[f-AA] Champion 402 Lancer

[Mark Peterson]

Found this derelict airplane, stripped of the N numbers and any external identification, on the
west ramp up at Arlington.  Decided that a RC modeler would probably like a lot of detail photos of
one, even in this shape.   Sad, but then again, with the price of gas and keeping two engines in good shape
it's not worth that much.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=89BFA3A180B46A90!4460&authkey=!AMZRr1x69AyQjLQ&ithint=folder%2c.JPG

I didn't realize that the back seater had a panel on the ceiling!    You can tell there was a lot of engineering done
for the 26 or so planes that they produced.   You can see the yoke and the fake gear up/down switch on the panel
too.

Single engine ceiling was 2000 feet.  

Enjoy.

Mark 

[Robert McDonald]

Where's Craig McVeigh? Wasn't your goal to have one of every plane Aeronca built? :-)

Rob

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Craig needs to rescue this...

Joe A

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[Roger Anderson]

I've always had the  hots for a Lancer. Just don't know why.  So unique, so unusual.  Same vintage as the Champion Tri Con.  Another not very good idea of that era.  And keeping in mind, a 2000' single engine ceiling is a density altitude ceiling.  On any summer day at most sea level airports, its AGL single engine ceiling would be zip, nada, zero.   But...I still want one.  roger

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[Mark Zimmermann]

That has to be a money pit but would be a great project for a museum piece.

[CaptG...@aol.com]

Somebody ought to save it--if the data plate is still on it you could get all the info needed. Not a big mystery..

[craig mac veigh]

Rob, I just saw this.  Mark I can't believe that I didn't know this was here.  But it looks like it's over on the Paul Allen side.  My C-2 is in the blue hangars in the far background.  (the cheep side)  When I see that many pictures of a plane I kind of consider it as good as a Pre-Buy Inspection!!!  I've bought worse with less info.

I'm not is Seattle right now.  I'm chasing Aeronca parts and working on other money pits.  Maybe he'll take a Cessna 310 straight across?  I really do need one at some point.  I see there is one on Barnstormers.  I'll have to go check it out upon my return.

Thanks to all for the info.  This is just one more thing we need to talk about in Middletown.

Craig

[Scott Johnson]

The book Aeronca's Citabria's Decathaolons and Scouts talks a bit about the Lancer. One of the things they said was that for certification, the FAA made them move the location of the engines from more of a mid wing to on top of the wing because of visibility concerns. Apparently this really effected the performance of the wing in a very negative way contributing to its miserly performance.  

Scott

[Roger Anderson]

O 200s never gave it a chance.  With one of them windmilling and dragging that side, and the 100 hp of a Cessna 150 engine  pulling asymmetrically on the other side, the effective thrust left to fly the plane was probably only 60 to 70 hp, or about that of an A65.  roger    But...I still want one.......

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[CaptG...@aol.com]

But it, make it experimental, put O-320's on it where they belong and go fly...In our world today their isn't much pure...

[Roger Anderson]

Thinking of the Lancer, which I first saw while hanging out at Torrance, Ca in the early 60s, reminded me of another unusual aircraft.  That is the Wing Derringer which was built at Torrance about then.  It was a super sleek design with about a 200kt cruise.  The first prototype had 0 235s on it.  That wasn't enough and were replaced with O 320s.  However...it was a two place only.  The thought was that a businessman seldom carries a passenger and even then seldom more than one.  It was a fine little machine.  With production issues, an crash or two, and the business world issues, the Derringer never made it into production other than a very few being built.   I do remember frequently watching the prototypes come and go at Torrance.   Pics attached...including a Lancer.   roger

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[John Rodkey]

I like the looks of the Derringer.

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[Rich Dugger]

Sure looks like it out to go fast!!

 

 

From: Roger Anderson

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[ginny wilken]

There was one in a hangar at KOAK when I was just getting started. Being as how I flew behind one of them O-320s, I was in total awe of how much power two would be:) Never saw it fly, not sure it was airworthy, but, boy, I LIKED it! My educated impression is that I would STILL like it, and would love to fly one.

ginny

All stunts performed without a net!

[Anthony Buttacavoli]

Ernie Gann owned a Derringer and loved it.

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[CaptG...@aol.com]

One of the North Dakota airplanes shows O-320s

 

In a message dated 3/19/2014 6:28:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrpet...@msn.com writes:

Found my photos.  Here's the most likely candidate for this plane when it was 33 years younger...at Arlington or Bayview....can't remember which.  Looks like
Arlington, but we had the FlyIn at Bayview that year.  So either the photos are mislabeled with the date or its something else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now there are two in the database in WA state.  One in eastern Washington which a sale might be reported and one who is owned by someone at Ocean Shores, a beach front community.  The Ocean Shores one is Serial Number 1, yes construction number 1.   It's not too far fetched to think that a retired person at Ocean Shores may have bought this one and left it up at Arlington.   The plot thickens.

This one pictured is serial Number 22.  Now owned by someone in Alaska, which could be the same issue as the Ocean Shores one.  Owning and storing are two different things.

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From: dcwag...@hotmail.com
To: aer...@westmont.edu
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:10:09 -0400

Subject: Re: [f-AA] Champion 402 Lancer

There are only 12 listed in the FAA registry under Champion 402.

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 22:46:09 -0700

Subject: Re: [f-AA] Champion 402 Lancer

I'll have to look at the photos, but I was looking through the windows
in real time and didn't see one.  It had so much dust on the windows
it was hard to see.   I'm going to search some older photos from the 1980s
and see if I took a photo of the one that was on the airport back then.
If the colors and scheme match, maybe that's a place to start.

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> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 22:10:28 -0700
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> Mark,
>
> Was there an "n" number on the instrument panel?
>
> Joe A
>
> On 18 Mar 2014 at 20:28, Mark Peterson wrote:

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> From: Mark Peterson <mrpet...@msn.com>
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> >
> > If he is interested, I'd contact the City of Arlington and the Airport and find out
> > who is paying for the ramp or probably, who is in arrears in
> > paying for the ramp. That would put on the path. There wasn't any ID that I could
> > find on the plane, not even the external DEA placard.
> >
> > We had a 402 at Arlington back in the 1980s up at Aviation Inspection and
> > Repair. It was parked behind the shop. Maybe this is the same one.
> >
> > Mark

> >
> >
> > From: sibr...@hotmail.com
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> > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 22:53:26 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [f-AA] Champion 402 Lancer
> >

> > I've got a friend who would perhaps like to restore that
> > 402 if we can get some info on who has it and how
> > much they might want for it. This fella has restored a
> > number of antiques including a 1929 Robin, couple of
> > Steerman, a Stinson Reliant, and a couple of chiefs and
> > champs. If Mark or anyone can get us some more info
> > on the Lancer perhaps we can get it saved.
> > Thanks for any help Steve

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[CaptG...@aol.com]

There was one at AWO back in the 1970's--saw it at an Texas  AAA flying.

 

In a message dated 3/19/2014 6:55:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n22...@hotmail.com writes:

I remember seeing a Lancer at AWO during the EAA fly-in perhaps 99 or 2000

 

[CaptG...@aol.com]

Check the current FAA records--Doug

 

In a message dated 3/20/2014 12:17:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrpet...@msn.com writes:

Internet says King Salmon, AK 99613 for N22CL

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From: lkn...@ptialaska.net
To: aer...@westmont.edu
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 19:04:42 -0800

Subject: Re: [f-AA] Champion 402 Lancer

Just out of curiosity, where in Alaska is the owner?

 

From: Mark Peterson

Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:58 PM

To: The Fearless Aeronca Aviators

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Now there are two in the database in WA state.  One in eastern Washington which a sale might be reported and one who is owned by someone at Ocean Shores, a beach front community.  The Ocean Shores one is Serial Number 1, yes construction number 1.   It's not too far fetched to think that a retired person at Ocean Shores may have bought this one and left it up at Arlington.   The plot thickens.

This one pictured is serial Number 22.  Now owned by someone in Alaska, which could be the same issue as the Ocean Shores one.  Owning and storing are two different things.

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[CaptG...@aol.com]

That Lancer last registered in Okanogan, WA..But the registration ws cncelled 2-8-2013.

[Steve Lawlor]

A friend of mine has a 402 in Minnesota. Long term project....
Steve Lawlor

[Scott Johnson]

Just saw a project one on Barnstormers for 30k. Yikes. 

Sxott

[Steve Lawlor]

That's the one.  I agree, Yikes!
Steve

[Richard Murray]

FAA REGISTRY N-Number Inquiry Results

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N9955Y is Assigned

Data Updated each Federal Working Day at Midnight

Aircraft Description

Serial Number	402-11	Status	Valid
Manufacturer Name	CHAMPION	Certificate Issue Date	07/17/2013
Model	402	Expiration Date	07/31/2016
Type Aircraft	Fixed Wing Multi-Engine	Type Engine	Reciprocating
Pending Number Change	None	Dealer	No
Date Change Authorized	None	Mode S Code (base 8 / oct)	53364124
MFR Year	1963	Mode S Code (base 16 / hex)	ADE854
Type Registration	Corporation	Fractional Owner	NO

Registered Owner

Name	JUDD'S FLYING SERVICE LLC
Street	15258 110TH AVE
City	MILACA	State	MINNESOTA
County	MILLE LACS	Zip Code	56353-3856
Country	UNITED STATES

[Scott Johnson]

Yeah, that seemed to be pretty close to what I would expect for a finished airplane.

Like someone once told me, just because it's rare and old doesn't mean it's worth a bunch. Now an LC, that would be worth it!

Scott

[Louis and Sabrina]

Hey, Milaca.  I remember that place.  I camped there for a couple of nights when I made a little jaunt in the Sedan from Alaska to Minnesota  and back in 1988.

 

From: Richard Murray

Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 7:06 AM

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[Louis and Sabrina]

It’s not always easy to convince folks what a realistic price is for a project and it’s sad to see stuff that could be restored rot into the ground because of that. 

 

I see a Twin Navion project for sale on barnstormers for about half the price of the Lancer.  Also classic and unique and somewhat more useful as a multi-engine airplane when flyable.

!946 NAVION TWIN • $16,000 • HANGAR CLEANING SALE • This airplane belonged to my uncle who purchased it in 1994 and was restoring it until he passed away in 2012. So if anyone out there would like to continue with the process or is looking for parts for this aircraft, that is located in Nevada, please answerer this Ad. • Contact Paul Szlasa, Owner - located Kula, HI USA • Telephone: 808 419 8579 . • Posted March 22, 2014 • Display Specs Page • Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser • Recommend This Ad to a Friend • Email Advertiser • Save to Watchlist • Report This Ad • View Larger Pictures

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From: Scott Johnson

Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:24 AM

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Yeah, that seemed to be pretty close to what I would expect for a finished airplane.

 

Like someone once told me, just because it's rare and old doesn't mean it's worth a bunch. Now an LC, that would be worth it!

 

Scott

On Sunday, March 23, 2014, Steve Lawlor <9m...@stjoelive.com> wrote:

That's the one.  I agree, Yikes!
Steve

On 3/22/2014 5:26 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:

Just saw a project one on Barnstormers for 30k. Yikes. 

 

Sxott

On Saturday, March 22, 2014, Steve Lawlor <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','9m...@stjoelive.com');> wrote:

A friend of mine has a 402 in Minnesota. Long term project....
Steve Lawlor

On 3/19/2014 6:05 PM, CaptG...@aol.com wrote:

There was one at AWO back in the 1970's--saw it at an Texas  AAA flying.

 

In a message dated 3/19/2014 6:55:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n22...@hotmail.com writes:

I remember seeing a Lancer at AWO during the EAA fly-in perhaps 99 or 2000

 

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