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ac has left a new comment on your post "(Latin Pop/Rock) Lights In Fantasy (Vocals, Lyrics...":
uploaded a trial with the flute an octave higher yesterday and posted a comment. Strangely the upload is there but the comment didn't shpw on the page. anyway, the flute is here: http://www.4shared.com/file/112046673/9a85e737/lights_in_fantasy_flute4.html
see if it sounds ok and if it needs changes.
Posted by ac to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at June 17, 2009 9:31 AM
uploaded a trial with the flute an octave higher yesterday and posted a comment. Strangely the upload is there but the comment didn't shpw on the page. anyway, the flute is here: http://www.4shared.com/file/112046673/9a85e737/lights_in_fantasy_flute4.html
see if it sounds ok and if it needs changes.
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AC, & Leo-
This is just my opinion, so please let me know if you agree, or disagree:
Myself I think the flute in general fits the feel of the song. Having said that I think it needs some arrangement help. I've been thinking to myself that the flute would make a good lead instrument. In other words, I'm thinking it should mostly be used where Leo is not singing. The song is just about at 3 minutes in lenght now. It would not hurt it at all to make a section for the flute to play as the lead, where Leo is not singing. I keep hearing myself saying that the flute as is, draws attention away from the vocals. The listener's attention goes to the flute instead of Leo's vocals, which to me is where it belongs. That means the two parts are competing for the spotlight. So to me it makes sense to have AC's part where Leo is not singing. In essence I am saying it needs arrangement to help this competition thing. If you ask me (and I know you haven't), AC's parts would work better if it were arranged as I've described.
AC this last mix you sent seems to be very similar to the first for octave. If it were arranged, the octave would not be a problem I think. The octave thing was just a suggestion. A test. I believe arrangement is more to the point than octave.
One thing that pointed this out is how AC played on the intro. There was no competition. It illustrates what I am thinking. So....
If you are all agreeable, AC send up your separate, and I'll try working on the arrangement a little and see if I can demonstrate what I'm saying. I can help I believe if you are agreeable with this.
Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at June 17, 2009 10:23 AM
AC, & Leo-
This is just my opinion, so please let me know if you agree, or disagree:
Myself I think the flute in general fits the feel of the song. Having said that I think it needs some arrangement help. I've been thinking to myself that the flute would make a good lead instrument. In other words, I'm thinking it should mostly be used where Leo is not singing. The song is just about at 3 minutes in lenght now. It would not hurt it at all to make a section for the flute to play as the lead, where Leo is not singing. I keep hearing myself saying that the flute as is, draws attention away from the vocals. The listener's attention goes to the flute instead of Leo's vocals, which to me is where it belongs. That means the two parts are competing for the spotlight. So to me it makes sense to have AC's part where Leo is not singing. In essence I am saying it needs arrangement to help this competition thing. If you ask me (and I know you haven't), AC's parts would work better if it were arranged as I've described.
AC this last mix you sent seems to be very similar to the first for octave. If it were arranged, the octave would not be a problem I think. The octave thing was just a suggestion. A test. I believe arrangement is more to the point than octave.
One thing that pointed this out is how AC played on the intro. There was no competition. It illustrates what I am thinking. So....
If you are all agreeable, AC send up your separate, and I'll try working on the arrangement a little and see if I can demonstrate what I'm saying. I can help I believe if you are agreeable with this.
Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at June 17, 2009 10:23 AM
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1oneleo has left a new comment on your post "(Latin Pop/Rock) Lights In Fantasy (Vocals, Lyrics...":
For me is valid! We can build one or more versions as experience. The flute is competing with the vocal, I think the same... its a lead intr in this case, but it can be part of vocal in some parts if it ports as secondary line (few notes, few variation...low volume).
Fred.. I never hear the first opinion of a Doctor, only if my insticts trust him, but is a good thing ask for another opinion... to make sure..
Posted by 1oneleo to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at June 17, 2009 12:38 PM
For me is valid! We can build one or more versions as experience. The flute is competing with the vocal, I think the same... its a lead intr in this case, but it can be part of vocal in some parts if it ports as secondary line (few notes, few variation...low volume).
Fred.. I never hear the first opinion of a Doctor, only if my insticts trust him, but is a good thing ask for another opinion... to make sure..
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If the flute is with the vocals, yes it should be low, and I believe should maybe be in between phrases.
I am still learning and if we are smart we will always keep an open mind, no matter how experienced we are. So I try to listen to what others say, because I'm always learning. I try to have a reason for what I'm after or my comments. I like to be able to explain why I think something.
The bottom line is that it is your song Leo and your way should be done, no matter my experience. If I don't have a reason, I say tha too. A person can like something and not have a reason.
But we should maybe have a reason not to like something or why it doesn't work. I don't always have a reason to like something, but I almost always can say why I don't like something.
Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at June 17, 2009 12:46 PM
If the flute is with the vocals, yes it should be low, and I believe should maybe be in between phrases.
I am still learning and if we are smart we will always keep an open mind, no matter how experienced we are. So I try to listen to what others say, because I'm always learning. I try to have a reason for what I'm after or my comments. I like to be able to explain why I think something.
The bottom line is that it is your song Leo and your way should be done, no matter my experience. If I don't have a reason, I say tha too. A person can like something and not have a reason.
But we should maybe have a reason not to like something or why it doesn't work. I don't always have a reason to like something, but I almost always can say why I don't like something.
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following the comments from here I also agree with what you are saying. what we're talking about is then changing the arrangement to fit a lead flute.
do you have a preference as to which separate I should upload or do you want both? I can also hold on till the arrangement is sorted and then redo the flute part accordingly. Up to you guys!!
Posted by ac to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at June 17, 2009 12:56 PM
following the comments from here I also agree with what you are saying. what we're talking about is then changing the arrangement to fit a lead flute.
do you have a preference as to which separate I should upload or do you want both? I can also hold on till the arrangement is sorted and then redo the flute part accordingly. Up to you guys!!
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Hahaha...the last phrase in my comment was about your medicines...
I dont know how to mark the post "Yesterday they finally gave me the two drugs I should be taking...Our medical system here is a joke..."
Thats what I mean... sorry..:-)
Posted by 1oneleo to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at June 17, 2009 1:03 PM
Hahaha...the last phrase in my comment was about your medicines...
I dont know how to mark the post "Yesterday they finally gave me the two drugs I should be taking...Our medical system here is a joke..."
Thats what I mean... sorry..:-)
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Upload both AC. You ALWAYS have the option to do another take if you don't like where it's going.
What I'm saying here Leo is that if I don't like something and you do, then what YOU wanted is how it'd go, because it is your song. That is the rule. If two people don't see something the same way (and it happens all the time), it is settled by what the owner of the song wants. That's how we settle differences. The owner's way is the way it goes.
It has happened more than once that I didn't like something and the owner did like it and it was used in spite of what I said about it. I didn't like it, but that's the rule so I respected it.
It keeps any arguement short.
So far we've all pretty much agreed so it didn't come to that.
Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at June 17, 2009 1:16 PM
Upload both AC. You ALWAYS have the option to do another take if you don't like where it's going.
What I'm saying here Leo is that if I don't like something and you do, then what YOU wanted is how it'd go, because it is your song. That is the rule. If two people don't see something the same way (and it happens all the time), it is settled by what the owner of the song wants. That's how we settle differences. The owner's way is the way it goes.
It has happened more than once that I didn't like something and the owner did like it and it was used in spite of what I said about it. I didn't like it, but that's the rule so I respected it.
It keeps any arguement short.
So far we've all pretty much agreed so it didn't come to that.
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uploaded two mp3 files with the flutes to the separates folder. unable to copy and paste links (I think it's my computer). the files are called flute1 and flute2. If you need the wav files give us a shout and I'll upload tomorrow.
Posted by ac to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at June 17, 2009 1:55 PM
uploaded two mp3 files with the flutes to the separates folder. unable to copy and paste links (I think it's my computer). the files are called flute1 and flute2. If you need the wav files give us a shout and I'll upload tomorrow.
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ac said...
"uploaded two mp3 files with the flutes to the separates folder. unable to copy and paste links (I think it's my computer). the files are called flute1 and flute2. If you need the wav files give us a shout and I'll upload tomorrow."
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Ok got 'em
Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at June 18, 2009 11:00 AM
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ac said...
"uploaded two mp3 files with the flutes to the separates folder. unable to copy and paste links (I think it's my computer). the files are called flute1 and flute2. If you need the wav files give us a shout and I'll upload tomorrow."
Ok got 'em
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http://www.4shared.com/file/112870706/2af44829/Lights_In_Fantasy_Flute_Intro.html<---Click this
Notice how the intro has been lengthened. I added another measure before the congas/vocals come in. This allows more time for the flute to play as a lead instrument. You might not think this has accomplished much, but there was a tremendous amount of editing and testing AC's phrases to find the right ones that go with this intro. So by the time I actually got to this point the fatigue was there (a lot of editing work). So I'm taking a break to keep my mind fresh.
That is another trick for the studio Leo. Don't push yourself when you are fatigued (tired). When your mind is telling you to stop, you should. It helps keep your mind fresh, and the boredom down. I take breaks quite often when working in the studio. It means you take less time in the long run. So even though it seems i didn't do a lot of work (because you only hear the intro in this excerpt), there was considerable editing and testing involved in this arrangement. I had to add a measure to 6 tracks.... etc. I won't itemize the work. it's slow but I feel it produces results.
I'll do some more in an hour or two hopefully.
Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at June 19, 2009 7:49 AM
Notice how the intro has been lengthened. I added another measure before the congas/vocals come in. This allows more time for the flute to play as a lead instrument. You might not think this has accomplished much, but there was a tremendous amount of editing and testing AC's phrases to find the right ones that go with this intro. So by the time I actually got to this point the fatigue was there (a lot of editing work). So I'm taking a break to keep my mind fresh.
That is another trick for the studio Leo. Don't push yourself when you are fatigued (tired). When your mind is telling you to stop, you should. It helps keep your mind fresh, and the boredom down. I take breaks quite often when working in the studio. It means you take less time in the long run. So even though it seems i didn't do a lot of work (because you only hear the intro in this excerpt), there was considerable editing and testing involved in this arrangement. I had to add a measure to 6 tracks.... etc. I won't itemize the work. it's slow but I feel it produces results.
I'll do some more in an hour or two hopefully.
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1oneleo has left a new comment on your post "(Latin Pop/Rock) Lights In Fantasy (Vocals, Lyrics...":
Fred, this intro is very cool, now the both lines, flute and vocal are in sync!
Great Job!...I´ll remake the guitar following a base mix when you realease with this modifications...and rec one more takes of vocal for editing.
Posted by 1oneleo to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at June 19, 2009 9:44 AM
Fred, this intro is very cool, now the both lines, flute and vocal are in sync!
Great Job!...I´ll remake the guitar following a base mix when you realease with this modifications...and rec one more takes of vocal for editing.
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Yes the two parts don't fight each other for the spotlight this way. I am thinking I will be able to put flute phrases in between vocal phrases, so they don't step on each other...
Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at June 19, 2009 9:52 AM
Yes the two parts don't fight each other for the spotlight this way. I am thinking I will be able to put flute phrases in between vocal phrases, so they don't step on each other...
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I don't ask people to hurry. There is no reason to push your schedule. But to not respond at all even after a year. There is no interest then. It should die, and we will allow it to be replaced with new then. That is the way of life...
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ac has left a new comment on your post "(Latin Pop/Rock) Lights In Fantasy (Vocals, Lyrics...":
lovely work Fred!! the intro flows beautifully. can't wait to hear the rest
Posted by ac to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at June 19, 2009 1:16 PM
lovely work Fred!! the intro flows beautifully. can't wait to hear the rest
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Fred, another take...with a few differences of the others... send me a feedback later.
:-)
Posted by 1oneleo to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at June 19, 2009 1:51 PM
Fred, another take...with a few differences of the others... send me a feedback later.
:-)
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V3 vocal on the top (4shared)...I can´t copy+paste the link here is blocked.
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yes I found it Leo. I used the help that is just above the files area. In between the two windows. It tells you how to bring the last uploaded file to the top of the list even if you don't know what it's called.
I will probably put it in and give you feedback tomorrow. I just finished another session with the flute (under the verse this time), so I'm giving it a little rest until maybe tomorrow. Thanks!
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yes I found it Leo. I used the help that is just above the files area. In between the two windows. It tells you how to bring the last uploaded file to the top of the list even if you don't know what it's called.
I will probably put it in and give you feedback tomorrow. I just finished another session with the flute (under the verse this time), so I'm giving it a little rest until maybe tomorrow. Thanks!
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I'm in session with the flute right now. I should have something to show you shortly. I'll try your new vox in and we can talk about it too...
Watch this space...
Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at June 20, 2009 7:58 AM
I'm in session with the flute right now. I should have something to show you shortly. I'll try your new vox in and we can talk about it too...
Watch this space...
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http://www.4shared.com/file/113074279/36871f1a/Lights_In_Fantasy_Flute_Roughed.html<---Click this
Ok here's an arrangement for flute 1 time through (roughed out). The part under the verse is new. I wrote it for the verse, in an attempt to find complementing accompanyment. The intro and the chorus are AC's parts with my arrangement help. I basically adjusted AC's parts to stay in the box for the scale. In his auditions he didn't stay in the box. Stay notes. Bot most of his work was usable with a little help. The high octave (under the chorus) might be a little loud. My ears are fatigued now. Will mix a little better later, if accepted.
I will do another session later for your new vocs Leo. I want to take one thing at a time, but I will get to it.
Actually I like the vocals you have in there now with the exception of a few places. I can identify them for you if you want. Maybe we can use those spots in this new take....
More later....
Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at June 20, 2009 9:32 AM
Ok here's an arrangement for flute 1 time through (roughed out). The part under the verse is new. I wrote it for the verse, in an attempt to find complementing accompanyment. The intro and the chorus are AC's parts with my arrangement help. I basically adjusted AC's parts to stay in the box for the scale. In his auditions he didn't stay in the box. Stay notes. Bot most of his work was usable with a little help. The high octave (under the chorus) might be a little loud. My ears are fatigued now. Will mix a little better later, if accepted.
I will do another session later for your new vocs Leo. I want to take one thing at a time, but I will get to it.
Actually I like the vocals you have in there now with the exception of a few places. I can identify them for you if you want. Maybe we can use those spots in this new take....
More later....
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Leo-
You mentioned redoing the guitar on this. I actually think the guitars are fine. I will EQ them a little later and try to bring in the low and mid frequencies, because it feels a little thin for frequency, but that is not really a problem. I think I can make it sound fuller when I get to EQ/Mix mode. We are working with arrangment now so I don't bother with that. Just some EQ is really all the guitar needs if you ask me.
Now if you have some reason to redo the guitar that I am not aware of that's fine. Everyone is ok to redo anything they like, but I have no problem with the guitar other than EQ which will be addressed later....
Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at June 20, 2009 9:37 AM
You mentioned redoing the guitar on this. I actually think the guitars are fine. I will EQ them a little later and try to bring in the low and mid frequencies, because it feels a little thin for frequency, but that is not really a problem. I think I can make it sound fuller when I get to EQ/Mix mode. We are working with arrangment now so I don't bother with that. Just some EQ is really all the guitar needs if you ask me.
Now if you have some reason to redo the guitar that I am not aware of that's fine. Everyone is ok to redo anything they like, but I have no problem with the guitar other than EQ which will be addressed later....
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Leo-
I just had an idea for this song that might send it over the edge for production. if it works like I'm hearing in my head I think you will love it..... Leo-
I also had some inspiration for a second verse (if you haven't already). Not a peep out of Phil, so I guess we will do this ourselves. I do ok with lyrics, and I am liking what I am hearing from you as well. You have good ideas that i can help you with grammar on. I have had some inspiration on this as I am listening more and more. Some vocal ideas that will make this grand....
If my voice were in tact i could sing the hell out of this both lead and backing. Maybe some of the lurkers will jump in once I introduce my new ideas for devouring.... LOL
The tune is transforming yet again... But I am feeling good about it. It has real potential. Wait until you hear what I have in store. One step at a time though.
You can work on other songs while I get things together on this....
It's getting fun!
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QUOTE: 1oneleo said...
"Fred, another take...with a few differences of the others... send me a feedback later.
:-)"
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Yes I heard the differences. It's hard to know without hearing it mixed. I'll try mixing this tomorrow. For now off to sleep....
Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at June 21, 2009 8:52 PM
QUOTE: 1oneleo said...
"Fred, another take...with a few differences of the others... send me a feedback later.
:-)"
Yes I heard the differences. It's hard to know without hearing it mixed. I'll try mixing this tomorrow. For now off to sleep....
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