Is there any blind pharmacist out there?

[Shui Yee]

Hi, my name is Shui Yee. I am from Malaysia. I became totally blind due to side effects of chemotherapy but I still persevere and completed my degree in Pharmacy. However I am at risk of losing my job because I could not meet their requirements. I just want to know if there are any blind pharmacist that can share their experiences with me so that I can see if there are any other options.

Another question is I want to do a Master program. But I know that it requires statistical analysis when doing a thesis. I just want to know how the blind people get the statistics software to work for them.
Any reply would be greatly appreatiated. I can be contacted at shu...@gmail.com. Thank you

regards:shuiyee

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[Bubba Bubba]

I so sorry that this happen to you! But in all honesty I would not
want a blind pharmercest filling my prescription or messing around
with my meds! I have enough problems withmeds without having a person
that is blind or unable to pass the pharmacy board or requirments with
out this as well! Just like I would not want a medical doctor
doctoring me that was blind! Even though he or she could do things
better then the seeing ! there is that problem you cannot see so there
is just so much you cannot do and that is a fact of life! Weather we
like it or not ! There is just some things we cannot ddo and have
limits to being blind. Wish you luck! JMO
Bubba

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[Gerald Levy]

Here in the US, I do not think a blind pharmacist would be able to be
certified to dispense medication because of legal issues. If a blind
pharmacist ever made a mistake and dispensed the wrong medication to a
patient, the pharmacist and pharmacy he worked for could be sued out of
existence. Sorry, Federationists,this is a fight you can't win. There is
simply no way a blind pharmacist , regardless of how much access technology
he uses, can be entrusted to dispense medications in a totally safe manner.
Of course, sighted pharmacists can make mistakes also, but the reality is
that the potential for errors would be much higher with a blind pharmacist.
I know this sounds harsh, but life isn't always fair.

Gerald

[David F]

This is a bit concerning. Maybe the blind guy can work at a Poison Control
type center where he'd not even count out pills or such.

I would say I'd consider a blind doctor as he or she couldn't be worse than
some of the sighted ones I have had. Granted, perhaps, they can't sew up a
cut, but they might pay more attention to symptoms, might try not to keep
you waiting, and might understand more your transportation issues. They
might be better at massage, chiropractic, acupuncture, too. Even
homeopathy--if that really works.

There are blind doctors out there, too. Tim Cardes. But I think what few
there are, are very smart, I suspect it will never be a common type thing.
You have to compensate too much for blindness. And you have to have a darn
good support network and a supportive medical school--not easy to find.

As to a pharmacist, I don't know what pharmacists do in today's pharmacy. I
suspect a traditional Chinese herbalist could still do his job, he'd know
the taste and smell of his herbs and could weigh them out. The Malaysian
did not specify his type pharmacy training.

Blind people can be librarians, too--there should be more a spirit of
exploration to determine if some jobs can be adapted and if others are truly
not doable by blind people. Seems though there is usually some blind person
out there doing whatever it was others thought could not be done--save maybe
for surgery.

I know I tried and took a big chance in getting a library degree, something
I no longer recommend though there are blind librarians, some who don't have
MLIS Degrees, but it seems more a "who-you-know" or "meeting the right
mentor" thing than get the degree and we'll hire you. Different states
differ too and I suspect unemployment figures range high in some places more
than others.

Sometimes, it's just luck. Sometimes, it's a blind person who was sighted
when he or she got the job and then lost sight and they did work-arounds and
reassigned job duties that a new hire would not be allowed to do.

[David F]

Sure is not fair, you are so right. Tell me, and sometimes blind people in
unusual jobs have that I got mine you go get yours attitude or their sighted
spouse runs help for them.

[Flor Lynch]

One thing that has struck me now and then is the different cultures, of
different countries, that blind people inhabit the world over; and with
them, the different cultural attitudes that exist in these cultures to
what we are and are not allowed/encouraged to do. We cannot routinely
expect or impose a first-world society set of values and priorities in a
developing-world country.

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[Chesterton]

Greetings,

At present I suspect the technology has yet to be invented that will enable
a blind person to be a pharmacist. I also suspect, however, that such
technology will exist. The trick is to live long enough to be able to enjoy
the myriad of changes that are bound to take place as time passes.

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[David F]

I agree, for instance, Japan puts the entire massage field aside for blind
people. I have a blind friend here in Louisiana who attended massage
school, and they acted like they were doing her a favor. Rehab wouldn't
even pay for her to go.

I hear in Norway and Sweden blind people have good pensions and their
benefits don't impact their getting insurance coverage. Wow.

I don't think America is number 1 in this regard. We aren't bad, but I
doubt number 1. There is too much organization disconnection.

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[David F]

I want to live long enough to see a time when blindness is nothing more than
a historic memory.

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[John Kolwick]

Hello, sorry for your loss and not being able to pursue your career.
Do you want to stay in your country or move? A place to check out is called
"career connect." It is sponsored by the American Foundation For The Blind.
www.afb.org/careerconnect This site provides information on careers and a
place to link up with others, good luck. Also, would you be eligible to
teach?


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Subject: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?

[David F]

Sometimes the mentors on that are good, sometimes, terrible. AFB seems not
to be concerned when the mentors are not very good.

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[Ana G]

Shui,

I apologize for all the negative comments people have posted on this list. We're all entitled to pursue our dream. One of the things I do for a living is work as a community/public sector interpreter, which involves going to lots of different places and working in many unsafe environments, like prisons and psychiatric crisis units with violent individuals. People told me this wasn't a job for the blind, yet with a lot of planning, I have done it, and many of the people I work around, including the security guards and other staff who thought I was a liability, respect my work and now treat me like anybody else.

I don't know any blind pharmacists. I'll ask around and forward whatever I find. What you can do is think about all the tasks you do at work, from the smallest to the largest, and ask yourself, "How can I do this without sight? do I need a different process? Do I need help? Do I need to make a special device so I can do this better?" Practice your ideas, and make changes to them.

for example, to be an interpreter, I needed to make sure I had a driver, so I got a retired family member to help me with that and I budgeted for payment. When I was working around security guards, I made sure I never got between the guard and the interviewee, and I was careful to move away slowly if things got dangerous. I have another job, teaching part-time. Now I hook my computer up to the smart panel in my classroom when I want to give my students examples or exercises to do in class, but fifteen years ago, when we didn't have smart panels, I taped the wire mesh used for window screens to a piece of poster board; then I clipped news print to that and wrote with wax crayons so I could feel what I was writing.

also, be prepared to describe what you do and what you need confidently. At this point, I've done enough teaching that people interview me over the phone and hire me after five minutes, but of course, when I show up, suddenly we need to have a big important meeting where I describe how I will do even the smallest task. I personally find these exercises to be humiliating and demoralizing, but I don't show it. I smile, and I explain, and I'm just the slightest bit condescending, not enough to get in trouble, but enough to let my interviewers know they're being ignorant.

In my life as a blind person, I've discovered that people have incredibly small imaginations. they know how they do things, but they can't imagine how other people do things or how it's even possible to do things differently. I've also discovered that, when I want to do something, I think about it until I figure it out. When I don't want to do something, my imagination fails me too. For instance, I don't smoke, and I'm not interested in smoking. I can't imagine how a blind person handles the live flame, the cigarette end, and the burrning butt. I would say it's not possible for blind people to smoke, but I know a lot who do, so obviously, I'm just not thinking about the problem hard enough.

Realistically, it'll take you a while to learn to do your job as a blind person and to figure out what aspects of your job you can and can't do. You might even lose a job or two in the process. but you need to ignore all the voices that say you can't or shouldn't because you know what you can do and you'll know how to do it.

Ana

[ptor...@gmail.com]

Ana,

 

That is so true what you say about sighted folks not being able to imagine how a blind person might perform a task that a sighted person can perform.

 

The example I give of this in my life is the following story.  As you may know, I have a Ph.D. in Physics and worked as a research scientist at Xerox for many years.  I jogged over 4 miles several times a week with colleagues at work.  Before Nancy and I got married I was living alone.  One day an older colleague and running buddy from work had a dinner date with a friend of mine and they wanted me to come along.  I found out later from the date that my colleague had expressed concern to his date about bringing me along: “How is he going to eat by himself?” .. and this was after knowing me as an independent, successful, and active colleague and friend!

 

As you say, I’ve generally found that if there is something you really want to do, you can figure out a way of doing it.  You may perform the task in a different way or require some accommodations, but there is usually a way.  Sometimes you might have to modify your goals slightly.  When I was in graduate school, I really wanted to do experimental physics and work in the lab.  After doing some experimental work and having some discussion with my advisor he said “Pete, I know you can probably do whatever you set your mind to, but just realize that if you do an experimental thesis it might take you a bit longer.”  Being the pragmatist that I am and not wanting to spend much more time in graduate school than I had to, I decided to pursue theoretical work.  When at Xerox, however, although I was doing theoretical / modeling work, I was always in the lab interacting with the experimentalists, interpreting experiments, designing experiments, etc.  So, that was how I scratched my itch of wanting to do experiments.

 

Also, since most sighted folks haven’t had much experience interacting with blind folks, I’ve found that it really is incumbent for the blind person to come up with the ideas and suggestions that will make them be successful.  At Xerox, they didn’t know how to accommodate me, but if I made suggestions and/or needed special equipment to do my job, they were always eager to do what they could.  After all, it is a win-win situation if the employee can be made to be effective and efficient by making a few changes or getting the right adaptive aids.

 

As a pharmacist one might not be able to count pills (although maybe there is a way if one REALLY wants to do it!), but I’m sure there are other aspects of the job or accommodations that can be made so that one can pursue their dreams in this field.

 

…AND, that is sort of the point of many of our Eyes On Success episodes!  Although I can certainly understand how a blind person can be a scientist, some of the other people we’ve interviewed truly amaze me.  I would never have thought of a blind person being able to hike the Appalachian Trail alone, drive a race car, work with power tools (coming up in a future show), etc.  But they do find a way.

 

One final note: Nancy often tells people that she thinks it is easier for a blind person to perform higher level tasks as opposed to the more menial tasks.  For example, it would be easier for me to work with a computer rather than with a cash register being a cashier or stocking shelves.  I’m sure either can be done if one really wants, but having a good education and/or specialized skills can really open up lots of doors and opportunities.

 

Anyway, sorry for such a long post.  We do try to keep traffic relatively light on this forum so that people don’t get overwhelmed with e-mail.  But I hope these thought are helpful to someone.

 

--Pete

 

 

From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ana G
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Shui,

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[Jose Tamayo]

Allow me to add to this as I consider all the points made on the list thus far.  Allow me a small anecdote before moving forward with my point about the blind pharmacist.

 

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When I joined Florida International University, I met a Professor of Mathematics and mentioned my desire to  complete the core requirements for a Computer Science Degree.  I am not sure there was a facial expression but I am sure something within this professor made it very difficult to understand why a blind person would want to do Mathematics.  This I know because there was a moment of awkward silence.  Later on, another professor, one whom I now trust very much, told me that Dr. Who (name not need not be mentioned), was skeptical and believed very strongly that I would not succeed with my blindness.  Believe me, it phased me not a bit.  Society can measure anything it wants to measure but your measurement of who you can be or cannot be is yours and yours alone.  Allow no one to measure your level of success or failure and look at yourself as the person in control.   Give yourself the opportunity to truly discover within you what is possible and allow no one to try to ascertain an opinion of your capabilities.  What you are is yours and no one else’s.  What you are is defined by how you conduct yourself.”

 

Now on to the Blind Pharmacist: I will tell you that fighting through ignorance is truly difficult.  In fact, my Stellar Astronomy  professor, Dr. Hollingsworth , of which class I passed, told me that he too was told he could not complete his PhD.  Then he said: “Well, I am here, am I not?” BTw: this is not the professor I mentioned above!

 

My Data Structures professor was not surprised  when I was taking his course in logic circuits and I came up with an  idea to understand how gates worked.  He saw it as it should have: another way to express the same information using a separate set of tools.

 

The ice cream man that comes by here every day has a device that is on his belt.  This device  separates his coins into Quarters, Nickels, Dimes, and Pennies.  He is sighted but does not need to look at the device to give change.  He has a tool that makes his job simpler.

 

We must build the tools, just as everyone else does, to make our jobs easier.  Does it matter that we are sighted or not or must we continue to label ourselves and separate ourselves from society by our own perceptions or other people’s perceptions. Pete is a great example here and did what he had to do at Xerox to accomplish  his goals.

 

If there are issues counting pills, then let’s find a way to make it simple to do.  Believe me, when you focus on solutions, the answer is right in front of you.  Nothing is difficult that we make difficult ourselves.

 

What about the Wright Brothers?  How did they envision flying?  I don’t know!  What I do know is that they envisioned it and took steps to manifest and make a vision their reality; and the reality for billions of travelers around the world today.

 

 

How did I move from being a shut-in to being  a contributing member  of society? By taking steps to do just what I wanted to do.  By the way, I passed my first math course at the university with a grade of A; I missed it by 2 percent, getting a 98 percent in the class.  How did I do it?  By leveraging the power that is there for all of us.  By empowering people and proving that it could be done.  I did it by bringing together a group of individuals who were more than willing to help but did not know I needed the help.  I went and asked and the help was provided in the areas I could not be effective on.  This is life and how it works.  You find people that can help you with your weakness just as every other person that realizes this phenomenon; leverage the resources that are there for you.  Get people excited about what you are doing.  Besides, your growth is far more than just beneficial for you.  Your growth enhances others around you.  Show people that by helping you succeed, they succeed too.

 

Thanks for reading my message.

Jose Tamayo

[Gerald Levy]

 

You don't get it.  A pharmacist is required to dispense medications accurately and precisely.  Human lives are at stake.  A patient can die from a medication error.  That's why no drug store, hospital or other pharmacy dispenser will ever hire a blind pharmacist in this country.  The attitude that just because it's a difficult job doesn't mean that a blind person can't perform it just doesn't cut it in this case.  There are no blind pharmacists in the US for the same reason that there are no blind brain surgeons, airline pilots or bus drivers.  Certain jobs require good sight and no amount of adaptive technology can ever replace a functioning pair of eyes, no matter what the NFB would like you to believe.

 

Gerald

 

 

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[Jose Tamayo]

Good afternoon,

 

We do get it, believe me.  We make life and death decisions every day.  You are correct that when I cross the street with my Service animal, I endanger many lives.  People can crash or, even worse, hit me and kill me.  Still, I take my dog every day outside and walk across busy intersections and move forward with my life.   People can also have an accident because of my mistake in crossing at the  wrong time but it happens that way.  Do I listen to folks that tell me it is dangerous to cross the streets while blind?  Absolutely yes I listen!  However, they won’t tell me that crossing is impossible for me or that it will never be done.  I will tell this: just give me time and I will get across.

 

The same thing happened with Mr. Armstrong who set foot on the Moon in 1969.  Lives were at stake and we took the plunge and decided to do it.  We made a decision to move forward  for the betterment of mankind.

 

You might find it interesting that your internet service may have been setup by a blind person.  Or perhaps the hardware your local hospital is using to do your MRI might have been designed by a blind person or even updated by a blind person.  You might also find that a sighted person showed up to fix a hardware device at your local hospital and that sighted person made the decision to rush out of the job.  You just never know what might happen, right?

 

What I do know is that, just as when I was sighted to now since I lost my sight, it simply won’t work that someone tells me lives are at stake to scare me off doing a job and doing it well.  Who knows what might happen.

 

What if, let’s say, one day in the near future, we are able to drive a car?  IS that a life and death situation?  Absolutely it is and that is why people are working very hard to ensure it can be done and it will be done safely.  Scientist rely every day on telescopes to discover the many wonders of our galaxies.  They do it because they are compelled to discovery.  IT is within our nature to be explorers whether blind or sighted.

 

Is it a life and death situation that blind people are working on mission critical systems all over the world today?  Absolutely yes.  Would an airline allow a pilot to fly without his experience and his hours?  Absolutely not in this environment of ignorance and mis information.  Would an airline allow a person to pilot a plane with no sight?  Not today but yes tomorrow.  Tomorrow when we have discovered that we don’t have limits and that our minds are the only ones that set our limits.

 

BY your declaring blind folks as incapable of certain things, I also declare that you may be limiting yourself to seeing beyond possibility.  You have limited your possibilities by simply saying no because of your perceptions.  I humbly suggest that you take some time to analyze your position.  While I don’t want you to change it for the sake of changing it, I would at least urge  you to consider the possibilities.  Christopher Columbus was a navotgator and trusted astronomer; yes, he was an astronomer too, by the standards at the time.  Did he allow others to limit his vision of what he thought was true? Absolutely not.  Did he navigate and fall off the side of the Earth into emptiness? History tells us that he thought he would hit the other side of the continent but found himself reaching the Americas.  He could see the horizon but see it differently than most people did at the time.  He was not the only one that saw the possibilities, believe me.

 

I do understand your point of view but disagree with the notion of limiting people by who and what they are.  I have worked on cars doing mechanical work, changing breaks, replacing components, and much much more: all life and death decisions.  Besides, driving a car that has faulty breaks is dangerous.  Why isn’t anyone stopping me from doing that?  While everyone thinks it can’t be done, it is done every day.  You really can’t stop progress by scaring people into thinking they are incapable my friend; not in this country and not in this day and age.  This is a country of progress  and limitless possibility.  This is the only place on Earth where one can say anything is possible if one is truly committed.

 

Take care and have a wonderful week.

[Ana G]

counting pills is often the job of a pharmacy tech, not a pharmacist, so we don't know what Shui's job duties are exactly.

If the job required counting pills, I can imagine a blind person doing it. Pharmacists choose medications based on their printed labels. If the containers are bar coded, as many are for inventory purposes, a blind pharmacist can read the labels using a bard code scanner. Pharmacists confirm the medication by looking at color, shape, and size. Blind pharmacists can confirm using shape, size, and texture. As an added safety measure (for insurance, yada-yada), the blind pharmacist can ask someone sighted to confirm it, something which takes all of 10 seconds. Labels are computer generated, so if the software that produces is accessible, the blind pharmacist can do that too.

So I do get your point. My point is that sight is not the only way to do most things.

[Bubba Bubba]

I don't care if he is counting pills or making up meds or what ever he
or she is doing with meds I don't want a blind person doing this. The
chance of mistake is much much greater and I like living! Weather we
like it or not there is things that the blind cannot do or never be
able to do or would anyone hire them to do it! JMO
Bubba

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

 

I can see a problem with being a pharmacist.  I don’t see any problem with acquiring the knowledge, but I see a major problem if you are asked to compound drugs.  These must be measured carefully, and I am not sure about scales to that fine a grade.  You’d have to have an assistant. I don’t know a lot about pharmacology, but that much I do know.

 

Ann P.

 

 

Ann K. Parsons

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Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT

 

 

From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ana G
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Shui,

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[Gerald Levy]

 

And bar code scanners and color identifiers can be inaccurate,so relying on technology to do the job of a working pair of eyes is a recipe for disaster.  You could make the argument that a blind person could pilot a 787 Dreamliner because it is equipped with the latest fly-by-wire technology that practically flies the plane itself with no human intervention.  But, of course, no airline will ever hire a blind pilot in our lifetime.  Nor will NYC Transit ever hire a blind train operator even though trains on the L line operate with minimal human intervention thanks to Computer Based Train Control (CBTC).  There are just certain jobs that a blind person can't do.

 

Gerald

 

 

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[Jake Joehl]

Can't agree more. I was actually having a similar discussion with someone who works with me. He is fully sighted and he graduated with a PhD. in organic chemistry. I sure wouldn't want someone with low or no vision manufacturing my meds. Of course my meds have already been manufactured, but you get my point.

Jake

Please visit me at http://www.samobile.net/users/jjoehl .

[Bubba]

So correct! To start with no one is going to hire a blind person to be a pharmacist and lots of other jobs. Also asking a coworker to stop what he is doing to help you do a job that should not require any help is not acceptable in the real world. JMO

 

 

Bubba

bubbat...@gmail.com

 

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Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 3:48 PM
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And bar code scanners and color identifiers can be inaccurate,so relying on technology to do the job of a working pair of eyes is a recipe for disaster.  You could make the argument that a blind person could pilot a 787 Dreamliner because it is equipped with the latest fly-by-wire technology that practically flies the plane itself with no human intervention.  But, of course, no airline will ever hire a blind pilot in our lifetime.  Nor will NYC Transit ever hire a blind train operator even though trains on the L line operate with minimal human intervention thanks to Computer Based Train Control (CBTC).  There are just certain jobs that a blind person can't do.

 

Gerald

 

 

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Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 3:03 PM

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counting pills is often the job of a pharmacy tech, not a pharmacist, so we don't know what Shui's job duties are exactly.

If the job required counting pills, I can imagine a blind person doing it. Pharmacists choose medications based on their printed labels. If the containers are bar coded, as many are for inventory purposes, a blind pharmacist can read the labels using a bard code scanner. Pharmacists confirm the medication by looking at color, shape, and size. Blind pharmacists can confirm using shape, size, and texture. As an added safety measure (for insurance, yada-yada), the blind pharmacist can ask someone sighted to confirm it, something which takes all of 10 seconds. Labels are computer generated, so if the software that produces is accessible, the blind pharmacist can do that too.

So I do get your point. My point is that sight is not the only way to do most things.

On 5/20/2013 11:29 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

You don't get it.  A pharmacist is required to dispense medications accurately and precisely.  Human lives are at stake.  A patient can die from a medication error.  That's why no drug store, hospital or other pharmacy dispenser will ever hire a blind pharmacist in this country.  The attitude that just because it's a difficult job doesn't mean that a blind person can't perform it just doesn't cut it in this case.  There are no blind pharmacists in the US for the same reason that there are no blind brain surgeons, airline pilots or bus drivers.  Certain jobs require good sight and no amount of adaptive technology can ever replace a functioning pair of eyes, no matter what the NFB would like you to believe.

 

 

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[Bubba]

Very correct!

 

 

Bubba

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[Jose Tamayo]

This is the first time, as a professional, that I have heard that people don’t need help when working in a professional environment.  I remember when I was a Director of Advanced Research and Information Technology, our most important directive was to work with folks and build a team with collaboration.  Every professional job I have been involved in has required  a level of collaboration.  Our company required two at every job when working overnight on downtime activities.  People were required to seek assistance when stuck on a problem.  It is a requirement of every professional job to be a team player and have the ability to work with others.  In fact, I am working on a team right now that has people in it at all levels and we all must ensure everyone is taken care of.  When someone asks for help, we are supposed to help.  We cannot turn them around and absolutely cannot tell them that they cannot seek help; it is a formula for failing in any job or endeavor.  If you cannot rely on your team, then you should not be working there to begin with.  I will refuse to work for an organization that fosters  lack of teamwork  and collaboration.

 

 

I enjoy it more when people collaborate.  When people act like they don’t need anything , teams break down and things take longer to  get done.  Teams create results, individuals create teams.

 

I think we are sadly taking the issue out of context.  Perhaps the question  is more about being indepenedent than asking  for help.  When you are independent, you are able to work effectively and you are able to seek help when needed.  Sadly, I find myself trying to defend a position or reality that, for the most part, some of our friends here don’t agree with.  I do believe that people of all levels need some sort of hand at some point in their lives.  Turning our backs on our natural instinct to help is far more destructive than constructive.

 

Respectfully,

Jose Tamayo

 

From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bubba

Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 7:18 PM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com

[Dave]

If you need to count pills, or anything that are of the same size and weight,  such as Nails, thumbtacks, Toothpicks, Nuts, Bolts,  What ever, is to just  weigh them.    There are Scales that are connected to a normal computer, and we all know that the computer can talk. 


Now just find a way to tell the difference between the Master Containers for those pills. 


Dave

[Dave]

Hi Gerald,

As a guy that once had only one burn in life, which was to fly Airplanes, after going blind, I have found that there are some jobs that are indeed off limits.    Flying Airplanes is one of them.  Although, I have flown Gliders, but I do understand the point you make. 

Going through Rehab, I never lacked motivation, but so many others, after going blind, it was like their desire to even live to the next week was in doubt.  Depression is the larger handicap.

And I too get a bit weary of the Ra Ra coming from the various Agencies for the Blind.   You can do anything you want to do is a bit far fetched, as I am not likely to land a job flying airplanes.  No matter how bad I may want to fly.    Even the Sighted have to pass some fairly high vision requirements.    I was speaking with one guy, who was an Airline pilot, that was kept from returning to his job after having both knees replaced. 

The reason was not because he could no longer fly the plane, but because he could not neel down to give C P R to a possible passenger health or injury incident.    There is more to flying airplanes than just strapping yourself into the seat, firing up the engines, and pushing the Throttles forward.   

but, I also understand why some of these agencies say what they say.  It is all about motivation, to give hope to someone that is hopeless, to possibly keep a Spark alive long enough to let someone over coming going blind, time enough to realize that while blindness is not all that fun, being blind is not the end of the world either.    Life is a Battle, and blindness can make that battle a bit more difficult, but i always root for the Under dog. 


Dave

[David F]

Wow, that is so impressive. 

 

From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ana G
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:03 PM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?

 

Shui,

let my interviewers know they're being ignorant.

--

[David F]

That is so cool.  But I’ll add also sometimes your college is not helpful.  Everyone I talked to about a library internship ran me in circles. Then later I developed health problems and have that strange sleep cycle some blind have.  There seems to be a small group of blind Ph.D. types out there, people such as Catherine Schneider, psychologist, you, the blind radio astronomer, who don’t need shouting consumer groups, but manage to live lives and accomplish huge things.  I guess I didn’t think enough and figure things out enough.

 

I like the shows.  I read about Bill Erwin, the Appalachian trail guy. 

[David F]

Right on.

 

Loyola had a blind math prof back years ago. 

[David F]

Anything is possible, but sometimes, you hit a stone wall with ideas.  And mentors are not around or they tell you it’s very hard and leave you stuck.  Sometimes, you have to pick a new dream when you have health issues, but I do like your ideas.  College should be a time for blind people to try anything –it should be the laboratory of the possible.

 

From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Tamayo

Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:02 PM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com

[David F]

I agree but don’t ask a sighted person for too much help, they soon become tired and annoyed.

 

I assume you translate Spanish.

 

Tenga buen suerte

 

From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ana G
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:03 PM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?

 

counting pills is often the job of a pharmacy tech, not a pharmacist, so we don't know what Shui's job duties are exactly.

--

[David F]

But how do we know what these "things" that blind cannot do? Seems we
think, oh a blind person can't do thus and such, and one appears doing it.
Though I realize it's often not repeatable. Sometimes, one goes blind
later, sometimes, one is a genius.

Sometimes, one lucks up and gets the right mentors and family, has good
health, and sometimes born in the right part of the country. LET ME ASSURE
you some parts of thecountry are advanced ore than others are.

I hope this is going out somewhere.

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From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com]

On Behalf Of Bubba Bubba
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:28 PM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?

[David F]

I think you are very fortunate to have a high-level brain job.

 

Once I worked as a medical transcriptionist and you better not need help. You better sit there and crank out those reports and don’t take breaks or anything. This for a major New Orleans clinic.  Yuck. I think the higher up in education and jobs you go, the more different it is, so I don’t blame blind people for dreaming big.  I think Peter’s wife, Nancy, is right, the high level things may be easier than the lower level ones. 

Interesting thread this is. 

[David F]

I agree, and what an interesting thread.

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

 

Poor Pete, we’ve taken over your list.  If you want us to stop the thread, just shout.

 

RE Pharmacology and the blind, I could see him working as a teacher.  I could see him working as a prescriber of homeopathic remedies, I could see him moving into acupuncture or into something like that.  There’s a guy in AZ who works as a homeopathic doctor.  Hmmm, shoes, shoes, Zapata, Richard I think.  That may be the route to go.  I’d tend to stay away from measuring drugs, but prescribing them at least the homeopathic ones, or going into Ayurvedic medicine, the East Indian kind, sure, why not?  See:  http://nccam.nih.gov/health/ayurveda/introduction.htm

 

Actually, if you do contact Mr. Zapata, he’d be an excellent guest choice.  He’s well spoken, has a great sense of humor and is quite personable.  I haven’t seen him on the net or talked with him in ages beyond count, but I think he’s still with us.

 

HTH,

Ann P.

 

 

Ann K. Parsons

Portal Tutoring

a...@portaltutoring.info

http://www.portaltutoring.info

"All that is gold does not glitter,

Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT

 

 

[Ann Parsons]

Oh, Woe,

 

I went searching for Richard Zapata because I got the nudge to check Google.  Unfortunately, Richard Paul Zapata will not be interviewed on EOS.  He’s left us!  He died in the spring of 2010, and that’s huccum I haven’t seen his name on the net for three years.  Oh, God rest him.  He would have been the perfect interviewee. 

 

I didn’t know him well, but enjoyed long conversations, interesting information and a true desire to share and to benefit others.  He will be truly missed.  Sorry, Pete and Nancy, wish I had better news.

 

Ann P.

 

 

Ann K. Parsons

Portal Tutoring

a...@portaltutoring.info

http://www.portaltutoring.info

"All that is gold does not glitter,

Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT

 

 

[David F]

Ann, how did you know him?  He sounded interesting.  Sometimes, we can do the same jobs as sighted people but in a different way, sometimes, we have to be out-of-the-box.  Sometimes, we have to move to a more enlightened place, sometimes, meet the right people. 

[Bubba]

Correct! But there is limits to everything! JMT

 

 

Bubba

bubbat...@gmail.com

[Bubba]

Yes, teaching as a professor would be very durable and the things you said  and much more . But doing things that you must have site or that might endanger the public no! If it was just him taking the risk it would be different! You also have the problem as well as someone hiring you! I just don’t see this happening in most cases!  I too like to say we can do most of the things as our counter seeing people can do and maybe better! But the big problem is someone giving you that chance! Most will not. That is why the unemployment in the blind community is around 90 or 95 percent! Not because we don’t want to work or don’t have the knowledge but we do not get the chance to work as they will not even consider us! JMT

 

 

Bubba

bubbat...@gmail.com

 

From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ann Parsons

Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:39 AM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com

[Bubba]

Yes that is true usually higher levels of things do tend to have to work together as a team. But if someone has to stop and help someone fairly often then it becomes a burden on the team or business! There is a different in team work and working as a team and not being able to do your job because of a handicap or whatever! If you cannot perform then you are a burden! Also there is that thing called liability and they do way this in jobs that especially could be dangers to the public and cause great lawsuits and harm to people. No you are not going to more than likely find someone to hire you as a pharmacist, or a medical surgeon or most medical doctors or an airline pilot or lots of other things that would endanger people life ! We have to be realist and understand we have limits just like everyone else and everything else! There is limits whether we like it or not! JMO

 

 

Bubba

bubbat...@gmail.com

[Bubba]

Ok, it is common sense! You know you cannot be a combat soldier or if you
was you would not be here on this earth long! You know you cannot be a brain
surgeon you know you cannot be a heart surgeon you know you cannot be a taxi
driver or bus driver You know you cannot be a race car driver or a back hoe
operator or a sharp shooter and the list goes on! Be real man we do have
limits! JMO


Bubba
bubbat...@gmail.com

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From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com]

On Behalf Of David F
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:41 AM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com

[Shui Yee]

Hi. Thanks for your concern and help. Does the website you link me with applies to non american? Its very diffficult for a blind person to survive in Malaysia. We are not allowed to have guard dogs because its primarily a muslim country with multiracial community. I am the minority,a chinese. Another minority is indians. I do wish to move away from my country, but who will take in a blind person?

Sent from my iPod

On May 20, 2013, at 11:54 PM, "John Kolwick" <john...@suddenlink.net> wrote:

> Hello, sorry for your loss and not being able to pursue your career. Do you want to stay in your country or move? A place to check out is called "career connect." It is sponsored by the American Foundation For The Blind. www.afb.org/careerconnect This site provides information on careers and a place to link up with others, good luck. Also, would you be eligible to teach?
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Shui Yee" <shu...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 6:11 AM
> To: <EyesOn...@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?

>
>> Hi, my name is Shui Yee. I am from Malaysia. I became totally blind due to side effects of chemotherapy but I still persevere and completed my degree in Pharmacy. However I am at risk of losing my job because I could not meet their requirements. I just want to know if there are any blind pharmacist that can share their experiences with me so that I can see if there are any other options.
>>
>> Another question is I want to do a Master program. But I know that it requires statistical analysis when doing a thesis. I just want to know how the blind people get the statistics software to work for them.
>> Any reply would be greatly appreatiated. I can be contacted at shu...@gmail.com. Thank you
>>
>> regards:shuiyee
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>

[From Jared The Cone Dog]

this is like  having a blind  dentist  , not 

I think  that is  one  of the jobs  that  a person who is blind  would  not  work  as  someone  who  comes in  to get  scripts  filled  and  seeing  a blind person , well  I would  go  to a different  store , as  taking  drugs  and  getting  the wrong  thing  as  if  you listen to some of the  drugs  names as  they  all  or well some of them sound  the same. 

 a medical  doctor  who  is blind  just  does  not work as  a local  doctor  got or  for  the better  developed  RP and  sold  his  practice  as  well as  a guy that  was a dentist .

 I  go to a dental  college  and the student  did not  make  it as  he developed  trimmers  in  his  hands , so  what  the  chance  of a person  who  is blind . 

yes  it is  great  to  have  goals  and dreams , but  there  are  jobs  that  will  never  be for the blind . 

 you  will need  to change  your life  long  goal  for a job , life  sucks  but  you  can not always  get  what  you  want.

not  everyone  is ment to be  a teacher , computer  geek , well the list  goes  on and on. Just  find  what  makes  you happy  as  your second  choice  maybe  what  will make  your  heart  sing, if you find  that one thing  it  will not  be a job  but  it will be a joy.

Terrie 

,Daily memo;

Handle  stress  like  a dog , if you can not  eat it, or play  with it , piss  on it and  walk  away! !

[Bubba]

I think yes there is tools out there and more and more is coming to help people and yes getting a doctor degree is not out of reach but then using it in certain medical areas is and always will be! Now getting a doctor degree such as just a PhD should not be out of the reach of anyone who has the will and want to get it. But we have to be real and know there is limits and there is things that we are not going to get hired to do! We are a very small population in a normal population . What is normal is this what the vast majority is and you are not!  So for example : if you are a seeing person living on a planet that the largest population is seeing people and you are not then you are the abnormal! Another example is if you are in a country or planet that eats roaches most of the time and you are one that don’t and think it is gross then you are in the abnormal population.  Thus normal is what everyone else is and you are not!

 

 

Bubba

bubbat...@gmail.com

[Bubba]

So correct and very well said!

 

 

Bubba

bubbat...@gmail.com

[Shui Yee]

Hi, Ana. Thank you for your positive reply after tons of negative ones. I admire your persistant attitude. I think you deserve a salute. Well because I can't see, they refuse to let me counsil the patient or deal with any drugs at all. I actually ask to be attached in the drug information department whereby I can answer questions given by doctors bia references or internet . But the pharmacy board in my country are very persistent about how I couldnt pass the training. I can't pass the training because they have things like Total parenteral nutrition which involves usign needle and packagin drugs in a room. Which are quite impossible for a blind person. Basically it is possible to put me in drug information department,but they just refuses to do so. I am actually considering doing a Master program in something that a blind person can do.Its just my love for pharmacy and my experience of being a patient myself I think i can relate a lot to those patient with cancer and also those suffering from eye conditions due to diabetes or renal failure. What I currently am doing is packing drugs to 30s ,60s so that they ccan dispence it at a faster rate. I just feel that I can do it but I'm just not even given a chance to try.

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On May 21, 2013, at 1:02 AM, Ana G <lot.o...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Shui,

I apologize for all the negative comments people have posted on this list. We're all entitled to pursue our dream. One of the things I do for a living is work as a community/public sector interpreter, which involves going to lots of different places and working in many unsafe environments, like prisons and psychiatric crisis units with violent individuals. People told me this wasn't a job for the blind, yet with a lot of planning, I have done it, and many of the people I work around, including the security guards and other staff who thought I was a liability, respect my work and now treat me like anybody else.

I don't know any blind pharmacists. I'll ask around and forward whatever I find. What you can do is think about all the tasks you do at work, from the smallest to the largest, and ask yourself, "How can I do this without sight? do I need a different process? Do I need help? Do I need to make a special device so I can do this better?" Practice your ideas, and make changes to them.

for example, to be an interpreter, I needed to make sure I had a driver, so I got a retired family member to help me with that and I budgeted for payment. When I was working around security guards, I made sure I never got between the guard and the interviewee, and I was careful to move away slowly if things got dangerous. I have another job, teaching part-time. Now I hook my computer up to the smart panel in my classroom when I want to give my students examples or exercises to do in class, but fifteen years ago, when we didn't have smart panels, I taped the wire mesh used for window screens to a piece of poster board; then I clipped news print to that and wrote with wax crayons so I could feel what I was writing.

also, be prepared to describe what you do and what you need confidently. At this point, I've done enough teaching that people interview me over the phone and hire me after five minutes, but of course, when I show up, suddenly we need to have a big important meeting where I describe how I will do even the smallest task. I personally find these exercises to be humiliating and demoralizing, but I don't show it. I smile, and I explain, and I'm just the slightest bit condescending, not enough to get in trouble, but enough to let my interviewers know they're being ignorant.

In my life as a blind person, I've discovered that people have incredibly small imaginations. they know how they do things, but they can't imagine how other people do things or how it's even possible to do things differently. I've also discovered that, when I want to do something, I think about it until I figure it out. When I don't want to do something, my imagination fails me too. For instance, I don't smoke, and I'm not interested in smoking. I can't imagine how a blind person handles the live flame, the cigarette end, and the burrning butt. I would say it's not possible for blind people to smoke, but I know a lot who do, so obviously, I'm just not thinking about the problem hard enough.

Realistically, it'll take you a while to learn to do your job as a blind person and to figure out what aspects of your job you can and can't do. You might even lose a job or two in the process. but you need to ignore all the voices that say you can't or shouldn't because you know what you can do and you'll know how to do it.

Ana

On 5/20/2013 3:11 AM, Shui Yee wrote:

Hi, my name is Shui Yee. I am from Malaysia. I became totally blind due to side effects of chemotherapy but I still persevere and completed my degree in Pharmacy. However I am at risk of losing my job because  I could not meet their requirements. I just want to know if there are any  blind pharmacist that can share their experiences with me so that I can see if there are any other options.

Another question is I want to do a Master program. But I know that it requires statistical analysis when doing a thesis. I just want to know how the blind people get the statistics software to work for them.
Any reply would be greatly appreatiated. I can be contacted at shu...@gmail.com. Thank you 

regards:shuiyee

Sent from my iPod

[Bubba]

Well you start the process like a lots of immigrants has and get the
permission to come to America and stay and become a citizen! It is not an
easy road for anyone who is an immigrant trying to come to America but it is
in reach of everyone. But you have to be willing to live where you are at
and know things might not be as good to start with but there is something
better at the end of this rainbow! I hope you can make it here and become
productive! Good luck.


Bubba
bubbat...@gmail.com

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From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com]

[David F]

Could you go to Singapore across the Straight? Chinese in the majority
there? Would a church help you, or a blindness organization?

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On Behalf Of Shui Yee
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:05 AM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com

[David F]

I think it’s partly who you know and luck

[David F]

Maybe NFB can help you, if they like you, they really go all out for you.

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On Behalf Of Bubba
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:21 AM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com

[Bubba]

No one is being negative they are being realist! This is the real world not make believe or some kind of fairy tale. I have been here on this planet for 55 years and been a seeing person up till the last 8 or 10 years and some of that low vision.  I myself in my life time have did auto mechanics construction work farm work  and lots of other things. I still can do most of it but it takes me much longer to do now! But could I get someone to hire me to do it ? No most places would not touch me!  So I do work but I work in a government job doing what I can. As the government is much more app to hire handicap people! I also like lots of sports like fishing and still do it . I like hunting but this is totally out . I like gardening and do it! I like wood working and making things with wood and I do this. I like working on me and my wife vehicle and do some of this! So no one is discouraging him just trying to be honest with him ! I would want someone to be honest with me and not dress it up in a bed of roses and then me find out to just be let down. Now if he can do it more power to him and then if he does it he can come back and tell us his story! JMO

 

 

Bubba

bubbat...@gmail.com

 

From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shui Yee
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:17 AM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?

 

Hi, Ana. Thank you for your positive reply after tons of negative ones. I admire your persistant attitude. I think you deserve a salute. Well because I can't see, they refuse to let me counsil the patient or deal with any drugs at all. I actually ask to be attached in the drug information department whereby I can answer questions given by doctors bia references or internet . But the pharmacy board in my country are very persistent about how I couldnt pass the training. I can't pass the training because they have things like Total parenteral nutrition which involves usign needle and packagin drugs in a room. Which are quite impossible for a blind person. Basically it is possible to put me in drug information department,but they just refuses to do so. I am actually considering doing a Master program in something that a blind person can do.Its just my love for pharmacy and my experience of being a patient myself I think i can relate a lot to those patient with cancer and also those suffering from eye conditions due to diabetes or renal failure. What I currently am doing is packing drugs to 30s ,60s so that they ccan dispence it at a faster rate. I just feel that I can do it but I'm just not even given a chance to try.

Sent from my iPod

[Shui Yee]

ddear Pete,

I've tried to negotiate but I am hired by the goverment of my country. And they consider blind people unappealing and should be hidden somewhere. I did suggest that they let me work in drug information area whereby I can find answers to doctor's enquirries about drugs and dosing. But they are relunctant to let me do so giving that the reason is I cannot pass their preregistered pharmacist requirements. In conclusion,they are unwillling to make any changes and are strict with their decision.I am just so lost because I spent 8 years to graduate because I was going in and out of chemotherapy and the side effects of the drug causes my vision to get worst. Now that I am completely blind, I am at lost of what to do. I am hanging nowhere and aimless in my life.

Sent from my iPod

On May 21, 2013, at 1:35 AM, <ptor...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ana,

 

That is so true what you say about sighted folks not being able to imagine how a blind person might perform a task that a sighted person can perform.

 

The example I give of this in my life is the following story.  As you may know, I have a Ph.D. in Physics and worked as a research scientist at Xerox for many years.  I jogged over 4 miles several times a week with colleagues at work.  Before Nancy and I got married I was living alone.  One day an older colleague and running buddy from work had a dinner date with a friend of mine and they wanted me to come along.  I found out later from the date that my colleague had expressed concern to his date about bringing me along: “How is he going to eat by himself?” .. and this was after knowing me as an independent, successful, and active colleague and friend!

 

As you say, I’ve generally found that if there is something you really want to do, you can figure out a way of doing it.  You may perform the task in a different way or require some accommodations, but there is usually a way.  Sometimes you might have to modify your goals slightly.  When I was in graduate school, I really wanted to do experimental physics and work in the lab.  After doing some experimental work and having some discussion with my advisor he said “Pete, I know you can probably do whatever you set your mind to, but just realize that if you do an experimental thesis it might take you a bit longer.”  Being the pragmatist that I am and not wanting to spend much more time in graduate school than I had to, I decided to pursue theoretical work.  When at Xerox, however, although I was doing theoretical / modeling work, I was always in the lab interacting with the experimentalists, interpreting experiments, designing experiments, etc.  So, that was how I scratched my itch of wanting to do experiments.

 

Also, since most sighted folks haven’t had much experience interacting with blind folks, I’ve found that it really is incumbent for the blind person to come up with the ideas and suggestions that will make them be successful.  At Xerox, they didn’t know how to accommodate me, but if I made suggestions and/or needed special equipment to do my job, they were always eager to do what they could.  After all, it is a win-win situation if the employee can be made to be effective and efficient by making a few changes or getting the right adaptive aids.

 

As a pharmacist one might not be able to count pills (although maybe there is a way if one REALLY wants to do it!), but I’m sure there are other aspects of the job or accommodations that can be made so that one can pursue their dreams in this field.

 

…AND, that is sort of the point of many of our Eyes On Success episodes!  Although I can certainly understand how a blind person can be a scientist, some of the other people we’ve interviewed truly amaze me.  I would never have thought of a blind person being able to hike the Appalachian Trail alone, drive a race car, work with power tools (coming up in a future show), etc.  But they do find a way.

 

One final note: Nancy often tells people that she thinks it is easier for a blind person to perform higher level tasks as opposed to the more menial tasks.  For example, it would be easier for me to work with a computer rather than with a cash register being a cashier or stocking shelves.  I’m sure either can be done if one really wants, but having a good education and/or specialized skills can really open up lots of doors and opportunities.

 

Anyway, sorry for such a long post.  We do try to keep traffic relatively light on this forum so that people don’t get overwhelmed with e-mail.  But I hope these thought are helpful to someone.

 

--Pete

 

 

From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ana G
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:03 PM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?

 

Shui,

[Jose Tamayo]

Anything is in reach of anyone with desire and hard work. Prepare yourself
and do what you need to do to get out of your situation. You will succeed
with just knowing exactly what you want and taking action steps to make it
happen.

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From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com]

On Behalf Of Bubba
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:21 AM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com

[Jose Tamayo]

You are correct that what you perceive yourself to be is what you will be.  To perceive something else, one must create internal change to help others see what you see.  We have been trained to think like we must act like everyone else  to be “Normal” but I say it is not that way.  Normal is what you are and who you choose to be and not what society tells you through stigma.

 

j

[David F]

What type government job do you do? At least they hire for government jobs where you live

 

From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bubba

Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:35 AM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com

[Shui Yee]

hi,

thanks for replying to my message. You are probably one of the few which gives me a positive feedback.the mojority are negative. Pharmacist job does not only include counting tablets. we don't count tablets anymore.I actually came out with other options but my goverment are unwilling to accept it.Its just so difficult when people refuses to see eye to eye with your suggestions.

Sent from my iPod

On May 21, 2013, at 2:22 AM, Jose Tamayo <jtb...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Allow me to add to this as I consider all the points made on the list thus far.  Allow me a small anecdote before moving forward with my point about the blind pharmacist.

 

“

When I joined Florida International University, I met a Professor of Mathematics and mentioned my desire to  complete the core requirements for a Computer Science Degree.  I am not sure there was a facial expression but I am sure something within this professor made it very difficult to understand why a blind person would want to do Mathematics.  This I know because there was a moment of awkward silence.  Later on, another professor, one whom I now trust very much, told me that Dr. Who (name not need not be mentioned), was skeptical and believed very strongly that I would not succeed with my blindness.  Believe me, it phased me not a bit.  Society can measure anything it wants to measure but your measurement of who you can be or cannot be is yours and yours alone.  Allow no one to measure your level of success or failure and look at yourself as the person in control.   Give yourself the opportunity to truly discover within you what is possible and allow no one to try to ascertain an opinion of your capabilities.  What you are is yours and no one else’s.  What you are is defined by how you conduct yourself.”

 

Now on to the Blind Pharmacist: I will tell you that fighting through ignorance is truly difficult.  In fact, my Stellar Astronomy  professor, Dr. Hollingsworth , of which class I passed, told me that he too was told he could not complete his PhD.  Then he said: “Well, I am here, am I not?” BTw: this is not the professor I mentioned above!

 

My Data Structures professor was not surprised  when I was taking his course in logic circuits and I came up with an  idea to understand how gates worked.  He saw it as it should have: another way to express the same information using a separate set of tools.

 

The ice cream man that comes by here every day has a device that is on his belt.  This device  separates his coins into Quarters, Nickels, Dimes, and Pennies.  He is sighted but does not need to look at the device to give change.  He has a tool that makes his job simpler.

 

We must build the tools, just as everyone else does, to make our jobs easier.  Does it matter that we are sighted or not or must we continue to label ourselves and separate ourselves from society by our own perceptions or other people’s perceptions. Pete is a great example here and did what he had to do at Xerox to accomplish  his goals.

 

If there are issues counting pills, then let’s find a way to make it simple to do.  Believe me, when you focus on solutions, the answer is right in front of you.  Nothing is difficult that we make difficult ourselves.

 

What about the Wright Brothers?  How did they envision flying?  I don’t know!  What I do know is that they envisioned it and took steps to manifest and make a vision their reality; and the reality for billions of travelers around the world today.

 

 

How did I move from being a shut-in to being  a contributing member  of society? By taking steps to do just what I wanted to do.  By the way, I passed my first math course at the university with a grade of A; I missed it by 2 percent, getting a 98 percent in the class.  How did I do it?  By leveraging the power that is there for all of us.  By empowering people and proving that it could be done.  I did it by bringing together a group of individuals who were more than willing to help but did not know I needed the help.  I went and asked and the help was provided in the areas I could not be effective on.  This is life and how it works.  You find people that can help you with your weakness just as every other person that realizes this phenomenon; leverage the resources that are there for you.  Get people excited about what you are doing.  Besides, your growth is far more than just beneficial for you.  Your growth enhances others around you.  Show people that by helping you succeed, they succeed too.

 

Thanks for reading my message.

Jose Tamayo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ptor...@gmail.com

Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:36 PM

To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?

 

Ana,

 

That is so true what you say about sighted folks not being able to imagine how a blind person might perform a task that a sighted person can perform.

 

The example I give of this in my life is the following story.  As you may know, I have a Ph.D. in Physics and worked as a research scientist at Xerox for many years.  I jogged over 4 miles several times a week with colleagues at work.  Before Nancy and I got married I was living alone.  One day an older colleague and running buddy from work had a dinner date with a friend of mine and they wanted me to come along.  I found out later from the date that my colleague had expressed concern to his date about bringing me along: “How is he going to eat by himself?” .. and this was after knowing me as an independent, successful, and active colleague and friend!

 

As you say, I’ve generally found that if there is something you really want to do, you can figure out a way of doing it.  You may perform the task in a different way or require some accommodations, but there is usually a way.  Sometimes you might have to modify your goals slightly.  When I was in graduate school, I really wanted to do experimental physics and work in the lab.  After doing some experimental work and having some discussion with my advisor he said “Pete, I know you can probably do whatever you set your mind to, but just realize that if you do an experimental thesis it might take you a bit longer.”  Being the pragmatist that I am and not wanting to spend much more time in graduate school than I had to, I decided to pursue theoretical work.  When at Xerox, however, although I was doing theoretical / modeling work, I was always in the lab interacting with the experimentalists, interpreting experiments, designing experiments, etc.  So, that was how I scratched my itch of wanting to do experiments.

 

Also, since most sighted folks haven’t had much experience interacting with blind folks, I’ve found that it really is incumbent for the blind person to come up with the ideas and suggestions that will make them be successful.  At Xerox, they didn’t know how to accommodate me, but if I made suggestions and/or needed special equipment to do my job, they were always eager to do what they could.  After all, it is a win-win situation if the employee can be made to be effective and efficient by making a few changes or getting the right adaptive aids.

 

As a pharmacist one might not be able to count pills (although maybe there is a way if one REALLY wants to do it!), but I’m sure there are other aspects of the job or accommodations that can be made so that one can pursue their dreams in this field.

 

…AND, that is sort of the point of many of our Eyes On Success episodes!  Although I can certainly understand how a blind person can be a scientist, some of the other people we’ve interviewed truly amaze me.  I would never have thought of a blind person being able to hike the Appalachian Trail alone, drive a race car, work with power tools (coming up in a future show), etc.  But they do find a way.

 

One final note: Nancy often tells people that she thinks it is easier for a blind person to perform higher level tasks as opposed to the more menial tasks.  For example, it would be easier for me to work with a computer rather than with a cash register being a cashier or stocking shelves.  I’m sure either can be done if one really wants, but having a good education and/or specialized skills can really open up lots of doors and opportunities.

 

Anyway, sorry for such a long post.  We do try to keep traffic relatively light on this forum so that people don’t get overwhelmed with e-mail.  But I hope these thought are helpful to someone.

 

--Pete

 

 

From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ana G

Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:03 PM

To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?

 

Shui,

[Bubba]

I work in a maintenance and construction department.  I do what I can now! I could do more but my big boss for some reason don’t want me doing it ! I don’t know if he is ashamed of me or just think it is too much a liability! But I have been in this job for 33 years now and in the drop which is working retired and will be coming out in August of 2015 of the drop and will be retired as of then as this will be my last working day ! I don’t know if they would have hired me if I was blind to start with but I was seeing very well 33 years ago!

 

 

Bubba

bubbat...@gmail.com

[Shui Yee]

hi. Thank you for your reply. Actually I found in the internet that there are blind pharmacist in america. One is even blind before he graduated. There are alot of branches for pharmacy. not only dispensing and counting pills. there are also drug information where we get calls from doctors and try to find answers to their enquiries. The problem is the pahrmacy board in malaysia does not even give me a chance to try. I read that the blind pharmacist in US actually works in the poison department takeing phone calls by the public and answering their enquiries about drugs. Do the people know that he's blind? I think once the people don't know that you are blind they see you differently. and once they found out you are blind the whole perspective changes.

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On May 21, 2013, at 2:29 AM, "Gerald Levy" <bwayl...@verizon.net> wrote:

 

You don't get it.  A pharmacist is required to dispense medications accurately and precisely.  Human lives are at stake.  A patient can die from a medication error.  That's why no drug store, hospital or other pharmacy dispenser will ever hire a blind pharmacist in this country.  The attitude that just because it's a difficult job doesn't mean that a blind person can't perform it just doesn't cut it in this case.  There are no blind pharmacists in the US for the same reason that there are no blind brain surgeons, airline pilots or bus drivers.  Certain jobs require good sight and no amount of adaptive technology can ever replace a functioning pair of eyes, no matter what the NFB would like you to believe.

 

Gerald

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ana G

To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:02 PM

Subject: Re: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?

[Bubba]

This is true I think there is areas in this profession that you could work in . Just not like most of us is thinking like dispensing out meds and such! What you are talking about is more or less behind the seams and most people might not even know you are blind!  Like I say wish you luck!

 

 

Bubba

bubbat...@gmail.com

[Shui Yee]

yes i agree with you.pharmacist don't count pills. my hospital is actually computerized.but my jaws can't really be compatible with the inranet of the hospital. I can read the precription but unable to link to the patient informations.they also said that me using the software its too slow for them.in pharmacy everything has to be very fast. You know how a blind person has to scroll line by line to read things on the desktop,but a sighted person can just glanced and see what information they need straight away.

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On May 21, 2013, at 3:03 AM, Ana G <lot.o...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

counting pills is often the job of a pharmacy tech, not a pharmacist, so we don't know what Shui's job duties are exactly.

If the job required counting pills, I can imagine a blind person doing it. Pharmacists choose medications based on their printed labels. If the containers are bar coded, as many are for inventory purposes, a blind pharmacist can read the labels using a bard code scanner. Pharmacists confirm the medication by looking at color, shape, and size. Blind pharmacists can confirm using shape, size, and texture. As an added safety measure (for insurance, yada-yada), the blind pharmacist can ask someone sighted to confirm it, something which takes all of 10 seconds. Labels are computer generated, so if the software that produces is accessible, the blind pharmacist can do that too.

So I do get your point. My point is that sight is not the only way to do most things.

On 5/20/2013 11:29 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

You don't get it.  A pharmacist is required to dispense medications accurately and precisely.  Human lives are at stake.  A patient can die from a medication error.  That's why no drug store, hospital or other pharmacy dispenser will ever hire a blind pharmacist in this country.  The attitude that just because it's a difficult job doesn't mean that a blind person can't perform it just doesn't cut it in this case.  There are no blind pharmacists in the US for the same reason that there are no blind brain surgeons, airline pilots or bus drivers.  Certain jobs require good sight and no amount of adaptive technology can ever replace a functioning pair of eyes, no matter what the NFB would like you to believe.

[Jake Joehl]

That's been my impression of the NFB too, or at least the organization as a
whole. Some of them it seems are a bit less die-hard. I'd tell you about the
time my brother and I were kicked off the IL-talk mailing list just for
bringing up a topic which turned out to be quite controversial, but I've
gotta get functional for my tutor who's coming in a couple hours. Those of
you who want to hear the story though email me off list and I will gladly
recount it.
Jake
Please visit me at http://www.samobile.net/users/jjoehl .

[Shui Yee]

I think Singaprore is very good place.but i don't think they willl take in blind people too. The thing is I don't know what i can do other than pharmacy. I only have a degree in that. Now that I am not allowerd to do this job,i am lost.I don't know where to go to anymore.

Sent from my iPod

[Shui Yee]

Please refer me as a her. I am a female. Females can be pharmacist too!Yes,i know i have to accept the truth. but pharmacy has a very wide scope.not only dealing with counting pills.

Sent from my iPod

[David F]

Sure, what happened

[Shui Yee]

I am just packig drugs in the pharmacy.so that the pharmacist can dispense it faster.but they are going to fire me because I cannot reach the requirements required for pharmacist. They give me this job to do but they judge me based on a pharmacist standard. So in the end I will be fired because I am not 'up to standard'. But i work very hard in what I'm doing, i never stop packing, and i pack so fast that the worker are impressed and they other pharmacist helper can stop packing and help with dispensing and thus the flow is faster in the pharmacy.

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[David F]

Do they not have a blind organization in your country?

[Bubba]

Ok, did not know but when I say him or her I usually mean it as universal not gender specific ! Yes  women can be lots of things! Just as good or better than men at something’s! Yes there is lots of area in pharmacy ! It is just most of the time we think of the man or woman behind the counter issuing out meds. JST

[Bubba]

Well, you have a college education there sure to be something to use that
education for. Example teacher , disability specialist writer or journalist
or something . After all you have at least 4 year degree if not more don't
you? So there got to be something! What do you like doing maybe for a living
other than being a pharmacist ?


Bubba
bubbat...@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com]

On Behalf Of David F
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:33 AM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com

[Shui Yee]

They do have a blind organization. but its not supported by the goverment. So they can't do much to help me.They are just eating up the money.corruption very serious in my country Most blind people in my country stay at home.a person can be blind and hide at home till their teens or twenties before being discovered.by then theeir future is already ruin. the awareness here is horrible too. Blind are treated like aliens,sttared at like some weirdo. Trust me i know it cuz i had prartial vision before and everywhere i go people stares. Guard dogs are also not allowed here.and the transportation,you don't know where a bus stop is.it stops anywhere it wants too..

Sent from my iPod

[Gerald Levy]

Does your country have any government agency that provides rehabilitation
services for blind and disabled citizens that you could approach for help?

Gerald

[Shui Yee]

its just that i spent so much time in order to graduate in pharmacy only to know that i cannot work in the field.it hurts that I'm not given a chance at all. Now i still have the packing job.perhaps when they fire me I'll hhave to find something else to do.I'm thinking of getting a masters program but I'm not sure of my interest.and i think im too old to be persueing more things.28 years old is very old.if i persue another degree i'll be so old.

Sent from my iPod

[Shui Yee]

yes, and they can't help me.one word corruption.:(

Sent from my iPod

[Bubba]

Hmm, this sounds like more of an inventory job not a pharmacist job. Maybe they should re classify your job description to stock or inventory person? Have you asked them this where you work at?

[Bubba]

28 years old is young ! Young person. Like I say maybe they can re classify
your job description to inventory or stock person ? This then would take you
out of the requirement loop and you could keep your job doing what you are
doing if you enjoy it! JST

[From Jared The Cone Dog]

well , I will play  the devils advocate here 

 when  you chose  to go to school  why  did  you not  talk to  the pharmacist in serveral locations   to ask if you went  to get  this  degree  if  you would  be  hired  with  the  disability , as  putting  in all that  time  and  not being able  to do  the  job , 

 could  you go on and  get  your  masters orPhD  in  your  field  and  teach , I do not know  what  your  grade  point  is , so  do not know  if  you could apply  to  a different countries  schools.

 To put all  that  time  into  this  and  not  comming away  with a job  is  too bad

 This  type of thing  does  happen  here as with   the job  market  is not  great  here  in the US, and the first  to go  is the people  at  the bottom of the list. 

With  the goverments introduction  of the new  medical  regulations  jobs  are  being  dropped  or programs  are  being  shut  down , serveral  hospitalsare letting  nurses  go , transportation  services , low  use  medical  clinics..

 If  people  that  have worked  in fields  for 8  or more  years  how the  hell  do we have a chance. 

you can talk the  talk and walk the  walk  but  if the jobs are not  there  you can not do a darn  thing , or  if you do  go for a job  and  we  cant  hire  you as  you are over  qualified for  that  entry  level job.

 we  just  need  to wait  till the  economy gets  better. .well  its   to bad  that  life  is that  way.

Terrie 

,Daily memo;

Handle  stress  like  a dog , if you can not  eat it, or play  with it , piss  on it and  walk  away! !

[From Jared The Cone Dog]

ook please tell me what happened

,Daily memo;
Handle stress like a dog , if you can not eat it, or play with it , piss on it and walk away! !

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

 

I got to know him because we both had a love of good Science Fiction and Fantasy books.  I think I met him on some list or other, I disremember now.  He was an interesting character.  As I say, he will be missed.  I don’t know why God seems to need the best people and draws them away from us at the most inopportune times!  No, don’t bother answering, folks, it’s the unanswerable question.

 

Ann P.

 

 

Ann K. Parsons

Portal Tutoring

a...@portaltutoring.info

http://www.portaltutoring.info

"All that is gold does not glitter,

Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT

 

 

From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David F
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:50 AM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?

 

Ann, how did you know him?  He sounded interesting.  Sometimes, we can do the same jobs as sighted people but in a different way, sometimes, we have to be out-of-the-box.  Sometimes, we have to move to a more enlightened place, sometimes, meet the right people. 

 

From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ann Parsons
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 5:48 AM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?

 

Oh, Woe,

 

I went searching for Richard Zapata because I got the nudge to check Google.  Unfortunately, Richard Paul Zapata will not be interviewed on EOS.  He’s left us!  He died in the spring of 2010, and that’s huccum I haven’t seen his name on the net for three years.  Oh, God rest him.  He would have been the perfect interviewee. 

 

I didn’t know him well, but enjoyed long conversations, interesting information and a true desire to share and to benefit others.  He will be truly missed.  Sorry, Pete and Nancy, wish I had better news.

 

Ann P.

 

 

Ann K. Parsons

Portal Tutoring

a...@portaltutoring.info

http://www.portaltutoring.info

"All that is gold does not glitter,

Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT

 

 

From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 3:48 PM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?

 

 

And bar code scanners and color identifiers can be inaccurate,so relying on technology to do the job of a working pair of eyes is a recipe for disaster.  You could make the argument that a blind person could pilot a 787 Dreamliner because it is equipped with the latest fly-by-wire technology that practically flies the plane itself with no human intervention.  But, of course, no airline will ever hire a blind pilot in our lifetime.  Nor will NYC Transit ever hire a blind train operator even though trains on the L line operate with minimal human intervention thanks to Computer Based Train Control (CBTC).  There are just certain jobs that a blind person can't do.

 

Gerald

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ana G

To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 3:03 PM

Subject: Re: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?

 

counting pills is often the job of a pharmacy tech, not a pharmacist, so we don't know what Shui's job duties are exactly.

If the job required counting pills, I can imagine a blind person doing it. Pharmacists choose medications based on their printed labels. If the containers are bar coded, as many are for inventory purposes, a blind pharmacist can read the labels using a bard code scanner. Pharmacists confirm the medication by looking at color, shape, and size. Blind pharmacists can confirm using shape, size, and texture. As an added safety measure (for insurance, yada-yada), the blind pharmacist can ask someone sighted to confirm it, something which takes all of 10 seconds. Labels are computer generated, so if the software that produces is accessible, the blind pharmacist can do that too.

So I do get your point. My point is that sight is not the only way to do most things.

On 5/20/2013 11:29 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

You don't get it.  A pharmacist is required to dispense medications accurately and precisely.  Human lives are at stake.  A patient can die from a medication error.  That's why no drug store, hospital or other pharmacy dispenser will ever hire a blind pharmacist in this country.  The attitude that just because it's a difficult job doesn't mean that a blind person can't perform it just doesn't cut it in this case.  There are no blind pharmacists in the US for the same reason that there are no blind brain surgeons, airline pilots or bus drivers.  Certain jobs require good sight and no amount of adaptive technology can ever replace a functioning pair of eyes, no matter what the NFB would like you to believe.

 

 

--

[Ana G]

Shui,

I do a lot of interpreting over-the-phone, and I handle a lot of calls
between patients and doctors, patients and nurses, and patients and
pharmacists. I can think of many examples of doctors and nurse
practicioners taking symptomologies and prescribing medications over the
phone, and I can also think of many examples of pharmacists arranging to
discuss changes in regimens with a patient's physician. So I think you
are planning wisely and choosing wisely.

It really does sound like your government isn't interested in
cooperating, a situation which sadly sometimes happens here too. Is it
possible for you to do your masters in the U.S., Canada, or UK, where
your chances of finding employment are higher? I know a blind
homeopathic physician who attended medical school and took her states
boards, so the testing part of the process is doable here.

On a more practical level, I don't know what pay is like for medical
professionals who work over the phone. As an interpreter, I make more
money for on-site appointments than I do for over-the-phone work. Most
of the pharmacists and many nurses work for call-center based
orgagnizations, but most of the physicians and nurses work for on-site
medical facilities. In some cases, I get the impression that they're
working from call centers, not the actual facility.

Ana

[Marsha Macchi]

Hi, Marsha here. In this era of computerization, pharmacists are now utilizing software to flag whether drugs are going to interact unfavorably with other drugs. For example, when I had my total hip replacement a doctor wanted to give me a huge milligram dose of morphine in my PCA (patient-controlled analgesia (pain) pump, it was a student pharmacist who advised against it, even going against his professor. It was to that professor's credit that he took another look at how I was reacting and advised the physician against giving me the higher dose as I would have been very out of it and unable to cooperate with the rehabilitation team. It is the knowledge gained along with the software that is more and more being utilized and the training that saves lives. The whole chain of command goes like this: The physician orders the drug, gives the order to the pharmacist, who can advise the physician not to give a particular drug to a given patient. It is known that pharmacists are often better at knowing about drugs and their interactions than the physicians themselves do. In many of the large hospitals the pharmacy technicians are the ones who actually measure out the pills and intravenous and intramuscular medications that are handed out. The pharmacy tech measures this stuff out under the direction of the pharmacist. So, in essence, the pharmacist is more and more becoming a knowledge-based profession rather than merely a counter of pills and measurer of liquid and injectable medicines. With this in mind, with the checks and balances that are more and more partof healthcare, I say why not a blind pharmacist.
Marsha

----- Original Message -----
From: Bubba <bubbat...@gmail.com>
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:15
Subject: RE: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?

>
>

> I think yes there is tools out there and more and more is coming to help
> people and yes getting a doctor degree is not out of reach but then using it
> in certain medical areas is and always will be! Now getting a doctor degree
> such as just a PhD should not be out of the reach of anyone who has the will
> and want to get it. But we have to be real and know there is limits and
> there is things that we are not going to get hired to do! We are a very
> small population in a normal population . What is normal is this what the
> vast majority is and you are not! So for example : if you are a seeing
> person living on a planet that the largest population is seeing people and
> you are not then you are the abnormal! Another example is if you are in a
> country or planet that eats roaches most of the time and you are one that
> don't and think it is gross then you are in the abnormal population. Thus
> normal is what everyone else is and you are not!
>
>
>
>
>
> Bubba
>

> <mailto:bubbat...@gmail.com> bubbat...@gmail.com

>
>
>
> From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of David F
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:30 AM
> To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?
>
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>

> Right on.
>
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> Loyola had a blind math prof back years ago.
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>
>

> From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Jose Tamayo
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:23 PM
> To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?
>
>
>

> Allow me to add to this as I consider all the points made on the list thus
> far. Allow me a small anecdote before moving forward with my point about
> the blind pharmacist.
>
>
>
> "
>
> When I joined Florida International University, I met a Professor of
> Mathematics and mentioned my desire to complete the core requirements for a
> Computer Science Degree. I am not sure there was a facial expression but I
> am sure something within this professor made it very difficult to understand
> why a blind person would want to do Mathematics. This I know because there
> was a moment of awkward silence. Later on, another professor, one whom I
> now trust very much, told me that Dr. Who (name not need not be mentioned),
> was skeptical and believed very strongly that I would not succeed with my

> blindness. Believe me, it phased me not a bit. Society can measure

> From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of ptor...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:36 PM
> To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?
>
>
>

> ..AND, that is sort of the point of many of our Eyes On Success episodes!

> Although I can certainly understand how a blind person can be a scientist,
> some of the other people we've interviewed truly amaze me. I would never
> have thought of a blind person being able to hike the Appalachian Trail
> alone, drive a race car, work with power tools (coming up in a future show),
> etc. But they do find a way.
>
>
>
> One final note: Nancy often tells people that she thinks it is easier for a
> blind person to perform higher level tasks as opposed to the more menial
> tasks. For example, it would be easier for me to work with a computer
> rather than with a cash register being a cashier or stocking shelves. I'm
> sure either can be done if one really wants, but having a good education
> and/or specialized skills can really open up lots of doors and
> opportunities.
>
>
>
> Anyway, sorry for such a long post. We do try to keep traffic relatively
> light on this forum so that people don't get overwhelmed with e-mail. But I
> hope these thought are helpful to someone.
>
>
>
> --Pete
>
>
>
>
>

> From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Ana G
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:03 PM
> To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?
>
>
>

> Hi, my name is Shui Yee. I am from Malaysia. I became totally blind due to
> side effects of chemotherapy but I still persevere and completed my degree
> in Pharmacy. However I am at risk of losing my job because I could not meet
> their requirements. I just want to know if there are any blind pharmacist
> that can share their experiences with me so that I can see if there are any
> other options.
>
> Another question is I want to do a Master program. But I know that it
> requires statistical analysis when doing a thesis. I just want to know how
> the blind people get the statistics software to work for them.
> Any reply would be greatly appreatiated. I can be contacted at
> shu...@gmail.com. Thank you
>
> regards:shuiyee
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
>
>
>

[Bubba]

Well, that might be true in larg drug stores but in small home town drug
stores that is not the case! Also I don't care if it is a tech or a pharmest
I don't want a blind person issuing my meds out! Or do I want a blind
medical doctor or a blind surgen doing surgery on me or do I want a blind
man driving me or lots of other things. Now for those that want this it is
fine to me don't care let them have at it but not me! JMO


Bubba
bubbat...@gmail.com

[Flor Lynch]

Canada is a very good country, if you find it too difficult to get into
the U.S. (Ever since 9/11, things haven't been the same for newcomers to
America.)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bubba" <bubbat...@gmail.com>
To: <EyesOn...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:21 PM
Subject: RE: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?

> Well you start the process like a lots of immigrants has and get the
> permission to come to America and stay and become a citizen! It is not
> an
> easy road for anyone who is an immigrant trying to come to America but
> it is
> in reach of everyone. But you have to be willing to live where you
> are at
> and know things might not be as good to start with but there is
> something
> better at the end of this rainbow! I hope you can make it here and
> become
> productive! Good luck.
>
>

> Bubba
> bubbat...@gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Shui Yee
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:05 AM
> To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?
>

>> Subject: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?

[Dave]

Hello,

Everyone has limitations, Men, Women, rich, Poor, Sighted and Blind. 

I think of how many women had the skills and ability to do more than they were ever allowed, by their boss, their husband, their family, Schools, a Employers. 

Everyone has to deal with this in one form or another.  All Men do not become President of the Company, all men do not follow a path with no resistance. 

Everyone suffers some kind of Discrimination, and I would guess that most of it is unmerited. 

Some experience more discrimination then others. 

Those who are Blind do have more obstacles to work around than someone with Sight.    this is why Blindness is labeled as a Handicap.    It is a Limitation. 

Now, if you want to be a Pharmacist, you have an Up Hill Battle.  You have gotten objections from other Blind people who would Scream Discrimination if they were in your shoes. 

I would ignore the Negative and continue searching for ways to do the job you wish to do. 

Any of the Blind members of this list could probably tell their own story of someone telling them they could not do something.  And some fought and found ways to get through the problem, and to succeed at what others said they could not. 

So, go for it.  Try not to get over whelmed with those that say NO.   I have told myself for years, Where there is a Will, there will be a Way. 

Dave

At 06:42 AM 5/21/2013, you wrote:

hi,
thanks for replying to my message. You are probably one of the few which gives me a positive feedback.the mojority are negative. Pharmacist job does not only include counting tablets. we don't count tablets anymore.I actually came out with other options but my goverment are unwilling to accept it.Its just so difficult when people refuses to see eye to eye with your suggestions.

Sent from my iPod

On May 21, 2013, at 2:22 AM, Jose Tamayo <jtb...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Allow me to add to this as I consider all the points made on the list thus far.  Allow me a small anecdote before moving forward with my point about the blind pharmacist.
 
“
When I joined Florida International University, I met a Professor of Mathematics and mentioned my desire to  complete the core requirements for a Computer Science Degree.  I am not sure there was a facial expression but I am sure something within this professor made it very difficult to understand why a blind person would want to do Mathematics.  This I know because there was a moment of awkward silence.  Later on, another professor, one whom I now trust very much, told me that Dr. Who (name not need not be mentioned), was skeptical and believed very strongly that I would not succeed with my blindness.  Believe me, it phased me not a bit.  Society can measure anything it wants to measure but your measurement of who you can be or cannot be is yours and yours alone.  Allow no one to measure your level of success or failure and look at yourself as the person in control.   Give yourself the opportunity to truly discover within you what is possible and allow no one to try to ascertain an opinion of your capabilities.  What you are is yours and no one else’s.  What you are is defined by how you conduct yourself.”
 
Now on to the Blind Pharmacist: I will tell you that fighting through ignorance is truly difficult.  In fact, my Stellar Astronomy  professor, Dr. Hollingsworth , of which class I passed, told me that he too was told he could not complete his PhD.  Then he said: “Well, I am here, am I not?” BTw: this is not the professor I mentioned above!
 
My Data Structures professor was not surprised  when I was taking his course in logic circuits and I came up with an  idea to understand how gates worked.  He saw it as it should have: another way to express the same information using a separate set of tools.
 
The ice cream man that comes by here every day has a device that is on his belt.  This device  separates his coins into Quarters, Nickels, Dimes, and Pennies.  He is sighted but does not need to look at the device to give change.  He has a tool that makes his job simpler.
 
We must build the tools, just as everyone else does, to make our jobs easier.  Does it matter that we are sighted or not or must we continue to label ourselves and separate ourselves from society by our own perceptions or other people’s perceptions. Pete is a great example here and did what he had to do at Xerox to accomplish  his goals.
 
If there are issues counting pills, then let’s find a way to make it simple to do.  Believe me, when you focus on solutions, the answer is right in front of you.  Nothing is difficult that we make difficult ourselves.
 
What about the Wright Brothers?  How did they envision flying?  I don’t know!  What I do know is that they envisioned it and took steps to manifest and make a vision their reality; and the reality for billions of travelers around the world today.
 
 
How did I move from being a shut-in to being  a contributing member  of society? By taking steps to do just what I wanted to do.  By the way, I passed my first math course at the university with a grade of A; I missed it by 2 percent, getting a 98 percent in the class.  How did I do it?  By leveraging the power that is there for all of us.  By empowering people and proving that it could be done.  I did it by bringing together a group of individuals who were more than willing to help but did not know I needed the help.  I went and asked and the help was provided in the areas I could not be effective on.  This is life and how it works.  You find people that can help you with your weakness just as every other person that realizes this phenomenon; leverage the resources that are there for you.  Get people excited about what you are doing.  Besides, your growth is far more than just beneficial for you.  Your growth enhances others around you.  Show people that by helping you succeed, they succeed too.
 
Thanks for reading my message.
Jose Tamayo
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [ mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ptor...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:36 PM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?
 

Ana,
 
That is so true what you say about sighted folks not being able to imagine how a blind person might perform a task that a sighted person can perform.
 
The example I give of this in my life is the following story.  As you may know, I have a Ph.D. in Physics and worked as a research scientist at Xerox for many years.  I jogged over 4 miles several times a week with colleagues at work.  Before Nancy and I got married I was living alone.  One day an older colleague and running buddy from work had a dinner date with a friend of mine and they wanted me to come along.  I found out later from the date that my colleague had expressed concern to his date about bringing me along: “How is he going to eat by himself?” .. and this was after knowing me as an independent, successful, and active colleague and friend!
 
As you say, I’ve generally found that if there is something you really want to do, you can figure out a way of doing it.  You may perform the task in a different way or require some accommodations, but there is usually a way.  Sometimes you might have to modify your goals slightly.  When I was in graduate school, I really wanted to do experimental physics and work in the lab.  After doing some experimental work and having some discussion with my advisor he said “Pete, I know you can probably do whatever you set your mind to, but just realize that if you do an experimental thesis it might take you a bit longer.”  Being the pragmatist that I am and not wanting to spend much more time in graduate school than I had to, I decided to pursue theoretical work.  When at Xerox, however, although I was doing theoretical / modeling work, I was always in the lab interacting with the experimentalists, interpreting experiments, designing experiments, etc.  So, that was how I scratched my itch of wanting to do experiments.
 
Also, since most sighted folks haven’t had much experience interacting with blind folks, I’ve found that it really is incumbent for the blind person to come up with the ideas and suggestions that will make them be successful.  At Xerox, they didn’t know how to accommodate me, but if I made suggestions and/or needed special equipment to do my job, they were always eager to do what they could.  After all, it is a win-win situation if the employee can be made to be effective and efficient by making a few changes or getting the right adaptive aids.
 
As a pharmacist one might not be able to count pills (although maybe there is a way if one REALLY wants to do it!), but I’m sure there are other aspects of the job or accommodations that can be made so that one can pursue their dreams in this field.
 

…AND, that is sort of the point of many of our Eyes On Success episodes!  Although I can certainly understand how a blind person can be a scientist, some of the other people we’ve interviewed truly amaze me.  I would never have thought of a blind person being able to hike the Appalachian Trail alone, drive a race car, work with power tools (coming up in a future show), etc.  But they do find a way.

 
One final note: Nancy often tells people that she thinks it is easier for a blind person to perform higher level tasks as opposed to the more menial tasks.  For example, it would be easier for me to work with a computer rather than with a cash register being a cashier or stocking shelves.  I’m sure either can be done if one really wants, but having a good education and/or specialized skills can really open up lots of doors and opportunities.
 
Anyway, sorry for such a long post.  We do try to keep traffic relatively light on this forum so that people don’t get overwhelmed with e-mail.  But I hope these thought are helpful to someone.
 
--Pete
 
 

From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [ mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ana G
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:03 PM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?
 

Shui,

I apologize for all the negative comments people have posted on this list. We're all entitled to pursue our dream. One of the things I do for a living is work as a community/public sector interpreter, which involves going to lots of different places and working in many unsafe environments, like prisons and psychiatric crisis units with violent individuals. People told me this wasn't a job for the blind, yet with a lot of planning, I have done it, and many of the people I work around, including the security guards and other staff who thought I was a liability, respect my work and now treat me like anybody else.

I don't know any blind pharmacists. I'll ask around and forward whatever I find. What you can do is think about all the tasks you do at work, from the smallest to the largest, and ask yourself, "How can I do this without sight? do I need a different process? Do I need help? Do I need to make a special device so I can do this better?" Practice your ideas, and make changes to them.

for example, to be an interpreter, I needed to make sure I had a driver, so I got a retired family member to help me with that and I budgeted for payment. When I was working around security guards, I made sure I never got between the guard and the interviewee, and I was careful to move away slowly if things got dangerous. I have another job, teaching part-time. Now I hook my computer up to the smart panel in my classroom when I want to give my students examples or exercises to do in class, but fifteen years ago, when we didn't have smart panels, I taped the wire mesh used for window screens to a piece of poster board; then I clipped news print to that and wrote with wax crayons so I could feel what I was writing.

also, be prepared to describe what you do and what you need confidently. At this point, I've done enough teaching that people interview me over the phone and hire me after five minutes, but of course, when I show up, suddenly we need to have a big important meeting where I describe how I will do even the smallest task. I personally find these exercises to be humiliating and demoralizing, but I don't show it. I smile, and I explain, and I'm just the slightest bit condescending, not enough to get in trouble, but enough to let my interviewers know they're being ignorant.

In my life as a blind person, I've discovered that people have incredibly small imaginations. they know how they do things, but they can't imagine how other people do things or how it's even possible to do things differently. I've also discovered that, when I want to do something, I think about it until I figure it out. When I don't want to do something, my imagination fails me too. For instance, I don't smoke, and I'm not interested in smoking. I can't imagine how a blind person handles the live flame, the cigarette end, and the burrning butt. I would say it's not possible for blind people to smoke, but I know a lot who do, so obviously, I'm just not thinking about the problem hard enough.

Realistically, it'll take you a while to learn to do your job as a blind person and to figure out what aspects of your job you can and can't do. You might even lose a job or two in the process. but you need to ignore all the voices that say you can't or shouldn't because you know what you can do and you'll know how to do it.

Ana

On 5/20/2013 3:11 AM, Shui Yee wrote:

[Dave]

Ah Yes, the Speed factor.  I needed to memorize a ton of Computer stuff in order to do my job fast enough.  In fact, in some aspects of my job, I am faster than my sighted co workers.  ha, and they come to me for quick answers and work arounds. 

but, when it comes to researching, and looking stuff up in a Data base, or  going On Line to find something, I am so slow compared to my Peers.   

My boss knows this and gives me the time to research, but if I was not fast in other areas, I would be gone. 

Dave

[David F]

Do you work in Florida at a call center for government information?

At least your boss lets you compensate like that. 

From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:EyesOn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:47 PM
To: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [EOS] Is there any blind pharmacist out there?

 

Ah Yes, the Speed factor.  I needed to memorize a ton of Computer stuff in order to do my job fast enough.  In fact, in some aspects of my job, I am faster than my sighted co workers.  ha, and they come to me for quick answers and work arounds. 

[Shelton, Robert O. (JSC-ER711)]

Sadly true. This is not the same country, or for that matter, the same world any more.
________________________________________
From: EyesOn...@googlegroups.com [EyesOn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch [flor...@iol.ie]
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:03 PM

[Dave]

No, I work for a small privet company in the Northwest. 

Dave

[Shui Yee]

my cGPA is 3.3 I was thinking of doing masters in counseling. Is that possible for the blind?Yes, I did ask if I will be fiven a job,they said you graduate first only talk. I guess they never expect that I can graduate.

Sent from my iPod

[Shui Yee]

Hi,
Thanks for your encouraging words. Thank you for understanding! Finally I have someone who understands! Yeah, my goverment is not very cooperative. Sigh, I wish I have the money to do my Masters in US. But one US dollars is 3.8 malaysian dollar. So its very expensive, only rich people staying here can afford studying overseas. I am looking for Masters in counseling locally. But I think even if I got my Masters, I probably will find it difficult to get job here. Life's like that isn't it.just have to get used to it.

regards:shuiyee

Sent from my iPod

[Shui Yee]

Hello. Thank you for your optimism and support. I really appreatiate it. However I don't think my country is so advance medically yet. And I'm old,not much years to wait on it.haha.Thanks for supporting it anyway.:p

Sent from my iPod

[Shui Yee]

Hi. Yes I heard canada is a very nice country. very cold too. But I doubt anyone would let a person, what more blind to enter their country? I'm a liability,not an asset.right?

Sent from my iPod

[Shui Yee]

Hi Dave. 

Thank you for your encouraging words! I can count the number of positive feedback with my fingers. My hope is drowning but I will persevere. Wish me luck!

regards:shui yee

Sent from my iPod

[Shui Yee]

Dear Dave,

You inspire me for your determination when working. I guess we blind people just have to work extra hard, yes, sometimes a blind can do a faster job. Like now I am packing drugs, I actually pack faster than a person with vision. Cuz a person with vision tends to look around,chit chat and not concentrate.

regards:shui yee

Sent from my iPod

[Shui Yee]

Hi, I am from malaysia. I know aat least they let me work. but I am at risk of getting fired anytime.

Sent from my iPod

[John Kolwick]

      Hello, yes it is possible.  As you have mentioned your country has issues with people with disabilities; you might want to check with various agencies who employee counselors or social workers just to find out how they would view this concept.  Do you know any other individuals in your country who are blind?  I have a masters degree in social work and have worked as a counselor/social worker for 34 years.  good luck

[Shui Yee]

Hi. I don't know much people who are blind in my country.Most of them hide at home and never want to come out. Blind Malaysians are view as  aliens. I can be walking with a white cane and a normal person approaching will reverse or change sides.they are so afraid of us, like we'll infect them with blindness. I guess the awareness in my country is very very poor regarding the blind community.

regards:shuiyee

Sent from my iPod

[Bubba]

Yes counseling is very much in your grip! I know of a school counsel that has a job as student counsel here in America in fact I know of a couple. I think Mark Taylor did an interview with one that was using a new app at that time called list recorder for the iPhone , to help in his job. See link below to the interview. It is mostly on the app and how he uses it but maybe Nancy and Peter would be able to get a hold of him and do an interview! But see link to this small interview with him below.

 

http://candleshoreblog.com/mark/podcasts/ListRecorder.mp3

 

 

 

Bubba

bubbat...@gmail.com

[Flor Lynch]

You could try going there as a graduate student, doing research for your
masters, that sort of thing. It's also hot in the summer, though it may
be quite short. <smile>. Plenty of nationalities in Toronto and in
Ontario Province.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shui Yee" <shu...@gmail.com>
To: <EyesOn...@googlegroups.com>

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Bubba, we hear you, but the important thing here is the young lady's
question. She is looking for a career. She is trying to solve a problem,
and we're hearing you, not her.

She says that in Malasia she is confronted by prejudice and resistence to
her desire to work in the field of pharmacology. My thought is to work with
her in order to find something that is fulfilling and that is also
practical. That's why I suggested looking into Ayurvedic medicine or into
herbology or to teach. I think she may find acceptance in one of those
fields. She could still help those with cancer and other diseases.

The dispensing of drugs is certainly impossible for one who is blind, but
the knowledge about how to dispense them is not. The knowledge about the
human body and what it needs to be healthy isn't limited to the sighted.
The knowledge to use massage and acupuncture and reflexsology isn't limited
to the sighted. Teaching others about pharmacology isn't limited to the
sighted. So, we've heard you. Now, could we hear from her, or at least
could you try to stretch your imagination to encompass somebody else's
problems?

Ann P.


Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
a...@portaltutoring.info
http://www.portaltutoring.info
"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT

[rana ayaz tricks network]

hellow all
i need any software
who convert any language text to audio mp3 with useing NVDA tts voice
because i want to convert urdu text to audio mp3
urdu is my national language
i m useing NVDA 13.1
for read and write urdu language
pleas any body send me this program who convert urdu text to audio mp3

[Rodney Roe]

I have no experience with this, but I found this link for urdu text to speechurdu text to mp3.
http://www.fileguru.com/apps/urdu_text_to_speechurdu_text_to_speech

I hope this helps.

On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 3:12 PM, rana ayaz tricks network <rana....@gmail.com> wrote:

hellow all
i need any software
who convert any language text to audio mp3 with useing NVDA tts voice
because i want to convert urdu text to audio mp3
urdu is my national language
i m useing NVDA 13.1
for read and write urdu language
pleas any body send me this program who convert urdu text to audio mp3

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