[f-AA] Stolen fuel cap

[j...@joea.com]

One of the guys on the NAA bulletin board had his gas cap stolen from his
Champ recently. Then the jerks left the tank open after stealing most of the
fuel as well! No, it was not the "13 gallon" embossed cap but still...

He then came to the plane only to find the cap missing and 1/3 of a tank of
water inside after heavy rains recently. Needless to say he is greatly
perturbed and had to empty the tank and lost any fuel that the thief's did not
get.

He needs a fuel cap to fly the plane to get it off of floats this weekend, so
does not have the time to order one from Wag or Univair right now.

Believe that the National Aircraft Parts (NAPA) store might have one that
would fit. Should he get one that is vented or not vented? Was thinking
vented but thought I would ask the group...

Thx,

Joe
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[Rob Murphy]

Vented!!!!

[Spence, Mike]

I have a number of extras now (2 unvented and 2 with dynamic pressure tubes out the top)- Just recieved 2 new vented ones from ACA.

Mike S.

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Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:20 PM
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Subject: [f-AA] Stolen fuel cap

[Markl]

Dear Joe

From my "Aeronca Resources list" 

Fuel Tank Cap – NAPA Balkamp # 703-1220 found to work OK by persons unknown.

Fuel Tank Caps    vented cap at Wag-Aero  Cat no E-482-000 cost $8-10  800-558-6868   (Mike Knemeyer) Cessna-150 gas cap gasket fit just fine. Part # B100142-1

 

Fly frequently, many times, often, over and over again, LOOK around,
practice strange stuff, and hand prop safely!
Regards,
Tony Markl

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From: j...@joea.com

To: aer...@westmont.edu

Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:19 PM

Subject: [f-AA] Stolen fuel cap

[j...@joea.com]

Thanks to all and Tony!

Have passed this along to the person who lost the fuel cap.

Someday I will get the time to continue working on putting what I have from
Tony on his resource list all together for everyone!

Joe

On 16 Oct 2008 at 15:49, Markl wrote:

>
> Dear Joe
> From my "Aeronca Resources list"

> Fuel Tank Cap -NAPA Balkamp # 703-1220 found to work OK by persons unknown.

[Joe Preston]

Joe,
It depends on his tank setup. If he has no venting around the neck then he
should get a vented one and vice versa. If he gets this wrong, he could have
a problem not long after take off.
JoeP

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Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:20
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Subject: [f-AA] Stolen fuel cap

[Markl]

Dear Joe

"someday" will not get here in your lifetime as you are already a busy person.   How about polling this list or the NAA list for someone who is overly retired or handicapped, or would just enjoy getting a mission that would bring him/her a lot of thanks???

 

I have two more years of collected wisdom that I have not sent to you as I was waiting to find out what happened to the first two years.  Don't take this as criticism but more as a "reality" checkride.

 

all this stuff we have just had on "ground planes" and "shielding" will be invaluable to someone and to those who come behind!  I have been collecting it but someone who understands electricity better than I do will have to edit it.

 

How say you??

[Plain Carl]

Think the one needed is a pre1955 Mopar.  A universal may work but check the venting

 

PC

[Stephen Briggs]

If you get an vented auto cap, make sure it does not have the vapor control technology (a plastic valve and spring) in the cap.   If it does take the cap apart and remove the stuff.  You want a good clear vent and the plastic valve has the potential to bind and stop the fuel flow during flight.

[E. O. Lake]

Joe,
Why after take-off, and not on the ground during, say, run-up, taxi,
take-off roll, etc.?
Thanx!

Ed

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Sent: October 16, 2008 4:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [f-AA] Stolen fuel cap

[Markl]

Dear Ed

The problem will occur when high fuel flow is wanted.

 

Fly frequently, many times, often, over and over again, LOOK around,
practice strange stuff, and hand prop safely!
Regards,
Tony Markl

[Joe Preston]

Hi Ed,
There are lots of variables like size of the tank and how much fuel is in it
and how long one taxis on the ground and engine RPM, etc. As Murphy controls
our fate, the fuel locks up right about the time one gets to a couple
hundred feet or so. Hopefully the problem would occur before takoff, but one
never knows so best to avoid at at all costs by getting the right cap.

[Ian Harvie]

There is also the problem with venting caps in a system that drains a
wing tank into a front tank, that the loss of pressure above the wing in
flight stops the tank from draining. It would then need a pipe in the
cap bent to face forward to give a bit of pressure. If the system has
this sort of vent into the tank from under the wing, then a venting cap
would allow fuel to be forced out the cap in flight if the tank was very
full.

Ian, who will find out if his venting caps will allow fuel to drain into
the front tank, on the test flight!

[E. O. Lake]

Many thanks to both Joes!

Now, isn't there some crude surgery you could perform on an unvented cap to
make it vent? (A vague notion about this persists in my memory.)

[E. O. Lake]

Ian,
My thanks to you as well! I hurried my follow-up before I read your helpful
hint.

[Ian Harvie]

Yes Ed drill a hole in the cap and solder in a copper tube with the top
inch bent forward into the air flow. Make sure its pointing forward with
the cap in the closed position.

Ian

[Spence, Mike]

No need to do that Ed - I have two caps already made up like this, that came on my 7EC. You can have them for the postage if you want them. I replaced them with regular vented caps from ACA, because when the tanks were full, the positive pressure forced fuel out the vent, until the system was down a couple of gallons.

Mike S.

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[Dale P. Jewett]

Ed,

See the attached photo for the "surgically modified" Stant fuel cap that I
made for my Stinson.

This was an off the shelf automotive cap that fit the filler neck. I removed
all of the internal vent/antisiphon parts, and welded in a forward facing
"pitot" type tube. All of my fuel starvation problems were solved. The cap
that came with my project was automotive, but not a good cap. Univair
doesn't support the "Baby Stinsons". The tank had NO internal venting, so a
vented cap was necessary. So there were a lot of "make do" things that my
A&P-IA had to do during the restoration. On one of my first flights with the
original cap, I had a partial power loss necessitating a quick decision on
where to safely land. After that, the fuel cap was determined to be the
problem.

Dale Jewett

[E. O. Lake]

This is for the Chieftains on the list.

On the cabin floor there is a raised, hill shaped aluminum accessory between
the two sets of rudder pedals that covers some control linkages. Don't know
the name of the item.

I have been using a homemade (heavier and larger) replacement for the
original for some time but would like to get a truer and smaller and
lighter version of this cover.

Is there a pattern I could beg, borrow or steal -- condition unimportant?

Many thanks!

Ed

[Rafael]

Drawing 3-104, I have a bad copy that I can if Todd doesnt have one better, let me know Rafael

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, E. O. Lake <eol...@rogers.com> wrote:

From: E. O. Lake <eol...@rogers.com>

[Mark PETERSON]

> From: eol...@rogers.com
> To: aer...@westmont.edu
> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:55:27 -0500
> Subject: [f-AA] Chief Floor Accessory
>

> This is for the Chieftains on the list.
>
> On the cabin floor there is a raised, hill shaped aluminum accessory between
> the two sets of rudder pedals that covers some control linkages. Don't know
> the name of the item.

It's part #7-603 Guard- Control Cables

From Todd's aeronca.com collection, here it is.

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[Cy Galley]

Pre-war or Post War?

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To: <aer...@westmont.edu>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:55 PM
Subject: [f-AA] Chief Floor Accessory

[E. O. Lake]

Post War! 1946 11AC converted to 11BC to be precise.
SN 591 to be even more precise.
Ed

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Sent: November 3, 2008 12:26 AM
To: aer...@westmont.edu

[j...@joea.com]

Ed,

Let me look in my stuff, might have an extra one. Otherwise the factory
drawings should be a big help in making a new one of these.

Joe A

[Cy Galley]

Then Mark Peterson's attachment of 7-603 Jibes with the Aeronca Master Parts
Price List. Cost $1.75 back in 1947
It is very similar to the pre-war that Rafael's part but a little simpler.
Rafael's suggestion shows the flat layout.

Cy Galley
Editor - Aeronca Aviator
Supporting Aeroncas everyday
www.aeronca.org

[E. O. Lake]

That's good to know, Cy.
Thanks for the offer, Rafael. Have you seen Cy's heads-up about the
different models?
Mark, I very much appreciate the drawing, have printed it out and with a
mini-headache or two should be able to fashion a good replica.
Joe, that would be great if you could find one to send me, no matter how
battered and ugly.

One question -- was there a gauge and grade specified for that aluminum
cover?

Thanks to all you guys.

[Richard Starr]

How is this thing supposed to be fastened down? Ours kept coming loose and
threatening to jam some controls, so I fly without it.

Rich

--- You wrote:
> On the cabin floor there is a raised, hill shaped aluminum accessory
> between
> the two sets of rudder pedals that covers some control linkages. Don't
> know
> the name of the item.
>
> I have been using a homemade (heavier and larger) replacement for the
> original for some time but would like to get a truer and smaller and
> lighter version of this cover.
>
> Is there a pattern I could beg, borrow or steal -- condition unimportant?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Ed

--- end of quote ---

[Rafael]

Well I have both, a pre and post war.  My pre war is no good, the post war is in good shape

[Rafael]

4 or 6 screws to the florr boards --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Richard Starr <Richar...@valley.net> wrote:

From: Richard Starr <Richar...@valley.net> Subject: Re: [f-AA] Chief Floor Accessory To: aer...@westmont.edu

[Mark PETERSON]

Thank Todd for that!  It's a wonderful resource at aeronca.com

The only problem I had with the whole idea was that stamped bit on the sides. 
If I were to do to that, you do that first and then bend it.   Maybe you could get
some hard maple and a router and do that as a female mold and use a
hammer and a dowel to stamp it in.   Do four or five of them and sell them
and you'll get a reward for your time. 

The gauge is on the text block on the upper right corner, where it specs out
the material and size.  

I have wondered if making it longer so it couldn't catch the rudder pedals might work.
Apparently our feet are wider than in 1945!

Mark

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> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:14:50 -0500

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[Cy Galley]

It is listed in the Title/materials block as .025 3S 1/2H 16 1/8" x 16 1/2"

[Cy Galley]

Drawings shows two flanges with .1405 holes for 6 I presume wood screws.

Cy Galley
Editor - Aeronca Aviator
Supporting Aeroncas everyday
www.aeronca.org

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