[f-AA] Tony

[j...@joea.com]

Anyone heard from Tony today?

Boeing B747 cargo crashes on takeoff from Bagram Air Force base. So far not much information on
the situation but I hear that no one made it out alive.

Joe a
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[Tom Pederson]

National Air Cargo confirmed a B-747-400 crash but nothing on the crew.

[j...@joea.com]

I am hearing that it was operated by another crew, possibly Air Atlanta Iceland but nothing is confirmed yet...

Sounds like a load shifted, and the bird stalled on takeoff.

Sure hoping that Tony was not on the plane.

Joe A

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[Mark Peterson]

A 747-400 cargo jet crashed this afternoon shortly after taking off from Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan, killing 7, the AP reported.

The jet was operated by National Air Cargo, a shipping airline based in Orlando, according to Aviation Safety Network.
The Aviation Herald reported that the Boeing 747 may have stalled at 1,200 feet due to a shifting load.
According to the AP, the Taliban claimed responsibility for the crash, but the US-led military coalition denied that the group was involved.
Twitter user Albert Ramirez tweeted a photo of the black smoke coming from the wreckage, and described the crash:
Eye witnesses said, on climb out, the aircraft pitched nose up and rolled right into a nose dive. The cross winds were around 35 knots.
— ALBERT, RAMIREZ (@RAM4REZ) April 29, 2013 Here's the photo:
National air cargo just lost a 747 cargo aircraft out here in bagram Afghanistan......no survivors. twitter.com/RAM4REZ/status…
— ALBERT, RAMIREZ (@RAM4REZ) April 29, 2013 The aircraft was owned by Wells Fargo Bank, according to the Federal Aviation Administration.

A 747-400 cargo jet crashed this afternoon shortly after taking off from Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan, killing 7, the AP reported.

The jet was operated by National Air Cargo, a shipping airline based in Orlando, according to Aviation Safety Network.
The Aviation Herald reported that the Boeing 747 may have stalled at 1,200 feet due to a shifting load.
According to the AP, the Taliban claimed responsibility for the crash, but the US-led military coalition denied that the group was involved.
Twitter user Albert Ramirez tweeted a photo of the black smoke coming from the wreckage, and described the crash:
Eye witnesses said, on climb out, the aircraft pitched nose up and rolled right into a nose dive. The cross winds were around 35 knots.
— ALBERT, RAMIREZ (@RAM4REZ) April 29, 2013 Here's the photo:
National air cargo just lost a 747 cargo aircraft out here in bagram Afghanistan......no survivors. twitter.com/RAM4REZ/status…
— ALBERT, RAMIREZ (@RAM4REZ) April 29, 2013 The aircraft was owned by Wells Fargo Bank, according to the Federal Aviation Administration.

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From: j...@joea.com
To: aer...@westmont.edu
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:45:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [f-AA] Tony

[Tony Buttacav]

Gents I appreciate the concern , God bless , it was the competition and it wasn't enemy action, rest and peace for the crew and their families.

[Robert McDonald]

Tony,

Thanks for chiming in so quickly, we were worried. It is still sad to
lose eight aviators whether we know them or not. R.I.P.

Rob

[Tony Buttacav]

It is a tragedy, they think the load shifted, my heart goes out to them.

[Tony Buttacav]

Amen, we are all brothers and sisters in this life we have chosen.

[Tom Holmes]

In my much younger days, we were riding in a C54 with all our tool boxes, ladders, canopy covers etc. tied down in the middle of the floor with jump seats down the walls.  They came loose in turbulence and slide to the back but the crew caught it before the airplane quit flying.  Nose down, all the tool boxes came sliding back and crushed the crew's bunks.  Pretty interesting day.

Tom

[Mark Peterson]

Very glad to hear it wasn't you pushing the CG envelope.... another sad day for families and another reminder to us all about safety.

I check my ailerons, correct and free, because my co-worker lost a son who picked up his plane after an annual and his ailerons were reversed.
I don't buzz because a friend disappeared into a lake doing that.
I shake my wingtips to check the spars everytime because a friend had a homebuilt wing come off, due to rot.
I make sure anything I do with the plane is completely airworthy after a friend died trying to make a field with a dead engine he
was fiddling with before takeoff.
I keep situational awareness because an airshow pilot I knew ran into a hillside taking photos of his home.
I don't takeoff into scuddy weather because I lost a friend who died on a Cascade mountain side due to burns after he rescued the passenger and pilot from a burning C180.
I don't do stupid things after another friend died racking a Piper Lance into a tight circle looking at cattle.
I check for free and correct elevator after a gentleman took off and died in an RV, perhaps with a seatbelt around the stick.

We all have our personal checklists and now cargo pilots have another one to remember.  As do we all.


Mark

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[Travis Gregory]

Thank God.

 

travis

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[j...@joea.com]

Mark,

This is looking more and more like their load came loose, and not someone "pushing the CG envelope" in flight.

They had five vehicles on the airplane and once one comes loose and moves aft, there isnt much that you can do about it...

Joe A

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[John Rodkey]

Yes, there are sad events like this from time to time, but the saying is that the FAA rulebook is written in the blood of aviators.  I think that there is a measure of truth to that, although in regaining my medical (Thursday: prayers for this would not be remiss) makes me a bit skeptical about some of the requirements.  

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:30 PM, <j...@joea.com> wrote:

Mark,

This is looking more and more like their load came loose, and not someone "pushing the CG envelope" in flight.

They had five vehicles on the airplane and once one comes loose and moves aft, there isnt much that you can do about it...

Joe A

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John (poobah) Rodkey - N9361E 11AC at Goleta

[Mark Peterson]

I was a bit too poetic.... Should have said what I was thinking:  inadvertent
Pushing the cg.  Accidental pushing the cg.   That sort of tragic accident

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[Scott Johnson]

Glad to hear you are ok Tony, bad day for the Willow Run community. One of the guys in our local shop had a son on the airplane. 

Scott

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[Tony Buttacavoli]

thank you brother,my heart sank when i heard the news, that part of the world is our bailiwick, our Detroit freight dog community is global,tell your friend I am praying for his son,and all of our brothers . --- On Mon, 4/29/13, Scott Johnson <sko...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Scott Johnson]

Wilco Tony, we have got to make some time to get your family up in the Sedan.  Hope our schedules match up soon.

Scott

[Tony Buttacav]

Thank you, and amen !!!