Re: misc/70231: Beastie not by default
Freddie Cash
From: Freddie Cash <fc...@sd73.bc.ca>
To: freebsd-gn...@freebsd.org, ha...@rootshell.be
Cc:
Subject: Re: misc/70231: Beastie not by default
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:01:27 -0800
If you look at the Beastie Boot menu, it's really two parts: the menu
itself, and the image. Why not make the two parts independent? It's
not like one actually depends on the other.
In fact, by making the two independent, you open the door for people to
create their own custom logos. What's wrong with that?
Ship FreeBSD with the boot menu enabled, the beastie image disabled, and
with a knob for putting in custom images.
Voila! Everybody wins. Those that just want a menu (which is very
useful), can have just a menu. Those that want a menu and the beastie,
can have that. Those that want a menu and a custom image can have
that. And those that want neither the menu nor the image can have that
as well.
Why is this such a big deal??
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Jerry McAllister
> The following reply was made to PR misc/70231; it has been noted by GNATS.
>
> From: Freddie Cash <fc...@sd73.bc.ca>
> To: freebsd-gn...@freebsd.org, ha...@rootshell.be
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: misc/70231: Beastie not by default
> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:01:27 -0800
>
> If you look at the Beastie Boot menu, it's really two parts: the menu
> itself, and the image. Why not make the two parts independent? It's
> not like one actually depends on the other.
>
> In fact, by making the two independent, you open the door for people to
> create their own custom logos. What's wrong with that?
>
> Ship FreeBSD with the boot menu enabled, the beastie image disabled, and
> with a knob for putting in custom images.
>
> Voila! Everybody wins. Those that just want a menu (which is very
> useful), can have just a menu. Those that want a menu and the beastie,
> can have that. Those that want a menu and a custom image can have
> that. And those that want neither the menu nor the image can have that
> as well.
>
> Why is this such a big deal??
No big deal.
Sounds like you now have something to keep you busy over the holidays.
When you get it all working, just submit it as a pr. There are
instructions for submitting a change on the FreeBSD web site.
That's the way things work in the open source freeware community.
////jerry
Freddie Cash
> > Why is this such a big deal??
> No big deal.
> Sounds like you now have something to keep you busy over the
> holidays. When you get it all working, just submit it as a pr. There
> are instructions for submitting a change on the FreeBSD web site.
> That's the way things work in the open source freeware community.
It looks like Scott Long is doing something similar for -CURRENT.
I don't know any forth, but I might be able to hack something up as
proof-of-concept kind of thingy. It can't really be all that hard can
it? :)
Jerry McAllister
> On November 30, 2004 11:10 am, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> > > Why is this such a big deal??
>
> > No big deal.
> > Sounds like you now have something to keep you busy over the
> > holidays. When you get it all working, just submit it as a pr. There
> > are instructions for submitting a change on the FreeBSD web site.
>
> > That's the way things work in the open source freeware community.
>
> It looks like Scott Long is doing something similar for -CURRENT.
>
> I don't know any forth, but I might be able to hack something up as
> proof-of-concept kind of thingy. It can't really be all that hard can
> it? :)
The biggest problem might be having room for it in the place it
must run. If it doesn't need to use/modify the boot block, then it
should be easy.
Hey, there are whole web sites out there about programming in forth.
You can learn.
I waded through it about 6 years ago, but don't remember much.
If someone else is doing it, then give them a little encouragement
and help if needed. That might be quicker than doing it yourself.
By the way, probably bugs isn't the most appropriate place for
this discussion. It ain't a bug. Questions maybe or look
through the list of lists for a better place.
////jerry
Brooks Davis
> >
> > On November 30, 2004 11:10 am, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> > > > Why is this such a big deal??
> >
> > > No big deal.
> > > Sounds like you now have something to keep you busy over the
> > > holidays. When you get it all working, just submit it as a pr. There
> > > are instructions for submitting a change on the FreeBSD web site.
> >
> > > That's the way things work in the open source freeware community.
> >
> > It looks like Scott Long is doing something similar for -CURRENT.
> >
> > I don't know any forth, but I might be able to hack something up as
> > proof-of-concept kind of thingy. It can't really be all that hard can
> > it? :)
>
> The biggest problem might be having room for it in the place it
> must run. If it doesn't need to use/modify the boot block, then it
> should be easy.
There's essentially unlimited memory/storage once you're in the loader.
Obviously, people would probably object if you had 10MB of forth code,
but you've got a file system and access to all of physical memory.
-- Brooks
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Hanspeter Roth
From: Hanspeter Roth <ha...@rootshell.be>
To: "mailto:freebsd-gnats-submit"@FreeBSD.org
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Subject: Re: misc/70231: Beastie not by default
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:52:40 +0100
PR 74577 is related but with different default behavior.