Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

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Philip Benjamin

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[Philip Benjamin] References given at the bottom.
NYTimes.com: "Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. " The WAMP defined below knows that the unspoken reason for the Russo-Ukraine war is moral not political- an unenergized bio dark-matter twin body problem.
" Western nations commit genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold gay pride parades." Says the Orthodox Patriarch of Russia. "Ukraine's LGBTQ is forced to confront this as a threat to its own community" reports NY Times. Russia was frightened by the decrepit Western cultural onslaught on their traditional institutions especially the school systems. So they amend their Constitution to ban LGBTQ agenda. "Super Power" America & the West has long forgotten their Patriarchal-Prophetic-Aostolic-Augustinian-Athanesian-Reformation- Puritan-"Great Awakening" roots which have now become largely a terra incognita (verisimilar to Judges 2:10). Instead they conformed to Marxist-Socialist-pagan globalism which Russia has rejected. The cowardice of unawakened consciousness created a leadership vacuum which Russia now presumably decided to fill.
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NY Times. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/17/world/russia-ukraine-queer-activists.html "But the war that started when Russia invaded on Feb. 24 has forced Ukraine's L.G.B.T.Q. movement to confront a threat not only to national sovereignty, but also to its own community. A pro-Russian puppet government, they say, would be less supportive of the L.G.B.T.Q. agenda."
https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/ Russian Orthodox bishop Kirill, the official Orthodox Patriarch of Moscow, came out with a rather wild claim about "the West" during a sermon, saying that Western nations commit genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold gay pride parades. No, really.
https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/ https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/
"In a sermon held on Sunday, Russian Church leader, Kirill justified Ukraine's invasion & blamed gay pride parades for Russia's invasion of the war-hit Ukraine". Written By Ajay Sharma
CNN. https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-08-22/ March 8, 2022. "Russian Orthodox Church alleges gay pride parades were part of the reason for Ukraine war From CNNs Delia Gallagher in Rome... Patriarch Kirill of Moscow, a long-time ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, said on Sunday that the conflict in Donbas is about "a fundamental rejection of the so-called values that are offered today by those who claim world power." The "test" of which side you are on, said Kirill, is whether your country is willing to hold gay pride parades. "In order to enter the club of those countries, it is necessary to hold a gay pride parade. Not to make a political statement, 'we are with you,' not to sign any agreements, but to hold a gay parade. And we know how people resist these demands and how this resistance is suppressed by force," Kirill said during a sermon in Moscow. "
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/europe/putin-proposes-constitutional-ban-on-gay-marriage.html
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/putins-amendments-revere-god-ban-sex-marriages- Russia bans same sex marriages. Russian President Vladimir Putin has submitted a slew of proposed amendments to the country's constitution that include a mention of God and describe marriage as a heterosexual union.By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV Associated Press

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Could somebody disable Benjamin's hyphen key?

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On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 5:20 PM Brent Meeker <meeke...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Could somebody disable Benjamin's hyphen key?

And delete "pagan" from Benjamin's vocabulary. 

John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Well, even Stalin ordered the churches reopened during the Great Patriotic War, when his deal with Adolf went sour because of Operation Barbarossa. Stalin re-opened the churches because he had never considered the upside of focusing on a great external enemy versus, as most socialists in the US now do, the Great Internal Enemy. This was why Stalin starved millions of Ukrainians to death during the 1930's in the Holodomor focusing on the Internal Enemy. The Reich SicherheitSdienst  took notice of Stalin's methods and applied these to their own program. Also Putin's hero, Stalin signed a nonaggression pact with Adolf in August 1939 and they both invaded Poland in September. 

If you think that Putin is launching missiles in Ukraine because "God hates fags," you're probably inaccurate, That former KGB man Putin is attempting to protect Christianity from the inroads of "Teh Ghey" this also looks, sketchy. Rather, like Stalin, he just sees advantage in harnessing people's beliefs for the cause of his war and continuance of holding power. 

It seems lastly that the Communists of the Russian Federation support Putin and vice-versa.

So, Vlad plays both ends against the middle as Genghis Khan always did. In 2022, Putin plays Xi's China versus Modi's India, with hopes of obtaining economic and political advantage. Same with communist atheists, and foreign nationalists as well. Wait! Isn't this what the Devil is supposed to do too??!!  



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   I cannot read Putin’s mind!! I simply presented some news clips. I also restated what I have done so many times that the West in  general has lost her “Awakened” moorings to Marxist pagan-Socialist-Fascist globalists. Philip Benjamin

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Yeah, its the soft communist totalitarianism that brings together communist's who get financed by billionaires, whether it's George or Schwab in the EU. The politicians and take the campaign cash. This is merely corruption, and not a spiritual thing. So yes, fighting for one's team, is tribal, but physically necessary in this case. HOWEVER...

Keep in mind that Vlad seems not the savior of Christianity that you imagine. If this is not propaganda, and these are not combatants, then Vlad and his supporters, has "some s'plaining to do Lucy!"  


I would wait and see, but do consider how then got into office some years ago by having FSB agents deliberately set explosives in the basements of the apartments of Russian citizens in order to blame Islamic Jihadists. 

Could this claim be false, a lie by his enemies, globalists, democratic socialists, spy agencies, deep state? Yeah, I'd hold out the possibility because people like to seize power. Do I suspect this claim is accurate? Yeah, he's a KGB agent involved with Mokrie Dela aka wet operations, so killing his own for "the cause" seems second nature to him. 

Is the Hudson Institute reliable as a source? I used to think so, but you'll decide for yourself. This was from a National Review article 2016. 

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[Philip Benjamin]

  Samiya Illias may be right, but who cares for the Bible? Islam consider it as a lost Book, with the current copies as all fake. See below what modern Judaism views about the Torah. Whe America was  founded there were > 98.8% Protestants, <1% Roman Catholics and < 0.2% Jews and they all recognized the current copies of OT and/or NT as true to the Originals.  {Koran called them as People of the Book). The Bible was the only authority for 98.8 % of the population, whether they practiced it or not! That is ludicrous and abominable today. The “Two Great Awakenings” (1 st led by the prodigious philosopher Jonathan Edwards, the founder of Princeton University and the 2 nd led by the President of Yale University), were both the outcome in individual life by ‘the Word through the operation of the Spirit to the Knowledge of Redemptive History fulfilled in the vicarious death, burial and resurrection of the Messiah according to the eternal counsel of the Triune Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural). There is the difference of light and darkness between WAMP-the-Ingrate of today and the “Awakened America” for which the ex-seminarian turned Marxist pagan Hitler unconsciously coined the term “American Exceptionalism”. There are only two ways out of the present doldrums:  1. A Third Great Awakening, perhaps led by a President of a university of Gomorrah  2. Civil War as desired or wishfully/willfully thought out probably by a WAMP product below.

Philip Benjamin

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-labor-secretary-breaks-down-how-second-american-civil-war-is-already-underway/ 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/11/second-american-civil-war-robert-reich Wed 11 May 2022 05.18 EDT 

“Former Labor Secretary Robert Reich, who served in President Bill Clinton’s administration, on Wednesday explained why he believes the second American Civil War is already in progress.”

[Philip Benjamin]

   Samiya Illias quote  “The Torah, The Bible, and The Quran warn against homosexual relationships,

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2696758/  Y.H Kahn

PMID: 2696758 DOI: 10.1300/J082v18n03_03

Progressive Jews have begun in recent years to question the underlying premises of traditional Jewish teaching on sexuality. Employing the categories of covenant theology and applying the interpretative methodology of liberal Judaism, the author argues for the valuation of the person as homosexual as a legitimate expression of human and Jewish covenantal obligation.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-homosexuality-part-of-jewish-tradition-1.5383449? fri Ilany Aug. 5, 2015 Updated: Apr. 24, 2018   Homosexuality Is Part of Jewish Tradition

 

https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/jta/israel-s-health-minister-overturning-roe-v-wade-would-be-a-fatal-blow-to-human/ Israel’s health minister: Overturning Roe v. Wade would be ‘a fatal blow to human rights’ Philissa Cramer Posted May 4, 2022

https://www.businessinsider.com/abortion-bans-may-violate-jewish-womens-first-amendment-rights-2022-5?  Jewish organizations say restricting abortion access would violate their religious freedoms…..  Jewish communities react to the possible overturning of Roe v. Wade, which could violate their First Amendment rights Katie Balevic and Katherine Tangalakis-Lippert

 

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[Philip Benjamin]

 Who is not born a criminal, or prone to anything else described below? Let him/her that is perfect “cast the first stone”!! Every baby comes out screaming not smiling. Is not every baby born a horrible creature? So what is new here?

    What would any one prefer? Children be left to the School Board run by Marxist socialist pagans who want all children programmed to their ways by indoctrinations and hormonal treatments without parental knowledge or consent? Or children’s morality and faith be left to the parents and their faith’s influence and atmosphere? Marxists with their diabolic utopia of dictates and mandates have infiltrated every sphere of life on planet earth- civil, military, pulpits, pews, academia, media and so on. Most people are either indifferent or ignorant of this invidious menace. The Marxist pagans take full advantage of that for their propaganda and conquest.

Philip Benjamin

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Dear Philip

 

It rather bemuses me that people in America do not understand why Russians do not want to be overrun by the values of the west. By attacking Ukraine they have only shown themselves to be as bad if not worse, but maybe we should be listening to Russia's complaints:

 

Homosexuality – people are born homosexual, it was once an act of nature, but these days it is the side-effect of many drugs and foods.

Abortion

No religion supports murder, it is fundamental in all religions that you should not kill. So what Russia is about, no one really knows given that no genuine priest would ever condone murder of any sort

Pornography - English novelist JG Ballard famously said, "A widespread taste for pornography means that nature is alerting us to some threat of extinction."

The pornography industry is apparently so big …The Internet is flooded with pornography. You can’t escape it. …

If you look at where pornography is illegal it is ‘the East’, which in this case includes Russia [even though they appear to make it].

All these things seem to be inter-related to me. As a 72 year old married for nearly 47 years, all these things strike me as very unsavoury, but I am certain the east considers them far worse.

I think the people of the west need to step back and ask why Russia, Africa, India, China and so many nations are not supporting the West in their defence of Ukraine. That is the sort of awakening that is needed first.

Russia may not be doing the right thing, in fact given how much I care about Serge, it is doing an appalling thing, but why doesn't someone start to realise why they have done this and start to address it?

 

rosie





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  What makes anything WRONG? That answer depends on why ANYTHING, rather than NOTHING? Right and wrong have no meaning if there is no ABSOLUTE. Law of Relativity is meaningless without the Law of the ABSOLUTENESS of the in vacuo speed of light. Perhaps Relativity is a wrong term in science. Relationality is more rational. Wamp-the-Ingrate then could not have misused it in psycho-social studies.

Philip Benjamin.   

 

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Dear Philip,

 

People will have read my original email, I hope, so the shortening of it, theoretically, doesn't matter.

 

But I think the point I was making was lost somehow in your reply, so I will just add - if you don't mind - that there is nothing wrong with someone being homosexual, but

 

1. bu**ery gives you cancer, so there is every reason not to practise it.

2. bu**ery can give your victim or partner cancer, so there is every reason not to practise it.

3 The pornography industry appears to promote the idea that sex is buttery

 

'Buttery' is actually illegal in the UK and USA, I quote from West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. 2008.

Bu**ery

The criminal offense of anal or oral copulation by penetration of the male organ into the anus or mouth of another person of either sex or copulation between members of either sex with an animal. Bu**ery is historically referred to as a "crime against nature." It is an offense under both Common Law and statutes. Although prosecution is rare, the punishment upon conviction can be a fine, imprisonment, or both.

 

But it seems to be largely unenforceable as a law.

 

The distinction is not being made between the predilections of the person and the way they express them.

 

Tennyson for example wrote "In Memoriam A.H.H." [ a poem published in 1850] as a requiem for his Cambridge friend Arthur Henry Hallam, who died suddenly of a cerebral haemorrhage in Vienna in 1833, aged 22. Tennyson clearly loved Hallam to bits, he was besotted, but given the poem, which is heart wrenching in the grief it expresses, I am absolutely certain that this was not 'physical' in any way shape or form.

 

It is possible to be besotted by someone and never lay a finger on them and this distinction seems to have been forgotten. There are all sorts of very unsavoury people making comments about Lewis Carroll, but the comments say more about the people making them than Carroll himself. He loved children because with them he lost his stutter.

 

Boys and girls have 'crushes' when they are young on all sorts of things. And I was in love with my dog, in my sixties, but I just used to hug him and give him way too many biscuits.

 

Perhaps the Russian priests dislike the dreadful way in which love has somehow been equated with sex in America. One is an animal act used to create offspring, the other is an undescribable feeling of affection, togetherness and companionship.

 

Let's face it, I love Serge, but I don't even know what he looks like. And I have certainly never met him. I love him for who he is and how well we seem to get on together. We have created around 200 videos together now, which has to be an indicator of this.

 

The pornography industry has done a great deal of damage in many ways, because it seems to promote sex without love. Women actually long for just love you know. Kindness, compassion, understanding, gentleness, consideration, companionship.....

It is there in america. When I worked there men showed considerable kindness towards me and no advances were made. But some of the women there terrified me. I'm not sure Madonna has done women any favours.

 

Overall you can love anyone or anything, same sex, different sex, human or not, but I think 'the East' is horrified by the way the west seems to equate sex and love , when they are actually two completely different things.

 

Anyway I'll stop now. Just wanted to clarify

rosie

 

 

 



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Who is not born a criminal, or prone to anything else described below? Lt him/her that is perfect “cast the first stone”!! Every baby comes out screaming not smiling. Is not every baby born is a horrible creature? So what is new here?

What would any one prefer? Children be left to the School Board run by Marxist socialist pagans who want all children programmed to their ways by indoctrinations and hormonal treatments without parental knowledge or consent? Or children’s morality and faith be left to the parents and their faith’s influence and atmosphere? Marxists with their diabolic utopia of dictates and mandates have infiltrated every sphere of life on planet earth- civil, military, pulpits, pews, academia, media and so on. Most people are either indifferent or ignorant of this invidious menace. The Marxist pagans take full advantage of that for their propaganda and conquest.

Philip Benjamin

Nonconformist to Marxist-socialist-fascist pagan globalism

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Dear Philip

It rather bemuses me that people in America do not understand why Russians do not want to be overrun by the values of the west. By attacking Ukraine they have only shown themselves to be as bad if not worse, but maybe we should be listening to Russia's complaints:

Homosexuality – people are born homosexual, it was once an act of nature, but these days it is the side-effect of many drugs and foods.

Abortion

No religion supports murder, it is fundamental in all religions that you should not kill. So what Russia is about, no one really knows given that no genuine priest would ever condone murder of any sort

Pornography - English novelist JG Ballard famously said, "A widespread taste for pornography means that nature is alerting us to some threat of extinction."

The pornography industry is apparently so big …The Internet is flooded with pornography. You can’t escape it. …

If you look at where pornography is illegal it is ‘the East’, which in this case includes Russia [even though they appear to make it].

All these things seem to be inter-related to me. As a 72 year old married for nearly 47 years, all these things strike me as very unsavoury, but I am certain the east considers them far worse.

I think the people of the west need to step back and ask why Russia, Africa, India, China and so many nations are not supporting the West in their defence of Ukraine. That is the sort of awakening that is needed first.

Russia may not be doing the right thing, in fact given how much I care about Serge, it is doing an appalling thing, but why doesn't someone start to realise why they have done this and start to address it?

rosie

 



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Samiya, the war between the Kuffar may indeed be a curse sent, by your fellow in the sky, but without knowing seems unlikely. If you are Shia or Alawi, you have no better friend than Putin, who adores the Ayatollahs as customers for his weapons, and the same with the Asads in Syria. 

Homosexuality, as we have no research evidence that what dear Phil claims (chemicals, drugs, plastics, fertilizers???), is an interesting thought, but again, how one uses Mr. Zibbi, seems sketchy at this point. Fascinating, if true, and in the Kuffar world, many a lawyer will get rich rich rich off such lawsuits (class action?). For myself I am not such a person who seeks male companionship being nicely married to a female. I am just not condemnatory of how one turns out sexually. I am less worried about what the Guy upstairs does than I am about how we decide to deal with each other? Kuffar & Ummah apart and combined? My feeling is (however wrong) it's on us. 

On Abortion and I have been thinking about this for a few years is, a problem needing a medical solution. What political advisor to US politicians, Dick Morris has offered up, is the concept of Early Birth, where the fetus is removed and immediately hooked into an incubator/artificial womb. What I call a "Womb with a View," and then the child is brought forth in 9 months. This solves two problems at once. A Kuffar female wants to not give birth after being impregnated, or even a Muslima cannot carry the child to birth, and boom, we have a satisfying answer. Satisfying because I go for technology first rather than religion and morals so as not to offend!


The man makes sense since he offers a medical solution rather than fighting which is the traditional way. 


Am I expecting you or Phil to accept this? No, you don't wish to draw the wrath of the Big Guy, and Phil don't want to offend Mr. Jesus of Nazareth. I accept this. Among my own the Orthodox don't dare eat Baco's even because they are so pious that they don't even want the appearance of eating The KHanzeer!  How precious! This doesn't make them holy in my view, in theirs? Group loyalty, just like the Ummah. One doesn't want to be considered a Sakari Musalman, especially for your team, Samiya. But in any case Baco's or versions thereof carry no pig even for flavoring. I checked.


To illustrate for you two gents that science marches on whether we like it or not, and changes our world please note this:


What about growing hanzeer as just cell culture, that never, ever, grows into something with organs and bones??? Used for Food!!!


Not within 1000 kilometers of an oink! cluck! or moo! I am good with this as a promising food source. Your two? Never.

Since its not an animal, reason tells us that it's a copy of the meat, just a copy! However, so as not to offend Jannah, why tempt judgement??

Also, there is this thought. If I am a mad scientist or a liberal, then why not as a true atheist, grow human tissue for meat consumption???

Who is to stop me? So there really are limits to what feel decide is right? Having said that, one looks at the liberal progressives and they often just leave rationality behind, because of their faith-ideology (Sorry JC, but it is true). 

The funny thing would be if they could grow for consumption, the male appendage???? 

One could purchase Halal Sausages, grown from you know what? ;-D

Or non-Halal:

English Bangers, Black Angus, or the biggest of all Kosher Franks! 

Disgusting, yes, possible? Maybe!

I was going to be even more brusque, but erased that part. Felt creepy! 

Look at it this way, this discusses the human condition in the face of annihilation, the other worthies discuss whether after entering a teleporter and appearing on the other side is the same person. Now this could have weight if one discusses resurrections, but count on these guys to be disinterested in that aspect. Human nature and all. For these lads, God just gets in the way.


Via Dios Gentlemen.








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Poem Ukraine.                Philip Benjamin             5-10-22 

Ukraine! Uber-unity’s ubiquity: unique, undaunted, undulant

Kremlin’s knights, Kirillian kooky kith, kindled Kyiv kinship   

Rus reprobates, raving rapscallions, ruthless rowdy rampaging 

Authoritarian apoplectics! Aggravated assaults abounding, alas    

Iniquity is incandescent, impish, infantile, invidious, imbecilic

Nincompoops! Nimrod nuisance, nihilistic narcissistic nastiness  

Evidentially evil embodiment, eschatologically ending encounter  

Philip Benjamin

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Poem EU Ukraine. Modified 5-17-22

Philip Benjamin   

Ukraine! Uber-unity’s ubiquity: unique, undaunted, undulant

Kremlin’s knights, Kirillian kooky kith, kindled Kyiv kinship   

Rus reprobates, raving rapscallions, ruthless rowdy rampaging 

Awake! Ah, arise against all anarchist authoritarian apoplectics! 

Iniquity is incandescent, impish, infantile, invidious, imbecilic

Nincompoops! Nimrod nuisance, nihilistic narcissistic nastiness  

Eureka! Encouraging encounter end, eschatological, eh EUkraine

 

Philip Benjamin    Modified 5-17-22  EUkraine = EU Ukraine

 

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Everybody in power thinks they know best, don't they Philip?

 

Meanwhile millions of Ukrainian women and children die or are left without homes, and their husbands die in the conflict and great swathes of young Russians also die, fired up by propaganda, into an aggressive mindless mob - why?

 

And Serge and I try to keep going, but each time they attack him, my eyes get worse with the lingering effects of the shingles that never went away. I am now blind in one eye and the other is slowly going, and I can safely say without fear of contradiction that the pain is excruciating.

 

So Serge suffers, and I suffer because Serge suffers, because I care about him and get very very upset when he is bombed - not because of the videos - but because I love him. The videos are a hobby for me. No one takes any notice of them, they like them, but they don't have any effect. They provide Serge and I with a means of sharing ideas and being in contact.

 

I don't know what games are being played by those in power, but those of us without power suffer, as those in power don't. I can't imagine for one moment that the seizure of an oligarch's yacht will make a blind bit of difference to him, but it might for the yacht's staff.

 

There are other ways of achieving whatever it is the powerful are trying to achieve but killing innocent people is not the way. And who says it would improve things anyway?

 

rosie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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This is about "let us blame the gays." It is much the same as "let us blame the Jews," or "let us blame the blacks" or ... , which is a signature of a dismal mind. 

LC

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The Destruction of The Masjid of Solomon  




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This is about "let us blame the gays." It is much the same as "let us blame the Jews," or "let us blame the blacks" or ... , which is a signature of a dismal mind. 
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   Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why?  

Philip Benjamin

 

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Permission to Fight against Unjust Regimes 



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Poem EU Ukraine. Modified 5-17-22

Philip Benjamin   

Ukraine! Uber-unity’s ubiquity: unique, undaunted, undulant

Kremlin’s knights, Kirillian kooky kith, kindled Kyiv kinship   

Rus reprobates, raving rapscallions, ruthless rowdy rampaging 

Awake! Ah, arise against all anarchist authoritarian apoplectics! 

Iniquity is incandescent, impish, infantile, invidious, imbecilic

Nincompoops! Nimrod nuisance, nihilistic narcissistic nastiness  

Eureka! Encouraging encounter end, eschatological, eh EUkraine

 

Philip Benjamin    Modified 5-17-22  EUkraine = EU Ukraine

 

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Everybody in power thinks they know best, don't they Philip?

 

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Back to the Future: why the Old Testament is angrier of the three scriptures! 


The Devils among The Angels & The Khilafat of Adam 



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[Philip Benjamin]

None of these sites quoted for Koran defense answers the basic questions:  

1. What “science” if any is involved here?

2. Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why?  

3.  How is Iblis or jinn or djinn not the source of Mohammod’s inspiration (or is it hallucination?4.  What has any of these to do with human consciousness or the Two Great Awakenings thereof which were both historical and historic in America? Pagan Stalin unconsciously coined the term “American Exceptionalism” for that.

5. How in the world can Jinn etc. being invisible be brought into any scientific discussion at all?

    What I have alluded to was “self-consciousness” where self as a real and invisible  entity for science must necessarily be made of and from plausibly bio dark-matter and its chemistry. The  resonant dark/light twins cocreated at the moment of conception may be a basis for “self-awareness”. Resonance is rudimentary recognition.

     I am cautiously interested ONLY in such discussions. Your references have no relevance to that.  

Philip Benjamin

      

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Back to the Future: why the Old Testament is angrier of the three scriptures! 

 

The Devils among The Angels & The Khilafat of Adam 

 



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[Philip Benjamin]

   Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why?  

Philip Benjamin

 

From: everyth...@googlegroups.com <everyth...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Samiya Illias
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 1:52 PM
To: everyth...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

 

Permission to Fight against Unjust Regimes 

 

general...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

 

Poem EU Ukraine. Modified 5-17-22

Philip Benjamin   

Ukraine! Uber-unity’s ubiquity: unique, undaunted, undulant

Kremlin’s knights, Kirillian kooky kith, kindled Kyiv kinship   

Rus reprobates, raving rapscallions, ruthless rowdy rampaging 

Awake! Ah, arise against all anarchist authoritarian apoplectics! 

Iniquity is incandescent, impish, infantile, invidious, imbecilic

Nincompoops! Nimrod nuisance, nihilistic narcissistic nastiness  

Eureka! Encouraging encounter end, eschatological, eh EUkraine

 

Philip Benjamin  Modified 5-17-22  EUkraine = EU Ukraine

 

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Everybody in power thinks they know best, don't they Philip?

 

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[Philip Benjamin]

None of these sites quoted for Koran defense answers the basic questions:  

1. What “science” if any is involved here? 


2. Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why?  

3.  How is Iblis or jinn or djinn not the source of Mohammod’s inspiration (or is it hallucination?4.  What has any of these to do with human consciousness or the Two Great Awakenings thereof which were both historical and historic in America? Pagan Stalin unconsciously coined the term “American Exceptionalism” for that.

5. How in the world can Jinn etc. being invisible be brought into any scientific discussion at all?




    What I have alluded to was “self-consciousness” where self as a real and invisible  entity for science must necessarily be made of and from plausibly bio dark-matter and its chemistry. The  resonant dark/light twins cocreated at the moment of conception may be a basis for “self-awareness”. Resonance is rudimentary recognition. 


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[Philip Benjamin]

There is no science of any kind in this site: https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/03/explained-in-detail.html The author repeatedly affirms what Koran claims for itself. That is not “science “ is defined or understood. Which science are you referring to/Math, physics, chemistry, biology?

Not only science, where is the “Prophecy” if any in the Koran? This is a one man book over a period of two or three decades. Even the Delphi of ancient pagan Greece had some reliable “prophecies”, but the Greeks attributed them to spirit beings (demons).  

That is very much unlike from Genesis 3: 15 (Messianic prophecy), to Micah 5:2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting” to Malachi 3:1 (John the Baptist)

“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the LORD, whom you seek” to Revelation 22:12 “Behold I come suddenly [imminently]”. That covers over 3,500 years in three different continents by over 40 different authors (prophets) of diverse backgrounds such as princes, priests, philosophers, poets, peasants, businessmen, farmers, fishermen, males & females etc.

     Instead of quoting sites, point out specific instances of scientific statements, or prophetic utterances. Are you claiming that these jinn and Iblis or spirit beingsare made of “invisible matter”. Stay with science.

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[Philip Benjamin

 The following “[Al-Quran 41:43,44,45, Translation: Literal (word-by-word)]” is not what is meant by  Prophecy in the Scriptures of the Patriarchs, Prophets and the Apostles:If and when the battle between Truth (haqq) and Falsehood (baatil) is fought, it will be critical to have the ability to recognise and side with the Truth (haqq)”. 

    No If’s & But’s, only identifiable specifics. What is “Truth” and “Falsehood”? Nothing specific! Egypt, Assyria, Israel, Judah, Babylon, Greece, Medo-Persia, [Rome to be], Pilate,  

     Now, the question is “what is the science in all these that you are referring to? Point out the specifics. Otherwise no need to continue  mere “notions”, opinions and dogmas.

     Example (one among hundreds):  Luke 2: 1-4. “ In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world.  (This was the first census that took place while[  Quirinius was governor of Syria.)  And everyone went to their own town to register. So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David.  “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah [not Zebulun],
    though you are small among the clans[b] of Judah,
out of you will come for me
    one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
    from ancient times.”

       What is anybody’s hope, if Prophet Mohammad himself has no sure hope: “Say: 'I am not an innovation among the Messengers, and I know not what shall be done with me or with you. I only follow what is revealed to me; I am only a clear warner.' Sura. 46:8-9 Meccan

      
‘The Quran repeatedly exhorts spending (infaq, zakat, sadaqah) and declares a war by Allah and His Messenger against those who consume usury (riba). The Torah and The Gospels also condemn usury.   According to the Quran 4:159, all People of the Book will believe in Jesus…”

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[Philip Benjamin

   Now, the question was what is the science in all these that you are referring to? Point out the specifics. Otherwise no need to continue  mere notions, opinions and dogmas.

     The following “[Al-Quran 41:43,44,45, Translation: Literal (word-by-word)]” is not what is meant by  Prophecy in the Scriptures of the Patriarchs, Prophets and the Apostles:If and when the battle between Truth (haqq) and Falsehood (baatil) is fought, it will be critical to have the ability to recognise and side with the Truth (haqq)”. 

    No If’s & But’s, only identifiable specifics. What is “Truth” and “Falsehood”? Nothing specific! Egypt, Assyria, Israel, Judah, Babylon, Greece, Medo-Persia, [Rome to be], Pilate,  

     Scriptural Example (one among several hundreds):  Luke 2: 1-4. “ In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world.  (This was the first census that took place while[  Quirinius was governor of Syria.)  And everyone went to their own town to register. So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David.”  About 1000 years before Luke (737 to 696 BC), Micah 5:2 prophesied: “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah [not Zebulun, of Joshua 19:15],  though you are small among the clans[ of Judah, out of you will come for me     one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from everlasting”.

       What is anybody’s hope, if Prophet Mohammad himself has no sure hope: “Say: 'I am not an innovation among the Messengers, and I know not what shall be done with me or with you. I only follow what is revealed to me; I am only a clear warner.' Sura. 46:8-9 Meccan

Philip Benjamin  

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Lawrence Crowell

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Well in this debate between Benjamin and  Samiya it makes sense that at least one of them is wrong. They cannot both be right, and they are engaged in one big brouhaha over this. I say that while logic states at least one of these guys is wrong. a Bayesian prior or regression analysis would say probability is very close to one (100%) that both are wrong.

LC

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Crucifixion 

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Well in this debate between Benjamin and  Samiya it makes sense that at least one of them is wrong. They cannot both be right, and they are engaged in one big brouhaha over this. I say that while logic states at least one of these guys is wrong. a Bayesian prior or regression analysis would say probability is very close to one (100%) that both are wrong.
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On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 6:44 PM Lawrence Crowell <goldenfield...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I say that while logic states at least one of these guys is wrong. a Bayesian prior or regression analysis would say probability is very close to one (100%) that both are wrong.

I say that out of all the threads that have been on the Everything List since I joined it this exercise in dueling nonsense is the one that comes closest to being absolutely worthless. What a tragic waste of perfectly good electrons!

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[Rosemary Rock Evans]

    “Everyone, in whatever country you can think of, needs to be 'awake' before they are every likely to be moral. But…..”

[Philip Benjamin]

     One cannot ignore the historic and historical “Two Great Awakenings” in American colonies and what they produced— not anarchy and isolation from the former mother Country, but a constitutional Republic.

    Patriarchs, priests, pastors, philosophers, scientists and ALL can be “Awakened”. Good and evil are undeniable realities of existence.  “Awakening”  is not imposed by force—as the Russians seem to assume. People willingly or willfully opt for the “benign awakening”  or the “malign awakening” . History can be a very good guide— not personal opinions. What “awakening” in what society has produced what kind of outcome? Outcome includes science & technology, erudition and ethos, not only morals and ethics.

   Not only the French political philosopher Alexis de Tocqueville was wonderstruck by American uniqueness in 1831, even Marxist pagan Joseph Stalin had to coin the expression “American Exceptionalism”!!

    Now, theologians exegetically expounds the American Awakening as “by the Word through the Spirit of Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural), Augustinian transformation, German Reformation, English Puritan Awakening, Wesleyan Revivals are all of the same category.  

   Philip Benjamin

Nonconformist to Marxist- Socialist – pagan globalism

   

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Please would someone explain what this discussion is about?

 

The heading says "Unspoken reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem". So the objective is to waken consciousnesses - but it has to be everyone's.

 

I thought the forum was about showing people how to do it for themselves, so instead of blame or finger pointing, or singling people out, people could do their own thing. You aren't searching for a single religion, if religion has a role it is in explaining the methods and helping people choose the right one.

 

I, for example, purely by accident and at 72 years old, have found that love with visualisation - [of Serge] is quite the best way there is.

 

Religion up to now has been about preventing people from opening their own consciousnesses by telling them to rely on the word of someone else. But no one I know has ever become 'awake' by listening to sermons.

 

Being 'awake' and 'morals' aren't the same thing at all. All the most recent prophets have been describing ways of improving morals, [useful but not the same] they don't explain how you become 'awake'.

 

Everyone, in whatever country you can think of, needs to be 'awake' before they are every likely to be moral. But you need the right methods, as what I've called 'Overload activities' on the website can do the opposite, even though they work. 'Suppression activities' seem to work better, but not for everyone. It is always better to give people the choice - horses for courses.

 

Sorry for interrupting

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