“So I would venture to say, you should not base your thinking so much on all the conspiracy theories which like to undermine basic science for various political reasons because they often don’t present the complete picture nor a true understanding of what is happening. They are driven by fear and superstition aimed at gaining power or creating fear and confusion for pure sadistic pleasure and that is hard to defeat.”
Please specify “conspiracy theories”. There is pseudoscience about “goldilocks” CO2 as culprit for global warming, a Marxist pagan tactics to “inspire”, politicians, housewives and school children to “action” and anarchy—all with pagan “un-awakened consciousness”. What CO2 and H2O vapor does is clearly demonstrated by true science. There is absolutely no determination of any threshold quantity of these “innocently’ innocuous molecules for catastrophic climate changes for at least 5000 years of recorded history of forest fires and 50 years of petroleum fuel burning. What “conspiracy theory” is that?
Approaching ethno-socio-environmental issues from the perspective ‘woke culture’ of death has no historical, philosophic or scientific basis. Instant Augustinian transformation, Reformation, Puritan Awakening, Wesleyan Revivals, “The Two Great Awakenings” and their biproducts such as science, technology, medicine, abolition of slave trade first in history by the vast British Empire, then in the Non-Sovereign Federation of the Sovereign States of America, abolition of Sati, and of Foot Binding, universal education, establishment of hospitals, women’s suffrage, abolition of child labor, Lex Rex (of Scottish Presbyterian minister Samuel Rutherford), so on and so forth are historical and historic—fully evidential. So much so that even pagan Marxist Stalin with “un-awakened consciousness” had to coin the term “American Exceptionalism” to describe such outcomes. Where else could have these originated? Where else DID NOT these originate? And why?
What is the conspiracy theory in raising that question?
Nonconformist to Marxist, socialist, fascist, pagan gloabalism.
Philip, I believe it was you who are quoted as saying in this post:
Pagan WAMP GIGO computer models will not and cannot give a threshold danger level of CO2. The greenhouse effect is for a closed system, unlike the open earth’s atmosphere which is subject to all kinds of external causes (ultraviolet, cosmic rays, solar flares, sunspots etc.). ...
True up to a point, in that the earth’s atmosphere is an open system in that heat from the sun penetrates it and is radiated from it. Radiation from solar flares is largely dealt with by the earth’s magnetic field which can be seen working in the aurora borealis and ultraviolet light is neutralised by the ozone layer in the upper atmosphere if we don’t destroy it. But all this is a finely balanced system. I believe that most computer modelling takes these factors into account. What the modelling is also doing is adding in the effects that extra carbon dioxide has. The effect of this extra Co2 has might not be a problem if it were introduced slowly enough so that the system can cope with it.
I believe that it will eventually deal with it. After all the carbon dioxide being released comes mostly from carbon dioxide that was squirreled away by the natural system when there was so much of it that the earth was a hot steamy and humid place. Life has reduced this load by burying it until we have a climate that is much milder today. You could argue that by releasing it we are only returning the climate to what it used to be. The problem with all this is it took millions of years to squirrel it away and we are putting it back in a few hundreds of years. Hence the problem for all living things on earth because they will have great difficulty adapting at that speed and many will face extinction, including us with a bit of luck. (Joke from nature’s viewpoint)
... Both CO2 gas and H2O vapor absorb infrared rays, but the H2O is eventually condensed into liquid water (causing no catastrophic rise in sea levels, from any meteorology department which is the only division accredited for climate or weather science).
Again the H20 in the atmosphere that is condensed into liquid comes mostly from the oceans and ice so it is part of the natural cycle. There is no increase other than the odd ice comet or vapour released from volcanos. It is also true that ice displaces more water than liquid water. So floating ice actually brings the sea level higher. When it melts as temperatures increase sea levels would drop a bit. It is the ice and snow that is on land which is the problem because that is not displacing any sea water. So when this melts it will at first have little effect because it will be putting the water into space that was originally occupied by ice. It is when you get past the point where all the space occupied by the ice is filled up that the sea levels start to rise. All around the world glaciers the Greenland icecap which is on land and not floating can be observed to be melting. Each year less of the Arctic Ocean is freezing over. At the moment it is only the very low lying islands that are noticing the effect. They are mostly in the tropics and I think there is an effect where the oceans bulge out in depth, as it were, towards the equator due to the earths spin. So it is not surprising that the low lying tropical coral islands should notice the effect first. The only reason New York and Florida are not flooding at the moment is because the sea ice is melting making room for the extra land ice that is melting. The computer modelling shows there is more water locked up in ice on land than there is room for in the space occupied by ice in the oceans. When that point is passed we will start to see the sea levels rising, possibly quite quickly.
“So I would venture to say, you should not base your thinking so much on all the conspiracy theories which like to undermine basic science for various political reasons because they often don’t present the complete picture nor a true understanding of what is happening. They are driven by fear and superstition aimed at gaining power or creating fear and confusion for pure sadistic pleasure and that is hard to defeat”. Roland