Voegelin's Christianity

[Frank Hesperado]

Did Eric Voegelin pray?

[Marco Andreacchio]

Brief follow-up to Frank's question...

Did V pray anymore than Jung or even, on a more mundane plane, Jordan Peterson pray?

Cheers.

Marco

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Did Eric Voegelin pray?

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[Victor Bruno]

I'd be amazed if Peterson prayed. I imagine he walks around with a Rubik cube, transforming it into an archetype of its own.

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[Marco Andreacchio]

Greetings Victor.  Peterson has plenty of talk about prayer on google.  He even shows himself praying quite emotionally.  

Cheers,

Marco

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[Frank Hesperado]

Thanks Marco & Victor.  I was wondering if Voegelin prayed at all in the conventional sense, or did he construe noetic "meditation" as equivalent to it?

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[Marco Andreacchio]

All would depend, Frank, on V's conception of God.  In a modern (voluntarist) context, the "conventional" God is primarily a will to submit to, if not to bribe ("please God do my bidding!"); substantively indistinguishable from Fortuna.

Prayer would then involve acceptance of the irrational, if only as means to self-empowerment (Faust-style), wherby "God" would stand symbolically as my super-ego, or the triumph of the will over all higher necessity.

The fundamental alternative would be Platonic in the sense pointed to by the expression, fides qaerit intellectum.  Was V a Platonist in this sense?  

Regards,

Marco

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[Marco Andreacchio]

Speaking of prayer, should all Christians pray to Mary?

Why Christians Should Pray to Mary

Why Christians Should Pray to Mary

Best wishes for the new year-

Marco

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