Ending The Pandemic?
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John Clark
Oct 29, 2020, 5:11:26 AM10/29/20
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The Vietnam war killed 58,220 Americans, as of today October 29, 2020 at 08:36 GMT COVID-19 has killed 233,137 americans, that's more than 4 times as many as Vietnam; during the last eight months the virus has killed more Americans than any eight month period in any of America's wars, even the Civil War. Yesterday there were 81,581 new cases of COVID-19, the largest one day number of infections ever. And yesterday the White House listed "Ending The COVID-19 Pandemic" as one of the major accomplishments of the Trump administration.
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Lawrence Crowell
Oct 29, 2020, 7:20:32 AM10/29/20
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This is not going to end. The cat is out of the bag, and it is a lot harder to get the cat back in. This is an endothelial disease that impacts tissue inside blood vessels. This over the coming years will result in a growth in congestive heart disease, renal and kidney failure, strokes, and COPD related disease. We have only started on this, and the long term impact of this will be of mammoth scale compared to what we have experienced.
LC
smitra
Oct 29, 2020, 9:24:12 AM10/29/20
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North Korean propaganda is a lot closer to the truth on this issue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YKN5MXP6NQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiYYXx_l9bY
Saibal
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Oct 29, 2020, 10:39:37 AM10/29/20
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There is a strong link with lifestyle factors here. The Western
lifestyle particularly the diet but also the lack of exercise makes us
very vulnerable. But, of course, the human body is not going to fail all
that easily, it's an extremely robust system. So, what happens is that
as we age, almost all of us get atherosclerosis, but most of us will not
get heart disease because of that. This has led to the flawed idea that
atherosclerosis is a normal part of the aging process, an idea that has
been debunked repeatedly in recent years. If you then have
atherosclerosis, you are more at risk of getting other problems due to
that and also due to the diet and exercise habits that led to that
atherosclerosis.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)30752-3/fulltext
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/17/tsimane-of-the-bolivian-amazon-have-worlds-healthiest-hearts-says-study
"A high carbohydrate diet of rice, plantain, manioc and corn, with a
small amount of wild game and fish – plus around six hours’ exercise
every day – has given the Tsimané people of the Bolivian Amazon the
healthiest hearts in the world."
This result confirms older results from the 1950s:
https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/41/5/1221/712631
"In the African population of Uganda coronary heart disease is almost
non-existent. This statement is confirmed by adequate necropsy
evidence1. In the Asian community, on the other hand, coronary heart
disease is a major problem. During the three years 1956–58 the Kampala
health department registered 102 male and 45 female deaths over 30 years
of age among Asians and of these 48 (44 male and 4 females) were
certified as due to coronary heart disease (“myocardial infarction”,
“coronary thrombosis”). Though the errors inherent in certification must
be borne in mind, it is noteworthy that 43% of male deaths and 9% female
deaths over 30 years of age were attributed to coronary heart disease."
The diet of the Africans was quite similar to that of the Tsimané
people: low fat no refined carbs. This means that the volume of food
they eat is a lot more than what most Western people are used to eating,
because the energy density of fat or refined carbs is huge compared to
the energy density of unrefined carbs. That much larger volume of food
contains lots of fiber, and also minerals vitamins and protein.
Thing is that you need to get used to eating such a diet gradually over
quite long period (months to years) before you can tolerate this sort of
a diet. The microbiome needs time to grow and your intestines also needs
to get used to the much larger volumes of food.
A lot of the modern medical research on diet is junk science due to
ignoring the obvious and whitewashing the Western diet. For example take
this whole debate about fat. A lot of good research shows that fat isn't
bad. There is nothing wrong with that conclusion. But the problems are
caused by not eating the about 100 grams of fiber like the Ugandans used
to do and the Tsimané are still doing today. The only way you are going
to get 100 grams of fiber per day into your stomach is if you eat large
volumes of unrefined foods, and that requires a low fat, low refined
carb diet.
Saibal
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lifestyle particularly the diet but also the lack of exercise makes us
very vulnerable. But, of course, the human body is not going to fail all
that easily, it's an extremely robust system. So, what happens is that
as we age, almost all of us get atherosclerosis, but most of us will not
get heart disease because of that. This has led to the flawed idea that
atherosclerosis is a normal part of the aging process, an idea that has
been debunked repeatedly in recent years. If you then have
atherosclerosis, you are more at risk of getting other problems due to
that and also due to the diet and exercise habits that led to that
atherosclerosis.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)30752-3/fulltext
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/17/tsimane-of-the-bolivian-amazon-have-worlds-healthiest-hearts-says-study
"A high carbohydrate diet of rice, plantain, manioc and corn, with a
small amount of wild game and fish – plus around six hours’ exercise
every day – has given the Tsimané people of the Bolivian Amazon the
healthiest hearts in the world."
This result confirms older results from the 1950s:
https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/41/5/1221/712631
"In the African population of Uganda coronary heart disease is almost
non-existent. This statement is confirmed by adequate necropsy
evidence1. In the Asian community, on the other hand, coronary heart
disease is a major problem. During the three years 1956–58 the Kampala
health department registered 102 male and 45 female deaths over 30 years
of age among Asians and of these 48 (44 male and 4 females) were
certified as due to coronary heart disease (“myocardial infarction”,
“coronary thrombosis”). Though the errors inherent in certification must
be borne in mind, it is noteworthy that 43% of male deaths and 9% female
deaths over 30 years of age were attributed to coronary heart disease."
The diet of the Africans was quite similar to that of the Tsimané
people: low fat no refined carbs. This means that the volume of food
they eat is a lot more than what most Western people are used to eating,
because the energy density of fat or refined carbs is huge compared to
the energy density of unrefined carbs. That much larger volume of food
contains lots of fiber, and also minerals vitamins and protein.
Thing is that you need to get used to eating such a diet gradually over
quite long period (months to years) before you can tolerate this sort of
a diet. The microbiome needs time to grow and your intestines also needs
to get used to the much larger volumes of food.
A lot of the modern medical research on diet is junk science due to
ignoring the obvious and whitewashing the Western diet. For example take
this whole debate about fat. A lot of good research shows that fat isn't
bad. There is nothing wrong with that conclusion. But the problems are
caused by not eating the about 100 grams of fiber like the Ugandans used
to do and the Tsimané are still doing today. The only way you are going
to get 100 grams of fiber per day into your stomach is if you eat large
volumes of unrefined foods, and that requires a low fat, low refined
carb diet.
Saibal
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Oct 30, 2020, 1:07:17 AM10/30/20
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As far as I can tell, he hasn't ended the pandemic because only medicine can end the pandemic, unless one believes in herd immunity? Biden has no secret plan to end the Vietnam War, er, pandemic, either because, it takes an improvement in medicine to end the pandemic. My thoughtless thought based on a few articles, is that this pandemic was ginned up by the biologists at some of the labs, some of which were criticized for carelessness by US biologists in a 2017 visit. I think we were not the target, but instead the protesting population of Hong Kong was the target. I suspect that this plague was let out too early (unperfected) out of carelessness by a lab worker who went to dine not at a 'wet' market, but at a fish market (I read). The disease would have decimated HK, and thus, would have given Xi and the PLA to takeover out of humanitarian reasons, etc. I have no evidence to provide and am lousy at sales, but this is my guess. Once, it got release Xi said ok, maybe it will level the economies so China comes out ahead? My guess.
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Oct 30, 2020, 1:13:48 AM10/30/20
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The sensible thing, since the virus has mutated, is to look at not only vaccines, but virus antagonists, where the infected patient does not succumb to the disease. If you don't die, and the endothelial cells are not damaged and the virus disaptes, then the death toll (duh!) drops hopefully to zero or near zero. This needs to be the goal whichever oligarch rules us peasants?
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Oct 30, 2020, 1:18:40 AM10/30/20
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So Smitra, are you accusing westerners of looking fat, I mean from the side? I worked with a guy from Chenai, (remotely) who contracted it, was given unspecified medicines and came out (apparently) undamaged. I never was nosy enough to ask what he was put on by his doctor. I do know two people who died from it and 1 had an underlying condition and the other didn't and neither were fat. Just relating.
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Oct 30, 2020, 8:15:09 AM10/30/20
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The following is premature but still noteworthy:
One can dream of such stuff. First vaccine goal is to stop the severe complications of the disease. What that paper hints at would already be second generation stuff; i.e. stopping the thing at mucosa level which is kind of its own environment, a degree removed from the bloodstream and thus the target of intramuscular administration of vaccines. One can dream a bit. PGC
John Clark
Oct 30, 2020, 8:22:54 AM10/30/20
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 10:39 AM smitra <smi...@zonnet.nl> wrote:
> There is a strong link with lifestyle factors here. The Western lifestyle particularly the diet but also the lack of exercise makes us very vulnerable.
And smoking. But by far the most dangerous lifestyle choice of all is the decision to vote for Donald Trump.
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smitra
Oct 30, 2020, 11:51:29 AM10/30/20
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Pretty much everyone in the civilized world eats an unhealthy diet. In
India many people are slim but many have a large amount of visceral body
fat, their body fat percentage can actually be higher than that of
overweight people.
A big problem is that the standard diet is considered to be the normal,
healthy diet, while we focus on what we call "junk food" and consider
that to be the problem when the standard diet is not healthy at all. In
the 1950s you could still do research in Uganda as many people there
were still eating a healthy low fat diet:
https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/41/5/1221/712631
And there were good hospital records in that British colony.
Today, because almost no one eats like that anymore in the civilized
World, you need to do research on indigenous populations in some remote
place, like in the Amazon rainforest:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)30752-3/fulltext
The problem is then that because there are no hospitals there, you can't
research hospital records and see if heart disease risks are
significantly lower there. But we now have mobile CT scanners and
research have brought these devices there and measured the amount of
arterial plaque in the coronary vessels and confirmed the old results
that heart disease is almost absent in those communities.
Saibal
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India many people are slim but many have a large amount of visceral body
fat, their body fat percentage can actually be higher than that of
overweight people.
A big problem is that the standard diet is considered to be the normal,
healthy diet, while we focus on what we call "junk food" and consider
that to be the problem when the standard diet is not healthy at all. In
the 1950s you could still do research in Uganda as many people there
were still eating a healthy low fat diet:
https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/41/5/1221/712631
And there were good hospital records in that British colony.
Today, because almost no one eats like that anymore in the civilized
World, you need to do research on indigenous populations in some remote
place, like in the Amazon rainforest:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)30752-3/fulltext
The problem is then that because there are no hospitals there, you can't
research hospital records and see if heart disease risks are
significantly lower there. But we now have mobile CT scanners and
research have brought these devices there and measured the amount of
arterial plaque in the coronary vessels and confirmed the old results
that heart disease is almost absent in those communities.
Saibal
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On 30-10-2020 13:22, John Clark wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 10:39 AM smitra <smi...@zonnet.nl> wrote:
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>> _> There is a strong link with lifestyle factors here. The Western
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 10:39 AM smitra <smi...@zonnet.nl> wrote:
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>> lifestyle particularly the diet but also the lack of exercise makes
>> us very vulnerable._
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> And smoking. But by far the most dangerous lifestyle choice of all is
> the decision to vote for Donald Trump.
>
> John K Clark
Indeed and Trump sticks to a junk food diet and has said quite a few
> And smoking. But by far the most dangerous lifestyle choice of all is
> the decision to vote for Donald Trump.
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> John K Clark
times that he doesn't think exercise is healthy.
Saibal
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