gerken]

Trey is only one left

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[James (Matt) Quinlan]

KC = poodlesac?

[Kurt Gerken]

yes. voted immediately on my phone and i guess it never registered

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[Kevin Burke]

yeah, i had done it a while back and when phil posted the results i didnt see my name on there, so I redid it

[Phillip Garcia]

It's all good. Trey is the only one left.

[Kurt Gerken]

yeah i redid it on my computer and it worked

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[James (Matt) Quinlan]

In the amount of time Trey spent writing that complain email he could have voted and we'd be done

[Kurt Gerken]

Haha that is so true.

I think it should be noted that Jeff filled his out before Trey and I believe he is in Chile

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[Trey Bahney]

My offer still stands on buying my vote. 

[Trey Bahney]

Haha JK I'll go vote now!

[Trey Bahney]

Ok I think I voted

[Phillip Garcia]

Didn't register Trey. 

[Phillip Garcia]

Phil Garcia

Jason

Matt

Klovans

Steven

Layne

KB

Jeff Brannigan

poodlesac

[Trey Bahney]

How about now?

[Kurt Gerken]

Congrats trey on your vote

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[Trey Bahney]

Haters gonna hate

[Phillip Garcia]

Here are the results, voting is now closed!

[Jason Engle]

Based on the way people filled in the responses. Answers to the questions where the response could have been "no change" when the question was intended to be a "if this happens, then..." the tie breaker will go to the more modest response with respect to the original rule.

Keeper stays at 1
You can trade future keeper
You can still have a keeper if you trade a player in the offseason
You can trade future money from only next year's cap
High limit is $230 per year
No lower limit
Trade deadline is 2 weeks prior to end of season
We will do ppr for .5 points per reception
Keep divisions based on prior years result
All things money and acquisitions stay the same

[Jason Engle]

The trading keepers and future money will not be allowed until after the draft.

[Jeff Brannigan]

Thanks for the props KC. 

Trey - get your shit together. You're embarrassing all of us.

Jeff Brannigan 

[Trey Bahney]

Wait, trading future money isn't allowed until after the draft? How am I supposed to trade my keeper for money in the draft then? I thought that rule would allow for more or less money in this draft. 

[jeng...@gmail.com]

Number 1- I can't alter the amount of money people have in the middle of the draft

Number 2- we can't make a rule that affects how people would have made rosters at the end of last season now

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[Kevin Burke]

How do you trade a future keeper?

Does this mean the person you trade them to gets 2 keepers?

If you trade away your "future keeper" and can still have a keeper, then what's the point? Wouldn't this just be trading players? 

And how do you know who your "future keeper" is since you can select any player on your team to be your keeper?

Or can this trade only take place during the season and not in the offseason?

Sorry, got a couple other things on my mind right now...so my brain isn't processing this completely. As Michael Scott would say, "explain this to me like i'm a 4 year old"

[Jason Engle]

So I should have explained these questions a little better before we voted, but heres what it all meant (everything worked out well)...

During the season trading works the same way it always has.  You trade players fluidly and can now throw in a little future draft money (this is going to make for more trades I bet because you dont have to perfectly match up players and future points).  You dont have to declare a keeper until the day of the next draft.

The idea of "trading a future keeper" had more to do with the way I was describing us making a trade in the offseason.   The players are dead to us besides the one guy we end up keeping.  So if someone has 3-4 good options on their roster that they can sell off, then they will end up with a HUMONGOUS advantage.  The way to limit this advantage is making the rule that if they trade a player in the offseason, then they lose the rights to having a keeper in the upcoming season or you can set a high limit on the amount of money people can obtain (what we did, $230). Do you understand that part of it?

Another issue, which a common sense piece is the idea you cant give away a keeper for free.  For example, it is July and Kevin has Carlos Hyde and CJ Anderson and is debating them for a keeper.  I dont have anyone to use as a keeper and would take either one from Kevin.  I cant trade a random guy on my roster to Kevin since Kevin won't keep that player anyway ie give Kevin Arian Foster for CJ Anderson when Kevin is keeping Carlos Hyde anyway.  Kevin would be "doing me a favor."  It either has to be a keeper for keeper trade or a trade that involves money. 

The commissioner will still have the ability to veto along with a league vote to veto any "unfair" trade.

The trading a future keeper and losing rights to your keeper had to do with the offseason trades.  In my mind I wouldn't want someone who has the 3 amazing options at keeper to be able to keep one of their keepers then sell of the 2 other players for future auction money.  If there wasn't a high limit on the amount money you could obtain, then I would push for the idea that if someone traded away a player in the offseason, then they effectively traded away their rights to their keeper (I believe that was your original question).  But that portion of the rule did not get passed.

The way we are set up right now works well from my point of view.  You can trade away players in the offseason and still have rights to your keeper.  The part that makes it work well (so the league doesn't get completely lopsided), is the $230 high limit on money you can obtain for the 2016 draft.  

Does everyone understand that?  It is pretty simple once you play out a few offseason trading scenarios in your head and how there could be corruption in the system without a few rules.

[Jason Engle]

Maybe longest gmail email I have ever written.  You caught me right after my 2nd cup of coffee this morning...

[Kevin Burke]

haha nice job explaining that....and yes makes much more sense now, thanks! And I agree if we didnt have the max set at $230, then we might have a problem, but looks like we shouldn't have any issues with teams getting an unfair advantage.

[Trey Bahney]

So basically, there is nothing for us to do for this draft but it could potentially help us out next year. 

[jeng...@gmail.com]

Correct. We can't add a rule that would have altered how teams built rosters last year. After this draft that rule becomes live. 

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[Kurt Gerken]

But PPR is for this year correct

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[Jason Engle]

Yes. All these rules start this year. They are all taking effect the moment the draft starts.

[Trey Bahney]

Wait so can I trade draft money for a player during the draft but was already drafted? 

[Jason Engle]

No. We can't alter current money during draft. You can trade next year's money for a player that was drafted this year, but it doesn't need to happen in middle of draft. It can be a verbal agreement in the draft and finalize after the draft.

[Jason Engle]

See my last email on this thread.  We did vote on offseason trades and the majority voted to allow them...

The trading a future keeper and losing rights to your keeper had to do with the offseason trades.  In my mind I wouldn't want someone who has the 3 amazing options at keeper to be able to keep one of their keepers then sell of the 2 other players for future auction money.  If there wasn't a high limit on the amount money you could obtain, then I would push for the idea that if someone traded away a player in the offseason, then they effectively traded away their rights to their keeper (I believe that was your original question).  But that portion of the rule did not get passed.The trading a future keeper and losing rights to your keeper had to do with the offseason trades.  In my mind I wouldn't want someone who has the 3 amazing options at keeper to be able to keep one of their keepers then sell of the 2 other players for future auction money.  If there wasn't a high limit on the amount money you could obtain, then I would push for the idea that if someone traded away a player in the offseason, then they effectively traded away their rights to their keeper (I believe that was your original question).  But that portion of the rule did not get passed.

We won't be able to change that until the next rule vote

KC = poodlesac?

Poodlesac just voted haha

voted!

Phil.........

voted

Voted

I voted

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