Re: Q Anon is the tip of the iceberg
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The political and economic actions of the progressives and their corporate funders, will seemingly push America, to a split. But we will have to live through it to believe it. Keep one's eyes on the economy for this possibility, and avoid side issues like illegal immigration, although, compelling to both sides. Eyes on inflation & unemployment. The winners of such a split will never go to the best and the brightest, to quote Halberstam, but to the most resourceful. No, the two elements of this do not conote, although logically they ought to.
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 Lawrence Crowell <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
About every century some regions of the world enters into a sort of mass-psychosis. Last century it was Russia, Italy, Japan and the crowing evil in Nazi Germany. In college I took a general studies course in anthropology, where it was noted that about every 3 to 4 generation tribes of people would become more gregarious. We seem to be on queue for the next big tango, and we Americans are getting poised to be the big crazies this time. Since the industrial revolution the body count with these has multiplied by a factor of 10. We also have the tools to make this next tango the last tango.
Why is t’Rump so hated? The converse question might be asked about why is Don-the-Con t’Rump the object of cultish worship? It is eerily similar to the fawning over Mussolini and Hitler in the last century. Don-the-Con is also the most intellectually banal president the country ever had. He is also a moral reprobate. Jeremy Epstein, who t’Rump called “one hell of a guy,” was a pimp to wealthy men. He provided wealthy client with women for sex at a high price. Epstein and t’Rump had tape-a-thon [I meant rape-a-thon] parties with women, and even girls 13 or 14 years of age. T’Rump also displayed a shallow understanding or withering ignorance on everything from science and medicine to economics and diplomacy. Remember his idea of consuming or mainlining bleach to combat Covid? He also showed little incentive or ability to learn anything.
While I am at it; I really wish this list, which is supposed to be about science or physics, would not be rubbished up by Spudboy and Ben “Medinuclear.” In particular Ben posts the same garbage over and over, where I frankly do not give a damned about pagans vs non-pagans or quasi-philoso-theology over Augustine. That stuff is such crap. Please, I am sure there are plenty of other places for that nonsense.
LCOn Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 5:08:31 PM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote:[Bruno Marchal]
I think Trump is a symptom, not a cause
[Philip Benjamin]
Symptom of what? What exactly are the reasons why he is so hated? Personal? Official?
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On 25 Feb 2021, at 13:03, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.net> wrote:
Am Do, 25. Feb 2021, um 10:55, schrieb Bruno Marchal:
On 24 Feb 2021, at 15:30, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.net> wrote:
As an outside observer, I can't help but notice the following pattern in American politics: every presidential election is now seen as a civilization-threatening event, where each side believes that the other side is literally pure evil in its crystalized form, and that if they win, life as we know it will be over. We have now been through several iterations of this, and the reality is that nothing ever seems to happen, one way or the other.
I think that before Trump, most Dems and Rep saw themselves as adversary, but not as enemy. Only with Trump, the adversary has become a scapegoat, an enemy, the responsible of all wrongs. Trump does not seem to be able to dialog, not even with its close accomplices. Trump is the worst enemy of … Trump. I think that his case is close to being pathological.
I agree, but I think Trump is a symptom, not a cause.
Certainly. But Trump is a sort of extreme symptom. Almost a caricature. But you are right, and this is exemplified by the fact that it keeps, apparently, his seduction power on the Republicans, even after those last month where he showed how much a bad looser he can be.
There is also Boris Johnson, who is Britain's Trump, Bolsonaro, who is Brazil's Trump, etc.
Maybe for Bolsonaro. But Boris Johnson is not comparable to Trump. I did fear that he could be like Trump, but he is not. Johnson is not an enemy of democracy. Trump is. That’s what I feel, or smell… I might be wrong, but Johnson has reassured me on that key point.
The other Trump in power are more like Kim Young Un, ABS (Saudi), Erdogan, and Putin...
With the mainstream adoption of the Internet, in the early 2000s, political campaigns were reinvented (data-driven, highly targeted like advertisement). The early examples of this appear to be Tony Blair's second campaign in the UK and Obama's first in the US. Then it became the new norm, with increased sophistication. At the same time, journalism responded to the exestential threat created by the Internet by merging itself with the nascent ad-tech industry, pioneered by Google. In this new attention economy, the one who engages people's emotions the most wins. We are witnessing the race to the bottom that this creates, with widespread hysteria and irrationality from both sides of the political spectrum. I think that Trump and QAnon are products of this, and so is brexit on this side of the Atlantic.
You are right. I would add the Russian propaganda. Since long I tend to think that the Brexit is almost a pure result of Russian propaganda, but I have not found the time to verify all the evidences, so I cannot swear on this.
Causation is a difficult subject. The systematic lies in the Oil industry and derivatives has put the bandits into power, but even this necessitates a millenium of training in believing in fairy tales. Maybe the cause is the poor level of education in math and logic. Postmodern relativism does not help, … Truth Research is not well-seen those days...
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