Water Thread Experiments
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MT
Jul 10, 2009, 1:15:49 AM7/10/09
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On the subject of the 'water thread' experiment where electrostatic
charges are built from flowing water:
The Wasserfadden Experiment (Water threads)
It's an excellent experiment and there may be great potential for
this, but unfortunately, it still relies on gravitational force to
produce results. The gravitational force of water has proven itself as
a viable means of generating power already - and functionally, vast
power can be had from this conventional technology. The electrostatic
model of the thread experiment (as in the Wimshurst generator) fails
to meet the criteria for a usable source of generated electricity.
But, Bill Beaty (he and I did extensive work on the "Hum" phenomenon)
wrote this:
-------------------------------------
WASSERFADDEN EXPERIMENT 1996 William
Beaty
(WATER-THREAD)
Two brimful glasses of water are placed adjacent to each other on an
insulating panel, and moved so their rims are nearly touching. A short
length of thread is wetted and placed so as to bridge across the rims
of
the glasses. A high voltage, low current power supply or
electrostatic
generator is connected to the water in the glasses, with one lead
going to
one glass, the other lead to the other.
When the power supply is turned on, the water is reported to flow
along
the thread. If the thread is short and very thin, the flow will carry
the
thread along. The thread will be entirely pumped into the ?
NEGATIVE??
glass, but the conductive bridge of water will not break when the
thread
has left it. A short thread of pure water will be left behind. If
the
high-voltage supply is disconnected, the water thread falls apart.
There
are reports that the water in the core of the thread flows in one
direction, while water in the surrounding shell flows opposite.
Is this real? I don't know, I haven't tried the experiment myself.
How
can electrostatic forces counteract surface tension and give a thread
of
water a stable existence? What determines the thickness of the water
thread? Could giant waterthreads be made by using a 100KV power
supply?
Why are there oppositely directed water flows in the thread? Does the
structure require surface contaminants? Can a larger thread be made
by
using larger currents? Will dye in the water show how the flow takes
place?
Charles Yost, editor of ELECTRIC SPACECRAFT JOURNAL, has apparently
discovered an atmospheric analog to the wasserfadden demo. In
exploring
spark discharges with a Schlerien optical system, he observed a
polished
spherical electrode which seemed to emit a narrow stream of charged
wind
when operated at high potential. The stream is visible in the
Schlerien
system as a thread apparently thinner than 1mm, and he has seen
threads as
long as ?5? cm. They transport charged air, as shown by microammeter
readings from a probe stuck into the air-threads.
-----------------------------
Great stuff here....I would like to explore this further!
MT
charges are built from flowing water:
The Wasserfadden Experiment (Water threads)
It's an excellent experiment and there may be great potential for
this, but unfortunately, it still relies on gravitational force to
produce results. The gravitational force of water has proven itself as
a viable means of generating power already - and functionally, vast
power can be had from this conventional technology. The electrostatic
model of the thread experiment (as in the Wimshurst generator) fails
to meet the criteria for a usable source of generated electricity.
But, Bill Beaty (he and I did extensive work on the "Hum" phenomenon)
wrote this:
-------------------------------------
WASSERFADDEN EXPERIMENT 1996 William
Beaty
(WATER-THREAD)
Two brimful glasses of water are placed adjacent to each other on an
insulating panel, and moved so their rims are nearly touching. A short
length of thread is wetted and placed so as to bridge across the rims
of
the glasses. A high voltage, low current power supply or
electrostatic
generator is connected to the water in the glasses, with one lead
going to
one glass, the other lead to the other.
When the power supply is turned on, the water is reported to flow
along
the thread. If the thread is short and very thin, the flow will carry
the
thread along. The thread will be entirely pumped into the ?
NEGATIVE??
glass, but the conductive bridge of water will not break when the
thread
has left it. A short thread of pure water will be left behind. If
the
high-voltage supply is disconnected, the water thread falls apart.
There
are reports that the water in the core of the thread flows in one
direction, while water in the surrounding shell flows opposite.
Is this real? I don't know, I haven't tried the experiment myself.
How
can electrostatic forces counteract surface tension and give a thread
of
water a stable existence? What determines the thickness of the water
thread? Could giant waterthreads be made by using a 100KV power
supply?
Why are there oppositely directed water flows in the thread? Does the
structure require surface contaminants? Can a larger thread be made
by
using larger currents? Will dye in the water show how the flow takes
place?
Charles Yost, editor of ELECTRIC SPACECRAFT JOURNAL, has apparently
discovered an atmospheric analog to the wasserfadden demo. In
exploring
spark discharges with a Schlerien optical system, he observed a
polished
spherical electrode which seemed to emit a narrow stream of charged
wind
when operated at high potential. The stream is visible in the
Schlerien
system as a thread apparently thinner than 1mm, and he has seen
threads as
long as ?5? cm. They transport charged air, as shown by microammeter
readings from a probe stuck into the air-threads.
-----------------------------
Great stuff here....I would like to explore this further!
MT
MT
Jul 10, 2009, 1:28:48 AM7/10/09
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wbeaty
Jul 12, 2009, 2:01:45 AM7/12/09
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MT
Jul 12, 2009, 2:59:00 AM7/12/09
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Damn, you're prolific, Bill. I'm especially intrigued with:
http://amasci.com/emotor/cap1.html
Fantastic work!
http://amasci.com/emotor/cap1.html
Fantastic work!
alche...@gmail.com
Jul 13, 2009, 2:04:52 AM7/13/09
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thanks for this Bill. Especially intrigued by your water model analogy
of the capacitor. My understanding of capacitors following working with
Dollard is that coils "store" (hope that's the right word) energy in
space, whereas capacitors store dielectric energy in counterspace...
look forward to some interesting discussions.
wbeaty
Jul 13, 2009, 3:53:26 AM7/13/09
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Simplified: a capacitor is what you get when you separate the
positives and negatives of matter, while an inductor happens when the
positives and negatives flow relative to each other. Capacitor is a
voltage without a current, while inductor is a current without a
voltage. But the *deep nature* of Faraday/Maxwell fields, that's
possibly open to debate. Do we only have Einstein's Vacuum
(Einstein's 'aether') which supports a virtual photon sea? Tesla was
hoping to find a DC aether-wind effect, and base an entire technology
upon it. If e-fields and b-fields are ripples, we should all be
playing with the smoke-ring version.
positives and negatives of matter, while an inductor happens when the
positives and negatives flow relative to each other. Capacitor is a
voltage without a current, while inductor is a current without a
voltage. But the *deep nature* of Faraday/Maxwell fields, that's
possibly open to debate. Do we only have Einstein's Vacuum
(Einstein's 'aether') which supports a virtual photon sea? Tesla was
hoping to find a DC aether-wind effect, and base an entire technology
upon it. If e-fields and b-fields are ripples, we should all be
playing with the smoke-ring version.
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