[f-AA] C-3 for sale

[Paul M. Anton]

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/avo/d/reno-vintage-aircraft-for-sale/6795049694.html

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[Mark Peterson]

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From: aer...@westmont.edu <aer...@westmont.edu> on behalf of Paul M. Anton <pma...@tds.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:09 AM
To: Aeronca
Subject: [f-AA] C-3 for sale

 

[Roger Anderson]

If my dad was still alive, I'd get both the C3 and the Curtiss Pusher.  He had both.  He'd have them ready for me to fly in short order.   Joe?  Craig?  Rafael?    roger

[Lucy Ooi]

I've seen these posted and actually talked to some of the antique guys down here about the Curtiss. I know it makes me a bit of a traitor, but I want one of those! Hey, ABCs. Aeronca, Bellanca...Curtiss! :D As a note, don't tell antique guys there is a Curtiss Pusher for sale. They get super excited. Apparently the "Curtiss Pusher" is a 1911 airplane. This is a "Junior". They were very particular about that. 

This one has been up for sale for a while. I saw it kicking around for sale on Facebook. Apparently this guy is a dealer and is selling off planes from an estate. The antiquer near me advised me against buying this one because he just wants too much for it for the shape it's in. He said at that price it should be flying. Also, it is registered as experimental exhibition, but there are ones out there with the 65 that are standard category, so I'm not sure why this one isn't. That being said, if I was local to the plane I may feel differently.

Lucy

N4009B

"Rudolph"

[Rafael Gomez Blanco]

Hey hey hey dot be putting ideas in my head!!. They look too good for me to buy lol

[Richard Murray]

Hey all aren't these part of what a fellow in Reno has been trying to sell for 3 or 4 years?

Richard in OH wondering if Lucy and Allen are showing up everyday or just sit'n at home browsing airplane sites...;)

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[Roger Anderson]

My Dad's Pusher Jr.  with a Zekley.    roger

[Richard Murray]

Roger-

NC623V was deregistered in 1948

The FAA Registration Branch would never accept General Deliver as an address of record today.

Richard in OH who was informed you must have a physical address, PO Boxes don't count anymore either.

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[Richard Murray]

Roger-

You sparked a question. Was the Zekley a 3 or 4 cylinder engine? I could find nothing except a mention of the name with Lanape in an RC forum post.

Richard in OH looking for Zekley information to satisfy his curiosity.

[Roger Anderson]

I'll be darn!   Here's my Dad's registration from about 9 years earlier. He was 20 years old at the time.  The Zekley was a 3 cylinder.  My Dad said it blew cylinder off frequently.  So you always had bailing wire wrapped around all three heads to secure them.   roger

[Richard Murray]

Roger-

Thanks!!!

Spelling Zekely correct and adding SR3 produced results from Wikipedia

Richard in OH who thinks he might have seen one of these sell  at auction several years ago in New York state.

[Richard Murray]

Roger-

I'm getting corrected everytime I discover another link.

The actual spelling is Szekely and I found an article on the Ole Rhinebeck site of a woman setting an altitude record of 16,800 feet in a Taylor H-2 Cub with the 30hp version in 1937.

Richard in OH trying to wrap my head around how long it would take to get to 16,800 feet with a 30hp engine and the Poobah and Tacky thermaling to get over the next ridgeline with a 65hp Continental

[Roger Anderson]

Didn’t a C3 also have some kind of high altitude accomplishment back then wit its 36 hp. roger 

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On Jan 15, 2019, at 2:55 PM, Richard Murray <murra...@gmail.com> wrote:

Roger-

I'm getting corrected everytime I discover another link.

The actual spelling is Szekely and I found an article on the Ole Rhinebeck site of a woman setting an altitude record of 16,800 feet in a Taylor H-2 Cub with the 30hp version in 1937.

Richard in OH trying to wrap my head around how long it would take to get to 16,800 feet with a 30hp engine and the Poobah and Tacky thermaling to get over the next ridgeline with a 65hp Continental

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:34 PM Richard Murray <murra...@gmail.com> wrote:

Roger-

Thanks!!!

Spelling Zekely correct and adding SR3 produced results from Wikipedia

Richard in OH who thinks he might have seen one of these sell  at auction several years ago in New York state.

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:29 PM Roger Anderson <11...@comcast.net> wrote:

I'll be darn!   Here's my Dad's registration from about 9 years earlier. He was 20 years old at the time.  The Zekley was a 3 cylinder.  My Dad said it blew cylinder off frequently.  So you always had bailing wire wrapped around all three heads to secure them.   roger

On January 15, 2019 at 2:22 PM Richard Murray <murra...@gmail.com> wrote:

Roger-

You sparked a question. Was the Zekley a 3 or 4 cylinder engine? I could find nothing except a mention of the name with Lanape in an RC forum post.

Richard in OH looking for Zekley information to satisfy his curiosity.

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:12 PM Richard Murray < murra...@gmail.com> wrote:

Roger-

NC623V was deregistered in 1948

[Richard Murray]

I found this for a C-2 on the EAA Museum Website

NC13089 set the following records:

• Irene I. Crum - International altitude record 19,425.814 feet
• Howard C. Mayes Jr. - Altitude record for Junior pilots 19,997 feet
• Benjamin King - 500 km speed record for single-seat light seaplanes 70.499 mph
• Benjamin King - Airline distance record for single-seat light seaplanes 230.314 miles
• Benjamin King - International Altitude Record, single-seat light seaplanes 15,081.976 feet
• Benjamin King - 100 km speed record, single-seat light seaplanes 80.931 mph
• Benjamin King - Airline distance record, light seaplanes 221.20 miles

Of course in these days records were broken frequently

Richard in OH thinking I'd have so many layers of clothes on I'd be over gross on takeoff

[Roger Anderson]

You think they were sucking on any oxygen up there...or just toughing it out.   The C2 I see made it to 70.5 mph.   I remember our C3s were right at 64 mph TAS max.  roger

[Rafael Gomez Blanco]

The engine or the pilot?

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From: Roger Anderson <11...@comcast.net>
To: aeronca <aer...@westmont.edu>
Sent: Tue, Jan 15, 2019 1:43 pm
Subject: Re: [f-AA] C-3 for sale

[Cheddar Cat]

side note ---  for tax purposes, some aircraft are registered as "exhibition" since in some areas  (county, state, whatever) -- they are taxed or registered at a much lower rate than standard category

back when I was underwriting aviation, I found that California was one of these, then later on, when acting as an aircraft judge at Arlington fly-in, I wondered why some craft were requested to be judged when they were clearly not in competition for Grand Champion (or even a Workmanship award)  -- one owner politely mentioned that showing the tax guy the "Judge Me"  prop card with the judges' initials on it, proved that the aircraft WAS being exhibited ....

if I remember correctly, it was at about 10% of the "usual" tax/registration rate  ..  don't know if that is still in effect

Candy, who still misses the Champ

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 9:26 AM Lucy Ooi <ooi....@gmail.com> wrote:

I've seen these posted and actually talked to some of the antique guys down here about the Curtiss. I know it makes me a bit of a traitor, but I want one of those! Hey, ABCs. Aeronca, Bellanca...Curtiss! :D As a note, don't tell antique guys there is a Curtiss Pusher for sale. They get super excited. Apparently the "Curtiss Pusher" is a 1911 airplane. This is a "Junior". They were very particular about that. 

This one has been up for sale for a while. I saw it kicking around for sale on Facebook. Apparently this guy is a dealer and is selling off planes from an estate. The antiquer near me advised me against buying this one because he just wants too much for it for the shape it's in. He said at that price it should be flying. Also, it is registered as experimental exhibition, but there are ones out there with the 65 that are standard category, so I'm not sure why this one isn't. That being said, if I was local to the plane I may feel differently.

Lucy

N4009B

"Rudolph"

[Richard Murray]

Interesting.....very interesting.

Now I have another option to write off my habit

Richard in OH who for no sane reason bid on four aircraft today and they will now be considered exhibition projects.

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 5:14 PM Cheddar Cat <chedd...@gmail.com> wrote:

side note ---  for tax purposes, some aircraft are registered as "exhibition" since in some areas  (county, state, whatever) -- they are taxed or registered at a much lower rate than standard category

back when I was underwriting aviation, I found that California was one of these, then later on, when acting as an aircraft judge at Arlington fly-in, I wondered why some craft were requested to be judged when they were clearly not in competition for Grand Champion (or even a Workmanship award)  -- one owner politely mentioned that showing the tax guy the "Judge Me"  prop card with the judges' initials on it, proved that the aircraft WAS being exhibited ....

if I remember correctly, it was at about 10% of the "usual" tax/registration rate  ..  don't know if that is still in effect

Candy, who still misses the Champ

[Richard Murray]

Both...;)

I see the Szekely had an NA-S3 carb or a Zenith.

[Harvey Brock]

Hhhmmmmm!

   

19,425.814 feet? That would require a very accurate tape measure. 

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Date:01/15/2019 3:19 PM (GMT-06:00)
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Subject: Re: [f-AA] C-3 for sale