[f-AA] Navmonster

[Paul M. Anton]

https://www.navmonster.com/  Navmonster is back

[Roger Anderson]

It is a good one!   Although, for the very little cross country I ever do anymore, my WingX Pro certainly covers all the bases.  But, glad Navmonster is back!    roger

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From: "Paul M. Anton" <pma...@tds.net>
To: "Paul M. Anton" <pma...@tds.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 6:26:46 PM
Subject: [f-AA] Navmonster

https://www.navmonster.com/  Navmonster is back

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[Roger Anderson]

And, a flight service station could not be more obsolete these days.  ......as an after thought.    my opinion.....roger.....again

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From: "Roger Anderson" <11...@comcast.net>
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Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 12:46:36 PM
Subject: Re: [f-AA] Navmonster

[Richard Murray]

forbid a government agency should give you a warm fuzzy feeling, or offer you a cup of coffee, while they went about their duties of disseminating meteorlogical data in plain English

Richard in OH 33 in a row and recalling the Flight Service Station and some really nice people who sought to help pilots (anybody done a DF stear lately?)

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Each sunrise is an opportunity to learn more than you knew the day before.

[Roger Anderson]

I'm gonna guess the last of the DFs went the way of the...ADFs....or soon to be way of ADFs.  Actually, it was just an ADF in reverse.  The last one I saw in FAA use was ours at the LGB Tracon in mid '70s.  When the Tracon was decommissioned (function relocated to El Toro, soon to be Coast, later to be So.Cal), when the technicians tried to remove the ADF from its panel, the wiring behind it literally crumbled.  They threw the entire unit in a trash bin.  Rafael can almost see the old LGB Tracon location from his house.  It was in the old control tower on top of the terminal.  Here's a couple of pics of the ADF.  Scan 390, upper left with the white piece of paper just touching it.  Scan 393, upper left, white paper still just touching it.   We would have an aircraft key their transmitter without talking.  The needle would point to the aircraft.  We would read the back of the needle and tell the aircraft to steer whatever course for LGB.   Can't imagine anyone needing a steer these days with GPS.   roger

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From: "Richard Murray" <murra...@gmail.com>
To: aer...@westmont.edu
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 1:03:13 PM

[Richard Murray]

I'm relying on my memory (dangerous), but I recall you would call requesting a steer and they would record your bearing from as well as the course you were flying then have you call back after a given period of time and record the new bearing from. Then use a wheel calculator to calculate your position.

Richard in OH who might have gotten one or two parts of the procedure correct.

[Roger Anderson]

Way back when, FSS would have been able to do that, back when they had stations in pretty remote locations.  For us in the Tracon, if an aircraft was lost and wanted found, rather than just a course to fly to get to LGB, we would use it to assist in that process.   At any time on a nice weather Saturday or Sunday in the greater L.A. area, there would be an average 175 aircraft flying about.   In the '70s a bunch of them still did not have a transponder to help in radar identifying them.   The L.A. visibility back then was usually about 4 or 5 miles max.  So we got a bunch of out of towners who would fly in for Disneyland or whatever, enter the mass of wall to wall housing and development, etc, couldn't see very far, and would become immediately lost trying to find their destination airport (Fullerton frequently).  They would call us lost.   If they didn't have a transponder with which they could ident, we would first have them just transmit for our DF pointer to point.  It would then give us an azimuth direction which to look out on the radar.  Unfortunately, since there was no DME involved, they could be any target in that direction from a mile to many miles out from LGB in the pointer's direction.   However, then we could start narrowing it down by asking them their heading at that moment.  We could then look to see how many of the many targets were going basically in that direction.   Then, the we could start giving them turns to specific headings and see who of those targets then turned as requested.  Picking the most likely, we would usually give two more heading changes to insure we had the right lost guy/gal.  After that, we would call radar contact and vector them to wherever they were trying to go.  Frequently, they were lost only a short distance from that location.  L.A. area back then with all that smog, easy place to get lost.   roger

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From: "Richard Murray" <murra...@gmail.com>
To: aer...@westmont.edu

Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 3:58:30 PM

[Paul M. Anton]

.  L.A. area back then with all that smog, easy place to get lost.   roger

 

I was supposed to solo in my 16th birthday in April 1954. I was flying out of the old Grand Central  Air Terminal in Glendale. The field was IFR in smog for my birthday and 4 days  after. :-(

 

 

Paul Salome, AZ

 

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[Roger Anderson]

A person who hasn't experienced the smog of L.A. In the '50s has no idea.  I'm assuming Beijing and Mexico City might be similar now.  Day after day, max 3 miles vis with choking, eye burning pollution.  I lived in Culver City in '54.  roger 

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[Duane Fey]

Roger,

I grew up in Orange County, in the 70’s.  I remember Dr. George Fishbeck and his 4th stage smog alerts.  Looking up the sky was blue, but looking horizontally through the soup was very brown.  I don’t remember when you left LA.  Do you remember Dr. George Fishbeck, the Channel 7 weather man?

Duane

’46 Chief, N85981

[Roger Anderson]

Hey Duane.  I do indeed!  I can picture "Dr. George" right now.   What a character he was.   We moved from L.A. in '76.  At that time I was working at LGB,  living in Huntington Beach, and flying out of Meadowlark a lot.  My folks lived in Manhattan Beach where they had a house not far from the beach.  Paid $26K for in in late '50s, sold it in '76 for $69K, saw it recently listed for $2,800,000.  Saw the average home value in Manhattan Beach now is $3.1 million.  Insane!   Reference the smog, yea, you'd take off into a brown cloud of about 3 miles vis..if you were lucky... climb up and at usually 3,000 or so break out into clear skies with snow capped mountains in the distance.  Just like climbing through stratus clouds.   roger

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From: "Duane Fey" <duan...@gmail.com>
To: aer...@westmont.edu
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 2:01:32 AM
Subject: [f-AA] ###  Navmonster

[kboat...@comcast.net]

Can’t speak for Beijing or Mexico city, but in Shanghai, I’ve never seen a blue sky.  From the ground, looking up vertically, putty brown is the standard color of the sky.  It is just awful.

 

And then, there’s the traffic... 

[Doug Rounds]

Roger Califorina is high as they are getting ready to become their own Country..