Protein
Unka Bart
I've been noticing a bunch of you talking about nutrition, especially the
necessity to include (sufficient) protein in your diet.
Believe it.
And also believe that you had better do some serious research into how to
acquire adequate protein, if you *don't* eat meat.
And anyone who thinks that you can satisfy this need by eating "peanut
butter" had better be the first to the library.
My mother, may she walk in beauty, died this summer following a fairly
routine surgery; and the direct cause of death was her failure to ingest
sufficient protein over the preceeding year. She thought she was
satisfying this need by eating peanut butter.
You can satisfy the need by eating combinations of plant proteins, but only
meat provides the required mix of amino acids as a single source. Peanut
butter will give you some. Beans *and* rice, I am told, will also. But
your cellular system requires a complex mix of amino acids (the body breaks
protein down into amino acids), and only meat gives you the required mix by
itself.
When mom was admitted into the hospital, they couldn't believe that, at 79,
the *only* medication she was taking was estrogen replacement therapy, and
she was getting that from subcutaneous implants! No PILLS. None! She
was, ostensibly, as robust and healthy as a horse! And she came through
the surgery with flying colors. So well that I left and returned to my
home, three days after the surgery, firmly believing that she would be out
of the hospital in a couple of days.
Well, Murphy was an optimist. By the time I got home (a 2-day drive), she
was experiencing a fluid build-up in her lungs that was not reversible and
that killed her. The fluids came from her cells, the cell walls lacked
certain chemical components that they get from amino acids, and were
collapsing. At that point, there was *nothing* that could be done to save
her.
So, if you don't want meat in your diet, that's your call. But do yourself
a favor and be sure you know how to get the required amino acids, what
*combinations* of (patial) plant proteins to eat. Don't rely on an email
message on some email list, do your own research.
Or not. As the spirit moves ya...
Yer Kindly Ol' Unka Bart
Grrl...@aol.com
GOD Bless,
Delilah
Senex Rupicapra
> So, if you don't want meat in your diet, that's your call. But do yourself
> a favor and be sure you know how to get the required amino acids, what
> *combinations* of (patial) plant proteins to eat. Don't rely on an email
> message on some email list, do your own research.
>
> Or not. As the spirit moves ya...
>
> Yer Kindly Ol' Unka Bart
i found a good compromise to be that i gave up mammal
muscle meats and innards, mammal titty milk (and derivative
products), and animal fats (grease).
fish and fowl i still eat along with scads of
whore glains, fresh veggies, and fruits. sound like a
major upheaval but it aint. the onliest thing i miss is
crema helado.
this dietary adjustment has worked wonders for me.
i feel 20 years younger. (which still puts me well into a
midlife crisis, but what the hell, aint nothing perfect--
except, mebbe, for a three-flavour banana split.)
old-if-i-knowed-i'd-last-this-long-i'da-been-a-lot-carefuller-goat.
"I came into this world,
not chiefly to make this a good place to live in,
but to live in it, be it good or bad."--Thoreau
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Unka Bart
> Thank You. That Kind of advice is treasured by a veggie, ;o)
You''re quite welcome. As with any choice involving a person's own body; to
this old mendicant, the only important thing about the decision is that it
be an informed one. In the case of nutrition, what one doesn't know can,
indeed, kill them. (although absent the experience, I wouldn't have
suspected how important this protein matter could be...)
Death is death and it come to us all eventually, but this isn't one that I,
personally, having witnessed my Mother experience it, would choose. Given
the choice, that is...
Ben
to all the veggies and vegans.
The vegan society (UK) has an interesting page about protein and
amino acids. I hope it is of use.
http://www.vegansociety.com/info/info14.html
Ben
Brian J. Callahan
cc:
Comments by: Brian J. Callahan@MT@DFCI
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THe goat eats things I've never even heard of:
> i found a good compromise to be that i gave up mammal
>muscle meats and innards, mammal titty milk (and derivative
>products), and animal fats (grease).
> fish and fowl i still eat along with scads of
>whore glains, fresh veggies, and fruits. sound like a
I'm interested, of course, in the taste and nutrition of these whore glains,
but even more interested in the process of separating the whore from his/her
glains. Is it a painful process? Do they miss their glains, or do they,
like kidneys, come with a spare?
How 'bout old tin cans, do ya chomp them too?
keri malone
Here I am a champion proof-reader(except my own crap)
and I missed this completely. I will pick my laughing self off the
floor in due course. <oh my gawd!>
Keri
> I'm interested, of course, in the taste and nutrition of these whore glains,
> but even more interested in the process of separating the whore from his/her
> glains. Is it a painful process? Do they miss their glains, or do they,
> like kidneys, come with a spare?
>
> How 'bout old tin cans, do ya chomp them too?
>
>
>Brian
Your flags black in the wind,black for
our sorrow,
red for our blood-Makhnovchtchina
Unka Bart
This is not picking on you at all. However;
> I was not suggesting that anyone could get all their protien from peanut
> butter. In fact, to get protein from peanut butter and no other source
> would probably take an active effort.
It would take more than active effort, it would take a redesign of the
amino acid constituent mix of the protein in peanut butter. In other
words, it can't be done. But you can supplement peanut butter with
something else (I don't know what it is, but I'm sure it's not a secret.)
> What I was saying was that there
> are a lot of ways to get protein that don't involve meat or even animal
> products.
You are quite correct. I said that.
While it does occasionally happen that someone can't get enough
> protein without meat, this is the exception rather than the rule.
No, you can get all the protein you need without meat, you just can't get
it as *easily* and you can't get it from a single source, as you can with
meat.
Protein is only important because it is the source of the amino acids that
you body needs to keep itself functioning. Mom found out the hard way that
we need *all* those amino acids, and only meat-protein contains them all in
a single "container."
The
> only times I've ever seen it were in a vegetarian who lived on junk food,
> and a guy at college here who has some kind of medical disorder that makes
> him need obscene amounts of protein. I've heard it happens to some
> vegetarians with eating disorders, but eating disorders cause all kinds of
> problems, it's why they're called 'disorders'.
There's another issue that you raise indirectly. That is the insidious
effect of age.
Young folks have absolutely *no* idea how much age changes the body. Young
folks tend to feel invincible simply because young bodies can absorb
*incredible* amounts of abuse without showing any signs of it. Thus a
young person could likely abuse their system by eating only incomplete
proteins, like peanut butter, and not be (apparently) any the worse for
wear. Alas, we get old and things catch up with us. The older we get, the
less able to get away with abusing our bodies and systems we are.
Some of the abuse that we seemingly "skate free" of actually is taking a
toll, it's just that the damage is very, even almost infinitesimally small
and we don't see it happening. And not seeing it, we think it isn't
happening...
Some of this damage is repairable, given an end to the abuse and sufficient
time for healing, but some is not and the effects build up cumulatively.
Trust me on this
I get a reminder of this every day when I go to the gym for my daily dose
of pain and humiliation. It seems that all the iron in my blood has
transmuted into lead in my ass...
> After the first time my mom had cancer, they told her she'd live 6
> monthes. She read up on dietary stuff, cut most meats and all dairy and
> white sugar out of her diet and lived another eight years. I gave up meat
> after she got sick the first time in the interests of not getting cancer
> myself. I've been vegetarian for 10 years, vegan for 6, never once
> worried about protein combining although I have read about it(I just try
> to eat well, and don't really eat junk food) and never once had any
> problems with my diet. I have had a lot of problems with people (mostly
> my dad) telling me I was going to die of malnutrition if I didn't start
> eating meat and dairy again.
>
> Francis Moore Lappe's _Diet for a Small Planet_ has information on protien
> combining, more in the original than in the 20th anniversary edition.
> Other than that, I'd recommend checking the web.
Yep. My point was that it *is* necessary to inform one's self about these
things if one wants to give up meat. I make no judgements on the wisdom of
eating meat or not eating meat. Do what ever pleases you.
Senex Rupicapra
thanks, Br'er Bear. personally, i like a peanut butter,
lettuce, tomato, onion, and mustard sandwich on whole-grain bread
with a kosher dill pickel on the side and an O'Doul's chaser.
yummy! talk about yr healthy eating--yowza, yowza!
old goat.
pain is inescapable;
suffering is optional.
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danceswithcarp
On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, Senex Rupicapra requoted over 5K to say this:
> thanks, Br'er Bear. personally, i like a peanut butter,
> lettuce, tomato, onion, and mustard sandwich on whole-grain bread
> with a kosher dill pickel on the side and an O'Doul's chaser.
> yummy! talk about yr healthy eating--yowza, yowza!
I think we should all have a moment of silence marking the unexpected
demise of ol' goat's edit function.
Shhhhhhhhh.
okay, you can talk now.
carpo
Dave Hayman
with onion & mustard? Yecch!