weights #2385
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mega-rexia
by Mandaru, Dan M <Dan.M....@team.telstra.com>
Incledon Seminar
by Laree Draper <ldr...@davedraper.com>
Interferon beta-1a?
by Saundra Scott <saun...@hotmail.com>
knee pain?
by browncy <bro...@auburn.edu>
Re: Music......
by Neil Hodge <nho...@yahoo.com>
Re: Music
by James Krieger <jkri...@wsu.edu>
Posts
by Brian Todd Gearity <bgea...@JCVAXA.jcu.edu>
Venice Gold's webcam
by Gary Hanson <uce...@yahoo.com>
pseudoephedrine?
by Ian Reilly <bat...@tig.com.au>
Re: Music
by Loren Chiu <loren...@hotmail.com>
Re: "The MASTER Critic Siff"
by Chad Reilly <chadr...@home.com>
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Subject: mega-rexia
From: "Mandaru, Dan M" <Dan.M....@team.telstra.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:10:44 -0700
Have others been disturbed, as I have been, by the trend to portray men who
go to gyms as only being interested in how they are perceived by other
people, (especially women)? And that they only work out to achieve the
"abs of steel" and look BIG for parading on the beach?
This view has become quite prevalent in the media in Australia recently
and, in my view, completely ignores the healthy lifestyle aspects of
training, the need to maintain a balance in your life between work, family
and recreational activities and the (dare I say it) fun and challenge in
improving your strength and technique. I've even heard the need for
training compared to an anorexic condition or to women trying to look like
thin models- I think that goes too far and overstates the desire too train
and undervalues the devastation caused by such eating disorders.
Is this an issue for others?
Cheers, Dan
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Subject: Incledon Seminar
From: Laree Draper <ldr...@davedraper.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:08:22 -0700
Dave and I went to Tom Incledon's six-hour Performance Nutrition seminar
yesterday and I wanted to drop y'all a quick note to encourage you to go if
ever you find one within a few hours of you. It was fantastic! This is
cutting-edge supplement and nutrition science, explained in a way that
shows why we - the general public - gets so confused with the
seemingly-conflicting information.
I couldn't keep up with him in my note taking, so while I'm sorting out all
the information, I'm glad to know he's on the list so I can get my
questions answered here!
They were video-taping yesterday and will have the tapes for sale for $40.
The seminar promoter's (Paul) email address is nutri...@home.com if
you want to grab a copy.
Thanks again, Tom - and to everyone else.... go if you get the opportunity.
Laree Draper
http://davedraper.com
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Subject: Interferon beta-1a?
From: "Saundra Scott" <saun...@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:08:47 -0700
I hope someone can help me with my questions on medications my
doctor has prescribed. Because I have multiple sclerosis, I have to take
the interferon beta-1a shot once a week for the rest of my life. So far,
it has helped my MS; however, I want to know if this drug will hinder my
muscular growth since it is an intermuscular injection. Another
question I have relates to drug interferance. I am taking
cyclobenzaprine, a muscle relaxer, for a pre-existing back injury.
Currently, I can't lift because of my injury. It is really frustrating,
but I know I have to nurture my back. I have also been taking Metabolift
to help shed a few pounds. Will cyclobenzaprine cancel out the effects of
Ephredrine? Any suggestions and answers are greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Saundra Scott saun...@hotmail.com
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Subject: knee pain?
From: browncy <bro...@auburn.edu>
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:10:12 -0700
I'm having problems with knee pain and its keeping me from doing squats. I
did squats in football (2 years ago), then quit doing them after football
because of hemmhoriods (that was my fault - we maxed out one day and I
didn't even warm up, and then I ignored the pain for too long... I would
strongly discourage this). I started back about 6 months ago, and have
been going pretty heavy the last four months. Recently, I had a sharp pain
in my knees and couldn't finish my first set. So I thought no big deal,
I'll take a week off and give my knees a break. My next workout, I could
only do about four reps, and it was only about 75% the weight I had been
using. The next week I tried to forget the pain and use my old weight, but
I only did one set. So three weeks later here I am and I haven't squatted
since. When I touch the top of my knees, they feel like they're bruised.
Its starting to hurt when I sit down or go up stairs. Anyone have/had
similar problems? I'm probably going to take it easy for yet *another*
week, then probably go see the doctor.
But, I figure you guys would probably know more than a regular doctor...
especially the part about my knees feeling like they're bruised on top. By
top I mean the actual top of the knee when you're standing up... not the
knee cap. Anyone ever had pain there? Would knee wraps help? I really
don't care much about screwing up my knees - I just want to be able to
squat so I can run faster and jump higher because I'm chasing a dream. If
there's any way, any secret, I can use to get by the pain long enough to
finish a workout, I'm all ears..
thanks,
Derek Brown
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Subject: Re: Music......
From: Neil Hodge <nho...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:16:51 -0700
A few comments:
* Definitely get a mp3 player. I see people having some incredibly
clutsy and potentially dangerous moments while trying and typically
failing to control their CD players, and cassette tapes just sound like
crap in comparison.
* rep9's list is pretty good. Add to it old Metallica (Kill 'Em All,
Master of Puppets, Ride the Lightening), and Ministry (A Mind is a
Terrible Thing to Taste, The Land of Rape and Honey, Psalm69) and you
will have a pretty endorphin-producing soundtrack.
Another type of music that is sometimes good, if you are into it, is
hardcore old school salsa music. And even more so if you can understand
the words. Not only are those old Cubans and Colombians good ass
musicians, but I didn't even know what the word "calcinate" was before I
heard the spanish equivalent in a salsa song.
[Is old school salsa what came before gangsta salsa? -MTS]
Neil Hodge
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Subject: Re: Music
From: "James Krieger" <jkri...@wsu.edu>
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:15:47 -0700
Yngwie Malmsteen...nothing beats the best guitar player in the world to
lift to! For a workout that ain't dead, listen to shred!
[I can't think of a workout-related rhyme that goes with
"lead singer". -MTS]
JK
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Subject: Posts
From: Brian Todd Gearity <bgea...@JCVAXA.jcu.edu>
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:18:37 -0700
When I was reading Weights #2381 (check reference below)I noticed
something I said in a previous post. I went back to check my quote of, "For
me then, and still now, HIT is the program (I know others can/will
disagree) I would use."
I mistakenly left out the word 'not' in my sentence. I would not use HIT
in my program. However, as Dr. Siff was quick to point out
"**Another error is to dismiss all forms of HIT out of hand. "
I wasn't aware that I dismissed all forms of HIT. I never said that in
my email, nor did I intend to. There is a time and place for everything.
One popular quote than can be heard at weightlifting clinics is, "There are
1,000 ways to skin a cat."
Some of the ways I've thought of using HIT are for variety, lack of
time, lack of adequate preparation, lack of equipment, lack of personal,
during the hypertrophy phase of a macrocycle, and of course a personal
preference among coaches.
Dr. Siff also stated:
The ideal plan is a blend or"conjugation" of several different methods,
which, like the gears in a car,enable the athlete to best overcome
conditions at a given time for a given sport.
Although I have no references to offer, I am aware that Dr. Steven
Fleck (as he stated in at a Columbus clinic)is performing some of his
latest research on the topic of 'conjugation' training. From what I
understand, it is a scheme where reps/sets/volume/intensity are constantly
be changed so adaptation to one form of training is never fully possible.
Dr. Siff also stated:
***A major problem is that dogmatic popularizes of the classic Matveyev
model of periodisation seem to think that periodisation is an exact
quantitative science in which calculation of precise numerical measures of
volume and intensity via some or other handy computer program unequivocally
leads to greater progress than far more subjective types of training
organisation.
I never said I was sitting at my computer designing programs where all I
have to enter is a 1RM and out comes a workout. Lifting is very much more
complex than that. It is the role of the S&C Coach to teach the lifter many
aspects rather than "here is your workout, go do it."
I am sure many here are certified in CPR, as I am. Then we all know
that according to the American Red Cross, the recommend (for adults) when
giving cardiopulmonary resuscitation a ratio of 15compressions to
2breathes. However, if I gave 14 compressions or 16 compressions, would
that victim die as a result of +/- one compression. I doubt it.
This is analogous to weightlifting. If someone does +/- 1 rep, will
that not see results, I doubt it. It is common to maximize strength with
less reps, but a consistent lifter will not be ruined by +/- 1 rep.
The purpose of this post is to clarify my position on this topic. I've
recently read text from a NFL football team that endorsed HIT. The stated
that power cleans and plyometrics do not build expressiveness and are not
sport specific to football. To this statement I strongly disagree. The NFL
coaches continued on to say that at the professional level that most
important aspect was keeping the players on the field and to keep them
healthy. To this I agree, and understand why the choose HIT.
Use what fits in your situation. To this regard though, I hope the
followers of HIT remember that it is usually an exhausting workout. I would
want to make sure my players I not to tired to play. Which I'm sure they
try.
As I am only a senior at a university, I will undoubtedly have many
more experiences of gathering knowledge and analyzing it more throughly.
But what I will always keep in mind is the 'big picture.' Having been
raised in a liberal home and attending a liberal arts school, there is much
more than, 'this is the way things are done.' Many times those things turn
out to not to be practical, thereby being impossible to do.
As I said in my previous post, as I ask and debate with others, I will
still try to offer some knowledge of my own. I'm sure others are doing it
and others have said it before, but let us suppose at a university the
athletes are suppose to 'test out.' Where they will perform 1RM or 3RM, or
any respective RM. For the power clean, the coach should not only make not
of the weight being lifted, but the technique. A checklist, using form as
the criteria, should be implemented. For example, the coach would check off
for straight arms, hip/knee/ankle extension and so on. An athlete who lifts
with poor technique would be required and taught, better technique. When
the athlete tests the following year (or month, whatever it may be) the
coach should not make note of the new technique. The coach would also want
to check to see if strength gains in other areas lead to an improvement in
the clean, or if technique was the cause.
Just a thought of some practical use. I often see athletes at my
university use horrendous technique, I was once (and on occasion still am)
one of those athletes. After studying cleaning and taking courses on it,
I've improved significantly.
Brian Gearity
Senior, John Carroll University
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Subject: Venice Gold's webcam
From: Gary Hanson <uce...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:19:42 -0700
The Gold's Gym in Venice (CA) has a webcam. Try it:
http://www.discovery.com/cams/body/body.html
Suzanna, Rosemary, Jim, (or anyone else) wave at the
camera sometime, okay?
--Gary Hanson
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Subject: pseudoephedrine?
From: "Ian Reilly" <bat...@tig.com.au>
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:19:06 -0700
I have a question for Thomas Incledon, or failing that, any reputable
weights.net member... I am planning to "lean out" over eight weeks
starting August 1, and I would like to include some style of thermogenic
to aid my progress. As the common ECA stack is unavailable,( in Australia,
ephedrine is illegal ), would the readily available Pseudoephedrine be any
sort of substitute. I have heard some reports of toxicity, but at what
level, and is it a cumulative toxicity, or mainly an overdose problem? I
may be able to "source" some of the real E if necessary, but Pseudo is way
cheaper. I await your thoughts Radar Sydney Australia
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Subject: Re: Music
From: "Loren Chiu" <loren...@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:13:41 -0700
>From: Enzo S Torino <enzo....@bms.com>
>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:47:31 -0700
>
>Depends on the mood I'm in. But my taste in music truly runs the gamut.
This is a thought that many people should pay attention to. I like the
death metal/hard rock stuff as much as the next guy, but is this the
universal prescription for all weight trainers? There seems to be a
seeming connection between heavy metal and, well, heavy metal. But is this
the best music to train to?
[Listen to "Raining Blood" one more time. The answer is "Yes!" ;-) -MTS]
Let me make a "radical" suggestion as to music. There isn't any science to
back this up, but maybe some people out there might want to try this out.
In fact, this goes beyond just music during the workout, it extends to
music before and after the workout as well.
After "much ado about nothing," here go my thoughts:
Before training (eg. driving to gym): Some type of music that elicits an
emotional response, depending on the emotional state you want when you're
training (this in itself is worthy of another post). I've found that movie
soundtracks are excellent for this (based on a recommendation from a good
friend). I also like country music for this. Your choice will depend on
your personna.
During training: Silence, or quiet music (no heavy base, rhythm, etc.) at
low volume in the background. As an olympic weightlifter, I find that any
music that is too loud distracts me from the task at hand. This might not
be a problem for the bodybuilder or fitness type "going for the burn:)"
After training (eg. driving home/to work): Relaxing music. I found this
helps, if for nothing else to reduce the aggression I have after training,
which tends to show up in my driving habits (can you say road rage?).
Again, country music does the trick for me here.
Now all this may seem sacriligous to the "hardcore" trainers out there, but
I just don't think hard rock is the way to go.
Loren Chiu
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Subject: Re: "The MASTER Critic Siff"
From: Chad Reilly <chadr...@home.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:21:35 -0700
> Subject: Re: "The MASTER Critic Siff" Or just plain GOD
> From: "David Driscoll" <driscol...@hotmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:35:54 -0700
> so is this then to say that everything they say or write is gold because it
> worked for you or your friends? is all of their work beyond criticisms and
> review? ask Dr Siff ANY question about what he writes (cue for chad!!)
Sorry, bad timing on that cue:).
> and
> he will back it with more than - because that's the right way, i've found
> that works best etc. There will be scientific references, references from
> other coaches and professionals, links to websites, and when that doesn't
> exist - a theory based in physiology / biomechanics or another related
> discipline.
I recently asked Mel to back up some of his statements about plyometrics
and PNF on the weights-2 list and I found the responses to be rather
disappointing to say the least, clearly evasive to say it most
accurately, IMO. If anyone is interested the exchange between us is
documented in the archives here:
http://www.angelfire.com/pe/txpls/archives.html
My first post was in digest number 999 and my last in digest number
1027. I don't expect there to be anymore because I think Mel has
decided it is no longer in his best interest longer correspond with me
on these subjects. I personally thought my post in digest 1027 was
really hard to ignore but...
> for a year and a half i've been sending charles e-mails at testosterone.net
> regarding an inconsistency in polliquin principles,
I gave up quicker than that (writing letters to testosterone.net) so I
agree Poliquin isn't about answering questions that might make him look
bad. I agree with most of Mel's criticisms but as I pointed out above
I was disappointed to find that Mel isn't to interested in answering
questions that will make him look bad either.
I know this will fall on deaf ears but Mel could try to support his
assertions on plyometric and PNF training here on this list.
cr
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