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Facts are facts and they are irrevocable - even her staunchest admirer
can LISTEN and HONESTLY comment upon.But first-n-foremost - let NANI brush up the attic of his RADDI and
advise the forum of the possibility of my 'pointer'.Q 1 - Has such an incident ever happened in her career of 'recorded
music' ?The answer to the above from NANI should be : YES or NO ( nothing
more, please !)- If the answer is YES, Nani should provide further details of the
same. AND- If the answer is NO or NEVER - he should accept his 'study' as
'slipshod' leaving much to be desired.Now, the question that emerges automatically - how does one DEFINE
'besur / besura' from/by a singer of the stature of LATA MANGESHKAR !
- the various possibilitiesLet NANI himself define it before the forum so that he cannot back-
track his statement made & secondly, the forum can come to know as to
how the experienced NANI perceives my pointer.22/2
Jay , you have raised a good question and chosen right person to
answar you. ( but the moot point is who has appointed you to ask
questions -must be you your self)
any way you can not tell him how he should reply you.Let him reply -
only if he feels like- in his own way. you hav no right to put
yourself on higher level than him..
With the deep knowledge you claim to have you could have also answred
it if at all you had any answar And to my knowledge,
Besur/Besura ha nothing to do with singer's stature.
One questions rses in my mind while reading your messages - if you
think these group consists of fools why do you post ?.
Prof hi never replies you.Also He does not bark at the Dog who barks
at him/
sorry I am trying to be as blunt as you but I know Ican never match
your arrogance.Defeat accepted.
Bharat Pandya...
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I assume that you are not expecting this to be responded by Shri DN
alone. Hence venturing to put my thoughts forth. Gustakhi maaf.Have you heard songs like Ai sanam aaj ye kasam khaye , or yalla yalla
dil le gaye. In the high pitch part of the song, at least I get a
feeling that LM has done a valiant effort to reach those notes but has
fallen short.To be fair, I have not scanned those songs with frequency meter. Nor
am I tone perfect. So obviously my views are very very subjective.I had written earlier on this topic, long back.Jay have you thought about converting your queries to a discussion
form? That might lead to some constructive discussion. This particular
topic could have been presented as : " I, Jay believe that LM has
become besuri in songs X, Y and Z. What you guys think about it?Instead of always trying to plumb the depth of the collective
ignorance (in not your so humble opinion) can you dazzle us with your
brilliance occassionally?regards,Sunil
In this forum, there are so many rmimers who are staunch fans of LM
and her repertoire. Even the most frivolous songs of LM are given so
much attention by the individuals concerned. Then, there are also the
'technically qualified in Hindustani Music" who form another group of
the Lata-cult. There are also 'statisticians of the LM-cult
maintaining upto memorablia...in such a manner of perfection that
NOTHING..just NOTHING about the diva can go missing or left out !Yes or No , Vinayak ji??Under the circumstances and with so much 'ammunition of knowledge on
LM', why are they in a state of inertia ?Its their turn now to respond24/2\
Au contraire! Lata is perhaps the most discussed artiste on RMIM, but
she isn't always praised here, as you blithely put it. She has been
heavily criticised on RMIM on many occasions, and certainly praised on
many others. In fact, after reading RMIM, I have come to know several
rare Lata songs, but more importantly, I have learned to appreciate
her better (not more, but *better*). I am surprised you accuse RMIMers
of being part of a Lata cult! Moreover, what is your grouse if some
people were staunch fans of her repertoire? So were Naushad, Salil
Chaudhary, Madan MOhan, S D Burman and even O P Nayyar.Coming to your point about frivolous songs of Lata being given too
much coverage, how do you define frivolous? Are you saying happy,
peppy songs should never be discussed? Or are you saying that
whichever song you find frivolous shouldn't be discussed? Coming to
the main topic of this thread, how do you define besuraa? I have
observed that the perception of what is besuraa varies greatly amongst
people. For instance, I find that nowadays Yesudas sounds besuraa
almost consistently, but he has a sizeable community of fans who swear
that he still sounds as beautiful as (or even better than) he did when
he was 25 years old. When I attend Carnatic concerts where the artiste
renders the raaga Thodi, I sit transfixed, but I know people (mostly
those weaned on Hindustani music) who feel that the Carnatic Thodi
sounds hopelessly besuraa. So could you care to clearly explain what
you mean by besuraa or atleast give examples where you find Lata to
have gone off key, so as to have a meaningful discussion?
By your own admission, you limit yourself to your 78 rpm collection. A
lot of music has been produced that you don't have or listen to. So
you are not a cine music addict. You are not a LATA fan therefore you
are not a LATA addict. So just forget talking about Lata and limit
yourself to the music that you continuously research.You have nothing to offer to most people. Be happy with a few
bhaktas.The rest of the world is happy to get its music and
information from You Tube, Profji's website, Geet Kosh, WikiPedia and
many sources that make you irrelevant.Only service you provide is entertainment of a different kind.PSCB87
25/2
> I assume that you are not expecting this to be responded by Shri DN
> alone. Hence venturing to put my thoughts forth. Gustakhi maaf.
>
> Have you heard songs like Ai sanam aaj ye kasam khaye , or yalla yalla
> dil le gaye. In the high pitch part of the song, at least I get a
> feeling that LM has done a valiant effort to reach those notes but has
> fallen short.
>
> To be fair, I have not scanned those songs with frequency meter. Nor
> am I tone perfect. So obviously my views are very very subjective.
>
> I had written earlier on this topic, long back.
>
> Jay have you thought about converting your queries to a discussion
> form? That might lead to some constructive discussion. This particular
> topic could have been presented as : " I, Jay believe that LM has
> become besuri in songs X, Y and Z. What you guys think about it?
>
> Instead of always trying to plumb the depth of the collective
> ignorance (in not your so humble opinion) can you dazzle us with your
> brilliance occassionally?
>
> regards,
>
> Sunil
In my very humble opinion, during the period of 1955 to 1975, when the
Diva was at the peak of her box office and vocal prowess (and one can
stretch a couple of years backwards from 1955), barring O P Nayyar and
perhaps, Kalyanji Anandji (whose forte was male solos), every other
composer reserved his/her best tunes for Lata. SJ, Naushad and RD's
body of work may provide a debatable counter argument, but Lata was
the fulcrum of all that is good in HFM from 1955 to 1975. And when you
think that composers like MM, SC, Roshan, Chitragupt, SD, CR, Anil-
babu, Jaidev, Khaiyyam were operational during this period, the
respect for the Diva grows manifold.Sunil, I'm somewhat in agreement with your views about some strain in
her vocal chords in some duets. Any solos that come to mind? (This is
an earnest question & not a rhetorical one!)Regards.
You are seriously deluded if you think that Lata was at her peak when
she sang in Sangam or Guide or Anand or Amar Prem as compared to her
1951-1953 output in Malhar, Badi Bahoo, Shikast, Jhanjhar. The first
strain or screeching I can recall is in 'main piyaa terii' (1956-ish)
but a blemish here or there says nothing about a singer's overall
ability. And I am not taking into account several songs where I think
she and the composer just got it wrong and messed up the song. Compare
her superior solos to Meena Kapoor's versions in Anokha Pyar, and then
consider her infantile singing in 'ab yaad na kar' in the same film
with Mukesh. Meena Kapoor has sung the duet as a song should be sung.
Lata sounds hopelessly lost in her version, almost as if she is
purposely singing in a mocking tone in her own kitchen.Fast forwarding to approx 1960, in 'jhaalaa
saakharapuDaa' (Mohityanchi Manjula, singing her own tune around
1960), a friend thinks it should have been one sur lower. I see his
point, but she might have calculated that she gained more than she
lost by not coming down by one sur.- dn
I remember Vish used to say that the first time he heard Lata's voice
break was in "Kanchi re kanchi re" from "Hare Rama Hare
Krishna" (around "bas chup ri rehna ....."). I am not sure how serious
he was. I would think that given the huge number of songs she has sung
before that and the limitations of that period (single take of
everyone, cost involved in booking studios and various artists etc.),
I would think she would have gone besura a few times though she was
technically better than all her contemporaries. Also, I don't remember
any RMIMers, Lata fan or otherwise, claiming that Lata was never
besura. In fact, most hate her songs from 80s and 90s (some even
70s).One song where I find her off-key is in the Ek Saal song by Ravi, "Sab
kuch luta ke".Kalyan
I used the 2 decade span as the period of vocal and box-office
supremacy. It need not necessarily be a complete overlap.That said, there are enough and more songs of the Diva in the first
half of the 70-s that fall in the all time great category for me.
Primarily due to the Burmans. More credit to the junior one, though.I'm perfectly comfortable even if I do not have many supporters of
this view.Regards.