[Haskell-cafe] On being called a troll
Günther Schmidt
this post is to argue my own case.
Today I have made the most upsetting experience of being called a troll,
twice.
I have posted to this list for over 3 years now and until lately it was
an enlightening experience. The responses to my questions have usually
been helpful and friendly.
But for some time now, I have noticed that the tone on this list has
changed. It seems to have become ok to respond quite brutally and
without regard for the other persons feelings. It also seems to have
become ok to chime in. For some reason it has become acceptable to
politicalize a subject at the earliest convenience and take the gloves off.
I am 42 now and am surprised how much this still hurts, after all I
survived the schoolyard bullies and who would have thought that these
times would ever come again?
I urge you, my fellow haskellers, to show some restraint when we are
dealing with one another on this list. And to think twice before you
launch a personal attack.
Gï¿œnther
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Anton van Straaten
On 10/27/2010 05:12 PM, you wrote:
> For some reason it has become acceptable to
> politicalize a subject at the earliest convenience and take the gloves off.
You were the first offender, when you wrote the following:
"since there is no mail client library even after 10+ years I suggest to
rethink the approach, because frankly, it's not working."
Nobody provoked this comment, it was apparently a result of nothing more
than your rather immature frustration at being unable to immediately
obtain a free library to satisfy your needs with little effort on your part.
"Trolling" is one of the kinder words that could be used to describe
such behavior.
> I urge you, my fellow haskellers, to show some restraint when we are
> dealing with one another on this list.
It would help your own credibility if you would acknowledge your own
role in the matter before calling for others to show restraint. If you
were to follow your own advice, you wouldn't need to be posting comments
like this.
Anton
Antoine Latter
> Hi everyone,
>
> this post is to argue my own case.
>
> Today I have made the most upsetting experience of being called a troll,
> twice.
>
> I have posted to this list for over 3 years now and until lately it was an
> enlightening experience. The responses to my questions have usually been
> helpful and friendly.
>
> But for some time now, I have noticed that the tone on this list has
> changed. It seems to have become ok to respond quite brutally and without
> regard for the other persons feelings. It also seems to have become ok to
> chime in. For some reason it has become acceptable to politicalize a subject
> at the earliest convenience and take the gloves off.
>
I'm in favor of keeping personal accusations off of this list. Calling
someone a troll on a public list isn't really helpful to the
conversation.
In extreme cases, I think some folks have the ability to moderate the
list - so it isn't like we need to resort to public personal attacks
to keep the discussion productive.
> I am 42 now and am surprised how much this still hurts, after all I survived
> the schoolyard bullies and who would have thought that these times would
> ever come again?
>
> I urge you, my fellow haskellers, to show some restraint when we are dealing
> with one another on this list. And to think twice before you launch a
> personal attack.
>
> Günther
Ketil Malde
>> I have posted to this list for over 3 years now and until lately it was an
>> enlightening experience. The responses to my questions have usually been
>> helpful and friendly.
Right - in most cases, the Haskell community is fanatically non-hostile.
At least compared to other mailing lists or newsgroups I've subscribed
to.
> I'm in favor of keeping personal accusations off of this list. Calling
> someone a troll on a public list isn't really helpful to the conversation.
+1
I think the trollishness refers to somebody with three years experience
with Haskell and this list, insisting that there should be a centralized
leadership, or that somebody ought to commission some particular
functionality. This shows a surprising lack of understanding of how an
open-source community works, which is easyly interpreted as trolling
(i.e. posting just to provoke a response).
> In extreme cases, I think some folks have the ability to moderate the
> list - so it isn't like we need to resort to public personal attacks
> to keep the discussion productive.
>> I am 42 now and am surprised how much this still hurts, after all I survived
>> the schoolyard bullies and who would have thought that these times would
>> ever come again?
One difference is that online memory is very short. When you ask
another question, this thread will be forgotten, and focus will be back
on subject, not person.
>> I urge you, my fellow haskellers, to show some restraint when we are dealing
>> with one another on this list. And to think twice before you launch a
>> personal attack.
I replied in this thread - I hope you didn't find my replies offensive,
but if I were, I apologize.
-k
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