Thresholds of intelligence

[Mindey I.]

A while ago, I had entertained the idea of "list of ideas hardest to grasp" (halfbakery.com) that would define new thresholds for intelligence, a bit like that existing between humans and animals: ideas that a human would likely never in their lifetime understand, just like a dog would likely never understand how a light bulb works.

Today, the time has come when AI can be used to try to explore such ideas, such lists.

And so, I tried, and it resulted in claims of facts some of which were not immediately obvious to me, but upon closer investigation appears to check out, such as:

• "Events do not occur or exist; only the absence of specific events exists and structures all reality."

• "Logic is not a method of reasoning; it is a physical substance permeating reality that can be condensed, distilled, or destroyed."

• "Existence is fundamentally impossible; what appears to exist is merely a persistent symmetry-breaking of impossibility."

• "Numbers are physically real beings with independent agency that intentionally regulate relationships between what humans call objects."

• "Observation does not reduce uncertainty; rather, uncertainty itself observes events into definite states."

• "Information does not convey meaning; it consumes meaning as a resource to maintain its own stability."

• "Space is not dimensional; it is purely emotional, and distance is measured only by changes in emotional states."

• "Identity is not a persistent feature of reality but an infectious conceptual contagion spreading across unrelated structures."

• "Time never passes; it grows continuously outward in every direction simultaneously, filling reality rather than flowing through it."

• "Cause and effect are illusions; reality consists entirely of unrelated patterns imitating relationships without genuine connection."

I'm going to try to formalize them later, but here is my experiment:

https://chatgpt.com/share/67d686e8-3174-800e-b652-8c5d2b145294

I wonder, what would you discover, if you were to entertain the idea of searching for facts about the nature of reality, that are as inexplicable to humans, as the fact how a light bulb, or a computer screen works is inexplicable to dogs? Where could our understanding of the universe and capabilities lead to? What new science could we discover?

Mindey

[Cosmin Visan]

Consciousness is all there is.

[Brent Meeker]

Does it count as intelligence to understand a statement that is word salad?

Brent

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I formalize Both Tononi, (IIT) as well as Penrose's Cosmospsychism (physics) as most workable. As capture by this 8 year old paper. more or less. Its basically just a summary. 

https://www.academia.edu/117282907/On_the_possible_quantum_nature_of_consciousness_and_psyche_English_version_?email_work_card=title

But that's jus my best match-up. Emotions-Space entangled? Eh, maybe? 

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[Mindey I.]

    "Does it count as intelligence to understand a statement that is word salad?"

Not to belittle entities that understand world salad, course it does.

Understanding anything (as a mental act) requires intelligence.

2025年3月17日月曜日 0:15:57 UTC Brent Meeker: