[f-AA] Goodyear brake clips

[Ian Harvie]

.Any one know of a source for the brake clips for the Goodyear brakes.
I've just used my last spare. I have the "U" shaped clips although I
could use the ones with the square hole in them but don't know how to
fit them or get them out again if you have to. I have 13 of these brand new!
The manual says 95-3348. ACS list them as 9520435 at $79.85!!! Don't
know if these are square hole or "U" shaped.
Any more info on this would be appreciated.

Ian
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[Mark PETERSON]

9520435 is the square holed ones.  Don from Guam... get busy!

Mark

> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 09:22:54 +1100
> From: ianh...@internode.on.net
> To: aer...@westmont.edu
> Subject: [f-AA] Goodyear brake clips

[Ian Harvie]

Thanks Mark, you mean I've got $1025.05 worth of square holers I don't
want ! Any takers?
I try Don.

Ian

[Travis Gregory]

Ian,

 

I use the square holers but can't afford $80.00 a piece. Especially after the engine overhaul. I'm in some pretty deep do-do right now over that. Charles Finch makes beautiful metal things.

 

travis

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From: Ian Harvie <ianh...@internode.on.net>
To: aer...@westmont.edu
Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 4:39:54 PM
Subject: Re: [f-AA] Goodyear brake clips

[Ian Harvie]

Travis, you and I both, just paid out $16850 for a Don's engine
outright. How do you get the square holes in and out? I can use the ones
I've got then as my wheels will take either. I imagine you have to slide
a knife blade in there to get them out?
Yes I've got a spinner on order from Charles. Never thought to ask him
about springs.

Ian

On 8/02/2011 9:55 AM, Travis Gregory wrote:
> Ian,
> I use the square holers but can't afford $80.00 a piece. Especially
> after the engine overhaul. I'm in some pretty deep do-do right now
> over that. Charles Finch makes beautiful metal things.
> travis
>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Ian Harvie <ianh...@internode.on.net>
> *To:* aer...@westmont.edu
> *Sent:* Mon, February 7, 2011 4:39:54 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [f-AA] Goodyear brake clips

>
> Thanks Mark, you mean I've got $1025.05 worth of square holers I don't
> want ! Any takers?
> I try Don.
>
> Ian
>
> On 8/02/2011 9:30 AM, Mark PETERSON wrote:
> > 9520435 is the square holed ones. Don from Guam... get busy!
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 09:22:54 +1100

> > > From: ianh...@internode.on.net <mailto:ianh...@internode.on.net>
> > > To: aer...@westmont.edu <mailto:aer...@westmont.edu>

> > > Subject: [f-AA] Goodyear brake clips
> > >
> > > .Any one know of a source for the brake clips for the Goodyear brakes.
> > > I've just used my last spare. I have the "U" shaped clips although I
> > > could use the ones with the square hole in them but don't know how to
> > > fit them or get them out again if you have to. I have 13 of these
> > brand new!
> > > The manual says 95-3348. ACS list them as 9520435 at $79.85!!! Don't
> > > know if these are square hole or "U" shaped.
> > > Any more info on this would be appreciated.
> > >
> > > Ian
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[Travis Gregory]

I use one of those long sharp pick tools. You have to hold your tongue just right. A screwdriver wedge between the floating disk and the hub helps. Not too close to where you are working, not too far away. Inserting them is surprisingly easy and .025 safety wire is very effective in keeping them there. We have discovered that if you arch the clips just a bit more they stay a lot better.

 

travis

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From: Ian Harvie <ianh...@internode.on.net>
To: aer...@westmont.edu

Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 5:25:27 PM
Subject: Re: [f-AA] Goodyear brake clips

[Ian Harvie]

OK Travis, now leading question. As I have many of the square hole
clips, I wonder which is best? You mention safety wire to hold them in.
OK I thought they couldn't possible come out once in. You say safety
wire? Fastened how? (Sorry so many questions)
With the U shaped ones I have a band around the wheels to stop the
buttons coming out and this has proved good for the last two years.
Decisions, decisions.

Ian

On 8/02/2011 10:51 AM, Travis Gregory wrote:
> I use one of those long sharp pick tools. You have to hold your tongue
> just right. A screwdriver wedge between the floating disk and the hub
> helps. Not too close to where you are working, not too far away.
> Inserting them is surprisingly easy and .025 safety wire is very
> effective in keeping them there. We have discovered that if you arch
> the clips just a bit more they stay a lot better.
> travis
>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> **

[Tony Markl]

Dear Ian
See if your wheel has 3/8" square "tits" projections located half way between each of the U clips.   If so , you can use the "square" ones.  It will be easier to understand if you take the wheel off but they are pushed on and pop over the projection. To get them off will be harder, perhaps a feeler gage would lift them.

Somebody with these clips-- how do YOU do it?   I also believe that Tom Roush of this list has an article written on doing all this?

Strongly advise not taxiing with missing clips   BTDT

Regards,
Tony Markl
www.tailwheel-and-fabric-spoken-here.com
"Fabric work done or taught at your location"

[Tony Markl]

Sqare ones work.

Regards,
Tony Markl
www.tailwheel-and-fabric-spoken-here.com
"Fabric work done or taught at your location"

[Tony Markl]

There was talk on this list the last time brake clips were wanted and someone sounded like they would just make up a bunch.   Who were you:?

Regards,
Tony Markl
www.tailwheel-and-fabric-spoken-here.com
"Fabric work done or taught at your location"

[Mark PETERSON]

Square ones are silicone glued which stops the rattle and holds them just fine. 
A dab behind the area where the clip lifts off the rim to meet the disk,
a little more around the disk edge and clip interface, but not on the disk face itself.
Cut with Xacto knife to remove wheel for maintenance, clean off and reapply for installation.

A small RC model sized screwdriver helps to lift the lower edge out of the disk.

You work on the side opposite the brake puck.  Don't need to take the wheel
off the plane. 

Be gentle with them and make absolutely sure they engage the little nib on the
wheel.  Otherwise they can look like they are in, but aren't.

Keep four of them in a baby food jar in the plane.   That will keep you from
being stranded somewhere if they let go.

Keep begging someone to press out a thousand or so of them at a good price.
The $4.35 I paid for one back in 1990 was still highway robbery.   Let alone
the price now!

Any more FAQ's.....?







> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 11:14:34 +1100
> From: ianh...@internode.on.net
> To: aer...@westmont.edu

> Subject: Re: [f-AA] Goodyear brake clips
>

[colie pitts]

Ian, the 9520435 clips are the original square hole ones that slip over the wheel boss. the ones that you are using now are 9523482 that use the dot fastener. ACS has them but the last time I checked with them they wanted over $120.00 ea. Rainbow Aviation (rainbow Ron) has them on ebay for about $30.00 ea. The alternate # is 9523937 and I see ACS now wants $27.75 for them now. the 937 clip is is identical to the 482 clip, just the # was used on the early cessna 310 with goodyear wheels.   Preffered Airparts has all the clips , and the #9523937 clip was about $17.00 ea.

--
colie pitts

[Travis Gregory]

Ian,

 

I have assisted in this operation but feel I must direct the question to my authorized inspector/mechanic as I don't wish to speak out of school and give wrong information. I will send your question to him and then forward the much better answer to you.

 

travis

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From: Ian Harvie <ianh...@internode.on.net>
To: aer...@westmont.edu

Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 6:14:34 PM

Subject: Re: [f-AA] Goodyear brake clips

[colie pitts]

make that Preferred Airparts on the clips 

--
colie pitts

[Travis Gregory]

Tony,

 

I sent Charles Finch some clip examples and he was investigating their manufacture. He is quite a busy fellow right now hand forming engine nacelles for the HondaJet. He is very interested but busy.

 

travis

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From: Tony Markl <ma...@intercom.net>
To: aer...@westmont.edu
Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 6:18:41 PM

[Bob McGrath]

Is everybody here familiar with Advisory Circular No. 23-27? while taking advantage of its provisions may not be necessary in this case as of now but as our pets get older there could be some value in knowing about it. If everybody already does, I apologize.

Bob

From: colie pitts

Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 6:05 PM

To: aer...@westmont.edu

Subject: Re: [f-AA] Goodyear brake clips

[Ian Harvie]

Bob, is it on the FAA website? Don't know it and they don't always
follow the FAA here (in Australia)

Ian

On 8/02/2011 12:30 PM, Bob McGrath wrote:
> Is everybody here familiar with Advisory Circular No. 23-27? while
> taking advantage of its provisions may not be necessary in this case
> as of now but as our pets get older there could be some value in
> knowing about it. If everybody already does, I apologize.
> Bob
>

> *From:* colie pitts <mailto:coliem...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 07, 2011 6:05 PM
> *To:* aer...@westmont.edu <mailto:aer...@westmont.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [f-AA] Goodyear brake clips

>
> Ian, the 9520435 clips are the original square hole ones that slip
> over the wheel boss. the ones that you are using now are 9523482 that
> use the dot fastener. ACS has them but the last time I checked with
> them they wanted over $120.00 ea. Rainbow Aviation (rainbow Ron) has
> them on ebay for about $30.00 ea. The alternate # is 9523937 and I see
> ACS now wants $27.75 for them now. the 937 clip is is identical to the
> 482 clip, just the # was used on the early cessna 310 with goodyear
> wheels. Preffered Airparts has all the clips , and the #9523937 clip
> was about $17.00 ea.
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Ian Harvie <ianh...@internode.on.net
> <mailto:ianh...@internode.on.net>> wrote:
>
> .Any one know of a source for the brake clips for the Goodyear brakes.
> I've just used my last spare. I have the "U" shaped clips although I
> could use the ones with the square hole in them but don't know how to
> fit them or get them out again if you have to. I have 13 of these
> brand new!
> The manual says 95-3348. ACS list them as 9520435 at $79.85!!! Don't
> know if these are square hole or "U" shaped.
> Any more info on this would be appreciated.
>
> Ian
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> Aer...@westmont.edu <mailto:Aer...@westmont.edu>

> http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/listinfo/aeronca
>
>
>
>
> --
> colie pitts
>
>

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[Ian Harvie]

Tony and all who have replied to the clips question, yes my wheels have
the "tits" for the square hole, but are also modified to fit the U
shaped ones which I'm using at present. Yes I always carried spares and
just used the last one. As it would not seem completely impossible to
fit the square holers, I think may be I'll keep them handy and may fit
them next annual.
Thanks for all the input, I had kept an old e mail from Colie Pitts and
have sent an e mail to Preferred Airparts. Will see what they say.

Ian Whose head is ringing with all the options :-)

On 8/02/2011 11:16 AM, Tony Markl wrote:
> Dear Ian
> See if your wheel has 3/8" square "tits" projections located half way
> between each of the U clips. If so , you can use the "square" ones.
> It will be easier to understand if you take the wheel off but they are
> pushed on and pop over the projection. To get them off will be harder,
> perhaps a feeler gage would lift them.
>
> Somebody with these clips-- how do YOU do it? I also believe that
> Tom Roush of this list has an article written on doing all this?
>
> Strongly advise not taxiing with missing clips BTDT
> Regards,
> Tony Markl
> www.tailwheel-and-fabric-spoken-here.com

> <http://www.tailwheel-and-fabric-spoken-here.com>

[colie pitts]

Ian, just checked preferred airparts inventory, and they only have 815 new "U" clips and 26 used SV ones. bet you can get the serviceble ones at a pretty good deal . let me know how it works out. that was 704 of the 95-23482 and111 of the alternate number 95-23937, both like your using.

--
colie pitts

[joer...@suddenlink.net]

I found an old butter knife to be a good tool for gently prying up the rear of the clip over the boss for removal. The first clip was always most difficult, and the rest were progressively easier. There was an optimum position to rotate the wheel for clip removal. I think it was directly across from the caliper. And the axle nut needed to be off so the disk could move out to the edge of the wheel casting as the wheel moved out on the axle at the same time as the clip is lifted over the boss.. jrh

.

---- Tony Markl <ma...@intercom.net> wrote:
> Dear Ian
> See if your wheel has 3/8" square "tits" projections located half way
> between each of the U clips. If so , you can use the "square" ones.
> It will be easier to understand if you take the wheel off but they are
> pushed on and pop over the projection. To get them off will be harder,
> perhaps a feeler gage would lift them.
>
> Somebody with these clips-- how do YOU do it? I also believe that Tom
> Roush of this list has an article written on doing all this?
>
> Strongly advise not taxiing with missing clips BTDT
> Regards,
> Tony Markl
> www.tailwheel-and-fabric-spoken-here.com

> <http://www.tailwheel-and-fabric-spoken-here.com>

> "Fabric work done or taught at your location"

_______________________________________________

[Bob McGrath]

Yes it is on, and can be printed out from, the FAA website. The title of
it is "Parts and Materials Substitution for Vintage Aircraft." It is an
amazing step in the right direction by the FAA.
Bob

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From: "Ian Harvie" <ianh...@internode.on.net>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 6:55 PM
To: <aer...@westmont.edu>
Subject: Re: [f-AA] Goodyear brake clips

[n20...@provide.net]

What about the Luscombe foundation?  Seems like they were making some.

Scott

[Cy Galley]

Here is a PDF of the AC 23-27 on Aging Aircraft

Cy Galley; Editor - Aeronca Aviator
Supporting Aeroncas every day
www.aeronca.org

[Ian Harvie]

Thanks Bob, it will be interesting to see if this is followed here.

Ian

[Ian Harvie]

Colie and Joe. Yes it's really getting to look like I'll use the square
hole ones I have.

Ian

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> --
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>
>
>

[Ian Harvie]

Cy I've saved it and am sending it off to a friend who is a LAME (A&P
I/A) who primarily looks after vintage aircraft to see what he says.

Ian

[colie pitts]

those square hole clips will work just fine as long as the bosses or tit area has not been worn excessively from previous use. my printer/ scanner is down right now, but when I get it back up ,will scan and send you the square hole clip removal and installation page from the goodyear operation and service manual.

--
colie pitts

[Bob McGrath]

It is nice to be here with folks more skilled than I. It was a miracle for
me to be able to print it out for myself!!!

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Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 7:39 PM

[Rich Dugger]

When you open it you might want to SAVE it as well, then you can always find
it, pass it on, or print another copy of it.

Rich

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Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 9:31 PM

[Ian Harvie]

Thanks Colie

Ian

On 8/02/2011 2:27 PM, colie pitts wrote:
> those square hole clips will work just fine as long as the bosses or
> tit area has not been worn excessively from previous use. my printer/
> scanner is down right now, but when I get it back up ,will scan and
> send you the square hole clip removal and installation page from the
> goodyear operation and service manual.
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Ian Harvie
> <ianh...@internode.on.net <mailto:ianh...@internode.on.net>> wrote:
>
> Colie and Joe. Yes it's really getting to look like I'll use the
> square
> hole ones I have.
>
> Ian
>
> On 8/02/2011 1:26 PM, colie pitts wrote:
> > Ian, just checked preferred airparts inventory, and they only
> have 815
> > new "U" clips and 26 used SV ones. bet you can get the
> serviceble ones
> > at a pretty good deal . let me know how it works out. that was
> 704 of
> > the 95-23482 and111 of the alternate number 95-23937, both like your
> > using.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Ian Harvie
> <ianh...@internode.on.net <mailto:ianh...@internode.on.net>

> > <mailto:ianh...@internode.on.net

> <mailto:Aer...@westmont.edu <mailto:Aer...@westmont.edu>>

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[Bob McGrath]

thanks. My wife is a whiz so when I run into a problem she goes zap, zap,
zap and I never learn how it was done!!

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