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Re: Shoulder injury
by Rob Steffens <human_f...@hotmail.com>
Re: Some thoughts on LBM and fat loss
by Arnab Ghosh <phu...@mindless.com>
Re: Stretch marks
by <ka...@cornell.edu>
Training-Nutrition Manager Software demo available
by Charles Staley <sta...@myodynamics.com>
Upright Rows?
by Edward Cohen <tcr...@home.com>
Zercher lifts?
by Laree Draper <ldr...@davedraper.com>
Bulgarian training
by Piers Redmore <pred...@weber.ucsd.edu>
Olympic Lifting in Virginia or North Carolina?
by John King <ki...@gamewood.net>
Questions
by Yves Lavoie <lavo...@hotmail.com>
Re: NO NEW SPORTS GROUPS !!!
by David Kortz <david....@medtronic.com>
Re: NO NEW SPORTS GROUPS !!!
by <christi...@key3media.com>
Re: Stretch marks
by Enzo S Torino <enzo....@bms.com>
Importing Biotest stuff into Australia?
by Tim Mansfield <tim...@dstc.edu.au>
Visible Abs?
by Norman Norman <heats...@hotmail.com>
Re: Testosterone Replacement
by Jamie Allonby <Jamie....@EuropaEngineering.com>
WeightsNet Advanced Warning
by Michael Sullivan <sull...@WeightsNet.com>
Re: Visible Abs?
by Supapecs <supe...@softhome.net>
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Subject: Re: Shoulder injury
From: "Rob Steffens" <human_f...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:22:11 -0700
This might be a bit long winded, but I hope it helps......
I sent this back on Jan. 29th, 2000.
I had the surgery on April 25, 2000.....
>>
I just got back from the Surgeon's.
It was a consultation to review the findings of the MRI on my left
shoulder. (I'm left handed)
He first diagnosed it as an inflamed bicep tendon.
He explained that he felt that since I was "toughing it out" and the
cortisone shots had helped at the time, an MRI wasn't needed.
Since then, my shoulder isn't tracking well, and actually gets hung up at
times. The cortisone has worn off, and the shoulder is very sore and very
weak.
The results of the MRI are as follows:
1. Thickening and abnormal signal within the supraspinatus and
infraspinatus tendons which likely represent long standing tendinosis or
evidence of long standing full thickness tear, some of which may be
filled in with granulation tissue.
2. Mild narrowing of the acromial outlet and severe degenerative changes
involving the acromioclavicular joint.
I tore it lifting a glulam beam on a construction site, so it's cover by
Worker's Comp.
I think the degeneration is from 22 years of swinging a framing hammer,
building houses and 25 years of playing baseball as a pitcher.
(Which is probably the reason I took up hockey, this year, instead)
<<
This is where it stands now...... 8/11/00
I hate hospitals and doctors...... so I wasn't looking forward to this.
They put a camera in through my back, to recon the situation. They
basically decided they needed to open me up. 2-1/2'" cut in my shoulder.
They repaired the rotator cuff, took (what I think) was a pretty big part
of my collar bone out. Put a pin in my shoulder and sewed me up.
After a successful surgery, (general anesthesia) I immediately checked
myself out of the hospital...... (it was scheduled as an overnighter)
The best part..... was I never needed any pain medication after the
surgery. Nothing in the recovery room or in the short time I spent in my
hospital room. By the next day, I had the sling off. In 2 days, I was
driving to the jobsites. By that Friday...... I was seriously considering
going back in, to have the other shoulder done, since it is much worse....
but not as important as my left arm.
At 6 weeks, I was playing hockey competitively.
Now the bad news.......
At two weeks..... I was REALLY happy I didn't have the other shoulder done.
Man, was I in some constant uncomfortable pain. Large doses of anti-inflams
were the only thing that helped.
Before the injury, I could bench press 350 pounds.
12 weeks after, bench pressing an empty bar, was very painful.
It is a slow recovery.
Sleeping through the night was my biggest problem.
The stiffness in my shoulder, in the morning, or after sitting still for a
few minutes.... is extremely painful and hard to describe to anyone who
hasn't had the surgery.
I will say, that I've REALLY pressed the limits, and have upset many a
doctor and physical therapist by playing hockey after only 6 weeks and
"weightlifting" (not physical therapy type weight training) at 12 weeks.
As of this writing, (15 weeks) I can now press about 170 6-8 times (4
sets). Gains are coming really fast... so I don't have many worries about
making the wrong decision. It's still stiff in the morning..... and I can't
wait till those cold rainy mornings start to come around.
All in all, it seems to be working out.
Rob Steffens
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Subject: Re: Some thoughts on LBM and fat loss
From: Arnab Ghosh <phu...@mindless.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:22:39 -0700
Bernie Hayden wrote:
> By definition any work regime that
> exceeds a few minutes in duration must be aerobic. The same for interval
> work. While the work intervals may be anaerobic the majority of the
> workout must be in the aerobic zone.
Not true. By definition, any oxidation of carbohydrate in the absence of
oxygen (i.e. glycolytic oxidation) is anaerobic. While the heart rate
might stay elevated during a circuit-style workout, that says nothing about
the oxygen availability to any given muscle. So, while working ONE muscle
(or group of muscles) for a length of time might result in aerobic
metabolism, just because heart rate is elevated doesn't mean that aerobic
pathways are used when different muscles are being used.
Arn.
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Subject: Re: Stretch marks
From: ka...@cornell.edu
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:22:59 -0700
On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Rosemary Wedderburn wrote:
> You can try rubbing
> Vitamin E oil into the areas where the stretch marks are starting to
> form. You might see if you can locate a product by Jason which is a 25
> 000 IU cream. Another possibility is to use cocoa butter based skin
> cream.
Can anything be done after stretch marks have already formed?
Thanks,
Kris
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Subject: Training-Nutrition Manager Software demo available
From: Charles Staley <sta...@myodynamics.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:23:17 -0700
Just a quick note to let everyone know that I've made a free demonstration
model (limited access) of the Myo Dynamics Training-Nutrition Manager
fitness tracking software available as an automatic download from
myodynamics.com. The URL to download from is:
http://myodynamics.com/demo/index.html.
Thank You!
Charles Staley
Myo Dynamics
(800) 519-2492
http://www.myodynamics.com
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Subject: Upright Rows?
From: "Edward Cohen" <tcr...@home.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:23:39 -0700
What do you guys and girls on the list think about this exercise, I think
my shoulder problems began when I stopped doing it.
Tks for any input, Ed
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Subject: Zercher lifts?
From: Laree Draper <ldr...@davedraper.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:23:52 -0700
>2. Specializing in weak points makes a difference - doing JM presses and
>board presses helps the sticking point in the bench, pause benches, speed
>bench and push presses (yes, push presses) have helped break sticking
>points from the bottom of the movement. Likewise kneeling squats, front
>squats, Zercher lifts and overhead squats and all of the other permutations
>of the squat have helped my back squat improve.
What are Zercher lifts? In fact, I'm not sure what kneeling squats are either.
I know exercise descriptions are hard via email, but could you expand a little?
Thanks,
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Subject: Bulgarian training
From: Piers Redmore <pred...@weber.ucsd.edu>
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:19:53 -0700
> Several years ago, a well known WL coach in my area started experimenting
> w/a Bulgarianlike approach to training. 6 days/week, fairly high intensity
> and high volume - ave intensity was probably between 82 and 87% with
> frequent attempts at 90 - 100% and some weeks had as many as 700 reps.
> BTW, the only thing that was considered a rep were lifts above 75% in only
> the following exercises SN, PSN, C&J, PC&J, J, PP, SNPull, CLPull, RDL,
> BSQ, FSQ, GM. Things like overhead presses and hyperextensions were not
> included in the volume calculation.
>
> My first reaction to all of this was that it was crazy, but when the
> results of all of his lifters started going through the roof, I became
> curious and decided to join this WL Club. Although general fatigue and
> joint soreness was much higher in the beginning, the progress I made was
> worth it. I continue to try and maintain such a schedule, and notice that
> my strength suffers with less frequent and intense training.
>
> It is my opinion that most people who strength train in this country are so
> brainwashed by this notion of resting at least 1 day between workouts.
Could there be some reason why olympic style weightlifters can train more
frequently than other weight trainers? Perhaps the absence of concentric
movements in the classical lifts places less stress on the body? Or would
the body adapt to frequent training with any type of exercise?
Or, could it be due to some differences in the types of people who take up
Olymipc style lifting. Perhaps fast-twitch muscle fibers recover faster
than slow-twitch muscle fibers. Since good olymipc lifters tend to have a
higher percentage of fast twitch fibers than the general population,
perhaps this means they can train more often. Does anyone out there know if
there's a difference in recovery times between muscle fibre types?
Or, since olympic lifters have to maintain weight, they tend not to
increase muscle mass. Perhaps training for hypertrophy requires more rest
than training for strength.
I think these are interesting questions. Does anyone have any ideas? Chad
or Mel, or anyone else have any answers?
> Here is where I think you hit the nail on the head Mel. I think the main
> reason why more frequent intense training may not catch on in this country
> is that people are afraid to commit to that kind of work. The notion of
> HAVING to rest a day between workouts is very appealing to the average
> trainee.
So you think that the reason that non-olympic lifters train less frequently
than other types of trainees is psychological rather than physological?
Could it be that there are different ways to gain strength, but olympic
lifters choose high volume methods because they need to train technique as
well as strength?
I don't have any answers, but I think this would be an interesting
discussion.
Piers
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Subject: Olympic Lifting in Virginia or North Carolina?
From: "John King" <ki...@gamewood.net>
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:20:18 -0700
Was wondering if there is any olympic training center in Virginia area? or
North Carolina?
Is there anyone who might help with olympic technique.......... I have been
working on the lifts for 3 or 4 months and would love to get a few looks at
the technique of others and also have them check out and critique my
technique.
If not in the area.........where might I have to go to get some help?
Thanks,
John King
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Subject: Questions
From: "Yves Lavoie" <lavo...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:20:46 -0700
Hi, I'm 17 and I have cerebral palsy. I have been lifting weights for about
a year. 3 weeks ago I pulled a back muscle (not by lifting weights). It
still hurts when I try to lift weights. How much more time should I rest? I
was lifting about three times a week Should I change my routine when I
start over?
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Subject: Re: NO NEW SPORTS GROUPS !!!
From: "David Kortz" <david....@medtronic.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:19:28 -0700
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Mcs...@aol.com wrote: ** May I presume that you have written similar
welcoming letters to every new weights and fitness discussion group that
comes on line (and there are many of them)? If you were a customer of a
given supermarket chain , would you write similar letters of objection
to every new supermarket chain that opened up?
<clip>
I've been on this Weights list for many years and really like it. Even
though many lists and web sites have come and gone, I can count on the
fact that THIS list is consistently organized, well maintained and
includes thoughtful discussion from a large pool of worthwhile sources.
I appreciate the work that Mr. Sullivan continues to do on this list and
applaud his efforts and results.
I can't resist asking you Mcs...@aol.com if new supermarkets would ever
advertise their new stores by hanging unpaid announcements INSIDE
existing supermarkets?
I think it would be considered "bad manners."
Good luck with your new group.
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Subject: Re: NO NEW SPORTS GROUPS !!!
From: christi...@key3media.com
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:18:59 -0700
Mcs...@aol.com said:
>>
Come to think of it, over the years I cannot recall noticing that you have
contributed very much information to the WeightsNet list.
<<
Over the years, huh? Funny, I don't remember seeing your name at all on
this list four years ago, when I joined, nor did I ever see it in the more
prominent weightlifting newsgroups 8 years ago (like misc.fitness before it
became mfw, etc.). I do post, but often not from this e-mail address, as I
access my accounts from different places at different times.
I do appreciate your views now, and I do read them with great interest. I
do think, however, that simply posting a new group on this list could have
been done so with some acknowledgement to MTS. After all, it would pull
traffic away, at some level, from this group. As it is, some newbies think
this is "your" list. I'm all for community on the Web, but dilution is
always a danger as more people flock to the Net.
Unless you asked him if he'd mind beforehand, of course. If so, please
forgive my intrusion.
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Subject: Re: Stretch marks
From: Enzo S Torino <enzo....@bms.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:19:59 -0700
I would say using the same protocol mentioned by Rosemary is your best bet
at lightening the stretch mark. The only way I've heard that will get rid
of them is cosmetic surgery. Dr. Rick Silverman (accomplished cosmetic
surgeon and bodybuilder), who is a member on this list, may be able to
provide some insight.
~E
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Subject: Importing Biotest stuff into Australia?
From: Tim Mansfield <tim...@dstc.edu.au>
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:20:16 -0700
I'm interested in importing some Biotest stuff into Australia for
personal use. Could anyone who has done it (either directly from the US
or from the NZ distributor, First Nutrition) or is interested in doing
it contact me?
Tim.
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Subject: Visible Abs?
From: "Norman Norman" <heats...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:21:09 -0700
Do you have any suggestions on how I might be able to create visual
abdominal muscles? Any certain excersizes, diet, machines? Please respond
to this message, and I thank you for doing so.
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Subject: Re: Testosterone Replacement
From: Jamie Allonby <Jamie....@EuropaEngineering.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:20:54 -0700
Theres a letter in this months hardgainer asking the same question the
answer basically comes up eith every steroid side affect under the sun
and says its not neccesary. I`ve not go the magazine with me but let me
know if you want a bit more detail.
Jamie
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Subject: Re: Visible Abs?
From: Supapecs <supe...@softhome.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:12:27 -0700
Just remember you can do all the crunches in the world but your abs will
never show until you shed bodyfat. I recommend the Animalbolics diet. It
worked for me and quickly too I might add. It's all about manipulating your
hormones. Check it out.
http://www.ironmag.com/im_animalbolics.html
CoLiN.
http://www8.50megs.com/pumpin/
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