A paranormal prediction for the next year

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John Clark

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I just sent the following message to the Extropian list, as there has been
 
some discussion of psi on this list too I thought I'd sent it here also.
 
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Happy New Year all.

I predict that a paper reporting positive psi results will NOT appear in
 
Nature or Science in the next year. This may seem an outrageous
 
prediction, after all psi is hardly a rare phenomena, millions of
 
people with no training have managed to observe it, or claim they have.
 
And I am sure the good people at Nature and Science would want to
 
say something about this very important and obvious part of our natural
 
world if they could, but I predict they will be unable to find anything
 
interesting to say about it.
 
You might think my prediction is crazy, like saying a waitress with an
 
eight's grade education in Duluth Minnesota can regularly observe the
 
Higgs boson with no difficulty but the highly trained Physicists at CERN
 
in Switzerland cannot. Nevertheless I am confident my prediction is true
 
because my ghostly spirit guide Mohammad Duntoldme spoke to me
 
about it in a dream.
 
PS: I am also confident I can make this very same prediction one year from
 
today.

    John K Clark

Philip Benjamin

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Not only WAMP-the-Ingrate, the WHITE HOUSE, governments, businesses, many churches, synagogues, religious centers etc. are deep into occultism ( even in the past,  Russian Rasputin, Tzar Nicholas, Hitler, British Royals etc.)  References below. Trickeries of the real entities of darkness!

References. The Occult Connections of Hillary Clinton     

https://www.richardcassaro.com/prince-charles-publicly-reveals-the-secret-doctrine-of-the-occult/ 2016.    In September 2006, Prince Charles publicly revealed what can arguably be called “the Secret Doctrine of the Occult” in a 16-minute long, specially-videotaped address to the Sacred Web Conference at the University of Alberta, in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

https://redice.tv/news/the-british-occult-secret-service    

Queen Elizabeth I & Francis Walsingham

 https://redice.tv/news/the-british-occult-secret-service

Five Creepy Royal Family Facts  April 14, 2017 By: A.L.Cuin

10 Royals Who Dabbled in the Occult  by Lorna Wallace

https://theparanormalsite.com/the-occult-connections-of-hillary-clinton/                                      The Occult Connections of Hillary Clinton

https://www.truthandaction.org/hillary-clinton-referred-satanic-occult-high-priestess/   Hillary Clinton Referred to as Satanic, Occult High Priestess

 

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[Philip Benjamin]

     I remember a high elected member of the federal government who was very conservative with respect to classical norms and mores abruptly endorsing alternate lifestyle correct and normal when a close relative came out of the closet.

      The question here is, what makes modern paganism ( ancient heathenism) different from a rebirth or regeneration life and consequent culture or ethos. Physical BIRTH for a person is ONLY once. So also, REBIRTH is ONLY once by regeneration. Augustinian transformation is an example. Myriads of others can be cited—Abraham, Moses, Rabbi Saul of Tarsus etc. A transformation is reformation, but all reformations but not vice versa. That is a historical and historic difference with distinction.  WAMP the-Ingrate knows not!!

Philip Benjamin       

 

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Dear Philip ,

 

What a wonderfully useful link https://www.richardcassaro.com/prince-charles-publicly-reveals-the-secret-doctrine-of-the-occult/ 2016. Thank you

Being interested in the occult is not satanism

Lewis Carroll had a large library of occult books https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TmtPoxzoXo

Abraham Lincoln - Abraham Lincoln was clearly open to spiritual communication and the reason I say this is because he used the services of a medium called Nettie Colburn. Most of what Nettie achieved under trance conditions for him, could only have been achieved by there being very strong inter composer communication between the two of them. Furthermore both Abraham Lincoln and his wife were believers in the spiritual world and the power of mediums.
https://allaboutheaven.org/sources/lincoln-abraham/151/main

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I know little of the Church fathers am not sure of Paul of Tarsus (Tent maker for the Roman legions) was a Rabbi. But,He was for you guys, nevertheless, on his road to Tarsus! I did learn this year that most of the bishops were the sons of Roman senators who still inherited the manors after the Sack of Rome in 476 AD., It really expanded the Church origins for me. They made the structure of The Church identical to the fallen empire. For me it explained a lot of Europe's history, its religion, its class system, and so forth. Not to mention the Eastern Empire which continued for 9 centuries before it got absorbed into Islam. 1453 AD.


If the vast, amount of scientific research is conducted by Pagans-Atheists-Agnostics, and they generate the preponderance of the measurable data with, (repeatable experiments) what are you going to do? I suppose we shall wait for The Book of Revelations to finally play out, and The Hero to return to the stage to judge the living and the dead?

Do you think the new heaven and the new earth will be from this? 




To me, it sort of even looks like a Christmas Ornament, or a 70's disco ball. if one prefers? 

Remember the bumper sticker, WWJD? Promoting the idea of Jesus as a moral guide on human relations. (What Would Jesus Do?). I always thought it would be better in a theological fashion to change it to HWJSI, How Would Jesus Do It? The mechanics, the physics, the mechanism. It makes (for most I suspect) Word, Flesh. It makes it more real. Or at least less vague, less hand waving. This is why I am such big Frank Tipler fan, (Christian) and also a fan of roboticist, Hans Moravec. (Atheist). More recently, with Guilio Prisco (atheist and retired physicist). There are others, many of whom are simply writers on the topic. So, if you blame me for anything, it's cherry-picking scholars. 

I could throw in Lee Smolin, sort of, but I'll see if this email passes you by, or it garners a response.

 I do like the Dyson Spere thing (new heaven + earth). Plenty of physical room for lots of people, either as physical humans or as restored computer proggies? The Dyson Sphere is closer to Moravec's conception where "simulators" possibly made from super dense neutron star material (Moravec wrote) would Rez the dead. Tipler's Singularity is more profound emotionally, but a fantastically longer wait! Astronomers, using microwave receivers aimed at neutron stars have noted pasta patterns of crushed neutron star material. I wondered if somehow this could be analogous to the human brain? Are Neutron stars conscious? Blah Blah Blah...? 

Image result for Neutron Star Pasta


Happy New Year to All!
Cosmologically speaking that is.




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       . Nothing pertinent. What is relevant here is that occultism is paganism, pagans have been transformed without self-reformation. Moses was an adopted Egyptian murder prince, Saul of Tarsus qas a murder, pharisee Rabii, Augustine was a Greco-Roman pagan profligate. Nothing to do with unregenerated “conscious” states. And so many ordinary peoples besides.  

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         I know little of the Church fathers am not sure of Paul of Tarsus (Tent maker for the Roman legions) was a Rabbi. But,He was for you guys, nevertheless, on his road to Tarsus! I did learn this year that most of the bishops were the sons of Roman senators who still inherited the manors after the Sack of Rome in 476 AD., It really expanded the Church origins for me. They made the structure of The Church identical to the fallen empire. For me it explained a lot of Europe's history, its religion, its class system, and so forth. Not to mention the Eastern Empire which continued for 9 centuries before it got absorbed into Islam. 1453 AD.

 

 

If the vast, amount of scientific research is conducted by Pagans-Atheists-Agnostics, and they generate the preponderance of the measurable data with, (repeatable experiments) what are you going to do? I suppose we shall wait for The Book of Revelations to finally play out, and The Hero to return to the stage to judge the living and the dead?

Do you think the new heaven and the new earth will be from this? 

 

Happy New Year to All!

Cosmologically speaking that is.

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     I remember a high elected member of the federal government who was very conservative with respect to classical norms and mores abruptly endorsing alternate lifestyle correct and normal when a close relative came out of the closet.

      The question here is, what makes modern paganism ( ancient heathenism) different from a rebirth or regeneration life and consequent culture or ethos. Physical BIRTH for a person is ONLY once. So also, REBIRTH is ONLY once by regeneration. Augustinian transformation is an example. Myriads of others can be cited—Abraham, Moses, Rabbi Saul of Tarsus etc. A transformation is reformation, but all reformations but not vice versa. That is a historical and historic difference with distinction.  WAMP the-Ingrate knows not!!

Philip Benjamin       

 

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Ok, just to be clear you are indicating that pure, Christianity started with The Protestant Reformation? So, is Martin Luther the founder of The Church, or Henry the 8th, Calvin? John Knox? We still go back to the sciences which dictate to us, no matter what one's philosophical views are, it is what one can produce in real life? 

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[Philip Benjamin] These questions are irrelevant to WAMP-the-Ingrate!!                   

   Questions:

  1. Who, what where, how caused Reformation?  Established Church? Roman monks and clerics?  Atheists? Scientists? Greco-Roman pagans?
  2.  When, how,  where, why modern science began? What or who caused it?
  3.   What caused modern or colonial expeditions and investigations? Landlocked Islam that stopped all Western access to the Eastern trade and commerce? Or liberty and tolerance of alien cultures?

Philip Benjamin   

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My thinking is that after Christianity grew in the Roman Empire, and Constantine has his epiphany in battle, Christianity became the religion of empire. It (Christianity) also became Romanized, where the bishops were organized as the Roman empire government was structured. To the emperor, a bishop elected as Pope
                  To the Roman Senate -a College of Cardinals,
                   Etc., with bishops, prelates, priests, and brothers. 
In post Roman Europe manorialism became feudalism out of necessity, and slaves on Roman manors became serfs. Christian society was divided into a trinity of "Those who fight, those who pray, those who work." 

Here's a historic, stumble-upon I find intriguing. It may bore you to tears which means, each to their own Note, that it does mention Paul, since you're a fan. 


The ancient Greeks did science, so I feel they deserve full credit. I suspect India/Hindus did math for sure, but also did engineering. The Chinese were super duper with engineering, but despite their brilliance got ruined by who governed them. Is history repeating itself there? 


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The Mighty Ancients!

Abstract
The Earth is dotted with ancient ruins.The Quran asks us to take heed from these ruins, as those civilisations were ‘greater in strength and in impression on the land’. This study explores what the Quran states about the ancients, as well as lists the discoveries of ancient ruins. It is interesting to note that, contrary to popular belief, both point towards mighty civilisations which flourished in the ancient past.   


Full Text 
http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-mighty-ancients.html 

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On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 11:21 PM Samiya Illias <samiya...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The Quran asks us to [...blah blah blah]

Who gives a damn what the Quran asks us to do? The people who wrote it didn't even know where the sun went at night.

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Yeah, Samiya, it is surely possible an adventurous, trader would have reached the polar regions and there have been tales as you know of blond haired kuffar reaching Baghdad, Acre, Cairo, who spoke an unknown Kuffar language. So why not the other way? Muslim kingdoms were already established in Spain aka, Al Andalus. Nobody to stop a voyage out to the Atlantic. Past the Pillars of Hercules. There is an Irish Saint who sailed in a leather ship north of Ireland and encountered ice bergs (giant crystals floating in the sea!). I failed to locate a quote! Here is evidence of an Arab trader in northern Europe. 

Is Quaran and Soonah always correct as in accurate? For me, this is not my battle today. For me, all now are the Houses of War, and before this, we were all war makers. My feeling is not a holy man, but logic, where it is better to be a live warrior than a dead victim. Or, as American writer, Robert Heinlein wrote, "It is better to be a live lion than a dead duck." Do I see Heinlein as ever accurate? NO.

We must slog along as best we can. We'll see if we can make machines cleverer than us (better at discovering inventions, not conscious things-are they like Jinns??). Will they, it, try to kill us? 


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Naw, this ain't about John Clark, this is about considering an interesting idea.


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On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 4:44 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Naw, this ain't about John Clark, this is about considering an interesting idea.


If Everett's Many Worlds hypothesis is true then the reason our universe seems to be fine tuned for biological life is easily explained; by contrast the God hypothesis makes things even harder to explain because if the universe needs to be fine tuned for a lowly human to exist then it must be even more finely tuned for an omniscient omnipotent being to exist.  

> According to Hoyle, it may be factual? 

Fred Hoyle was a great astrophysicist and his book "The Black Cloud" is one of my favorite science fiction novels of all time, but his speculations about Evolution and biology were amateurish if not downright dumb. 
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Gamma Rays, Visible Light & The Electromagnetic Spectrum 



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If there's a God then human beings could exist miraculously in a universe that did not support their existence naturally.  Existing miraculously would be evidence for God's existence.  The universe does support their existence non-miraculously.  The same data can't be evidence for a proposition and it's contrary.  So our "fine-tuned" existence cannot count as evidence for God.

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There certainly have been people who have proposed non-traditional origins of God, aka, the first mind, the big mind, who don't necessarily bunk with Thomas Aquinas's views. Naturalist writers have proposed naturalist explanations for the Big Mind. 
20 years ago  

Some are physicists, some philosophers, some are both.







My only weak, point, is that if one holds The Creator as a Perfectionist, well, that all the more reason to be a happy atheist.

It's Ok, fine. I see no problem. I am good with the quote from The Buddha who wrote, "If you are traveling a path in the forest and The Buddha stands in your way, strike him down." In other words, if you have a better way than mine, don't let me stop you!

Possible meta goal of the Universe? Evolve species which ensure that entropy doesn't win by building machines, which then build better machines, which then manage entropy. Is this a top priority for this mailing-list? I'd say, lets back-burner it, at least until we get solar power and batteries up and running in most places in the world. First things first. 
Boltzmann brain - Wikipedia

Kudos to Ludwig.

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Sure. The flip side of this from critics of course, is that one has to create an infinity of universes to battle one God, and maybe not the fellow the ancients ascribed to being the Boss? The Black Cloud is interesting in the fact that Hoyle proposed a highly intelligent, not biological, non-planetary, life. This in itself could answer Fermi's Paradox, but you knew that. 

For the Anthropic Hypothesis, there are other flavors, and one is we are the section that creates the machinery which creates the machinery, which mends the threats to the universe? As George Carlin said of the Gaia hypothesis, "Maybe the earth didn't know how to make plastic, and it wanted plastic, so it made us?"




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> The Black Cloud is interesting in the fact that Hoyle proposed a highly intelligent, not biological, non-planetary, life. 

Yes.

> This in itself could answer Fermi's Paradox

How do you figure that? 
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Simply, the smart life in the cosmos is smart clouds perhaps forming a vast civ? The Life as We Don't Know it, rules. Not necessarily CO2+ H2O brewing up from a planets' chemistry. You said it yourself. Fred Hoyle's The Black Cloud. Yes. It did use radio waves to chat. So, closer to the 1977 WOW signal because planetary things don't use radio the way Mr. Black Cloud did.  
 


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> Simply, the smart life in the cosmos is smart clouds perhaps forming a vast civ?

I'm not fluent so it took me a while but eventually I figured that "civ" probably means "civilization" in the Spudeze language, if so that certainly doesn't explain why we have never seen the slightest hint of intelligence in the universe other than on this planet , and it doesn't explain why the universe has not been engineered and lets an astronomical number of photons to be radiated uselessly into space instead of being used to power calculations and enhance consciousness. Human beings seem smart enough to get the ball rolling on the way to producing something they can fundamentally change the nature of the cosmos given enough time, and Fred Hoyle's Black Cloud is supposed to be enormously smarter than even the smartest human being so I see no reason why it couldn't do it even faster,

> You said it yourself. Fred Hoyle's The Black Cloud. Yes. It did use radio waves to chat. So, closer to the 1977 WOW signal because planetary things don't use radio the way Mr. Black Cloud did.  

I don't know what you mean by that, Mr. Black Cloud  made use of electromagnetic waves just as we do. In fact unlike us the black cloud uses radio waves in the operation of its very brain, and yet even our most sensitive radio telescopes have never heard a peep from them. And the "wow signal" does not impress me.   

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Well recalling the novella (1957) the predicament was as you have known for years is that Black Cloud needed sunlight to nosh on. What BC didn't know that you, JC already know, was that life was capable of producing life and after an introduction, moved his cloudy ass out of earth's light zone. Call it a learning experience. 

Black Cloud could be the equivalent of our Boltzmann Brain (whom I sacrifice goats to appease!), and smart as one, though never as powerful, since BB can dream up a universe, and cloudy just does his interstellar jaunt looking for other clouds to mate with (I guess?).  

Yes, Civ is civilization for stenographic purposes.

Now, why the hell would you believe an interstellar smart entity like BC would jabber away or even do broadcasts or narrowcasts just like us??? My guess it'd be looking for meetups somewhere in the Clouds of Magellan, and, "see ya in 7.4 million earth years, save a dark matter seat for me!"  To Cloudy, we'd be sub-sub-microscopic radio propagators and not what The Cloud is used to BS-ing with. 


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