[f-AA] Buzz Wagner's O-200/O-235 STC for Champs.

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Carl Prather

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Dec 17, 2014, 5:19:16 AM12/17/14
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Guys,

I have Buzz's STC which allows the installation of either a Lycoming O-235 or a Continental O-200 in the 7AC Champ.   On page 12, it reads "Clamp-on Dorsal Fin, Specification #618 is recommended BUT not required under the STC."

His STC increases the gross weight to 1300 pounds, keeps the vertical fin looking original, allows for several choices of propellers and exhaust systems and finally, no electrical system is required.   I spoke to Buzz about the need for a dorsal fin.  He recalled that the Army required L-16's to recover from a spin in some fraction of a turn and with only minimal pilot input.   Buzz said "the pilot would have to be about two points above plant life in order to need that dorsal".    By Buzz's account, to win the Army contract, Aeronca may have simply given the appearance of what the Army wanted.  

Hope that helps,

Carl  

Willie Langholz

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Dec 17, 2014, 6:58:53 AM12/17/14
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Currently out of the country but I have buzz's 235 with big tail send email if you would like a copy 
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Dec 17, 2014, 7:00:18 AM12/17/14
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Still looking for some wheels :)

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Richard Murray

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Dec 17, 2014, 8:44:30 AM12/17/14
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Great job Carl, but doesn't it also state in Buzz's STC that the aircraft should be brought up to or meet the 7CCM specifications? 

Service Letter 15 requires the dorsal to meet 7CCM specifications.

Richard in OH with a 7CCM 'CONV' and Buzz's STC wondering if he could have removed the dorsal when he recovered the fuselage.

Aeronca Flyer

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Dec 17, 2014, 11:42:38 AM12/17/14
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What kind of wheels?

Richard in Creswell, with what appears to be a complete set of Goodyear wheels and brakes.

Richard Warner

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Dec 17, 2014, 4:58:57 PM12/17/14
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I agree, Richard Murray, It seems contradictory. 

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Dec 17, 2014, 5:20:00 PM12/17/14
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I have Goodyear main wheels that I am trying to find a new home for, so in case someone
needs these pls let me know.

Joe A

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> What kind of wheels?


> Richard in Creswell, with what appears to be a complete set of Goodyear wheels and brakes.
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> Still looking for some wheels :)

Willie Langholz

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Dec 18, 2014, 12:21:54 AM12/18/14
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I am leaving Mongolia today and will be home Friday . Will respond then

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Willie Langholz

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Dec 20, 2014, 1:03:17 PM12/20/14
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I'm back in the US.  who wanted the Buzz STC for the o-235 ?

Also it's cleveland wheel that I'm looking for (that fit over drum brakes)

Willie

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James Beckman

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Dec 21, 2014, 4:19:02 PM12/21/14
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Two questions. 1: Do you happen to 2 new grease seals that fit those wheels? 2: What would need to part (sell) with 1 set (1 inner, 1 outer) JB N34585
 
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$200 for each wheel half. When you say seals do you mean the felts or retainers? I have both 
 
 
 
 
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Dr. Angel Odelon Peter Medina

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Is there any current information on where to purchase Buzz's STC? The 7AC I have already has the large Dorsal Fin welded on it. I appreciate any help

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Richard Murray

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Yes Coe Wagner sells the STC but you have to catch him early 1200z or late 0100z each day by phone.
He only has a POTS so calling anytime is impossible unless he happens to be in the house.

Richard in OH who met Cole this Summer

Dr. Angel Medina

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Thanks for the information. I have 605-532-1305, is that current?

Dr. Angel Medina PhD


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Richard Murray

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Aug 16, 2019, 10:56:53 PM8/16/19
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The number I have reached Cole Wagner with is (605) 532-3862

Richard in OH who got him on the phone after multiple failed attempts because there is no answering machine and he lives alone.

roger matheny

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Aug 17, 2019, 11:31:50 AM8/17/19
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Do you know if Mr Wagner still has the 65T fiberglass cowlings?
  Roger M


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The number I have reached Cole Wagner with is (605) 532-3862

Richard in OH who got him on the phone after multiple failed attempts because there is no answering machine and he lives alone.

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Thanks for the information. I have 605-532-1305, is that current?

Dr. Angel Medina PhD


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Yes Coe Wagner sells the STC but you have to catch him early 1200z or late 0100z each day by phone.
He only has a POTS so calling anytime is impossible unless he happens to be in the house.

Richard in OH who met Cole this Summer

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 5:18 PM Dr. Angel Odelon Peter Medina <4u2lea...@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there any current information on where to purchase Buzz's STC? The 7AC I have already has the large Dorsal Fin welded on it. I appreciate any help

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Guys,

I have Buzz's STC which allows the installation of either a Lycoming O-235 or a Continental O-200 in the 7AC Champ.   On page 12, it reads "Clamp-on Dorsal Fin, Specification #618 is recommended BUT not required under the STC."

His STC increases the gross weight to 1300 pounds, keeps the vertical fin looking original, allows for several choices of propellers and exhaust systems and finally, no electrical system is required.   I spoke to Buzz about the need for a dorsal fin.  He recalled that the Army required L-16's to recover from a spin in some fraction of a turn and with only minimal pilot input.   Buzz said "the pilot would have to be about two points above plant life in order to need that dorsal".    By Buzz's account, to win the Army contract, Aeronca may have simply given the appearance of what the Army wanted.  

Hope that helps,

Carl  

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Aug 17, 2019, 11:49:42 AM8/17/19
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My 65TAC has the fiberglass cowl but the paper work is not very good and info would be helpful

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Richard Murray

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Roger M-

Yes Cole has fiberglass cowlings and a plethera of parts. Again he is difficult to reach unless you catch him before he starts his day or at the end of it. Anything in between is simply chance he is in the house. They used to have a phone in the hangar that would ring there and in the house, but when they reinvented the POTS phone system several years ago that configuration had to go.

Richard in OH who had to call the Chamber of Commerce initially to establish contact and now I routinely reach him.

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Do you know if Mr Wagner still has the 65T fiberglass cowlings?
  Roger M

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The number I have reached Cole Wagner with is (605) 532-3862

Richard in OH who got him on the phone after multiple failed attempts because there is no answering machine and he lives alone.

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 6:08 PM Dr. Angel Medina <4u2lea...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the information. I have 605-532-1305, is that current?

Dr. Angel Medina PhD


On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 2:26 PM Richard Murray <murra...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes Coe Wagner sells the STC but you have to catch him early 1200z or late 0100z each day by phone.
He only has a POTS so calling anytime is impossible unless he happens to be in the house.

Richard in OH who met Cole this Summer

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 5:18 PM Dr. Angel Odelon Peter Medina <4u2lea...@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there any current information on where to purchase Buzz's STC? The 7AC I have already has the large Dorsal Fin welded on it. I appreciate any help

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 2:19:16 AM UTC-8, Carl Prather wrote:


Guys,

I have Buzz's STC which allows the installation of either a Lycoming O-235 or a Continental O-200 in the 7AC Champ.   On page 12, it reads "Clamp-on Dorsal Fin, Specification #618 is recommended BUT not required under the STC."

His STC increases the gross weight to 1300 pounds, keeps the vertical fin looking original, allows for several choices of propellers and exhaust systems and finally, no electrical system is required.   I spoke to Buzz about the need for a dorsal fin.  He recalled that the Army required L-16's to recover from a spin in some fraction of a turn and with only minimal pilot input.   Buzz said "the pilot would have to be about two points above plant life in order to need that dorsal".    By Buzz's account, to win the Army contract, Aeronca may have simply given the appearance of what the Army wanted.  

Hope that helps,

Carl  

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Try calliing Cole circa 1200z or 0100z. He is on Central time and that should be 7AM or 8PM his time.

Richard in OH who was amazed at all of the items Buz Wagner had fabricated for Aeronca aircraft in addition to Stinson and Luscombe.

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I have a spare original cowl from a TF that would work well for a pattern.  It's got several patches.  Needs good home.  Just pay freight.

A school wanted it and their interest dissolved.

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Dr. Angel Odelon Peter Medina

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Thank you, I will keep trying to contact Cole with the number. Any Idea about the cost of the STC SA3-372?


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Richard Murray

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No idea of the cost. I would anticipate $250-$300 which is typical for STCs of this type.

Richard in OH who recalls paying $310 for Bill Pancake's C-85 upgrade for a Chief.

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Zachary Canright

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Carl, 
I have a Super Champ project that I bought in Alaska.  However it lists some other STC for the modification.  When I looked it up, it did not exist.  How much for the STC?  I want to get it flying again.  

Tnx, Zac

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Richard Murray

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Zac-

You need to call Cole Wagner 605-532-3861 in Clark, SD
He doesn't have a cell and may or may not have an answering machine on a POTS ( plain old telephone system) 
Best time to reach him is 6:45 to 7:30 Central Time (11:45z to 12:30z)

Mailing address is 323 1st Avenue East, Clark, SD 

Good luck.

Zachary Canright

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Richard, 
Thank you.  Will do. 
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