[f-AA] Mike Busch webinar on aircraft oils

[Brian Matz ~ Aerial Aspect Photo]

Watched this last night...it's interesting...

https://youtu.be/8ApVR4xpxIU

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[Ginny Wilken]

I'm a BIG fan of his, and have been for years...Smart guy, and not afraid to tell truth.

ginny

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On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Brian Matz ~ Aerial Aspect Photo wrote:
> Watched this last night...it's interesting...

[Richard Murray]

I too enjoy Mike and his views Ginny. I took the time to watch the whole video. Thanks for sharing Brian. This wasn't on my watch list but it is well worth the time to view it.

[Brian Matz ~ Aerial Aspect Photo]

Anyone else using CamGuard in their oil? I usually use Aeroshell W80
Plus in my Chief in the winter thinking it will help prevent corrosion
since I don't fly it as much but after listening to Mike, I may start
using CamGaurd and running W80. How about an engine dehydrator? Looks
pretty simple to build...anyone use one of those?

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[Scott Johnson]

Looking forward to watching/listening to this. If you listen to podcasts, there is a new one from AOPA called ask the A&P’s that Mike Bush is part of. Only four episodes so far but really good stuff. 

Scott, who is going to start using camgaurd. 

[duan...@gmail.com]

Brian,

I have a commercial hair dryer, with the globe removed. It sits in front of the chief and points directly into the center nose bowl hole. I leave it on when it's raining. It's not too warm, but it keeps the temp on the engine above the dew point, so I don't get as much moisture in my engine.

Duane
’46 Chief, N85981

[James Wells]

I've been reading his stuff for several years now and just watched the video too.

I've used camguard for several years now (since I've been reading Mike's stuff) with Phillips xc 20w50.

You can also use camguard as a long term preservative (winter) by just adding more during your oil change, I think you go from 5% to 7-8%.

We also have unleaded UL94 at our airport and I have used it since we got it, the only time I use 100LL is when I'm not around home.

James

In OH and plan on flying later today (in the 50s here today).

[Rale...@comcast.net]

I use Phillips 66 20W-50 mixed with 10% Phillips anti-rust oil (https://phillips66lubricants.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Aviation_Anti-Rust_Oil.pdf) per the manufacturer's instructions. I have a home-made dehydrator hooked up that I run continuously. It uses an aquarium air pump and desiccant chamber to recirculate dry air through the crankcase. Air from the dehydrator outlet goes in the oil filler spout, comes out the crankcase breather, and back into the dehydrator. I change the desiccant when it starts to change color, generally about every month or so. Desiccant is "Dry & Dry Indicating Silica Gel Desiccant Beads" from Amazon. Checks with an inexpensive hygrometer shows relative humidity in the crankcase below 10% with fresh desiccant. I don’t know whether this is effective or not at preventing corrosion. CamGuard gets good reviews from Mike Busch but I'm not using it right now. It is not recommended for engines with a recent overhaul.

[Ginny Wilken]

Yep! Aeroshell 100W+ and Camguard in my big O360. I wasn't able to fly much last year, and trusted a heated hangar and Camguard to keep it healthy. So far, good compressions and power. I've skipped a couple of oil analyses, but will do the next, at a year's interval and only 25 or so on the oil.

Not how I used to be, but the best I can do right now. I always ran Camguard in the Champ, too, with 80W. I miss that plane...

ginny

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[Mark Zimmermann]

I like to read everything Ed Kollin (Camguard) writes.

> On Dec 10, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Ginny Wilken <gwi...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
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> Yep! Aeroshell 100W+ and Camguard in my big O360. I wasn't able to fly much last year, and trusted a heated hangar and Camguard to keep it healthy. So far, good compressions and power. I've skipped a couple of oil analyses, but will do the next, at a year's interval and only 25 or so on the oil.

[John Rodkey]

I am thinking about making a DIY air drying device with aquarium pump and silica gel.  Has anyone done that?

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[Jim Chuk]

Couple of years ago, I bought a Christavia project with an overhauled C90  engine.  It had a system mounted on the engine like you describe.  There was no corrosion in the engine after quite a few years of sitting.  I took it off and filled the engine with oil so I didn't have to keep it plugged in.  The engine wasn't mounted though so the oil fill was more of an option then if it was still on the plane.  At any rate, I think the pump and silica gel beads would work.  JImChuk

[Rob Murphy]

Jim.. would you have a picture of the mechanism. Would you know where to purchase the gell or crystal's.

Thank you 

[Brian Matz]

Just Google DIY Engine dehydrator.  Pretty simple to build.  Silica fell crystals available on Amazon.  

Brian Matz

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[Richard Murray]

....and don't throw the silica gel crystals away when you change them. Put them on a baking sheet at 350 for a couple of hours and the color changes back after they have dried out.

[Dan Vandermeer]

I had a long chat with the Shell folks at SnF. They claim that the additives in 100W are essentially the same as those in CamGuard. I use AeroShell 100W year round here in Florida. The temp/humidity is essentially the same year round. And I’m on an airport that is surrounded by salt water.
I try to run 93 octane ethanol free mo-has as often as possible. I was advised to add a bit of TCP. It that’s just too much for my my lazy self.
Dan v

[Richard Murray]

I too didn't want to mess with more than adding oil as needed Dan. Then I was forced to use TCP to keep the lead down in a Franklin. The plugs look like you just cleaned them after 25 hours. Started using it in an O-200 and A-65 with the same results. 100LL is our only choice unless we go to mogas, and the plugs using mogas in the A-65 are so black after 10 hours it makes you wonder what else is getting dirty.

[Jim Chuk]

Rob,  It was just a small airpump that pushed air through the gallon jug of silica beads, and into the engine.  Another line came from the engine back to the gallon jug.  Hope I can get this picture to post... JImChuk

[Don Harvie]

Interesting Richard,

So the TCP keeps the plugs clean in a small Continental running mogas too?

We'll definitely run TCP or Decalin in the Franklin when we use 100LL, but if it helps keeping things cleaner with Mogas in the engines then I think it may be worth a try.

I may even try it in the Auster as the plugs are pretty much always sooty black and oily - I put that down to it being an upside down engine with the plugs at the bottom copping everything.

I occasionally get fouled plugs in the Auster which usually clears after a full throttle run up for a min. or two. I put that down to oil though and I doubt TCP will prevent that, but if the plug is cleaner to begin with it may help clear it quicker.

Thanks,

Don H

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On Sat, 12 Dec 2020, 10:09 am Richard Murray, <murra...@gmail.com> wrote:

I too didn't want to mess with more than adding oil as needed Dan. Then I was forced to use TCP to keep the lead down in a Franklin. The plugs look like you just cleaned them after 25 hours. Started using it in an O-200 and A-65 with the same results. 100LL is our only choice unless we go to mogas, and the plugs using mogas in the A-65 are so black after 10 hours it makes you wonder what else is getting dirty.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 6:02 PM Dan Vandermeer <danv...@gmail.com> wrote:

I had a long chat with the Shell folks at SnF. They claim that the additives in 100W are essentially the same as those in CamGuard. I use AeroShell 100W year round here in Florida. The temp/humidity is essentially the same year round.  And I’m on an airport that is surrounded by salt water.
I try to run 93 octane ethanol free mo-has as often as possible. I was advised to add a bit of TCP.   It that’s just too much for my my lazy self.
Dan v


> On Dec 10, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Ginny Wilken <gwi...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
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> Yep! Aeroshell 100W+ and Camguard in my big O360. I wasn't able to fly much last year, and trusted a heated hangar and  Camguard to keep it healthy. So far, good compressions and power. I've skipped a couple of oil analyses, but will do the next, at a year's interval and only 25 or so on the oil.
>
> Not how I used to be, but the best I can do right now. I always ran Camguard in the Champ, too, with 80W. I miss that plane...
>
> ginny

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[Brian Matz ~ Aerial Aspect Photo]

I think it was in another Mike Busch webinar that I heard him explain
that TCP does not prevent the buildup of lead, but it causes the lead
deposits that do form to be non-conductive so they do not foul the
plugs.

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[Richard Murray]

Don-

CORRECTION sorry if I mis-represented TCP (Alcor). It scavenges lead from 100LL. I have no idea what if any benefit it would have with mogas. If I had a source for 80 octane or 94UL I would save the expense of TCP.  Not a big fan of mogas. I use it if needed, but try to stay with aviation fuel in the aircraft.

[Don Harvie]

Ahh I understand. Thank you Richard.

I always understood that TCP scavenged lead in our low compression engines and of course the Franklin will require it when run with 100LL. Using it with Mogas was a new one to me so I had to check.

We can get ethanol free unleaded fairly easily downunder, and I have a couple of trusted gas stations that I use, so when flying locally that’s what is used. Travelling of course is a different matter, when typically all you can get at airfields is avgas.

When the Auster engine manual calls for “Quality aviation spirit of 70 octane or greater”, I figure it gives me a fair amount of latitude. ;-)

Don H

On 12 Dec 2020, at 3:43 pm, Richard Murray <murra...@gmail.com> wrote:



[JAMES PARADIS]

I’m wondering if some type of filtration device to eliminate any dust off the silica is needed.  

Jim

(who, the first time, passed a soccer mom driving her mpv on the road I was following yesterday 😄)

[Richard Murray]

Isn't it a great feeling when a Champ passes anything....;)))

[cgmi...@unwiredbb.com]

I learned yesterday of the passing of Pete Plumb. I was told that he had a
heart attack while going for a walk. Pete did a lot of real nice aircraft
wood work under the name Woodwing Specialties at the Shafter CA airport.
He was also developing the Pegasus O-100 engine and Cracker Jack LSA
airplane.
I bought a set of 7AC spars from Pete two summers ago, seems a shame to
cover them with fabric. Glenn Miller

[Ginny Wilken]

Thanks, Glenn....seems as if that was a good way to go. He will be missed. He'd want you to use those spars:)

ginny

[Mark Peterson]

That's tragic.  I always thought the Crackerjack was a great looking LSA, before there was LSA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR__wSuA7fE

My First Cracker Jack Flight - POV - YouTube First flight in the Cracker Jack Sport Plane. My father designed this airplane in the late 70's and its been a life long dream of mine to fly one. Thankfully... www.youtube.com

MM

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Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 5:43 PM
To: 'A A' via aeronca <aer...@westmont.edu>
Subject: Re: [f-AA] Pete Plumb

 

['Botijo G' via aeronca]

I got new gear spring from him and a tool to compress them from him. Extremely nice guy, sad to hear.

[Thomas Holmes]

Thanks for letting us know Glenn.  I too used a set of Pete's spars.

Do you have any contact info that we could use to send a card too?

Tom Holmes

[Richard Murray]

Rest in Peace Pete.....

Thanks Glen for passing this along.

[Scott Johnson]

So sorry to hear of his passing. Tremendous asset to aviation lost. 

Scott

[cgmi...@unwiredbb.com]

> Thanks for letting us know Glenn. I too used a set of Pete's spars.
> Do you have any contact info that we could use to send a card too?
> Tom Holmes

Pete was the only one I knew at Shafter. Glenn

[John Rodkey]

I am sorry to hear this. Pete was an incredibly skilled wood craftsman and positive, gentle soul. The stringers and bulkheads of my Chief are his handiwork. May he Rest In Peace and may all who knew and loved him be comforted in their loss. 

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