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Re: BOW-FLEX
by Eric Geoffrey Vann <eric...@beezodogsplace.com>
carpal tunnel exercises???
by <Kbur...@aol.com>
Rr: INTERMITTENT CREATINE
by Bodyworks Fitness Centre <al...@bodyworksuk.com>
More Gym Rules
by Trent Volz <fs...@aurora.uaf.edu>
Re: Tanita Bodyfat Scale
by gary hanson <uce...@yahoo.com>
Re: Training/Nutrition Software?
by Constantine, Steve <SCon...@mnc.com>
Re: Training/Nutrition Software?
by Thomas Incledon <hps...@mediaone.net>
Re: Training/Nutrition Software?
by The Center Health & Fitness, Inc <c...@peganet.com>
A Brief History of Medecine
by Prevost <mpre...@access1.net>
Re: ACE vs ISSA
by Thomas Incledon <hps...@mediaone.net>
Re: Bicep tendinitis
by wedderburn <wedde...@utech.net>
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Subject: Re: BOW-FLEX
From: Eric Geoffrey Vann <eric...@beezodogsplace.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 06:24:54 -0700
gary hanson <uce...@yahoo.com> wrote the following on 10/27/99 11:07 AM
> Ultimately, if you're willing to spend close to
>$1000 for weight-training equipment that's not
>destined to be a coat rack, you'd probably be best off
>getting 'real' free-weight equipment, or just use the
>money to pay for a membership in a decent gym.
Gary:
If you work out alone and thus have no spotter the Bowflex is still a
better option. Agreed the price is steep, but what you get is the ability
to work against very smooth resistance which does not weigh much in and
of itself. This makes it ideal for rolling into the closet out of the way
for when guests are over.
The ideal condidate for a Bowflex is someone who wants to get a good
upper body workout and needs to conserve space. When I sold my Bowflex to
buy a Cybex PG400 I gave up some floor space in my basement. I felt the
tradeoff was worth it to get a machine that allowed better lower body
workouts (i.e. squats). But the problem with owning a device like this is
made evident when you decide to move your residence.
Most folks would simply sell this type of unit and purchase something new
at the other end of the move. I understand this issue and was willing to
deal with it. Had I kept the Bowflex it would have been easily moved with
me when the time came.
Just another perspective.
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Subject: carpal tunnel exercises???
From: Kbur...@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 06:25:17 -0700
are there exercises to help prevent carpal tunnel syndrome?
thank you
kathe
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Subject: Rr: INTERMITTENT CREATINE
From: "Bodyworks Fitness Centre" <al...@bodyworksuk.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 06:26:56 -0700
From: Mcs...@aol.com
>>
I tend to agree with you on the idea of intermittent dosing, especially
no intake on days when training is light or non-existent. In addition,
even much smaller doses of 3-5gm a day on this basis are more than enough
to enhance or sustain performance, though there does appear to be a plateau
phase during which progress is not at all
noticeable.
<<
Yes, constantly megadosing creatine seems like a good idea if you are in
the business of selling lots of creatine. It is clear, however, that some
sort of negative feedback mechanism comes into play with chronic, high
doses used on a daily basis.
Usually, the plateuing phase you mention can be overcome by laying off CM
intake for 1-2 weeks or so.
Another theory I like to question is the method of 'insulin spiking'
creatine. This particular method of intake might be used intermittently
with some good effect. But avoiding the daily long term use of the massive
amounts of simple sugars contained in most of these 'high performance'
preparations also seems reasonable.
I think what it comes down to is this: determining what is to be
accomplished in a creatine cycle suggests the protocol used. In other
words, creatine loading for a short term goal such as a meet or show
suggests an 'saturation & overload' models; while using creatine in long
term goal situation for lasting, good quality strength and muscular gains
might entail an intermittent, periodised paradigm. An interesting example,
a protocol suggested previously, contained alternating and tapered cycles
of CM and prohormones (another very good topic for discussion!).
A. Anderson
al...@bodyworksuk.com
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Subject: More Gym Rules
From: Trent Volz <fs...@aurora.uaf.edu>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 06:27:46 -0700
The 15 Commandments at the testosterone.net site were great. They nailed
just about every breach of etequette out there. For the sake of
completeness, I'll add my own pet peeves to them.
Rant Mode On. . .
16) Never walk between me and a mirror when I am in the middle of a set.
I just might be trying to insure that my form is correct.
17) If you are strong enough to load 550 pounds onto the bar for your 2
inch deep set of squats, then you are strong enough to unload the bar
when you are done.
18) When done with your standing dumbell curls/lower back exercise,
please rerack the dumbells where you found tham.
19) Kindly leave your coat, hat, shoes/boots, gym bag, cell phone, empty
espresso cup, pager, laptop, 2 liter Pepsi bottle/carbohydrate drink,
bagel/cinnamon roll, and newspaper/paperback/magazine/Encyclopedia
Britanica in the locker room. That is what it is there for.
Rant Mode Off. . .
And now for my two favorite commandments:
20) Train to Gain, Not to Maintain (I wish I could say I thought that
one up).
21) Never go to the gym withought first reading Weights!
OK, I feel much better now. MTS, thanks for the chance to vent. Anyone
else?
Keep on liftin'
Trent
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Subject: Re: Tanita Bodyfat Scale
From: gary hanson <uce...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 06:28:04 -0700
> I was just wondering if anyone out there had a
> Tanita Bodyfat scale
Yup, model 612, and the manual is at hand.
>...might know what the difference between the adult
> mode and the athlete mode is.
The manual says that athlete mode is for persons doing
intense aerobics 10 or more hours per week, with a
resting heart rate of < 60/min. And, "not intended for
professional athletes or bodybuilders who may
experience physical changes due to dehydration."
> Also, what are the prime conditions to get the most
> accurate reading from this scale?
The manual suggests the evening, properly hydrated,
with an empty bladder and clean dry feet. There's a
chart that suggests 6 - 8:30 PM, but no mention of
(lack of) stomach contents.
I'm not particularly happy with the fat measurement
portion of my scale. I researched it before I got it;
Consumer Reports said that the weight measurement was
accurate, and they compared a sample of people using
the scale vs. underwater weighing. They weren't using
athlete mode. They found the scale reasonably accurate
IF you take it's fat value and subtract 3% for males
and 8% for females.
Searching dejanews suggested that although it's fat
measurement wasn't believeable, you could use the
number to track trends over time. I bought one, hoping
that the trend would track my fat loss.
I became disillusioned after awhile when it's fat
number wasn't keeping up with my weight and visible
fat loss. During a period when I lost about 7% fat,
the number on the scale only went down about 4% (in
regular mode; I've never met their criteria for
athlete mode, so I didn't use it.) So, I bought
Slimguide calipers, and I've been happy with those.
Here's some results from today:
Tanita, regular mode: 22% (205 lbs)
Tanita, athlete mode 13% (same weight)
Calipers (JP3): 11.2%
I think that the calipers are closest to what the
mirror tells me, but I may not be a good judge. The
difference between 11% and 13% is a bit under 4 lbs,
and I've heard that any (antemortem) method of fat
estimation is only accurate to about 3%, so the Tanita
athlete mode and the calipers _might_ be considered to
give identical readings. Still, I don't do 10 hours of
intense cardio per week, and my resting heart rate is
above 60.
Overall, to someone considering purchasing a Tanita,
I'd say to get calipers instead. They're cheaper and
more accurate.
--Gary
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Subject: Re: Training/Nutrition Software?
From: "Constantine, Steve" <SCon...@mnc.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 06:30:17 -0700
Sue,
I have done a lot of research on this subject and have downloaded
about a dozen different software packages. I would like to try the ISSA
Training/Nutrition Manager but unfortunately I don't think there is a
downloadable demo to "try before you buy" (If anyone knows if one exist
please let me know). Without going into great detail about each one, I
would have to rate my top three as:
#3. Protrack
#2. Lifestyles Dietmaster 2000
#1. Crosstrainer II
You can download Crosstrainer at:
http://www.innovativelogic.com/crosstrainer/
Check it and if you have any additional questions, feel free to email me.
Steve
Ste...@mnc.com
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Subject: Re: Training/Nutrition Software?
From: "Thomas Incledon" <hps...@mediaone.net>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 06:35:39 -0700
Sue:
I have used Nutritionist 3, 4, and now 5. I have also used Nutribase.
http://www.nutribase.com/homepage.shtml
I like Nutribase the best. Below is another post that was sent to me for
you to check out there site as well.
Tom
Analysis and verification of the professional nutrient analysis software
survey results took longer than anticipated, but a comparison of many
nutrient analysis software packages is now online! To access it, go to
http://www.nuconnexions.com/Software/professionalsoftware.htm and click
on the link near the top of the page. Hope many of you will find this
comparison helpful!
While you're on the page mentioned above, be sure to also click on the
link to our new online survey, for a chance to win a copy of Food Smart
Professional Edition, a nutrient analysis software package worth $395!
The new survey is designed to determine how important you consider
various features and attributes to be in four categories of nutrition
care and foodservice management software:
- nutrition care management
- diet office management
- food production and menu management
- inventory and procurement management
A summary of this new survey's results will be published on the Nu
Connexions website next spring.
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Subject: Re: Training/Nutrition Software?
From: "The Center Health & Fitness, Inc" <c...@peganet.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 06:32:34 -0700
>From: Sue Gilman <s...@srwa.org.au>
>Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 3:34 PM
>You have probably been over this subject before but will ask the
>question again...what do people on this list recommend as a good
>training/nutrition software program? Has anyone tried ProTrack? Or the
>ISSA Training/Nutrition Manager?
The Myodynamics Training/Nutrition Manager is quite good and coustomer
support is great. It does go in to alot of detail - good in my case!
hope this helps.
Rich Gromer
The Center Health & Fitness
c...@peganet.com
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Subject: A Brief History of Medecine
From: "Prevost" <mpre...@access1.net>
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 06:53:10 -0800
Got this on a nutrition mailing list. Thought it was rather amusing:
A brief history of Medicine:
2000 B.C. -Here, eat this root.
1000 A.D. -That root is heathen. Here, say this prayer.
1850 A.D. -That prayer is superstition. Here, drink this potion.
1920 A.D. -That potion is snake oil. Here, swallow this pill.
1965 A.D. -That pill is ineffective. Here, take this antibiotic.
2000 A.D. -That antibiotic is artificial. Here, eat this root.
Mike Prevost, PhD
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Subject: Re: ACE vs ISSA
From: "Thomas Incledon" <hps...@mediaone.net>
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 06:54:45 -0800
Cindy:
Charles outlined some very good points. In addition I would add:
1) Do you plan to work for yourself or for someone else? Working as an
independent the certification is not as important as if you are trying to
gain employment with a specific organization. In the South Florida area,
most personal trainers are not certified (based upon my personal
experience no hard data). There is a trend starting to develop where more
and more facilities are requiring some type of certification. The two
organizations that get the most respect are the NSCA and the ACSM. In fact
many job posting list either or both as a requirement.
2) What type of people would you like to train? Athletes, older
individuals, people with disabilities, etc . This may help you in
determining the type of certification that will best prepare you for the
population that you wish to work with.
Ultimately you will find short comings with most of the certifications.
This makes sense though as how could one exam possibly cover every area of
health/fitness/exercise/conditioning adequately? It is a difficult
challenge and perhaps this is one reasons why some organizations have
developed several specialty certifications (as well as the fact that it
brings in additional income).
My bias is for the NSCA. I serve on their Conference Committee and have
attended several of their annual meetings. If you are interested in
research and the latest info on strength and conditioning, they really are
hard to beat. Since my involvement in the organization, it has led to
numerous opportunities in research, traveling and giving seminars, writing
magazine articles and books, and the development of friendships with some
really outstanding human beings.
Tom
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Subject: Re: Bicep tendinitis
From: "wedderburn" <wedde...@utech.net>
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 06:56:04 -0800
Ouchie! My sympathies. Went through this a few years ago. PT helped
tremendously. Another great help was starting the use of glucosamine and
chondroitin. I found the best solution when the tendinitis was in full
bloom was to load, just like you do with creatine, then cut the dose and
use maintenance. Still take a maintenance dose every day. I like Optimum
Nutrition's Glucosamine + CSA. Dose given on the label. Good product.
Order it >from www.nutritiondiscounters.com which now carry a full line of
ON products. A few years ago I read an article in Hardgainer by Brooks
Kubik about just such a situation. Brooks said just forget the upper body
work for awhile and concentrate on squats and, if you could manage it,
deadlifts. Said that this would put just as much muscle on you and that
people get too anal about always having to bench press. If the bicep
tendinitis is at the elbow, then a bar across your back won't bother it
the same way it does if it's up toward your shoulder. On the other hand,
if the bar does bother you, either from compression or having to put your
arm up to hold the bar, see if you can manage a tru squat machine or Smith
machine (even though this is hard on the knees) or even one of those bars
that rests on your shoulders while you hold on to the uprights (forget the
name of them). If you can't manage that, then just do the best you can
with what you can do. I certainly wouldn't stop resistance training.
Just find some other ways to do things. I'd suggest you check out some of
Ian King's leg routines on www.testosterone.net. There are several that
use light weight and isometric holds on the leg press and all kinds of
squats without weight. Believe me these are HARD! And none of them
should bother your bicep tendinitis, but they will wreak havoc with your
quads and hams. Good luck and get well soon. Rosemary
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