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Project initiated. Click this:
http://fjamstudios.blogspot.com/2009/10/rock-she-drums.html



Posted by F-Jam Alert to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 15, 2009 9:05 AM

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Shades of Axle Rose on the vox Tim. Cool!



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 15, 2009 9:15 AM

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http://www.4shared.com/file/141139775/2a33232f/She_drum1.html<---Click this



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 15, 2009 12:41 PM

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Tim-


Glad you liked the drums. I'll add some more rolls as you suggested in PM.

On this roject page, notice in the files area that we are not actually displaying the She folder. I'd like to display the actual folder here. The link at the top of the She folder is greyed out for e though. If you login to 4shared, and go into the "She" folder and then click the "Activate" button at the top it should make this linkable for me.



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 16, 2009 6:28 AM

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Ok you'll notice the actual folder containing the files now shows on the project page here Tim. I could get the link after you activated the folder. Cool. Thanks. Just takes a little getting used to how 4 shared.com works. It integrates into the project page nicely, and YOU have full control over the files there this way.

You actually should have control over the status window at the top too. Allowing you to update the status of the project up there too. I will add you to that part too so you can do that. I just didn't want to overwhelm you. You are supposed to have control over all aspects of your project page once it's setup. Files, and status.

It's really not hard once you get the big picture.


So do you want Keeper added to the roster for drums? I'll edit it in if so. And I'll give you permission to edit the status window. You'll get an e-mail telling you you have permission.

There is a HELP link just under the status window that explains how to update the status window. Watch the video and you'll then know what it's all about.



Posted by F-Jam Alert to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 16, 2009 7:59 AM

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LOL, I just noticed that your upload permissions on the "she" folder is turned off. I know this because the upload device is not visible on it anymore. You gotta activate the upload permissions on that folder to allow outsiders to upload auditions. As I recall you go into the she folder and right click and put a checkmark in the upload permissions. Once you do that I should see the upload device (form) again. You have full control over all aspects of the permissions on your folder there. You could even put a password on it, but in this case you want to make it public and allow uploading with the permissions.

That's really the only two settings. Activate which you just did, and allow uploading permission. Let me know.... I'll check it again for you.



Posted by F-Jam Alert to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 16, 2009 8:15 AM

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Status and "Latest Mix" have been updated, adding Keeper to the roster for drums.



Posted by F-Jam Alert to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 16, 2009 8:27 AM

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Added some more rolls to verse and chorus as requested. Need to listen a bit to this and then revise where needed.

She Drum_2<---Click this



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 17, 2009 10:50 AM

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Here's a wav separate to mix. Enjoy!

She_drum_separate<---Click this



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 17, 2009 12:58 PM

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I've uploaded a MixnMaster version, sounds great with the exception of the ending verses - is it just me or is the the ride bell a dB or 3 too loud?



Posted by Yellow Dwarf to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 17, 2009 1:44 PM

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I couldn't hear it very well in the last mix I did so I nudged it up a little (the bell). I might have gone too far. I'll back 'er down a hair and send another.



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 17, 2009 2:23 PM

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Hope this is enough:

She_drum_separate_less_bell<---Click this



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 17, 2009 2:34 PM

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Thanks Fred, for doing this. I'm downloading and will have it up in 15 minutes.



Posted by Yellow Dwarf to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 17, 2009 2:40 PM

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Not a problem Tim. Looking forward to mixing a little myself...



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 17, 2009 2:43 PM

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It's there, my man. Thanks again!



Posted by Yellow Dwarf to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 17, 2009 2:56 PM

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How does it sound, I added 2 dB at 85, a bit on the top, 2 or 3 at 300 or so, and -2 or 3 at 1000 ish?



Posted by Yellow Dwarf to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 17, 2009 3:22 PM

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Oops pressed enter too soon. I was trying to take something off the drums, no compression, but the snare has/d a little to much snap, etc. I love doing the whole kit, but only time will tell!



Posted by Yellow Dwarf to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 17, 2009 3:24 PM

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Well mix is a subjective thing. There is nor right or wrong. We all mix differently.


I myself would like to see the distorted guitar fattened up and brought up in the mix a bit. The power chords in the chorus specifically. To me it kinda feels like it's all clean guitar.

I'd probably be trying to EQ the bass to give it definition too. It has quite a bit of rumble to it to my ear... But not bad....

I also feel like the guitars are pulling the beat. Just slightly ahead of it.

Are you gonna post seps?



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 17, 2009 3:33 PM

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My, Fred, you do have a good ear.

I "nudged" the drums back 2 whatever-it-isses before mixing ... only because I heard something and gave it a shot.

Nice catch!

The bass has a rumble on purpose - I recorded it through my guitar amp (I don't have a bass amp and record direct in through a DI), with some cool effects. That was what set the song off in my head, just effing around with the bass like that. I built the song around it.

Sure, if you like, I can post the tracks. I'd just have to bounce them and upload. I'm pretty sure you're a better mixer and absolutely sure you're a better masterer than me. I've only been at this close to 5 years now, which is beat by 35 in most counting systems I know ...

Just say the word and I'll bounce and upload.



Posted by Yellow Dwarf to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 17, 2009 4:01 PM

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I have a lot to learn myself Tim. I mostly just fly by instinct, and what I like. Probably same as you. I usually have a reason for what I do, and if not, I'm experimenting just to see how it sounds.

There is no right. I'd just like to try to fatten the distorted guitar, and define the bass a little with EQ. I'm a stickler about timing. At least to the point where it is not a distraction to the listener.

Everyone who is worth a damn has their own opinions. But we can agree ahead of time that the author of the song makes final decisions. It's how we keep peace with so many opinions.

You may not even like what I do. And there are others who are subscribed who are very good with mixes, and could offer up some good suggestions. The day I stop learning from others, they will be shoveling dirt over me.

I may not agree with others all the time, but I learn. Especially if they have a reason for doing something and make sense. Oh and they make it sound good too.

My strongest points in all of this are probably editing, and timing tweaks. I am better than most on those. But there are folks all around us that I consider better at mix/master than I am.

Most take more time than do I, and have cracked the books more. So I usually just let my ear, and gut guide me.

I may do things to the mix that you don't like, and I will. That's a given. So what I do Tim, is I'll offer my opinion/suggestions and then respect your final decisions. You know what you like and it's your property. I'll have a go, and hopefully you'll like it. If not, i can live with it, and your way will stand. That is our rule.



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 17, 2009 6:51 PM

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Oops, I commented in the wrong thread. Please have a look at the Reach the Sky comment!



Posted by Yellow Dwarf to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 18, 2009 7:57 AM

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Soon as I can find some time and get organized I'll try some ideas for lead on this. Could save me some time if you tell me what chords you are using...

-Fred



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 19, 2009 6:34 AM

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Key of E

Intro/verse = E
Chorus = E D E

Outro = B A E and last two time = B A G G# E



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 19, 2009 1:21 PM

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Ok here's an attempt to fatten up the distorted guitar. Hopefully...


She Fat<---Click this



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 19, 2009 2:27 PM

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I'm just about to start uploading the tracks for you, I'll listen in a minute!



Posted by Yellow Dwarf to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 19, 2009 2:29 PM

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I do like that sound! Nice eq'ing ...



Posted by Yellow Dwarf to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 19, 2009 2:43 PM

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I haven't done any EQing yet Tim. I just did another guitar track and laid it against the mix to beef it up. I will send this track to you once we get some leads worked out. I can send the rythm to you now if you really want to have it, but it's morphing with each track I post. I recommend waiting until my slant on guitar leads suit you. I have the amp setting I used saved so I'll use it on lead and see what she do (punn). Might go to another lead FX once we get an arrangement that suits you. In the back of my mind I want to try some backward FX. Gotta hear it in context to know.

I'll work it some more later. Taking a rest for now...



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 19, 2009 2:48 PM

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Hi Tim. Just a quick comment about how I work when mixing. I usually take one track at a time and check it against the click or drums (if the drums are in time with the DAW grid). I listen for big discrepencies in timing. Not perfection, but things that might distract the listener. I started with "rythm2.wav" this morning. It's actually good news. When I listened I found it consistantly ahead of the beat a hair. Like it was pulling it along. So I just nudged the whole track back in time just a tad, and VIOLA! the who track stayed in time with the drums without a single further adjustment. Stayed with it to the end! Tells me your timing is fine really. It must just be an alignment thing. Easily fixed.

If all the tracks go this way this should go quickly.

I am having to boost the volume of the tracks as they seem to be rendered at low levels, but again this is minor. Better too low than too hot. Mostly I gotta boost them so to make it easier to visualize you wavform against the DAW grid. If a track is off time by listening, i can usually see it right away when i look at it, and the correction is easy.

Just thought you would like to know what I've found on this, because it means your timing isn't bad. More it's an alignment thing between the tracks.

If you want to hear I can make a demo mp3 for you to let you hear how the drums and your rythm sound together with the start time adjusted back a hair to relax it (compared to how it was before).

These things I mention here are small and this is good news.

What type of headphones are you using to monitor while recording? Do they cup your ear?



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 21, 2009 8:02 AM

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WOW! Different story with "rythm1.wav". That one is all over the place compared to rythm 2. I think that is the one I was hearing the most when I spoke of timing. Feels like you are playing the same thing (except for timing). You might be better off to just use "rythm2.wav". Let me see what I can do to correct rythm1, but it seems a little redundant along with rythm 2. I kinda feel like rythm2, along with some power chords would do it, and it'd feel clean as far as rythm timing goes. Maybe it was just you needed to warm up and or adjust your headphones, and that is why the timing on rythm2 is so much better...

To me it jumped out at me the timing fighting in your master mix, and I'm seeing why now. Rythm1 seems to be the culprit to me.... More later...



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 21, 2009 8:32 AM

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rhythm1 and 2 were panned left and right ...



Posted by Yellow Dwarf to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 21, 2009 8:39 AM

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rhythm1 and 2 were panned left and right ...

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Yes, I follow... It gives it dimension, but there is a huge difference in the way they were played.... rythm1 seems to be the distraction. I'll work with it a bit.



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 21, 2009 8:45 AM

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Ok I believe I have it corrected, and I will use both, panned. You should see a big difference in how this moves. There were a few spots on 1 where it totally jumped sync. I think I adjusted it and it's cool now. I can see there are some differences in accents between them where you'll want both used. I will use them both and pan. I fell like I have this fixed in rythm 1. We'll see if you agree soon. More later...



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 21, 2009 9:09 AM

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Tim-

Where did the "chimes" come from? I like the effect, but it's a noisey track. There is some popping on it, like it was recorded outside, on a windy day, without a windscreen. It's the same kind of noise wind makes on a mic without a screen on it. The effect is cool, and I see why you have it in there. Too bad about the noise though. That adds to the overall noise of the mix...

Wonder if we can separate the FX from the popping....?



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 21, 2009 9:27 AM

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Keeper,

Regarding the chimes - oh yes it was windy, and I don't have a screen only an SM58. I had eq'd some of the noise out, and compressed it.

I'm not sure what to do!

Regarding rhythm2, it may have been recorded on another day, or on the second beer, which is a no no!



Posted by Yellow Dwarf to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 21, 2009 9:33 AM

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That's a shame about the chimes Tim, because it's a very cool FX. I'll see what I can come up with to eliminate the noise. Any way of duplicating it minus noise? Or maybe coming up with something similar. I like the FX, and see why you put it in. It suits.

It's rythm 1 that seemed to jump time in a few spots. If you listen to rythm 1 and the drums together it's obvious to me.

It's actually a mute point now though cuz i believe I fixed it. Just saying.

I gotta stop for now and go take care of family biz. More later...

I think we are in good shape on this. Just a bit of work, and communication. Mare later, I"M AFK for awhile...

-Fred



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 21, 2009 9:49 AM

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I'll see what I can do about a new chimes track ...



Posted by Yellow Dwarf to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 21, 2009 9:53 AM

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Once I got your seps I realized you are not going down to a G sharp like I was doing on my guitar, so I corrected my playing to omit the G sharp I was putting in on the last two times around on the end. You just go down to a G and not G sharp. The G sharp works in there, but I wanted to stick with your accents. So I corrected that. Some last minute tweaks too, and I haven't even begun to EQ things yet. I mostly have been listening for flow, and timing. Flows pretty good to me now. I made a mix i will be using to work up lead auditions. Once I get that I will begin EQing.

It still sounds a little muddy but I'll be addressing that when I do go into final EQ mode.

I noticed you left the FX on the vox. That's fine. I can work with that. This is just a mix in passing. I am now ready to work on leads... Flows pretty well to my ear now.

I have other FX that are similar to the chimes i can try out for you too. It's a reverse FX so we should be able to come very close to what you had in there and have it clean too.


What vocal mic are you using? Are you using a pop screen? How close are you to it when you sing?

I ask because I'm hearing some popping on the lead vocal. "p"s. amd "b"s. I believe some compression will help that. You should see it come to life when I actually start EQing. Getting there...


http://www.4shared.com/file/142768341/96970dbc/She_11_22_09.html<---Click this



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 22, 2009 11:38 AM

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Hey Keeper,

I use a 58 with no pop screen for the vocals. And I'm going to look into the chime in a few minutes.

I listened to your mix just now, sounds good except for the power chords. I don't know if it's because I know the song so well without or what, but they don't fit to me. You keep going though and we'll see what shakes out. Nice work.



Posted by Yellow Dwarf to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 22, 2009 1:17 PM

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Okay, cleaner chimes are being uploaded now.



Posted by Yellow Dwarf to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 22, 2009 1:37 PM

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Ok I'll take my guitar track out. It was an attempt to fatten up the chorus.The main source of distortion is the bass and to me it sounds quite thin from the guitar point of view, but it's your call. I'll remove it and do the best I can. No problem...



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 22, 2009 6:04 PM

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What I would suggest when singing is to make sure you are 3 to 5 inches from the mic. If it pops, you probably are too close to the mic. You shouldn't need a pop screen with a 58, so that's all i can think of that would make it pop. The "p"s and "b"s I mean.



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 22, 2009 6:08 PM

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I don't have a preamp on the 58, so I've always had to hold the mic closer than you should. I've used SPITFISH in the past to get rid of some of the sibilance and popping ...



Posted by Yellow Dwarf to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 23, 2009 1:52 AM

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I have several different takes for lead recorded. I actully started to edit this a little so it gives the vox room where needed. I need to do more editing I'm sure, but it occurred to me to stop here in case this doesn't fly with you and i am wasting my time with this. See what ya think. i have other angles recorded but this one I liked the best so I mixed it a little first.

http://www.4shared.com/file/143077399/f393f929/She_Lead_idea1.html<---Click this

Over and out CLICK.....


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Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 23, 2009 11:55 AM

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Wow, this definitely takes this into the rock groove and away from the original. Not to say it's a bad thing, it's just different.

I knew there had to be a solo in there but I'm not a fast enough player to do it. But I never imagined a shredded lead! The tone is perfect, the only thing I didn't like was it coming in in the verse part of the intro, I did however like it in the chorus part of the intro.

When the song starts, I'd tone down some of the leads and let it fly more during the chorus. But, wow, great idea!



Posted by Yellow Dwarf to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 23, 2009 1:21 PM

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If the original wasn't rock, what would you call it? I was calling it Alt. Rock, or just Rock.

I probably should just let you do your own leads (if you planned to put leads in).

I think I'm gonna leave this one alone a bit and go to something else then and perhaps come back to it later. I have a lot of other things waiting. It was just an idea...

If you get the song finished (leads etc.) I'll go into mix/master mode. Not much sense in doing it before then. So I'll watch what you do with it...



Posted by Keeper to F-Jam Online Music Collaboration Studios at October 23, 2009 3:06 PM