[f-AA] FW: [The Molesworth Pilot] October 1, 2013
Cy Galley
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MOLESWORTH PILOT UPDATEThis newsletter is being scaled back for numerous reasons. The main reason is my family and I have just moved to a home in Southern Utah and I have limited time to devote to this. Funding is not a concern and this is NOT a plea for donations. I will continue to publish obituaries and news of important events as they occur. Thanks to all of you for the long-time support.
He joined the Army Air Corp in 1941. Tom Hardin was a B-17 bomber pilot in WWII. He was one of the original "Hells Angels" in the 303rd Bomber Group. He married MaeBelle Bryant of Birmingham AL in 1946. They met when they were both stationed in San Antonio, TX, Randolph Field where she was a control tower operator in the WAC. His USAF career took him to many places in the world, with his devoted wife following . Major Hardin was proud of the many medals awarded him, including The Distinguished Flying Cross (Pilot, 35 missions into Germany), Air Medal w/one silver and one bronze oak leaf cluster, American Defense Service Medal, American Campaign Medal w/one bronze battle star, European-African-Middle Eastern Medal w/three bronze battle stars, WWII Victory Medal, Army of Occupation Medal/Japan, National Defense Service Medal w/one bronze star, Korean Service Medal w/four bronze battle stars, Air Force Longevity Service Award Ribbon w/four bronze oak leaf clusters, Armed Forces Reserve Medal, United Nations Service Medal, Republic of Korea War Service Medal, and Republic of Korea Presidential Unit Citation. Following his Air Force career they settled in St. Petersburg, FL where he became a corporate pilot. Some of his clients included Governor Lawton Chiles and baseball player Pete Rose. He logged over 11,400 hours of flying time. In 1985 he and MaeBelle moved into Timber Pines, Spring Hill FL. He was also a devoted member of the local chapter of the Military Officers Association of America (MOAA). He also participated in the April 2013 Honor Flight to Washington D.C. His interment will be at Florida National Cemetery in Bushnell, with Full Military Honors. Service to be held on October 11, 2013 at 1:00 p.m. Ralph spent his early years in Chicago, Ill., and served his country in World War II in the U.S. Army Air Corps as a fighter and B-17 pilot. He proudly flew 37 combat missions over Germany as a member of Hell's Angels 303rd bomber group in the 360th squadron. After the war Ralph married Margaret Clemmer on March 9, 1946, in Spencer, Ind. Their early married years were spent in the Chicago area, where Ralph had many interesting friends, including members of the famous "Rat Pack." Later in their married life they settled in Jackson, where Ralph worked as a service manager in the heating and cooling industry for 25 years. In his spare time Ralph loved building model airplanes. Ralph was preceded in death by his loving wife of 58 years, Margaret Lucier; son, Terrance Lucier; brother, Richard; and sister, Lorraine. He is survived by his daughter, Beverly Lucier-Warnaar, of Lake Ann; son, Dr. Thomas Lucier and wife, Suzanne, of Graham, N.C.; and grandchildren, Andrew and Alex Rushlow, Sean, Christian and Sarah Lucier. Private family services will be held. William (Bill) was the third of six children born to Judge William F. and Esther (Volz) Shaughnessy on December 19, 1923 in Milwaukee, WI. He was raised in Shorewood and graduated from Marquette University High School in 1941. He then attended Marquette University in Milwaukee before enlisting in the Army Air Corps during WWII. He served as a B17 pilot stationed with the 8th Air Force, 303rd Bomb Group at Molesworth Air Base in England. Following discharge in April 1945 he attended Marquette Law School, graduating in 1948. He practiced law in Milwaukee for 10 years before serving as Deputy Register in Probate for Milwaukee County. In 1967 he was elected Judge for the Wisconsin Circuit Court where he served for 25 years, retiring in 1993. After retirement he spent winters in Tequesta, FL and summers at the family cottage on Silver Lake in Laona, WI, where he enjoyed spending time with family and friends. He spent his final 19 months in Baraboo, WI where he was lovingly cared for by his daughter and her family. He was a member of the Wisconsin Bar Association, the Knights of Columbus and served as president of the St. Joseph Foundation in Milwaukee. Bill is survived by his five children, Dr. William (Heidi) Shaughnessy of Rochester, MN, Mary Shaughnessy of Corvallis, OR, Ann (Robert) Ibler of Maple Plain, MN, Kate (Rick) Livingston of Baraboo, WI, Meg (Doug Mainwaring) Shaughnessy of Blodgett, OR and 12 grandchildren; Mike, Jenny, Erin, Robo, David, Sarah, Matthew, Catherine, Eliza, Zach, Ella and Finn. He is further survived by his devoted sisters, Eileen Weinand and Helen Langhoff, his lifelong friend Bud (Rita) Kuhrasch, many nieces and nephews. He was preceded in death by his parents and three of his sisters, Mary Fritsch (Dr. Kilian), Edith Loughrey (Charles) and Catharine Kellogg (Edward). A Memorial Mass will take place at a later date. Memorials may be made in his name to Marquette University Law School. On October 19, 1947, John married Elaine H. Brusko. John was a 53 year resident of the Carpentersville area and a member of the St. Monica Church in Carpentersville. He was a former 36 year employee of Illinois Bell / AT&T. John was a very proud W.W. II United States Army Air Corp Veteran. During his time in the service he served in the 303rd Bomb Group with the 8th Air Force. He was also an original member of the Hell's Angels, where he flew B17's and successfully completed 43 combat missions. John also received the Distinguished Flying Cross. He was a longtime active member and former officer at Tri-Cities Evergreen VFW # 2298 in West Dundee, Survivors include his wife of 65 years Elaine H. Their children: Pam (the late Steve) Cohn, Debra (Bob) Martineau, Jack (Nancy) Arendt, Kimberly (Alex) Srajer and Carrie (Keith) Tyson. John is also survived by (13) grandchildren: Jamie, Steven, David, Nicole, Matthew, Jonathon, Camelle, Robert, Austin, Reece, Madelyn, Clare and Justin as well as (11) great grandchildren. In addition to his parents, John was preceded in death by his brothers: Richard Arendt and Robert Valenzano. Family and Friends will meet for a Funeral Mass on Thursday at Noon at the St. Monica Church, Carpentersville. Burial with Military Honors will follow in the Dundee Township East Cemetery, East Dundee. Visitation will be held at the church on Thursday from 11:00 A.M. until the time of the Mass. Please omit flowers, Masses would be appreciated or memorials may be made to the St. Monica Church. The Miller Funeral Home is assisting the family. A maintenance man for Hoffmann LaRoche Co of Nutley for over 25 years retiring in 1989, John was a member of Quentin Roosevelt American Legion Post # 8, Clifton, and was and WW II Army-Airforce Veteran. John received a Distinguished Service Award from the 303rd Bombardment Group(H), "Hell's Angels" Combat Team, while serving at Molesworth, Cambridgeshire, England, 1942-1945. Beloved husband of the late Helen (Lewis) who died in 2011. Devoted father of Richard Veech and his wife Kathryn of Dingman's Ferry, Pa. Dear brother of The late Mary and Elizabeth. Loving grandfather of Marci Hirkaler and her husband John, Stacy Veech and her fiancee Scott Jones and Wendy Lowe. Adoring great grandfather of Ali, Courtney, Sydney, Alyssa and Samantha. Cherished uncle of Carol Smith. Funeral Tuesday 5:30 PM at the Shook Funeral Home, 639 Van Houten Ave Clifton. Cremation Private Visiting Tuesday 2-6PM at the funeral home. In lieu of flowers,donations made to the American Heart association in John's memory would be greatly appreciated. Graduating from Roaring Spring High School in 1940, Will entered WWII as a Lieutenant in the Army Air Force, graduating from pilot school at Moody Field, GA and proudly serving his country as a B-17 pilot with the 303rd Bombardment Group of the 8th Air Force based at Molesworth, England. After the war, he was employed as News Director of Radio Station WFBG and later as Manager of Radio Station WVAM, both in Altoona. In the mid-1960's, Will moved to Harrisburg and worked in State Government as Director of Marketing for the Department of Agriculture, Deputy Secretary of Commerce under Governor Shafer, Secretary of the Public Utilities Commission, and Personnel Director for the House of Representatives until his retirement in 1987. Will volunteered with the American Heart Association for 35 years, and was elected Chairman of the Board of the Pennsylvania Heart Association and Vice-President of the American Heart Association. He was awarded the George Washington Honor Medal by Freedoms Foundation at Valley Forge, the Walter Donaldson Award by the Pennsylvania Medical Society, and the Charles Mears Award by the Pennsylvania Heart Association. He was a Charter Member of the Roaring Spring Lions Club, awarded a Lifetime Membership in the American Legion Post in Roaring Spring and received a Special Service Award from the citizens of his hometown. An active member of St. Thomas United Church of Christ in Linglestown, Will served on the Consistory for the church, and enjoyed being a speaker for children's sermons. He was also a volunteer auctioneer for the church's annual fundraiser. While Will enjoyed public speaking, writing poetry, reading, hunting, sharing WWII stories and attending Penn State football games, his favorite times were family gatherings. His family was his pride and joy. He will be lovingly remembered by his five children Karen Ketner-Fink (Dr. Stacey Fink) of Lititz, Patti Hanawalt (John) of Harrisburg, Pam Lindsay (Jim) of Bluffton, SC, SMSgt William Ketner (Dale) of Williamstown and Richard Ketner (Pam) of Dillsburg as well as his eight grandchildren and six great-grandchildren. Will is also survived by his children's mother, Dotti Kyler, as well as friend Bernadette Runk and his canine buddy Snuffy. The family will receive friends on Thursday, July 25, 2013, from 6-8 P.M., at the Hoover Funeral Homes and Crematory, Inc., 6011 Linglestown Road in Linglestown. A Funeral Service will be held, Friday, July 26, at 10:30 A.M., at St. Thomas United Church of Christ in Linglestown with Rev. Dr. Donald C. Wetzel officiating. Burial with military honors will be held at Indiantown Gap National Military Cemetery, Annville. In lieu of flowers, contributions may be made in memory of Will Ketner to the American Cancer Society, 2 Lemoyne Drive, Suite 101, Lemoyne, PA 17043 or his church, St. Thomas United Church of Christ, 6490 Linglestown Road, Linglestown, PA 17112. Bob was born to Roberta and Marcus Wertz on January 2, 1920 in Newark, New Jersey. He attended college at Lehigh University in Lehigh Valley, PA. Bob excelled in academics and all sports during his college years; but his most mentionable experience was when he was on the team when his brother threw the touchdown pass enabling the Lehigh "Engineers" to beat Penn State. When war broke out in WWII his brother joined the Navy and Bob joined the Army Air Corp. After completing pilot training in the Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress, Bob came to Alexandria as the 1st instructor pilot of the B-17 at England Air Force Base. His assignment to Alexandria is how he met his wife Margaret Hill and her siblings Walter Hill and his wife Allie and Betty Hill. Walter and Allie had six children Catherine, Dave, Elizabeth, Margaret, Louise, and Ann. After training many flight crews for the European Theater he was transferred to Molesworth, England. He was on the 24th mission, one more and he was going home, when he was shot down; Bob and his crew became Prisoners of War in Germany. For this last mission he and his crew were awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross in 1992 at the opening ceremony for the 8th Air Force Museum in Savannah, GA. In 2013 Bob was honored as a special guest at the Houston Air Show of the Former Blue Angels Team Members and Top Gun Aviator Instructors, to thank him for his service in WWII. Being able to meet many wounded warriors from the current conflicts he was told that it was an honor to meet a warrior from the "Greatest Generation"; in turn he brought tears to their eyes when he told them "No, you are the greatest generation of warriors, because you all are volunteers." In 1946, after returning from WWII he married Margaret Hill where they lived together all of their lives in Alexandria, LA. While living in Alexandria he worked at Southern Chevrolet, where he later retired. Through all of their years together they served as great pillars in the community; being active in the Republican Party and participating in various sport organizations including Alexandria Aquatic and Tennis Club. He was the most selfless man always putting others first, especially his wife. Bob spent the last 5 years of his wife's life by her side at the nursing home day and night watching and caring for her until she passed in 2006. Bob's two passions after being a great doubles partner for his wife were fishing and hunting. He enjoyed all the activities with his sons and grandsons. Bob will be greatly missed by all that were able to have known him. Those left to cherish his memories include his sons: Robert M. Wertz, Jr. and wife Nancy of Baton Rouge, LA., Thomas C. Wertz of The Woodlands, TX and John H. Wertz and wife Rae Lyn of The Woodlands, TX; his 5 grandsons Don Dustin Wertz of New Orleans, LA, Robert Christopher Wertz and wife Lindy of New Orleans, LA, Lt. Andrew Paul Wertz of Alaska, Michael Dale Burnham on Baton Rouge, LA and Phillip James Lee of Houston, TX; his great granddaughter Amelia Margaret Wertz and newborn on the way. Pallbearers honored to serve will be his grandsons. Honorary pallbearers will be Tom Stafford of Alexandria, LA and Mark Wertz of Dallas, TX. In lieu of flowers the family requests memorials be made in honor of Bob Wertz to Hope for the Warriors @ 5101C Backlick Rd. Annandale, Va. 22003. Online notes of condolences may be made to the family at kramerf...@aol.com. Major Scheer continued his service to his country in the active Air Force Reserves until 1977 and also went on to have a very successful career as a builder, general contractor and real estate entrepreneur in New York City, Westchester County New York, New Jersey and Florida. He resided (until 1976) in Mt. Vernon, New York where with his wife Dorothy (who died in June 1992), raised their 3 sons Steven, Andrew and Dana. While living in New York, Mr. Scheer was active in many civic and religious organizations including Masons and Temple Emanuel. As President of Temple Emanuel he engineered the merger with The Jewish Center to form Emanuel Jewish Center of Mt. Vernon. In 1976 Mr. Scheer retired to, Florida, where he continued his active religious and civic participation as a leader of Temple Shalom (Pompano Beach), President of the Palm Aire Civic Association, the Palm Aire Men's Golf Association, as well as an active leader of the City of Pompano Beach Community Redevelopment Agency (CRA) where he helped lead the drive to create the Carver Homes Development, and was also very active in Pompano Beach politics. He and his wife Alice resided in Palm Aire Country Club, Pompano Beach until 2011. Mr. Scheer is survived by his wife Alice, sons (and their respective spouses), Steven (Glenda), Andrew (Irene) and Dana (Pia), 7 grandchildren and 2 great-grandchildren. Mr. Scheer was 95 years old. Burial is planned for Arlington National Cemetery.
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Mark Peterson
to the note (upside down) in the auction, this is the experimental landing gear that Goodyear bought the Chum to test.
March 1948 is the photo date and the date is after the 1947 cancellation of the Chum project. Proof of where one Chum
ended up...so we have a trail up to March 1948.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-Press-Photo-a37-Aeronca-Airplane-OW-Loudenlager-/350888865742
Richard Murray
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Jerry Eichenberger
When I looked at the old ad, it mentioned that the Chum was spin proof. Anybody know if they copied the Ercoupe philosophy of restricting elevator deflection to the point that you can’t stall, thereby preventing spins?
It looks so much like a single tail Ercoupe. Did the Chum have rudder pedals, or was it interconnected like the Ercoupe?
Mark Peterson
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Richard Murray
Richard Murray
Jerry Eichenberger
Interesting read. I wonder why Aeronca even started this though. Why have two companies building what, in essence, was the same airplane – Chum and Ercoupe?
As a former Ercoupe owner, and one who still likes the airplane, I had my share of ribbing about when I’d get a “real” airplane – of course, I had over 6,000 hours in “real” airplanes before I got my Coupe.
Frankly, I may get another Ercoupe in a year or so. They are fun as heck in the summer with the side windows down, warm in the winter with a real heater and the side windows closed. 105 – 110 mph cruise with a C-85, plenty of baggage room with the extended baggage kit, and able to handle a 30 knot direct cross wind. 20 knots directly across the runway is a pussy cat. 24 gallons of fuel plus the decent cruise speed means a nice, VFR, cross country airplane.
My only issue with an Ercoupe is the total inability to slip, and if you have a real engine failure and forced landing, the only way to modulate the glide angle is to slow the airspeed dramatically by pulling the yoke all of the way back, and she sinks like a rock; remember that you can’t stall, but you can get the airspeed near stall, and high induced drag. You better dump the nose over a regain airspeed at about 300 AGL, so you have enough airspeed to flare for the landing. With the lack of elevator authority, you have to learn to fly the Coupe a little differently – meaning faster than the other 85 hp classics if the era. I always flew final at 80 mph, and then had plenty of control authority for a nice landing. Get to 70 or below, and you’ll thump it in hard, as you can’t flare much at slow speeds.
Another trick to come down steeper is, when the side windows are down, stick your arm straight out – it’s like having a flap on one wing. Or scootch into the center of the seat and stick an arm out each side window – bingo – you have flaps.
Jerry E.
Richard Murray
Jerry Eichenberger
Richard –
A true story – when Boeing was designing the C-135 and 707 in the mid to later 1950s, they quickly realized that you can’t do a cross wind landing in the conventional manner, as you will drag the outboard, under slung engine with the upwind wing lowered very much at all.
So, the factory bought 3 Ercoupes to teach factory test pilots how to land in a crab. Remember that factory test pilots of that era were guys who grew up flying tailwheel airplanes, and they were loath to even think about landing in a crab.
But, the rest is history, and every modern airliner with under slung engines, especially 4 engine airplanes with an outboard engine near the end of the wing lands in a crab.
The B-52 has castering bicycle gear to enable it to land in a crab, with the gear cranked away from the wind so that the gear is tracking straight even though the nose of the airplane is headed into the wind.
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Roger Anderson
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Dan Vandermeer
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Jerry Eichenberger
It's a PQ-13. Some kind of drone, but I don't recall the whole story.
I am on an Ercoupe email list like this one - but if I bring it up there,
I'll get 100 replies,.
Jerry
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Subject: Re: [f-AA] Chum which ended up at Goodyear for testing - rare photo
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Jerry Eichenberger
Doug –
My nephew was a production test pilot at Boeing – certainly not in the 1950s, but he is the one who told me this story when I got my Ercoupe.
Sorry if it’s incorrect.
Jerry
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Jerry E.
I think those would be more like “Dive Brakes” since your arms don’t create much lift, No?
Cy Galley
It was a modified Ercoupe that was to be built under license.
Tony Buttacav
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Jerry Eichenberger
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Tony Buttacavoli
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Rich Dugger
Cy Galley
They do IF you FLAP them! <GRIN>
From: aeronca...@westmont.edu [mailto:aeronca...@westmont.edu] On Behalf Of Rich Dugger
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Subject: Re: [f-AA] Chum which ended up at Goodyear for testing - rarephoto -
Or scootch into the center of the seat and stick an arm out each side window – bingo – you have flaps.
Dan Vandermeer
A tour of the museum that includes visits to storage and rebuilding areas not seen by most visitors is a part of the NAA biennial meeting in Middletown, The Ohio. Plan to go next summer.
Rafael
Rafael
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Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 2:36 PM
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Richard Murray
Jerry Eichenberger
Richard –
I think he means the restoration hangar at the Air Force Museum. I’ve been over there a time or two, and when you can get a tour, it’s a neat place.
As I recall, I saw FDR’s and Truman’s presidential planes there, wasn’t it Truman who named his The Sacred Cow, or something humorous like that?
Further to our chat yesterday about Ercoupes, one of the main things that appeals to me about them is that they are about the only of the classics that are both LSA compliant and have a decent cruise speed. Cessna 140s do cruise at about the same speed too, but they aren’t LSA compliant.
For me to go from Marysville to Put-in-Bay or elsewhere on the Lake Erie islands is about 1.5 hours each way in the Champ. And, if I’m carrying a heavy passenger, and can’t fill the wing tanks, it means a fuel stop on the way back. In a Coupe, it’s about 60 – 70 minutes each way, and no need to stop for fuel coming home.
While 25 mph faster may not seem like much, it is almost 30% faster than the Champ. That means a whole lot if you’re trying to go a couple of hundred miles and back in a day.
Jerry E.
Richard Murray
| Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1 | |||
| Aircraft Description | |||
| Serial Number | 12A-1 | Certificate Issue Date | 07/11/1947 |
| Manufacturer Name | AERONCA | Mode S Code (base 8 / oct) | 51115764 |
| Model | 12AC | Mode S Code (base 16 / hex) | A49BF4 |
| Year Manufacturer | 1945 | Cancel Date | 10/10/1955 |
| Reason for Cancellation | Cancelled | Export To | None |
| Type Registration | Corporation | ||
| Aircraft Registration prior to Deregistration | |||
| Name | GOODYEAR TIRE & RUBBER CO INC | ||
| Street | UNKNOWN | ||
| City | AKRON | ||
| State | OHIO | Zip Code | 44301 |
| County | SUMMIT | ||
| Country | UNITED STATES | ||
| Deregistered Airworthiness | |||
| Engine Manufacturer | None | Classification | Unknown |
| Engine Model | None | Category | None |
| A/W Date | None | ||
| Deregistered Other Owner Names | |||
| None | |||
The other 'N' number doesn't show up anywhere in the records database as being assigned.
Mark Peterson
Subject: Re: [f-AA] Chum which ended up at Goodyear for testing - rare photo -
Jerry Eichenberger
Richard –
There is an email list like this one for Ercoupe owners, and I have been a member of it for years.
Recently there was discussion, albeit theoretical only, about building Coupes again for the LSA market. Much of that discussion would be applicable to the Chum as well.
Setting aside for the moment that the LSA market is already terribly overcrowded with too many airplanes vying for a small market, if you look at what Legend Cub has been able to do in resurrecting a classic airplane and modernizing it, and selling it fairly well, there is a small flicker of a candle light at the end of this tunnel. American Champion tried to do the same thing with the LSA Champ, but they made a huge mistake in being stubborn about not lightening the airplane, insisting on toe brakes, and not using a Rotax engine. The LSA Champ is basically a one person airplane with enough fuel to fly outside of the traffic pattern, and even if you fill it, it only holds 18 gallons, so the range is compromised a good bit. If ACA would have made the airplane go on a severe diet and lose 100+ pounds, maybe it could have been viable.
If you take a Coupe or Chum design, do your best to retain the classic looks, and then modernize it with a Rotax engine to get 100 hp and lower weight, composite prop to save more weight, and perhaps go to 3 control configuration, like the later iterations of the Coupe, in order to eliminate the weight and complexity of the control mixer for the interconnect you could save even more weight. Also, if the airplane were conventional 3 control design, the massive landing gear could be changed to a much lighter structure that would not have to handle the side loads inherent in a 2 control design.
Dreaming on a Wednesday.
Jerry E.
From: aeronca...@westmont.edu [mailto:aeronca...@westmont.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Murray
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [f-AA] Chum which ended up at Goodyear for testing - rare photo -
Jerry,
Jerry Eichenberger
Yes, I was referring to an Ercoupe at the AF Museum.
Jerry E.
Rich Dugger
I flew a demo machine at Sun n Fun a couple years ago and it was a great little machine.
Low wing design and a canopy you can open inflight?
Good idea , Jerry.
(The head of IBM, refusing to back the idea, forcing the inventor to found Xerox)
Jerry Eichenberger
Rich –
Tell ya what, you put up the $3 Million to get this started, and I’ll chip in the legal work. Deal??
Jerry
Rich Dugger
I just don’t have the 3 million it takes to get any of these ideas off the ground.
Rich
Rich –
Jerry Eichenberger
Nor do I.
Dale P. Jewett
FDR named his presidential airplane the Sacred Cow. Truman’s was named Independence. Ike’s was the Columbine.
Dale Jewett
From: aeronca...@westmont.edu [mailto:aeronca...@westmont.edu] On Behalf Of Jerry Eichenberger
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 9:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [f-AA] Chum which ended up at Goodyear for testing - rare photo -
Richard –
Jerry Eichenberger
Thanks, Dale. I knew about Columbine.
Jerry E.
Richard Murray
Jerry Eichenberger
To me, the biggest mistake that ACA made is assuming that it matters to buyers if the airplane is Part 23 certified, or just built to LSA consensus standards. Legend Cub is smart – they went the LSA route and saved a boat load of money. ACA was just stubborn about this, when it doesn’t matter a whit to 99% of potential buyers.
Rotax does have a certified version of the 912, by the way, but as you can imagine, it costs more.
Why pay license royalties? With enough changes, again like Legend Cub did, you avoid the original TC holder altogether.
Richard Murray
Roger Anderson
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