Source Code Release of NWFS 2.0 for 2.2/2.3/2.4
Jeff V. Merkey
Alan,
These web accesses look like your folks, so I should probably explain.
We have not re-nigged on letting Red Hat have the source code for NWFS
2.0 (though I am being pressured by to withhold 2.2/2.3/2.4 source so
RedHat and other Linux players do not get it for migration purposes due
to RedHat partisan politics that are negatively impacting not only us,
but our partners and customers), the tools deal you and I discussed is
concluded with TRG retaining full control over the Linux/NT2000 NWFS
code and we are working on clustering for Linux and Windows NT/2000 now
(less 2.4 work) which is what we've wanted to do for a long time. NWFS
on Linux was simply a side project to increase our familiarity with
Linux and the Linux process in general (and get your VFS interface
developed for our clustering products). You will be happy to hear that
2.2/2.3 is running with our LRU (still have one deadlock and a memory
corruption problem in Darren's code that he is running down tonight).
However, we have some legitimate gripes, and I think I really don't like
Pavel Machek, Ingo Molinar, and Al Viro's shitty attitudes towards us
and TRG in general (and that they completely ignore emails and requests
for help in areas they claim to own). If you guys want us to feel like
a part of what you are doing, then I think out of courtesy, when we ask
questions, they should get answered. We are more than happy to **NOT**
publish any more source code for general use by the Linux Community if
our reward for doing so is to be shit on by a some of the Linux career
politicians just because our views are different or that we come at
Linux from different angles.
The "partisan" commercial politics (since a lot of these folks have
gotten sucked up into RedHat, Suse, etc.) are preventing folks from
getting help or participating in the process of developing Linux, and
WILL HURT LINUX AND FRAGMENT THE MARKET. I think all the RedHat stock
and Suse stock everyone now has has gone to some peoples heads. The
partisan politics are destructive to Linux in general, and if RedHat
employees are going to play them, then so can everyone else, including
us.
I do appreciate your help and have enjoyed our dialogue, but hey, there
has to be something in it for us too, either in the form of
collaboration, technology adoption, or $$$. To date, less your help, I
have not seen it from the other Linux folks except Linus, and Anvin,
both who try very hard to stay above the petty BS with the commerical
Linux crap.
I guess what I am trying to say is that if I keep seeing a shift towards
partisan RedHat politics in terms of who gets to contribute and getting
included in the process of what's going on, we can just as easily act
like everyone else, and be "greedy" too, an withhold our stuff.
I think the next time one of my requests is ignored, we will simply not
publish any more source code, and just let CALDERA customers get access
to binaries. With what we get from our Microsoft Windows NT/2000
customers, why should we tolerate this type of crap when we aren't
getting what we expect out of our hard work on Linux.
Your friend,
Jeff Merkey
CEO, TRG
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[snip]
> However, we have some legitimate gripes, and I think I really don't like
> Pavel Machek, Ingo Molinar, and Al Viro's shitty attitudes towards us
> and TRG in general (and that they completely ignore emails and requests
> for help in areas they claim to own). If you guys want us to feel like
> a part of what you are doing, then I think out of courtesy, when we ask
> questions, they should get answered. We are more than happy to **NOT**
[snip]
I almost split a gut here.
"Feel a part of the community" coming out of the guy whos earlier (first?)
l-k posts said thing to the effect of 'The GPL is meaningless, we plan on
ignoring it'.
haha
Taso Hatzi
>
> However, we have some legitimate gripes, and I think I really don't like
> Pavel Machek, Ingo Molinar, and Al Viro's shitty attitudes towards us
Get to the point. If you have a specific gripe then let's hear it.
If you just want to generally complain, email the individuals.
If you have some good s/w you want to let out that's great.
If you don't want to let it out, that's your choice. People
choose to live in Linuxland because they see a benefit to
themselves. If you don't like the place you are free to leave.
Chip Salzenberg
> However, we have some legitimate gripes
And they are? (BTW, "People don't like me" isn't a legitimate gripe.
Lots of people don't like lots of other people.)
> [...] Linux career politicians [...]
Paranoia strikes deep.
--
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"Come back to AT&T!" "We're your friends and family now!" //MST3K
Jeff Merkey
This is what happens when you mix together 1 sake, 1 merkey, and 1
computer........
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Salzenberg <ch...@valinux.com>
To: Jeff Merkey <jme...@timpanogas.com>
Date: Monday, February 07, 2000 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: Source Code Release of NWFS 2.0 for 2.2/2.3/2.4
>According to Jeff Merkey:
>> I hope you appreciate the humor of the last email I sent you :)
>
>Um, well, no, I didn't. I don't know you well enough to trigger my
>parody detector, and I don't know the full history of your problems
>with L-K. So I guess you can ignore my reply. :-(
Jeff Garzik
> I guess what I am trying to say is that if I keep seeing a shift towards
> partisan RedHat politics in terms of who gets to contribute and getting
> included in the process of what's going on, we can just as easily act
> like everyone else, and be "greedy" too, an withhold our stuff.
First, regardless of any real or imagined "partisan attitudes" I have
yet to see a good implementation of a good idea rejected.
Second, and more importantly, having 'redhat.com' (or mandrakesoft.com
that for matter) in your e-mail address does not automatically imply
that that 'helping Jeff Merkey' is included in the job description.
Many kernel hackers (a) do what they want, and (b) have friggin' HUGE
mailboxes.
If you have a specific technical issue, I am sure we are more than happy
to discuss it in public on lkml. Sure maintainers are sometimes slow to
respond, or don't respond at all. Just keep trying, and keep civil
about it.
So chill out... the harder you push, the more doors you are closing for
yourself.
Regards,
Jeff
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MandrakeSoft, Inc. |
Alan Cox
> for help in areas they claim to own). If you guys want us to feel like
I can't find a contract between any of the linux kernel people and you for
support.
On the basis of your ridiculous allegations I regret it would be unreasonable
to continue to work with you on anything NWFS related. We have no 'deal'
about tools as you claim either. Please direct all your 2.2.x discussions
directly to Linus since I would hate to risk them being touched by some
potentially impartial body.
> Your friend,
Ex...
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system.
Jeff V. Merkey
Alan,
Contract? What the hell is this? I have been observing what goes on
here now for almost 18 months, and from my vantage point, it's clear
that RedHat just sits at the mouth of each womb ready to devour every
baby that is born like a pack of hungry, ravaging wolves. Everyone
tries their best ot put on a happy face while they knife each other in
the back and plot and scheme ways to rip each other off, and shaft each
other in the Linux Community.
This is why Linux will ***ALWAYS*** be inferior to Windows NT/2000. It
can only be as good as the people who write it, and when they're second
rate unix hackers, that's the ceiling on the quality level of the
effort. Anyone who suggest any direction that's not understandble by
you "gods" gets ignored, knifed, bad mouthed, or character assisinated,
and if what's proposed is not undergrad unix computer science, you guys
don't seem to understand it, or care (and you show a definite
unwillingness to even try).
One good example is the VFS in Linux. EVERY release, you guys break
something or there is MASSIVE file system corruption, or memory
corruption, or some other catastrophe that takes days to sort out.
Commercial OS vendors never tolerate this lack of
quality/compatibility. I'm sorry if you are offended, and i withdraw
the allegations (man did I get your dander up -- jeeeeez), but we are
spending money on developing on Linux, and the obvious lack of COURTESY,
PROFESSIONALISM, and QUALITY increases support effort (I have to rewrite
the VFS interface EVERYTIME you post a new kernel. You guys are
constantly BREAKING stuff and LEAVING IT BROKEN and inflicting your
laziness and bugs on the entire planet. If a Microsoft engineer (or
Novell engineer) operated at this level of quality, they would have
their work heavily scrutinized.
And get over it, would you.
Jeff
Lawrence Walton
Jeff, been a fan of yours, and have read many of your email's on LK, but this last email
smacks of basic misunderstanding of Linux in general, and seems rather self-defeating.
Until very recently no one made money coding Linux kernel, it's been a club, a "gee thats fun, I did not
know I could do that" sort thing, a hobby, like it or not MOST people still think of it that way.
If your trying just to make money, (I rather hope your not) you have to play that game. If your not; start thinking about what you just said,
it basically bad mouths everyone, people of different skill sets, backgrounds and cultures. Not just Alan Cox. Think about it.
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Jeff V. Merkey
This is what happens when a bunch of 20+ years old guys suddenly get
rich. It's the Marc Andressan Syndrome at NetScape all over again, it's
like they're all 18 years old, and they just got their first piece of
ass or something -- it drives them crazy, then they go nuts -- then
comes the arrogance, conceit, and "I'll get you" behavior. Look how
Alan reacted ("I'll get you Merkey").
This isn't the Alan Cox I used to know -- the one that went out of his
way to put Linux first and was the good samaritan of Linux Kernel. I
think all the money is making folks a little nuts, and we are seeing the
natural fallout of this -- hell, these guys are all under 30 (most of
them). I think Linux is close to the point that it will fragment and
break into many smaller efforts. I can feel it starting.
".... Success can test a man's metal more surely than the strongest
adverary ..."
Jeff
David Weinehall wrote:
>
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
>
> >
> > Alan,
> >
> > Contract? What the hell is this? I have been observing what goes on
> > here now for almost 18 months, and from my vantage point, it's clear
> > that RedHat just sits at the mouth of each womb ready to devour every
> > baby that is born like a pack of hungry, ravaging wolves. Everyone
> > tries their best ot put on a happy face while they knife each other in
> > the back and plot and scheme ways to rip each other off, and shaft each
> > other in the Linux Community.
>
> ... Red Hat is no other that any other company, apart from that they
> have a larger interest in it's field of business. They want to employ
> the very best. This is quite natural; if they didn't, they would betray
> their stockholder's trust.
>
> No backstabbing is going on as far as I can tell. This far, the only
> non-respectable company I've noticed in the Linux-business would be
> Linux-One, which seems (to say the least) very rotten. But they are no
> real part of the Linux-community anyway.
>
> > This is why Linux will ***ALWAYS*** be inferior to Windows NT/2000. It
> > can only be as good as the people who write it, and when they're second
> > rate unix hackers, that's the ceiling on the quality level of the
> > effort. Anyone who suggest any direction that's not understandble by
> > you "gods" gets ignored, knifed, bad mouthed, or character assisinated,
> > and if what's proposed is not undergrad unix computer science, you guys
> > don't seem to understand it, or care (and you show a definite
> > unwillingness to even try).
>
> If you call people like Alan Cox, Alexander Viro, Peter Anvin, Linus
> Torvalds, etc. second-rate Unix-hackers, you've proved that you are
> definitely not in a position to have a company of your own. It's amasing
> that your customers trust you.
>
> I hope you don't mean what the letter of your mail says.
>
> I don't know what suggestions you've come with that people haven't
> accepted; as far as I can tell (and I try to read everything posted on
> the lkml), people have been welcoming your move to port NWFS to Linux.
>
> Linux is not Win 2K. I am thankful for that. I think most Linux-users
> are. It might be easier for you to port NWFS if the VFS was rewritten to
> be more similar to the one of Win 2K, but that would also mean that
> we'd miss many other things we want.
>
> > One good example is the VFS in Linux. EVERY release, you guys break
> > something or there is MASSIVE file system corruption, or memory
> > corruption, or some other catastrophe that takes days to sort out.
>
> The VFS is NEVER rewritten during stable kernel-releases. If you use
> unstable releases, you should be aware of the risk for corruption/
> memory-corruption and other bad things.
>
> Sure thing, it is not easy for a completely new file-system to go into
> an unstable kernel, because it's a changing target, and this is why
> new file-systems usually should be introduced in the beginning or
> end of a cycle, where changes are to important subsystems.
>
> > Commercial OS vendors never tolerate this lack of
> > quality/compatibility. I'm sorry if you are offended, and i withdraw
> > the allegations (man did I get your dander up -- jeeeeez), but we are
> > spending money on developing on Linux, and the obvious lack of COURTESY,
> > PROFESSIONALISM, and QUALITY increases support effort (I have to rewrite
> > the VFS interface EVERYTIME you post a new kernel. You guys are
> > constantly BREAKING stuff and LEAVING IT BROKEN and inflicting your
> > laziness and bugs on the entire planet. If a Microsoft engineer (or
> > Novell engineer) operated at this level of quality, they would have
> > their work heavily scrutinized.
>
> Commercial OS-vendors instead tolerate high levels of
> performance-degrading misdesigns, instead of removing them, just for the
> sake of keeping their VFS intact. Even more vital flaws are sometimes
> left in because of this.
>
> Courtesy? Is your e-mail a sign of courtesy? In the Linux-world we are
> all measured by the quality of our code, not by our titles or the place
> we work at.
>
> Professionalism? Do you REALLY consider it professional to leave vital
> flaws in an operating system just to please developers, developers that
> have access to the source-code of the operating system and the possibility
> to affect the development of it themselves?
>
> Quality? And you mention Microsoft in the same e-mail? Allow me to
> laugh... Muahahaha. I don't consider an operating-system where
> beta-versions that are SOLD to the public eats your filesystem to be
> of much Quality.
>
> Breaking Stuff? Yes, that happens quite often. But virtually never during
> a stable kernel-series. Breaking things during development is a necessity
> to get an overall better product in the end. For instance, the breaking
> of the VFS in v2.3 was necessary to get good SMP-performance.
>
> Leaving it broken? This only happens with subsystems/drivers that have
> no maintainer and with code that we know will change soon again anyway.
>
> NTFS is broken (for all I know) in v2.3. And nobody has enough knowledge
> to fix it properly. Your company has, yet you haven't made any effort in
> that direction. Now why haven't you?! Because you haven't got time? Well,
> maybe those you accuse of being lazy don't have time either? Ever thought
> of that?
>
> Inflicting bugs upon the entire planet?!! And you dare to say that
> Microsoft doesn't? The only difference here, is that when Microsoft does
> so, it takes 200 bug-reports and 12 months for a bug-fix to arrive, while
> there usually are inofficial patches available withing a few days in the
> Linux-case, and a completely new kernel within a month.
>
> Now go figure what is better.
>
> I'm still thinking that the port of NWFS to Linux is a good thing.
> I do not think your totally unbalanced posts on this list is, however.
>
> /David Weinehall
> _ _
> // David Weinehall <t...@acc.umu.se> /> Northern lights wander \\
> // Project MCA Linux hacker // Dance across the winter sky //
> \> http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/ </ Full colour fire </
David Weinehall
Alan Cox
> Alan reacted ("I'll get you Merkey").
Pardon, I just decided that a) you've been smoking something and b) if you
want to make allegations about impartiality then submit your 2.2 stuff
via Linus so there are no questions asked
Alan
Alan Cox
> the clustering projects after NWFS for 2.2 is in -- that's your choice
Im actually probably the last person to help on clustering. People like
Stephen Tweedie, Peter Braam and co understand clustering. I've got as far
as reading the fun IBM book and figuring out no-shared-data 8)
> will be ready for you this evening for 2.0. I have some questions on
> 2.2 still outstanding. I will email them to you.
Ok
Jeff V. Merkey
Alan,
Ray Noorda was in my office discussing this situation with me (and our
next steps with Microsoft) when this email arrived. Timing could not
have been better . I think you made his day (and mine). Thanks for
taking the high road. Code tonight oh omnipotent one ....
Your friend,
Jeff
Jeff V. Merkey
Alan,
Apology accepted. I think you overreacted. And no, I'd prefer for you
and I to finish what we started -- you told me you would do it -- and I
was not attacking you directly. If you don't want to work with me on
the clustering projects after NWFS for 2.2 is in -- that's your choice
-- it's not my preference, I like you and have enjoyed wotking with
you. I have a great deal of respect and admiration for you, Alan, so
get over it and let's get on with life. I'll shut up now -- Some code
will be ready for you this evening for 2.0. I have some questions on
2.2 still outstanding. I will email them to you.
Your Friend (hopefully not Ex)
Jeff
Alan Cox wrote:
>
> > ... Red Hat is no other that any other company, apart from that they
> > have a larger interest in it's field of business. They want to employ
> > the very best. This is quite natural; if they didn't, they would betray
> > their stockholder's trust.
>
> Be assured of three things too:
>
> 1. Red Hat don't want to interfere with the kernel choices I make
> 2. If they did I'd be changing email address very rapidly
> 3. Linus would stomp on anything like that
David Weinehall
>
> Alan,
>
> Apology accepted. I think you overreacted. And no, I'd prefer for you
> and I to finish what we started -- you told me you would do it -- and I
> was not attacking you directly. If you don't want to work with me on
> the clustering projects after NWFS for 2.2 is in -- that's your choice
> -- it's not my preference, I like you and have enjoyed wotking with
> you. I have a great deal of respect and admiration for you, Alan, so
> get over it and let's get on with life. I'll shut up now -- Some code
> will be ready for you this evening for 2.0. I have some questions on
> 2.2 still outstanding. I will email them to you.
>
> Your Friend (hopefully not Ex)
>
> Jeff
It is nice that you seem to have gotten things straightened out with Alan.
Still, I think *you* owe most people on LKML an apology for your
outbursts. Please tell me if I'm unfair, but allegations of people losing
their mind because of money doesn't exactly fit in for a project where
everyone devotes most of their sparetime to *give* the rest of the world
an operating-system. Yes, people sometimes react in bad ways when money
is involved, but I haven't seen any such tendencies in any of the major
(or minor for that matter) Linux-developers.
I don't think that companies like IBM and SGI would be the least
interested to cooperate with us in case we didn't have an open mind and
acted professionally. I might be wrong, but I suspect that I'm not.
I hope that this all is a misunderstanding that can be cleared out.
Oh, and it's very nice to hear that you have code ready soon. I'd be happy
to see the v2.0 code. I'm going to set up a Novell box here at my place
soon, just for the fun of it.
/David Weinehall
_ _
// David Weinehall <t...@acc.umu.se> /> Northern lights wander \\
// Project MCA Linux hacker // Dance across the winter sky //
\> http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/ </ Full colour fire </
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Alan Cox
> have a larger interest in it's field of business. They want to employ
> the very best. This is quite natural; if they didn't, they would betray
> their stockholder's trust.
Be assured of three things too:
1. Red Hat don't want to interfere with the kernel choices I make
2. If they did I'd be changing email address very rapidly
3. Linus would stomp on anything like that
>
>
Matthew Kirkwood
Firstly, this should not be on this list. This is a technical list,
and you appear to be posting complaints about a large corporate's
business practices. We don't even complain about _Microsoft_ here; we
have better things to do.
My shame at responding to your post is surpassed only by my rage at
your abuse.
> Contract? What the hell is this? I have been observing what goes on
> here now for almost 18 months, and from my vantage point, it's clear
> that RedHat just sits at the mouth of each womb ready to devour every
> baby that is born like a pack of hungry, ravaging wolves.
I don't know what all this is about, but phrased as "Red Hat aggresively
incorporates new Free Software into their products" it sounds rather
nicer.
> This is why Linux will ***ALWAYS*** be inferior to Windows NT/2000. It
> can only be as good as the people who write it, and when they're second
> rate unix hackers, that's the ceiling on the quality level of the
> effort. Anyone who suggest any direction that's not understandble by
> you "gods" gets ignored, knifed, bad mouthed, or character assisinated,
> and if what's proposed is not undergrad unix computer science, you guys
> don't seem to understand it, or care (and you show a definite
> unwillingness to even try).
No. There is a philosophy surrounding Linux and Unix, and your refusal
even to try to appreciate it loses you the ears of many here who would
otherwise offer useful help and insight.
Given the regard in which Alan, Linus, et. al. are help on these lists,
calling them "second rate unix hackers" would lose you friends even if
it were true.
What did anybody at all gain from your posting this vague, unsubstantiated
(hell, it's so content-free as to be basically un_in_stantiated, too)
attack to the list?
> One good example is the VFS in Linux. EVERY release, you guys break
> something or there is MASSIVE file system corruption, or memory
> corruption, or some other catastrophe that takes days to sort out.
> Commercial OS vendors never tolerate this lack of
> quality/compatibility.
Watch NT4 boot. Go on. SP3 claims to be build 1381 or something
(apologies, it's been a long time since I last had to use NT). Just
how many of the the 1378 builds which didn't see the light of day
broke something or caused massive fs corruption?
> I'm sorry if you are offended, and i withdraw the allegations (man
> did I get your dander up -- jeeeeez),
Alan is a very nice guy, with basically infinite patience for those
who are prepared usefully to help themselves. Many of the others on
the list are the same.
> but we are spending money on developing on Linux, and the obvious lack
> of COURTESY, PROFESSIONALISM, and QUALITY increases support effort (I
> have to rewrite the VFS interface EVERYTIME you post a new kernel.
The details may change, but the intentions remain largely the same.
Maybe the NT people got their VFS right in NT4 and didn't have to
change it for W2K. Good for them.
This is Linux, though. We don't have to get everything right the
first time. Once it exists, people use it. Then we make it better.
Think of it as pipelining.
From your descriptions, the 2.3 VFS looks /more/ like NT's. How that
makes your work harder (given that you clearly favour that platform)
I have no idea.
> You guys are constantly BREAKING stuff and LEAVING IT BROKEN and
> inflicting your laziness and bugs on the entire planet. If a
> Microsoft engineer (or Novell engineer) operated at this level of
> quality, they would have their work heavily scrutinized.
So *fuck off*. Many people might like to use your nwfs, but when
you persist in so fundamentally and rudely misunderstanding Linux
development, you repel them.
> And get over it, would you.
How *dare* you? You posted a bizarre rant attacking Alan for some
perceived injustice inflicted upon you by his employers. You may
have interest in Linux. You may release bits of source code. But
you patently have no interest in the development of Linux, so you
have no place here.
Please desist from posting your vitriol to this list.
Matthew.
J. Scott Kasten
but a major flame like this does not belong on this list.
You mention quality/compatibility and things getting broken in
every release. You also mention commercial OS vendors not
tolerating this.
Perhaps you've never worked in a real Operating System development
environment before. Things get broken all the time in coporations
as the developers grow their products into the next official
product release. The difference is that customers don't see that
process because it's all internal. At my company, day to day
firmware builds may or may not even work. That's what the development
kernels are, more or less frequent builds where ideas are tried.
The official releases are the even numbered kernels, and they
do as a rule work solidly with the same quality as any commercial
end product release would. If your worried about how it affects
your development, then you have the same opptions you would in
any commercial environment. Either develop against an official
release, or stick with a particular development snapshot that
works for what you need to do in the near term and wory about
integrating it into the mainstream when the right time comes.
On Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 09:15:27AM -0700, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
<SNIP>
> One good example is the VFS in Linux. EVERY release, you guys break
> something or there is MASSIVE file system corruption, or memory
> corruption, or some other catastrophe that takes days to sort out.
> Commercial OS vendors never tolerate this lack of
> quality/compatibility. I'm sorry if you are offended, and i withdraw
> the allegations (man did I get your dander up -- jeeeeez), but we are
> spending money on developing on Linux, and the obvious lack of COURTESY,
> PROFESSIONALISM, and QUALITY increases support effort (I have to rewrite
> the VFS interface EVERYTIME you post a new kernel. You guys are
> constantly BREAKING stuff and LEAVING IT BROKEN and inflicting your
> laziness and bugs on the entire planet. If a Microsoft engineer (or
> Novell engineer) operated at this level of quality, they would have
> their work heavily scrutinized.
<SNIP>
--
J. Scott Kasten
jsk AT tetracon-eng DOT net
"That wasn't an attack. It was preemptive retaliation!"
Jeff V. Merkey
Greg,
Yes, and I'll even show up in drag if this is what you want. Fees are
.20 night and all the sake I can drink. Glad to be so entertaining.
Jeff
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
>
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
>
> [snip utterly idotic comments]
> > And get over it, would you.
> >
> > Jeff
>
> hahahahhaha.. Your killing me! hahahha.
>
> Do you do clubs too? Whats your rate?
Gregory Maxwell
Taso Hatzi
>
> This is why Linux will ***ALWAYS*** be inferior to Windows NT/2000. It
> can only be as good as the people who write it, and when they're second
That statement is unfair and silly. Don't be duped by the slick
veneer MS marketing put on (often) crufty merchandise.
Linux's dirty linen is hanging out there for all the world to see.
MS's dirty linen is stashed away in a locked cupboard. They only
show you what they want you to see, and only tell you what they
think you want to hear. Where's the NT-kernel development
newsgroup?
wi...@thepuffingroup.com
> The "partisan" commercial politics (since a lot of these folks have
> gotten sucked up into RedHat, Suse, etc.) are preventing folks from
> getting help or participating in the process of developing Linux, and
> WILL HURT LINUX AND FRAGMENT THE MARKET. I think all the RedHat stock
> and Suse stock everyone now has has gone to some peoples heads. The
> partisan politics are destructive to Linux in general, and if RedHat
> employees are going to play them, then so can everyone else, including
> us.
Jeff, please refrain from such accusations. Having just spent the
past three days with two Red Hat employees, one VA employee and two
LinuxCare employees working on some VFS and ext2 projects, I can assure
you that partisan politics are not involved in the development process.
Email sometimes gets dropped. Live with it.
Chip Salzenberg
> piece of ass or something [...]
OK, that's it. Time to pull out the sign:
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Erik Andersen
>
> I guess what I am trying to say is that if I keep seeing a shift towards
> partisan RedHat politics in terms of who gets to contribute and getting
> included in the process of what's going on, we can just as easily act
> like everyone else, and be "greedy" too, an withhold our stuff.
Huh? I've never had a piece of code rejected due to my race, gender, religion,
sexual preference, bank account contents, or the company where I am employed.
I _have_ however had code rejected for being broken, poorly documented,
insufficiently granular, and I've even had code rejected for being well
implemented but philosophically wrong. The philosophically wrong stuff is
harder emotionally, but after a bit of a flame fest where everybody explains to
everyone else why the code is or is not wrong, the right thing happens.
I'm afraid I've failed to see where Alan and/or Linus played politics.
-Erik
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email: ande...@debian.org
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Jeff V. Merkey
Alan Cox wrote:
>
> Pardon, I just decided that a)
you've been smoking something and
P.S. Last night I was DRINKING SOMETHING no SMOKING SOMETHING. Had I
been SMOKING SOMETHING then I would have been mellow and not agressive,
which is how I get when I've been DRINKING SOMETHING. Sake, in fact.
How do you know about SMOKING SOMETHING, I did visit England in 1981
once, and I will have say, the brits do know how to party..... (a friend
with weed is a friend indeed!!!!)
b) if you
> want to make allegations about impartiality then submit your 2.2 stuff
> via Linus so there are no questions asked
No one is making allegations, why are you reacting this way? There's no
questions asked for now, and since you have already been doing this, I
see no reason why not to continue. That's what being friends is all
about -- there are blow-ups, misunderstandings, and hurt feelings -- get
over it.
Jeff
david parsons
J. Scott Kasten <j...@titan.tetracon-eng.net> wrote:
>Perhaps you've never worked in a real Operating System development
>environment before. Things get broken all the time in coporations
>as the developers grow their products into the next official
>product release.
Perhaps it's just me, but doesn't ``but everyone else does it !!!''
seem like a bit of a copout? Yes, Jeff may have been drunk when
he posted his original post, but a cry of ``broken interfaces: Not
A Bug, But A Feature!' seems more like seconding his post instead
of refuting it.
____
david parsons \bi/ Still can't fit 2.3.x on an install floppy :-(
\/
Pavel Machek
What are you? Every second post from you is gem. You want to develop
striping and do not know what raid is. Then you want to sue (forgot
who) because he said something (and post Cc: of flames to l-k). Then
you start attacking Alan, Alexander and everyone else. In the next
mail you write that linux will be always inferior to WNT (and attack
RedHat, just btw).
Are you a elisa-like software trying to create biggest flames possible
on l-k? Sentences like this would certainly work:
> This is why Linux will ***ALWAYS*** be inferior to Windows NT/2000.
Pavel
--
I'm pa...@ucw.cz. "In my country we have almost anarchy and I don't care."
Panos Katsaloulis describing me w.r.t. patents me at dis...@linmodems.org
Andre Hedrick
> This is why Linux will ***ALWAYS*** be inferior to Windows NT/2000. It
> And get over it, would you.
>
> Jeff
Jeff,
I have had enough of your insults to Linux and the community at large....
For the record, GO CASH THIS AT THE BANK!!!!!!!!!!
Many of the ATA/ATAPI manufacturers in the world today use the work of
"Linux" in storage solutions based on the quality........It is used to
correct the weakness found in the "miniport" model. I know this for a
fact because I have gone in house with (unamed vendors) to work on Linux
solutions and the final results are that your MicroSoft == SmallLimp
OS greatly benefits from "Linux" at the same time!
Hell, I know of at least two cases where Linux code has been stolen and I
am trying to figure out how to prove it!!! If your so belove MS-SL OS
was so damn perfect, the embedded market would use it......DUH!
Next point, regardless of what mistakes are made by various distributions
and I am sure that "EVERYONE" has at least one on the record, I do not
think it is your place nor has Linus granted you power of attorny to
speak on such matters. If there is an issue to be addressed, he will when
it is needed.
FINAL point, If you get your 'BALLS' as a result of a bottle, and then and
only then can you belly to the bar with big boys to attempt to be a "MAN",
skip it.........
YOUR TEN DOLLAR MOUTH, can not cover YOUR TWO DOLLAR ARSE!!!!!!
Later and do not bother to reply until you have had at least a case of beer.
Andre Hedrick
The Linux ATA/IDE guy
Horst von Brand
> This is what happens when a bunch of 20+ years old guys suddenly get
> rich. It's the Marc Andressan Syndrome at NetScape all over again, it's
> like they're all 18 years old, and they just got their first piece of
> ass or something -- it drives them crazy, then they go nuts -- then
> comes the arrogance, conceit, and "I'll get you" behavior. Look how
> Alan reacted ("I'll get you Merkey").
That isn't very polite, is it.
> This isn't the Alan Cox I used to know -- the one that went out of his
> way to put Linux first and was the good samaritan of Linux Kernel. I
> think all the money is making folks a little nuts, and we are seeing the
> natural fallout of this -- hell, these guys are all under 30 (most of
> them). I think Linux is close to the point that it will fragment and
> break into many smaller efforts. I can feel it starting.
Sorry to contradict you. The head hackers on linux-kernel are behaving more
or less the same, modulo more work (linux is not a small club of developers
anymore, and l-k gets more than it's fair share of clueless posts; I'd
assume they are getting even more crap).
> ".... Success can test a man's metal more surely than the strongest
> adverary ..."
Yep. Finest metal, from what I see here. Can't say the same of people that
start badmouthing everybody in sight when things don't go exactly as they
wish.
--
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Casilla 9G, Viña del Mar, Chile +56 32 672616
Jeff V. Merkey
Pavel,
At least your talking to me again now -- this is progress. Nobody ever
attacked anything, I asked questions about your stuff, you guys take
everything so personal -- it's not personal -- it's just business. I do
thank you for finally responding. Had you responded to my requests in
November regaring the raid driver rather than ignore me because you
didn't like the way we approached the problem, we would not have had to
write our own buffer cache (we could have simply collaborated on adding
what we needed to your RAID drivers which was my preference). You cost
me an additional $250,000 in salaries to engineers to do this. It would
have been much simpler to just help us use your stuff (which is very
good by the way).
I would still like to look at this possibility. I sent you the source
code for the nwvp.c modules that do the mirroring almost four months ago
-- you ignored them. I'll post the source code and you can look it over
and see how we could put this into a raid driver. There are still
issues with the buffer cache despite this, but I consider this
progress. I look forward to working with you on this if you want to.
Jeff
Pavel Machek wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
> What are you? Every second post from you is gem. You want to develop
> striping and do not know what raid is. Then you want to sue (forgot
> who) because he said something (and post Cc: of flames to l-k). Then
> you start attacking Alan, Alexander and everyone else. In the next
> mail you write that linux will be always inferior to WNT (and attack
> RedHat, just btw).
>
> Are you a elisa-like software trying to create biggest flames possible
> on l-k? Sentences like this would certainly work:
>
> > This is why Linux will ***ALWAYS*** be inferior to Windows NT/2000.
>
> Pavel
> --
> I'm pa...@ucw.cz. "In my country we have almost anarchy and I don't care."
> Panos Katsaloulis describing me w.r.t. patents me at dis...@linmodems.org
>
Riley Williams
> What are you? Every second post from you is gem. You want to
> develop striping and do not know what raid is. Then you want to
> sue (forgot who) because he said something (and post Cc: of
> flames to l-k). Then you start attacking Alan, Alexander and
> everyone else. In the next mail you write that linux will be
> always inferior to WNT (and attack RedHat, just btw).
You might as well just ignore him/her/it as the said cretin clearly
has nothing worth hearing to say. Mother should have pointed out that
it's better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to speak out and
remove all doubt.
> Are you a elisa-like software trying to create biggest flames
> possible on l-k?
Don't insult Eliza by even comparing it with that idiot, as it is
nowhere near as stupid.
> Sentences like this would certainly work:
>> This is why Linux will ***ALWAYS*** be inferior to Windows NT/2000.
See my signature for comment on this...but note that I have to agree
that when it comes to the quantity of obvious bugs, Linux is very
clearly inferior...
Best wishes from Riley.
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From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jme...@timpanogas.com>
At least your talking to me again now -- this is progress. Nobody ever
attacked anything, I asked questions about your stuff, you guys take
everything so personal -- it's not personal -- it's just business.
If calling the entire linux kernel development community "second-rate
Unix hackers" is just business, and not something to be taken
personally, remind me never to invest in your company..... it's
certainly not smart business, at any rate.
- Ted
P.S. If Ray Noorda is really funding this character, someone with his
e-mail address (perhaps at Caldera) should forward some of the e-mail on
this thread to him. He should know where his money is going.
Jeff V. Merkey
..... sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me
....
Some HUGE egos out here. I guess I'd better learn to duck. I think in
about 4 days everyones attitudes will change ..... we're having a
NetWare to Linux/Windows NT/2000 Conversion contest ... Here's the
prizes we are giving away for NetWare servers converted based on sales
of Linux FS and Windows NT 2000 servers converted. It is being
announced in two weeks (the State of Utah has approved it). Here's the
rules and prizes. Everyone in Linux kernel can participate, as can your
customers and the customers of your companies.
Any by the way, we don't need your money for investment. Unlike most of
the Linux companies, TRG actually makes PROFIT because we are SMART
enough to sell Windows NT/2000 software (which makes money, unlike Linux
where only hardware vendors and vertical app writers can make money).
The rules are simple:
We sell Windows NT/2000 NetMigrate software for 199.99/copy
Linux 2.0/2.2/2.3/2.4 binaries we sell for 49.99/copy (they
are also free in Linux but for the contest, you must buy a license to be
counted, and provide a NetWare server serial number to provde you
converted it to Linux or Windows NT/2000).
We are putting up a NetWare Conversion thermometer on out website
recording NetWare servers killed and converted to Linux or Windows
NT/2000. I have secured @ $150,000,000.00 (you can guess who's putting
this up, but it's not a Linux company -- they could not afford it) in an
escrow account to pay out for the prizes. For each licensed copy
purchaed (you must also provide a NetWare server serial number proving
you've killed a NetWare server.) There are 9,000,000 registered NetWare
servers and about 60,000,000 pirated ones (you can convert these as well
-- they are mostly in the far east and the former soviet block
countries).
Everytime one of the numbers below is reached for converted NetWare
servers that are either converted to Windows NT/2000 or Linux, we pay
out prizes to the lucky person who hits the number.
Prizes awarded at 25,000, 50,000, and 100,000 marks will be paid out on
a rotating (modulo) basis.
Number of Killed NetWare Servers gets the prize when the count on our
website hits these numbers
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you are the person who falls on this number, you get:
25,000 Mountain Bike -or- $1000.00 US in
cash
50,000 Wave Runner Jet Ski -or- $5000.00 US in
cash
100,000 Harley Davison Motor Cycle -or- $20,000.00 US in
cash
250,000 Hummer ROV -or- $100,000.00 US
in cash
500,000 Houseboat -or- $200,000.00 US
in cash
1,000,000 Cesna/Piper Airplane -or- $400,000.00 US
in cash
2,500,000 1M dollar Mountain Cabin/House -or- $1,000,000.00
US in cash
5,000,000 A Building on Novell's Campus (C) -or- $2,000,000.00
US in cash
10,000,000 60 foot Yacht -or- $4,000,000.00
US in cash
25,000,000 Lear Jet -or- $10,000,000.00
US in cash
50,000,000 Small Island in Carribean/S. Pacific -or- $20,000,000.00
US in cash
100,000,000 Trip on the US Space Shuttle -or- $100,000,000.00
US in cash
We have already pre-announced this program, and it will appear in Client
Server News Friday. We will be sending out the press release in two
weeks. I will get the 2.2 code drop to Alan as soon as it's finished.
The analysts say that Linux WILL take 17% of the NetWare installed base
(about 2 million nodes). It's almost time to go and get them.
Enjoy,
Jeff
Rik van Riel
> At least your talking to me again now -- this is progress.
> Nobody ever attacked anything, I asked questions about your stuff,
> you guys take everything so personal -- it's not personal -- it's
> just business.
Linux "business" isn't business the normal way.
> You cost me an additional $250,000 in salaries to engineers to do
> this. It would have been much simpler to just help us use your
> stuff.
It appears that your way of business is costing you an awful
lot of money. If it's just business, you may want to look into
cooperating closer and in a more friendly way with the Linux
community.
Please keep in mind that I'm not telling you what to do. It's
your money and I am sure that you'll be able to make a good
decision yourself. (but I certainly would like to be able to
work together with you guys on more friendly terms)
> I would still like to look at this possibility. I sent you the
> source code for the nwvp.c modules that do the mirroring almost
> four months ago -- you ignored them.
No need to get upset about people ignoring you. The reason
most probably is that we're all very busy with our own and
each other's things (yes, you read that right, we help each
other out). There are certain (easy) ways in which you can
get us to help you out too...
> I'll post the source code and you can look it over and see how we
> could put this into a raid driver. There are still issues with
> the buffer cache despite this, but I consider this progress. I
> look forward to working with you on this if you want to.
Cool. Your stuff seems to have solved some of the problems
that the current Linux code hasn't solved yet. Maybe it would
be a good idea if you worked closer together with the people
who are implementing RAID and clustering for Linux?
With that I don't just mean that you keep us up to date and
we'll have the chance to look at your stuff, but also that
you keep an eye on our developments and help plan the future
of the subsystems you depend on.
When you help design the future, not only will you face less
unpleasant surprises, but the code will also be closer to
what you want it to be and we can anticipate on your needs
(instead of receiving a flame afterwards). Also, your view
of the matter might have improved Linux...
Sure, doing all that might cost you quite a bit of money,
but it would have avoided the $250.000 bill of duplicated
effort, the open source community could have handed you
some valuable ideas that could have saved you even more
work or improved your product -- for free.
That the open source world works differently is not at
all a matter of "get over it".
It's a matter of adapting to the environment and using
it to your advantage...
kind regards,
Rik
--
The Internet is not a network of computers. It is a network
of people. That is its real strength.
Jeff V. Merkey
Rik,
If someone owns an area, the SMART thing is to work through that person
so we don't duplicate effort. What Pavel already has is 98% of what we
need, and I'd rather let him own this area. If he doesn't want to
that's his call, but it makes more work, costs more money, and takes
more time.
If you want to mediate my projects, then perhaps I should coordinate
through you. I need someone to look at our stuff (who is competent with
the RAID stuff, and tell us whether it would make more sense to use
what's already there(my first choice). We can also try to junk up our
brain cells pouring over Pavel's Code, but why should we waste brain
cells storing information we won't use after it's implemented?
Particularly when we have a STUDLY expert like Pavel in this area -- and
who knows, maybe he'll learn something from seeing how someone else does
mirroring and create something even better down the road for Linux?
Jeff
Horst von Brand
> In article <linux.kernel.2000...@titan.tetracon-eng.net>,
> J. Scott Kasten <j...@titan.tetracon-eng.net> wrote:
> >Perhaps you've never worked in a real Operating System development
> >environment before. Things get broken all the time in coporations
> >as the developers grow their products into the next official
> >product release.
> Perhaps it's just me, but doesn't ``but everyone else does it !!!''
> seem like a bit of a copout? Yes, Jeff may have been drunk when
> he posted his original post, but a cry of ``broken interfaces: Not
> A Bug, But A Feature!' seems more like seconding his post instead
> of refuting it.
What is being said is that _during development_ stuff gets redone and at
times broken. By definition of "development". With WinNT, Solaris, SCO et
al you don't ever see the development versions. Everybody sees them (and
some fools even use them day to day :) with Linux.
--
Horst von Brand vonb...@sleipnir.valparaiso.cl
Casilla 9G, Viña del Mar, Chile +56 32 672616
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Henning P. Schmiedehausen
Dear Mr. Merkey,
>I would still like to look at this possibility. I sent you the source
>code for the nwvp.c modules that do the mirroring almost four months ago
I am still waiting for a single byte of source code for Linux showing
up on your ftp://207.109.151.240. You talk and talk. Where is the
code?
If you're so generous in mailing around the source, then I'd really
like to take a look at your stuff, I'm in the process of designing a
multi-TB server farm and so far I will either go with NetApp or a
really stable Linux solution. Reiserfs/LVM seemed to be nice but the
LVM has constraints at 256GB.
Where is the code you're always talking about?
>-- you ignored them. I'll post the source code and you can look it over
Please, _do_ it.
Regards
Henning
--
Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- h...@tanstaafl.de
TANSTAAFL! Consulting - Unix, Internet, Security
Hutweide 15 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 "There ain't no such
D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20 thing as a free Linux"
Sven Rudolph
> Reiserfs/LVM seemed to be nice but the
> LVM has constraints at 256GB.
Unless you raise the size of the physical extents.
Sven
Hans Reiser
factor of 32 or so, yes?
Hans
"Henning P. Schmiedehausen" wrote:
>
> jme...@timpanogas.com (Jeff V. Merkey) writes:
>
> Dear Mr. Merkey,
>
> >I would still like to look at this possibility. I sent you the source
> >code for the nwvp.c modules that do the mirroring almost four months ago
>
> I am still waiting for a single byte of source code for Linux showing
> up on your ftp://207.109.151.240. You talk and talk. Where is the
> code?
>
> If you're so generous in mailing around the source, then I'd really
> like to take a look at your stuff, I'm in the process of designing a
> multi-TB server farm and so far I will either go with NetApp or a
> really stable Linux solution. Reiserfs/LVM seemed to be nice but the
> LVM has constraints at 256GB.
>
> Where is the code you're always talking about?
>
> >-- you ignored them. I'll post the source code and you can look it over
>
> Please, _do_ it.
>
> Regards
> Henning
>
> --
> Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- h...@tanstaafl.de
> TANSTAAFL! Consulting - Unix, Internet, Security
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> factor of 32 or so, yes?
Correct!
>
> Hans
>
> "Henning P. Schmiedehausen" wrote:
> >
> > jme...@timpanogas.com (Jeff V. Merkey) writes:
> >
> > Dear Mr. Merkey,
> >
> > >I would still like to look at this possibility. I sent you the source
> > >code for the nwvp.c modules that do the mirroring almost four months ago
> >
> > I am still waiting for a single byte of source code for Linux showing
> > up on your ftp://207.109.151.240. You talk and talk. Where is the
> > code?
> >
> > If you're so generous in mailing around the source, then I'd really
> > like to take a look at your stuff, I'm in the process of designing a
> > multi-TB server farm and so far I will either go with NetApp or a
> > really stable Linux solution. Reiserfs/LVM seemed to be nice but the
> > LVM has constraints at 256GB.
LVM doesn't have this restriction.
If you choose a Physical Extent size of more than 4MB (which is the default
today) at volume group creation time you are able to address multiple
Terabytes directly today.
BTW: LVM command vgcreate(8) tells you about the constraints implied
by the Physical Extend size and if you don't like them just remove
your new Volume Group and recreate it with corrected Physical Extent size.
This is a question of a minute's work.
Nevertheless with IA32 you are still restricted to a maximum of 1 Terabyte
(2 Terabyte if the kernel is unsigned int/long cast clean) per single
block device.
The LVM therefore is able to deal with up to the possible 128 scsi disk
subsystems each of them up to 2 Terabytes in size (the limits implied
by the 8 bit minor number scheme can be worked arround by devfs and will
disapear anyway in the future). You can add some IDE disks as well 8-{)
All these disk subsystems can be configured into a single Volume Group
giving you a "Virtual Disk" of up to 256 Terabyte in size on IA32 today.
Nevertheless, as i mentioned above, a single Logical Volume becausecan only
have a size of up to 2 Terabytes (1 Terabyte garanteed 8), because its just
another block device.
In theory on 64 bit architectures these constraints should not exist at all.
You'll tell us if they still do, right ;-{)))
Heinz
> >
> > Where is the code you're always talking about?
> >
> > >-- you ignored them. I'll post the source code and you can look it over
> >
> > Please, _do_ it.
> >
> > Regards
> > Henning
> >
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Henning P. Schmiedehausen
>What constraints? You can just increase the size of the physical extents by a
>factor of 32 or so, yes?
>Hans
Hi,
yes, one can. Thanks to everyone who pointed me to this.
Regards
Henning
>"Henning P. Schmiedehausen" wrote:
[...]
>> If you're so generous in mailing around the source, then I'd really
>> like to take a look at your stuff, I'm in the process of designing a
>> multi-TB server farm and so far I will either go with NetApp or a
>> really stable Linux solution. Reiserfs/LVM seemed to be nice but the
>> LVM has constraints at 256GB.