FW: A Lamentation on Thanksgiving 2020
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A Lamentation on Thanksgiving 2020 Philip Benjamin
Progressive wickedness brings mourning, disgrace, contempt
Awakened consciousness is transcendent, from death to life
Great Awakenings Twice, with the third in order for respite
American-Puritanism-ousting by progressive paganism is rife
Non-pagan regenerated hearts and minds are rare and sparseImago Dei defunct as humanist self is inflated and enthroned
Sudden destruction, a historical imperative, is not off the pace
Man-o-man! How is the gold become dim, most fine gold changed!Philip Benjamin
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Lawrence Crowell
Philip Benjamin
[Philip Benjamin]
On the usual civilized pagan notion that “ None of these ideas have any meaning to those of us who think in a primarily scientific way,” it must be noted that SOCIALIST Germany under SOCIALIST Hitler was the most advanced in science and technology during the early 20- th Century. That to certain extent was true also of Marxist Stalin’s Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics, and of Fascist ( Business-Politics-merger) Mussolini’s Italy. Political establishments of ALL nations today are not very far from such ONE PARTY dictatorships. Washington Establishment is the most PAGAN of all—occultism (mysticism, meditations etc.) fortunetelling, tarot card reading, necromancy, so on and so forth are commonlyand seriously practiced by the rich and famous and nearly ALL politicians.
Non-pagan Civilizations with individual, Augustinian awakened consciousness, not the kundalini/reptilian pagan ones with un-awakened consciousness, produced MODERN science and technology, not vice versa. Those pagans who invoke the goddess of science and make exclusive claims of being scientific do not recognize that fact.
Science is finite, incomplete, imprecise and often inconsistent. How can any science be complete with 95% of matter in the universe still unknown? How can science accept dark-matter physics, but not dark-matter chemistry? How can science deal with the questions of aseity, causality, origin, meanings, morals, telos, ideas of eschaton etc.? One famous scientist talked about oxy-moronic “self-creation” contrary to all Laws of Logic. Another discusses the physics of Hitlers still fighting Socialist wars in a parallel universes, without any reference to “parallel” chemistry!! A multiverse Universe will need Multiverse physics and chemistry and biology etc. Learned foolishness of present science and technology will not answer the fundamental or ultimate questions of life and consciousness. Science without humility is non-science.
Philip Benjamin
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Dumb white trash America has spoken!
……. This has also assumed the dimension of a cult, a personality cult of t'Rump where there is an identification of being a real American with supporting t'Rump. It echoes the "Hitler is Deutschland, Deutschland is Hitler" slogan during the Third Reich.
None of these ideas have any meaning to those of us who think in a primarily scientific way. Comments about Augustine or other ancient theologians are only of interest in some historical sense. You do not hear this kind of discussion in a scientific meeting. It is otiose and anachronistic stuff that frankly all looks a bit like nonsense. ……..
LC
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A Lamentation on Thanksgiving 2020 Philip Benjamin
Progressive wickedness brings mourning, disgrace, contempt
Awakened consciousness is transcendent, from death to life
Great Awakenings Twice, with the third in order for respite
American-Puritanism-ousting by progressive paganism is rife
Non-pagan regenerated hearts and minds are rare and sparseImago Dei defunct as humanist self is inflated and enthroned
Sudden destruction, a historical imperative, is not off the pace
Man-o-man! How is the gold become dim, most fine gold changed!Philip Benjamin
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[Brilliant White America] or is it Yellow Gold or Black Gold or Purple Pearl America?
“Dumb white trash America has spoken!… None of these ideas have any meaning to those of us who think in a primarily scientific way. Comments about Augustine or other ancient theologians are only of interest in some historical sense. You do not hear this kind of discussion in a scientific meeting. It is otiose and anachronistic stuff that frankly all looks a bit like nonsense. ………..In growing up we put away childish things.”
LC
[Philip Benjamin]
This is only for general education of “Brilliant (Supremacist?) White America”. Not everyone who posts here need be white, or of any particular religion or even American!!
No non-pagan citizen of any country will ever call any human being “trash”. Every PERSON no matter how heinous is worth more than “the whole world”. For general education two or three links are given below to open up, if at all possible, some closed minds. A scientist with a closed mind is a very dangerous species— nonetheless never any less worthy than “the whole world”. America has people from all over the world. That “knowledge” alone is necessary to be cautious with words.
Philip Benjamin
Only two countries are mentioned below, among so many.
https://www.ancient.eu/article/801
Mar 22, 2018 · The credit for establishing Christianity as the official religion of ancient Armenia is traditionally given to Saint Gregory the Illuminator or Enlightener (previously known as Grigor Lusavorich, c. 239 - c. 330 CE). Gregory is credited with converting king Tiridates the Great (r. c. 298 to c. 330 CE) to the new religion, formally establishing the Armenian Church, and spreading Christianity … Armenia (98% Christian) was the first ever Christian Kingdom.
Armenian Christian Couple
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https://www.quora.com/Are-Coptic-Egyptians-and...
The Copts are an ethno religous Christian group that include Christians from Egypt, and other Coptic faith minorities in Libya, Sudan and parts of Ethiopia. The founder of the Coptic faith was a Libyan, Saint Mark, who introduced Christianity in the city of Alexandria around the 1st Century A.D
Coptic Christian Couple
https://joyvarocky.blogspot.com/2012/08/nasrani-syrian-christians.html
Nasrani Syrian Christians ( Syrian-Malabar -Mappila-Saint Thomas Christians ) people are an ethnic community in Kerala. Their heritage is Syriac-Keralite, their culture South Indian, their faith St. Thomas Christian, and their language Malayalam. According to the Acts of Thomas apostle, the first converts made by St. Thomas in India were Malabari Jews, who had settled in Kerala since the time of 'King Solomon' of Israel. Their tradition goes back to the very beginnings of first century Christian thought, and the seven churches that are established by St. Thomas the Apostle among the natives and the Jewish diaspora in Kerala. They follow a unique Hebrew-Syriac Christian tradition which includes several Jewish elements along with some Hindu customs.It is believed that St. Thomas travelled to Kerala in AD. 52.
“Saint Thomas, the disciple of Jesus Christ, landed in a.d. 52 at Maliankara near Cranganore. It is believed that he visited different parts of Kerala and converted a good number of local inhabitants, including seven from the literate upper-caste Nambudiri Brahmans. It seems that Saint Thomas established churches in seven places in Kerala. Malayalam came under the influence of Sanskrit and Prakrit with the spread of Aryan influence. Sanskrit words and sentences are freely used in Malayalam. Kerala had its own scripts (lipis ) from early days. The modern Malayalam script is adopted mainly from the grantha script (book script)….. Malayalam with its fifty-three letters perhaps expresses by proper marks the most extensive phonology among all the Indian languages. With more than 74 percent literacy, the highest in India, Kerala has developed a wealth of Literature unmatched in any other region. The more than forty newspapers are read by intellectuals as well working-class farmers and factory laborers. The best known is Malayala Manorama (first published in 1888) with a readership of close to a million, the largest in India”.
Malankara (Kerala) Syrian Christian couple
Lawrence Crowell
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[Brilliant White America] or is it Yellow Gold or Black Gold or Purple Pearl America?
“Dumb white trash America has spoken!… None of these ideas have any meaning to those of us who think in a primarily scientific way. Comments about Augustine or other ancient theologians are only of interest in some historical sense. You do not hear this kind of discussion in a scientific meeting. It is otiose and anachronistic stuff that frankly all looks a bit like nonsense. ………..In growing up we put away childish things.”
LC
[Philip Benjamin]
This is only for general education of “Brilliant (Supremacist?) White America”. Not everyone who posts here need be white, or of any particular religion or even American!!
No non-pagan citizen of any country will ever call any human being “trash”.
Brent
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Socialism is merely a path or should be, and not a goal. Socialism was indeed the primary method by the nazis for social control, for those not relegated to the camps. Later, the Soviets resorted to this softer approach. The Nazis did go big for crony capitalism of which we see plaguing the US today. That Christianity should be blamed for expanding slavery amongst the New World is a fair accusation. That the fact that Islam as a society produced and equally large slave trade, beforehand, and at the same time, and afterwards, is being ignored for ideological reasons, obviously.
At this point Eugene Debs is not on the same socialist road and Brother Bernie, nor, Kamala, nor, AOC, nor, congresswoman Rashida, and so forth, Plus. like the Deutschlanders the deutschlanders of the period, also do what democrats and republican representatives now do, represent the very wealthy.Republicans- (note, the zero in the column indicates the other side)
Philip Benjamin
[Brent Meeker] “Then there are an awful lot of pagans calling themselves "Christians". Or does "pagans" just refer to people you think are trash, even when you don't say it? Brent”
[Philip Benjamin]
Definitions are mighty important. How do you define a pagan? A Non-pagan? Is there a REALLY scientific basis for these definitions that eventually involves INVISIBLE mental processes in the VISIBLE human bodies? The only candidate available for science today is a dark twin cocreated at the moment of conception with the light twin, where the dark-matter particles are of negligible mass (w.r.t electrons) and could be of the kind of axions, neutrinos and monopoles (published elsewhere). The “Additional Mass” of the experimental results reported by Amrit Sorli with the growth and death of organisms in hermetically sealed tubes is of consequence here.
Was Hitler a socialist? That depends on whose definition one follows!! Public Schools, Britannica and such other anti- West WAMP publications disavow Hitler’s Socialism, because they do not want Socialism to be considered evil!! They also consider Mussolini as a pagan, because for the sake of cunningly consolidating his power he struck a deal with the gullible ecclesiastical establishment of his days. Hitler also did the same with the Concordat (The Reichskonkordat). Hitler’s hatred for Orthodox Christian Russia is not from any hatred for any intrinsic Hatred for socialist/communist/fascist dictatorship!! He hated Gypsies, all kinds of Christians and Jews alike. There is absolutely no difference now of Hitlerite tactics of the Marxist/Socialist/Fascists/Antifa/WAMP movements in the West in complete cahoots with politicians as well as drug and human traffickers. Dictatorship is dictatorship, be it Business-Statist fascist (Antifa), socialist, or Marxist (BLM). The WAMP is in a hurry to malign all non-pagans by rewriting history.
WAMP = Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism)
Pagan = Pan-Gaia-n (earthlings, earth worshiper)
Non-pagan = Acceptor of revelatory knowledge of Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (plural) with
Patriarchal, Prophetic and Apostolic imprimatur.
Philip Benjamin
From: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Thursday, November 26, 2020 9:47 PM Subject: Re: A Lamentation on Thanksgiving 2020
Heisenberg headed the Nazi nuclear effort, but he recommended against building a bomb because it would take to long to affect the war (this was early in the war and it was generally assumed Germany would win
in a few more months). He mostly pursued the idea of a power reactor, but he didn't have a very good idea of how a reactor would work and greatly overestimated the amount of U235 needed. He was a theoretician and really a very bad choice to a manage what
was essentially an engineering development. In contrast the U.S. Manhattan project was headed by Gen. Leslie Groves whose experience and expertise was in building barracks.
Brent
On 11/26/2020 5:12 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Well, even some of the best scientific minds have gone astray frequently. Heisenberg, for example, headed the Nazi bomb effort, more with a shrug than a lot of thought. We did have worse examples of scientists screwing things up; Lysenko, the Eugenicists, Mengele, a physician and an anthropologist. For bad things in history, we do have a stake in keeping things Western, for a while, unless one sees Xi's China as the better model for scientific successes? For me, the carvings up of the Falun Gong and the Uighers awaits the eventual release of names of the scientists involved. I could be in for a very long wait.
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[Brilliant White America] or is it Yellow Gold or Black Gold or Purple Pearl America?
“Dumb white trash America has spoken!… None of these ideas have any meaning to those of us who think in a primarily scientific way. Comments about Augustine or other ancient theologians are only of interest in some historical sense. You do not hear this kind of discussion in a scientific meeting. It is otiose and anachronistic stuff that frankly all looks a bit like nonsense. ………..In growing up we put away childish things.”
LC
[Philip Benjamin]
This is only for general education of “Brilliant (Supremacist?) White America”. Not everyone who posts here need be white, or of any particular religion or even American!!
No non-pagan citizen of any country will ever call any human being “trash”. Every PERSON no matter how heinous is worth more than “the whole world”. For general education two or three links are given below to open up, if at all possible, some closed minds. A scientist with a closed mind is a very dangerous species— nonetheless never any less worthy than “the whole world”. America has people from all over the world. That “knowledge” alone is necessary to be cautious with words.
Philip Benjamin
Only two countries are mentioned below, among so many.
Mar 22, 2018 · The credit for establishing Christianity as the official religion of ancient Armenia is traditionally given to Saint Gregory the Illuminator or Enlightener (previously known as Grigor Lusavorich, c. 239 - c. 330 CE). Gregory is credited with converting king Tiridates the Great (r. c. 298 to c. 330 CE) to the new religion, formally establishing the Armenian Church, and spreading Christianity … Armenia (98% Christian) was the first ever Christian Kingdom.
Armenian Christian Couple
The Copts are an ethno religous Christian group that include Christians from Egypt, and other Coptic faith minorities in Libya, Sudan and parts of Ethiopia. The founder of the Coptic faith was a Libyan, Saint Mark, who introduced Christianity in the city of Alexandria around the 1st Century A.D
Coptic Christian Couple
Nasrani Syrian Christians ( Syrian-Malabar -Mappila-Saint Thomas Christians ) people are an ethnic community in Kerala. Their heritage is Syriac-Keralite, their culture South Indian, their faith St. Thomas Christian, and their language Malayalam. According to the Acts of Thomas apostle, the first converts made by St. Thomas in India were Malabari Jews, who had settled in Kerala since the time of 'King Solomon' of Israel. Their tradition goes back to the very beginnings of first century Christian thought, and the seven churches that are established by St. Thomas the Apostle among the natives and the Jewish diaspora in Kerala. They follow a unique Hebrew-Syriac Christian tradition which includes several Jewish elements along with some Hindu customs.It is believed that St. Thomas travelled to Kerala in AD. 52.
“Saint Thomas, the disciple of Jesus Christ, landed in a.d. 52 at Maliankara near Cranganore. It is believed that he visited different parts of Kerala and converted a good number of local inhabitants, including seven from the literate upper-caste Nambudiri Brahmans. It seems that Saint Thomas established churches in seven places in Kerala. Malayalam came under the influence of Sanskrit and Prakrit with the spread of Aryan influence. Sanskrit words and sentences are freely used in Malayalam. Kerala had its own scripts (lipis ) from early days. The modern Malayalam script is adopted mainly from the grantha script (book script)….. Malayalam with its fifty-three letters perhaps expresses by proper marks the most extensive phonology among all the Indian languages. With more than 74 percent literacy, the highest in India, Kerala has developed a wealth of Literature unmatched in any other region. The more than forty newspapers are read by intellectuals as well working-class farmers and factory laborers. The best known is Malayala Manorama (first published in 1888) with a readership of close to a million, the largest in India”.
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[Brent Meeker] “Then there are an awful lot of pagans calling themselves "Christians". Or does "pagans" just refer to people you think are trash, even when you don't say it? Brent”
[Philip Benjamin]
Definitions are mighty important.
How do you define a pagan? A Non-pagan?
Is there a REALLY scientific basis for these definitions that eventually involves INVISIBLE mental processes in the VISIBLE human bodies? The only candidate available for science today is a dark twin cocreated at the moment of conception with the light twin, where the dark-matter particles are of negligible mass (w.r.t electrons) and could be of the kind of axions, neutrinos and monopoles (published elsewhere).
The “Additional Mass” of the experimental results reported by Amrit Sorli with the growth and death of organisms in hermetically sealed tubes is of consequence here.
Was Hitler a socialist? That depends on whose definition one follows!! Public Schools, Britannica and such other anti- West WAMP publications disavow Hitler’s Socialism, because they do not want Socialism to be considered evil!! They also consider Mussolini as a pagan, because for the sake of cunningly consolidating his power he struck a deal with the gullible ecclesiastical establishment of his days.
Hitler also did the same with the Concordat (The Reichskonkordat). Hitler’s hatred for Orthodox Christian Russia is not from any hatred for any intrinsic Hatred for socialist/communist/fascist dictatorship!! He hated Gypsies, all kinds of Christians and Jews alike.
--- Adolf Hitler - Berlin March, 1936
"The party as such represents the point of view of a positive
Christianity without binding itself to any one particular
confession."
---- Adolf Hitler, in the Nazi manifesto:
"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.²
---Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933
"We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity in fact our movement is Christian."
---Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall¹s The Holy Reich]
"Christ was the greatest early fighter in the battle against the world enemy -- the Jews. The work that Christ started but did not finish, I, Adolf Hitler, will conclude."
--- "The Book of Political Quotes," London: Angus & Robertson
Publishers, 1982, p. 195
See if you can find reality on a map, Phil.
Brent
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Sure, Heisenberg was a guy who like Bohr, I believed, walked along talking about the quantum, with Einstein remaining a skeptic (or so I have read)? Heisenberg, yes, wasn't a political guy, and yet served the baddies to his best logical capability
(according to the UK MI-5 wiring tapping of his "new home" as a pow in the UK. But then, I had read Albert Speer's claims in his book after his release, Speer's suggestions as Hitler's architect and chief armaments minister (who he claims couldn't get approval past Himmler & Goering). The stuff he claimed to have advocated were the V3 Waterfall rocket to be directed against Allied bombers. Also more panzerfausts and panzerschreck's. I suppose if I had a real point it would be to support the contention by Benjamin, of being reasonably skeptical of scientists, as well as the Leslie Groves of the world. In my feeble opinion, being rational about science, sans, actual observation and detection of behavior, Newtonian, or quantum is a ginormous error.
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Yeah , yet my team never clogged the streets (in the Safe dem zones) sans, masks (except when cameras appeared), and set things afire (mostly peaceful arson), looted, and burned down city blocks, etc.
"We stand at the end of the Age of Reason. A new era of the
magical explanation of the world is rising."
--Adolf Hitler from Gespräch mit Hitler by Herman Raschning
quoted by Francis Slakey "When the lights of reason go out" New
Scientist 11 September 1993.
I am glad my side are the irrational ones.
The Unite the Right, at Charlottesville:
For me, I will wait and see how your team, once it ascends to office, and then becomes The Law and deals with the ignorant, rabble?
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No, I was claiming the side of the rubes, the hicks, the anti-science bozos, the vast unwashed, ignorant, trumpkins, not you or your team. If you think I am a fascist I have no reason to embrace or demur, because what the hell does it really mean as a matter of relevance to today? It's just a name tag that people who would still embrace Joe Stalin, or Mao, or Pol Pot, without a cogent thought, and just agree to see if they can draw an emotional response? If that was your thing or maybe just getting weary of the 'convo' so be it.
Now, as a matter of fact I do supply the evidence that the liberal mindset (whatever you identify as?) ignores stuff like this at your own peril. It's not merely hypocrisy but the attempt to control the rest of us. I suppose the dems expected us to let this glide on by?
Secondly, for your faith in the infallibility of researchers, something that I thought was simple a feature of the Popes, I would line this up before your faithful eyes.
Now if you are looking to a view for scientific (technological) progress, that is a different feature. This, of course, is not what this interaction is about.
Lawrence Crowell
On 11/27/2020 4:45 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Sure, Heisenberg was a guy who like Bohr, I believed, walked along talking about the quantum, with Einstein remaining a skeptic (or so I have read)? Heisenberg, yes, wasn't a political guy, and yet served the baddies to his best logical capabilityThat's not right. If you read the transcripts what it reveals is that he had far over estimated the amount of U235 needed to make a bomb. So he was probably just being honest when he told his Nazi bosses that more research was needed and a bomb could not be built in time to make a difference. Incidentally he was accused of being a "white Jew" because of his association with Born and because he was a theoretician. He had to be rescued by his mother phoning Speer's mother, the two of them having been friends in the past.
Philip Benjamin
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On 11/27/2020 8:02 AM, Philip Benjamin wrote:
[Brent Meeker]
The “Additional Mass” of the experimental results reported by Amrit Sorli with the growth and death of organisms in hermetically sealed tubes is of consequence here.
[Philip Benjamin]
https://vixra.org/pdf/0910.0036v1.pdf Information Transfer Consciousness-Matter Amrit S. Sorli Scientific Research Centre BISTRA, Ptuj, Slovenia
https://core.ac.uk/display/21767122 Journal of Theoretics Vol.4-2 The Additional Mass of Life
By Dott Ing and Amrit Sorli
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.218.573
Journal of Theoretics Vol.4-2 The Additional Mass of Life By Dott Ing and Amrit Sorli
https://philosophyofscienceportal.blogspot.com/2008/05/additional-mass-of-life-rightttttttttt.html
Philosophy of Science Portal A Venue for Discussions of Science, Philosophy and the Arts Amrit Sorli
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282154962_Bio_dark-Matter_Chemistry_Implications https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is_spirit_our_energy_Is_spirit_dark_energy
Laws of chemistry are universal and invariable and are applicable to atomic dark matter also. So are the effects under analogous conditions. Animal and vegetable life (genetics) have extensive influence over chemistries. They suspend them, change them or traverse them to produce an innumerable number of products essential for life and adapted to the purpose of survival. Some of these processes are known and many often unknown and beyond laboratory capabilities.
Bio Dark Matter Chemistry:
Light Matter + Chemistry--> Perishable Body.
Dark Matter + Dark Chem. --> Durable Invisible Body.
Dark/Light Chem. Bond Dissociation --> Dissonance, Disease, Death
"Bio Dark-Matter Chemistry", International Journal of Current Research and Reviews Vol 4 issue 20, 2012. ISSN: 0975-5241 "Spiritual Body or Physical Spirit? Bio Dark-Matter Chemistry & Your Invisible Doppelganger". Sunbury Press, PA. February 2013. ISBN: 978-1-62006-182-4 http://biodarkmatter.webs.com
Philip Benjamin PhD MSc MA
Discover magazine quotes a Harvard theoretical physicist positing dark-life from dark-matter. http://discovermagazine.com/2013/julyaug/21-the-possible-parallel-universe-of-dark-matter
Researchgate quotes physicist G. K. Ustinova of Rusian Academy of Science indicating that bio dark-matter chemistry offers a new fruitful direction of investigation in this enigmatic field.(https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is_spirit_our_energy_Is_spirit_dark_energy).
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2009/sep/21/is-dark-matter-mostly-dark-atoms
1. David Kaplan et al
(Johns Hopkins U) conclude from "new observational and experimental data" that dark matter exists as
composite particles
– atoms of dark protons and dark electrons that are acted on by [dark
photons] the dark-matter equivalent of the electromagnetic force". This is based on the data of Neal Weiner and David Tucker-Smith in 2001,
2. "Daniel
Hooper, an astrophysicist at Fermilab in the US, affirms that the atomic dark-matter model is really viable and that all the lingering doubts "are resolved
fairly easily."
3. Christopher Wells (Kaplan's colleague) sees here the "additional benefit of bringing dark matter more into line with the ordinary matter that we are familiar with".
Note: They claim that "dark hydrogen atoms could bind to form hydrogen molecules and that the formation of these molecules could then lead to the creation of "dark stars" or other compact objects and add that the interaction of dark photons with ordinary photons could lead to emission lines in the spectra of cosmic gamma rays".
Implications of Dark-matter Chemistry
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282154962_Bio_dark-Matter_Chemistry_Implications
1. Laws of chemistry are the same universally in light-matter and dark-matter
(only ab initio computational chemistries).
2. Dark-matter chemistry/genetics begins
at the moment of conception just as light-matter chemistry/genetics leading to an invisible doppelganger identical/eidetic to the visible body at all stages of human development (en-dark-body-ment, endarkbodiment).
3. Dark-matter body may be invisible to electromagnetic tools including the senses in their normal state of existence.
4. Dark and light chemical bonds have similar properties, interact with each other, rotate, vibrate, oscillate, have reciprocal motion, stretch, contract, have resonance structures, associate, dissociate, bend and break. These cause weak changes in energetics
of the
light-matter chemical bonds, resulting in emission of weak photons known as biophotons. The sudden burst of biophotons at the moment of death of plant and animal cells results from the breaking of the coupling forces. OBE/NDE phenomena depend
on the extent of “bond-dissociation”.
5. Dark-matter bodies may be non-entropic, enduring for ever
6. Enduring dark-bodies need no reproductive capabilities, hence are asexual
7. Enduring Dark-matter beings may exist and may be visible as an eerie biophotonic manifestation at appropriate excited energy states by internal or external mechanisms .
8. Dark-matter beings can indwell/permeate light matter bodies, possessing and exhibiting any uncanny characteristic they may have.
9. Biophoton
emission rates differing by an order of magnitude across the taxa may be explained from the taxon-dependent weak changes in energetics resulting from interactions of
light/dark chemical bonds.
Dark matter bodies may be incomplete and less stable in animals and plants Different biophoton emission rates across the taxa.
That indicates greater reactivity (or instability) at the source of emission;
plant cells emit 10 times more than human/sq.in/per s. Greater is the instability, greater the emission rate.
10. In an early termination of pregnancy in humans, a durable and precocial bio dark-matter twin, co-created at the moment of conception, can survive the altricial light-matter twin. When decoupled at death the bio dark-matter body will be relatively at a negative energy state by -E = mC^2 where m is the dead body mass. That will be the magnitude of the threshold external energy needed to raise the bio dark matter body to any functional state (Physical resurrection for example).
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282154962_Bio_dark-Matter_Chemistry_Implications https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is_spirit_our_energy_Is_spirit_dark_energy
Philip Benjamin
Lawrence Crowell
Brent Meeker
There are other people who were more fanatically behind the Nazi regime. Pascual Jordan and Oskar Teichmuller are big examples. Jordan was a brilliant physicist who developed a form of quantum mechanics with Wigner in 1935, which involves a subtle distinction between algebraic generators of groups and the observables of a group, where the group elements are unitary quantum transformations.
Brent
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[Lawrence Crowell]
“I have utterly no idea what is meant by dark chemistry…”
[Philip Benjamin]
Sorli experiments are repeatable. Chemistry means Chemical Bonds which are spin governed particle configurations of duets and octets. Dark Chemistry is Dark Matter Chemistry. Astrophysical light-matter is mostly H & He. Astrophysical dark-matter may correspond to H & He atoms. Biospherical light-matter consists of 92+ elements of the Periodic Table. Biospherical dark-matter may correspond to that. Biophoton emissions may be explained in terms of interactions of dark and light chemical bonds. That has been discussed in “Spiritual Body or Physical Spirit”.
Not everything need be published in Physical Reviews.
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Bruno Marchal
On 26 Nov 2020, at 01:23, Lawrence Crowell <goldenfield...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dumb white trash America has spoken!
I am going to say right off I have no strong cultural connection to Protestantism. My religious background is Catholicism and Judaism, and I chose the latter because it made at least a bit more sense. It was also fun to go to Hebrew school. while CCD or Catechism was rather dull. So given my choice I took the bar mitzvah, and while Judaism might be said to maximize regret that is a decision I did not regret.
With respect to puritans, the colonization of the Americas was filled with this. In England after Henry VIII separated the Church of England from Rome all sort of religious stuff happened. This was made more so by Wilberforce who translated the bible into English. In the Germanys John Hus began the Anabaptist movement and this helped precipitate Lutheranism. The puritans fought a civil war in England and put Cromwell in power. With the religious chaos that ensued, the reformation wars of the 17th century, many of these people left for North America. The result is the United States has a strong cultural backbone of religious wacko-ness.The right winged movement has inculcated most ideas and symbols in America associated with patriotism, faith and so forth. We now get language that to be a true American means being Republican. It even has taken on religious eschatology, where in the battle between God and His angels against Satan and his demons a vote for the GOP is for God and to bring Jesus back etc. This has also assumed the dimension of a cult, a personality cult of t'Rump where there is an identification of being a real American with supporting t'Rump. It echoes the "Hitler is Deutschland, Deutschland is Hitler" slogan during the Third Reich.
None of these ideas have any meaning to those of us who think in a primarily scientific way. Comments about Augustine or other ancient theologians are only of interest in some historical sense. You do not hear this kind of discussion in a scientific meeting. It is otiose and anachronistic stuff that frankly all looks a bit like nonsense.
One purpose of God is as a device to control people.
It is not possible to see God as anything more than a sort of infinite projection of ourselves or our mental consciousness to cosmic or trans-cosmic scales.
Human intelligence is good at such projection,
whether onto fictional characters, or Einstein imagining himself on a frame moving with a light beam, or onto suppositional beings such as gods. What God then wants, as communicated by God's "righteous representatives" on Earth and their ancient scriptures, is not that different from what people in authority want. Monotheism started from some group of religious and political hustlers who drafted 10 commandments, which occurred of course with no other witnesses, and are meant to be a basis for moulding a society and controlling people.
In growing up we put away childish things.
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A Lamentation on Thanksgiving 2020 Philip Benjamin
Progressive wickedness brings mourning, disgrace, contempt
Awakened consciousness is transcendent, from death to life
Great Awakenings Twice, with the third in order for respite
American-Puritanism-ousting by progressive paganism is rife
Non-pagan regenerated hearts and minds are rare and sparseImago Dei defunct as humanist self is inflated and enthroned
Sudden destruction, a historical imperative, is not off the pace
Man-o-man! How is the gold become dim, most fine gold changed!Philip Benjamin
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[Bruno Marchal]
“Here I’am afraid that you [LC] are a little bit “scientistic”. The serious scientist will rarely emit an opinion in a science in which he has no expertise, and still less in a science which is still taboo today, and this since about 1500 years”.
[Philip Benjamin]
Bio Dark-Matter Chemistry is indeed taboo today. Because, it iplies the possibility of “light” and “dark” twin bodies co-created at the moment of conception. That almost sounds like existence of “spirit’ or “soul”. However, in all ancient languages, Sanskrit, Hebrew, Latin, Greek and even in English, these terms have their etymological roots in “breeze” and “breath”. The ancients observed that when the last breath was gone, the body was dead, So, they figured out that something invisibly “wind-like” is the life- principle. Had they known about dark-matter and its possible chemistries they could have attributed the “soul or spirit” to the “dark twin”.
Electrons have no morality. Nor does any other fundamental particle or configurations thereof. Killing babies (Latin fetuses) in the wombs is very moral for some and immoral for others. The real question here is where in the world is the origin or cause of this sense of morality or sense of any other quale. Its locus in the brain is meaninglessly and preposterously begging the question. Who or what put it in that locus? One cannot isolate these ontic problems from ultimate philosophical issues of aseity and causality. There can be no moral laws without an intrinsic sense of morality. Laws of innately inherent morality demand an ultimate Law Giver. Deep-thinking Philosophers such as Augustine (3 rd- 4 th Centuries) and thoughtful empiricists such as astronomer Galileo Galilei (1564-1642), Puritan scientists such as Michael Faraday (https://www.famousscientists.org/michael-faraday/, 1791 – 1867), with transformed consciousnesses shaped Western Civilization by accepting the aseity of Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural), consistent with the revelatory knowledge of the Patriarchs, Prophets and the Apostles. Those are historical facts which WAMP-the-Ingrate cannot and will not recognize. Rather these stealing-beneficiaries of Augustinian Civilization are rewriting history for self-serving, hideous and hedonistic purposes.
Presuppositional Evidentialist
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[Samiya Illias]
“The Quran repeatedly mentions the nafs……”.
[Philip Benjamin]
The Hindu Puranas mentions “subtle body”. Tao is the unknown Yin-Yang. It does not matter by what name this unknown, “dark” stuff is called or who calls it what or who/what is right. Does this refer to anything intelligent, operating within the visible PHYSICAL human body? If so that “dark body” must also be made in a similar manner as the “light body”, at the moment of conception. The only “manner” available for science is “chemical bonds” which are spin governed configurations of particles—duets and octets.
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On 27 Nov 2020, at 16:32, Lawrence Crowell <goldenfield...@gmail.com> wrote:On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 7:00:54 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com wrote:Socialism is merely a path or should be, and not a goal. Socialism was indeed the primary method by the nazis for social control, for those not relegated to the camps. Later, the Soviets resorted to this softer approach. The Nazis did go big for crony capitalism of which we see plaguing the US today. That Christianity should be blamed for expanding slavery amongst the New World is a fair accusation. That the fact that Islam as a society produced and equally large slave trade, beforehand, and at the same time, and afterwards, is being ignored for ideological reasons, obviously.
At this point Eugene Debs is not on the same socialist road and Brother Bernie, nor, Kamala, nor, AOC, nor, congresswoman Rashida, and so forth, Plus. like the Deutschlanders the deutschlanders of the period, also do what democrats and republican representatives now do, represent the very wealthy.Republicans- (note, the zero in the column indicates the other side)To think that Biden and Harris are radical socialists is absurd. Biden has been a centrist democrat his entire political career and Harris has been a pretty centrist prosecutor. To think these two are even in line with Bernie Sanders is wrong,
where Sanders is really about in line is a center-left political party in Europe.
I think this is a relative thing, where as the American political center has gone further right what was once the center is now seen as radical left. A GOP congressman a few years back even said Reagan was too socialist. Given the trajectory of things do not be surprised if next decade t'Rump is called to leftist by the right wing.
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On 28 Nov 2020, at 20:44, Lawrence Crowell <goldenfield...@gmail.com> wrote:Wow, if this is not a great compendium of nonsense! I can't vouch for the publications, and the Researchgate is not itself a gatekeeping organization.I have utterly no idea what is meant by dark chemistry. Dark matter is only inferred through gravitational lensing effects.
We have no idea what this is and how it fits into the spectrum of known elementary particles. It does not appear to interact at all strongly with anything, including itself. As a result we have no idea of what it is, and to speculate on dark chemistry and worse dark biology is absurd.
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On 12/8/2020 6:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> I certainly do not think that Trump is a republican at all. He is a
> criminal con artist escaping forward, and all his “opinion” seems just
> opportunistic. He is simply not a politician, nor a business man, but
> a con salesman, I would say. He is very dangerous, because he does not
> care about anything but himself. He seems to me to be a narcissist,
> perhaps even a psychopath. That the GOP continues to fear him after he
> loss the election is a bit of a mystery to me…
makes up some 40% of registered Republicans. Any Republican who offends
40% of his voters by saying a negative word about The Don is assuring
his defeat in the next election. The mystery is why that 40% worships
Trump like a demi-god? But then people worshipped Hitler too? My
theory is that he expresses their hatred of minorities, immigrants, and
educated elites and exemplifies someone who is as bigoted and ignorant
as they are and yet is rich and powerful.
Brent
PGC
On 27 Nov 2020, at 16:32, Lawrence Crowell <goldenfield...@gmail.com> wrote:On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 7:00:54 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com wrote:Socialism is merely a path or should be, and not a goal. Socialism was indeed the primary method by the nazis for social control, for those not relegated to the camps. Later, the Soviets resorted to this softer approach. The Nazis did go big for crony capitalism of which we see plaguing the US today. That Christianity should be blamed for expanding slavery amongst the New World is a fair accusation. That the fact that Islam as a society produced and equally large slave trade, beforehand, and at the same time, and afterwards, is being ignored for ideological reasons, obviously.
At this point Eugene Debs is not on the same socialist road and Brother Bernie, nor, Kamala, nor, AOC, nor, congresswoman Rashida, and so forth, Plus. like the Deutschlanders the deutschlanders of the period, also do what democrats and republican representatives now do, represent the very wealthy.Republicans- (note, the zero in the column indicates the other side)To think that Biden and Harris are radical socialists is absurd. Biden has been a centrist democrat his entire political career and Harris has been a pretty centrist prosecutor. To think these two are even in line with Bernie Sanders is wrong,Right.Er … I mean OK!where Sanders is really about in line is a center-left political party in Europe.I would say that even for an European, Sanders is very leftist, but of course, we can always find more extreme extremists.
I think this is a relative thing, where as the American political center has gone further right what was once the center is now seen as radical left. A GOP congressman a few years back even said Reagan was too socialist. Given the trajectory of things do not be surprised if next decade t'Rump is called to leftist by the right wing.I like to joke that Trump is at the extreme left. You need this to leak so much the boots of Putin, and envy Kim-Young-Un…I certainly do not think that Trump is a republican at all. He is a criminal con artist escaping forward, and all his “opinion” seems just opportunistic. He is simply not a politician, nor a business man, but a con salesman, I would say. He is very dangerous, because he does not care about anything but himself. He seems to me to be a narcissist, perhaps even a psychopath. That the GOP continues to fear him after he loss the election is a bit of a mystery to me…Exercice: show that if Trump is Turing Universal and arithmetically soundl, then he cannot be Löbian. Hint: remind that I defined Intelligence is a large sense of being consistent (<>t, ~[]f). This should be an easy exercise if you remember the simplest theory of intelligence that I gave some years ago.
A Löbian would not be able to believe their own consistency/Intelligence (<>t, ~[]f). For if they did, they would believe []f -> f, leading to contradiction. Therefore asserting his intelligence/consistency, which Trump constantly does, makes him inconsistent and not Löbian.
I don’t know. Maybe Lawrence or the others can find a clearer/better way of doing this. I’m not satisfied somehow but unfortunately have only 5 minutes… Being inconsistent he can prove anything including his own consistency. That’s like trusting the truthfulness of a man who claims he never lies and says things like “Am I wrong? Am I wrong?”.
Lawrence Crowell
On 28 Nov 2020, at 20:44, Lawrence Crowell <goldenfield...@gmail.com> wrote:Wow, if this is not a great compendium of nonsense! I can't vouch for the publications, and the Researchgate is not itself a gatekeeping organization.I have utterly no idea what is meant by dark chemistry. Dark matter is only inferred through gravitational lensing effects.OK, but I guess you agree that it has been “discovered” to explain the anormal speed of the stars (even more when they are in the extremity of the spiral arms). Then we have detected some lensing effects which can be explained again only with the presence of some invisible matter, like Drake matter seems to be.
We have no idea what this is and how it fits into the spectrum of known elementary particles. It does not appear to interact at all strongly with anything, including itself. As a result we have no idea of what it is, and to speculate on dark chemistry and worse dark biology is absurd.I agree. Some people like to invent theories based on what we don’t understand. It helps them to make such theories hard to refute and test. “Dark” means that we see the effect, without any clue about what that can cause those effects. One thing seems to be well verified: the galaxies seems to be distributed on cosmic filament following that “dark matter”…Bruno
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Philip Benjamin Wednesday, December 9, 2020 1:53 PM general...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: {Consciousness-Online} Re: A Lamentation on Thanksgiving 2020
[spudboy100 ]
“…..So, why no dark matter chemistry, based on axions, unless the physics of the universe forbid it?... Maybe there is dark matter life out there, based on candidate particles for dark matter?”
[Brent Meeker]
“The fear isn't a mystery. It derives from his cult-like following……”
[Philip Benjamin]
Is an evidential scientific explanation of “conscious” behaviors possible? When behaviors are involved historical records of civilizations and cultures are valuable, since both influence and guide conscious individual behavior patterns. “Conscious” refers to “consciousness”. Western and Eastern Civilizations were (not are!) once characteristically different. There was a pulling out of the West from Greco-Roman paganism of a kundalini/reptilian, “un-awakened consciousness” into a transformed, “awakened consciousness” which began with the Athenian Mars Hill discourse of Rabbi Saul of Tarsus (Acts chapter 17). Here the civilized Greco-Roman pagan view of the “unknown god” was identified as Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural), attested with the Patriarchal, Prophetic and Apostolic revelatory imprimatur and confirmed by the post-Resurrection experience of Saul of Tarsus.
The chief architect of that “transformation” of the West was Augustine (3 rd & 4 th Centuries). He was once a scholarly Phoenician profligate pagan of Greco-Roman roots, but instantly “transformed” through the instrumentality of a child’s song (https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine). Subsequently he “baptized” the whole of Western Platonism into Scriptural norms and gave those tools to the civil and ecclesiastical governances of those days, thus “transforming” the West as a whole.” That laid the groundwork for modern science and technology, since Augustine changed the universe from “unknowable” Greco-Roman mystic, superstitious paganism to a “knowable” reality. Soon theology (of Theos) replaced religion (religare = yoke, bind) and became the “queen of sciences”, since a proficiency in all known sciences, knowledge and languages was a prerequisite for admission to Theological Seminaries. [There was a time when the most scholarly and erudite folks were the Clergy].
How can this “transformation” of an invisible entity called” consciousness” be explicable in scientific terms. The only candidate now available for science is bio dark-matter with its bio dark-matter chemistry (i.e. chemical bonds which are spin governed configurations of particles—duets and octets). What astrophysical light-matter (mainly H & He) is to biospherical light-matter (92+ elements of the Periodic Table) is what astrophysical dark matter is to biospherical dark-matter. Axions, monopoles, neutrinos are plausible constituents of dark-matter atoms, of negligible masses with respect to that of electron. However, the ratios of masses of dark-matter atomic constituents will be the same as those of light-matter atomic components.
Such chemistries show the prospects of cocreation of RESONANT light-matter and dark-matter twins at the moment of conception. Resonance is rudimentary recognition and could be the basis of self-awareness or self-consciousness where, the “self” is no more some mystical imagination but a reality that is knowable. The light-matter body is electric, entropic and transient, while the dark-matter twin is non-electric, non-entropic and enduring. The Augustinian theological question of after-life then becomes a question of postmortem survival of the dark-matter twin. The intrinsic “transformation of consciousness” will have to be by an extrinsic source of energy which in Augustinian “Confessions” is the Spirit of Adonai of the Scriptures.
From a dark-biosphere viewpoint, there are only two kinds of people: 1. Pagans with the atavistic, kundalini/reptilian, un-awakened consciousness; 2. Non-pagans with transformed, Augustinian consciousness. That is an irreconcilable division, constantly at war. Augustinian West in general and Puritan America in particular were once predominantly non-pagan, but no more. Socialist-Marxist-Fascist-Progressive authoritarianism is increasingly dominant in politics, businesses, bureaucracies, media and academia which are now simply the stealing beneficiaries of an Augustinian civilization.
Philip Benjamin
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Hi Benjamin,? …… the nazis would cut off their social programs to the families of anyone who protested. Thus, the German retirement funding, free medical care, or care in old age homes would be denied to the families of anyone loud enough to complain. Also, the Adolf Hitler fund was started by Krupp Steel secretly, in 1929, to ensure the control of Adolf--which to their surprise never occurred. The tail did indeed wag the dog……
So, why no dark matter chemistry, based on axions, unless the physics of the universe forbid it? Multiverses ar ok with me, as long as they are true. An infinite universe is also fine with me, because what am I do do if I don't approve, text my Congress-creature? Right now the surrounding cosmos seems dead am empty, and unless improved telescopes, or a CERN thing, it's quiet, except for stellar phenomena and quite sterile. Maybe there is dark matter life out there, based on candidate particles for dark matter?
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There are ideas of there being a parallel "dark universe" of particles, which have even dark photons. However, if a lot of dark photons are emitted the dark matter halos of galaxies and galactic clusters would lose energy and decrease in volume.
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On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:15, PGC <multipl...@gmail.com> wrote:On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 3:12:09 PM UTC+1 Bruno Marchal wrote:On 27 Nov 2020, at 16:32, Lawrence Crowell <goldenfield...@gmail.com> wrote:On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 7:00:54 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com wrote:Socialism is merely a path or should be, and not a goal. Socialism was indeed the primary method by the nazis for social control, for those not relegated to the camps. Later, the Soviets resorted to this softer approach. The Nazis did go big for crony capitalism of which we see plaguing the US today. That Christianity should be blamed for expanding slavery amongst the New World is a fair accusation. That the fact that Islam as a society produced and equally large slave trade, beforehand, and at the same time, and afterwards, is being ignored for ideological reasons, obviously.
At this point Eugene Debs is not on the same socialist road and Brother Bernie, nor, Kamala, nor, AOC, nor, congresswoman Rashida, and so forth, Plus. like the Deutschlanders the deutschlanders of the period, also do what democrats and republican representatives now do, represent the very wealthy.Republicans- (note, the zero in the column indicates the other side)To think that Biden and Harris are radical socialists is absurd. Biden has been a centrist democrat his entire political career and Harris has been a pretty centrist prosecutor. To think these two are even in line with Bernie Sanders is wrong,Right.Er … I mean OK!where Sanders is really about in line is a center-left political party in Europe.I would say that even for an European, Sanders is very leftist, but of course, we can always find more extreme extremists.Right. Depends really on the Europeans. Check out Yanis Varoufakis. He makes Sanders look center-left.
I think this is a relative thing, where as the American political center has gone further right what was once the center is now seen as radical left. A GOP congressman a few years back even said Reagan was too socialist. Given the trajectory of things do not be surprised if next decade t'Rump is called to leftist by the right wing.I like to joke that Trump is at the extreme left. You need this to leak so much the boots of Putin, and envy Kim-Young-Un…I certainly do not think that Trump is a republican at all. He is a criminal con artist escaping forward, and all his “opinion” seems just opportunistic. He is simply not a politician, nor a business man, but a con salesman, I would say. He is very dangerous, because he does not care about anything but himself. He seems to me to be a narcissist, perhaps even a psychopath. That the GOP continues to fear him after he loss the election is a bit of a mystery to me…Exercice: show that if Trump is Turing Universal and arithmetically soundl, then he cannot be Löbian. Hint: remind that I defined Intelligence is a large sense of being consistent (<>t, ~[]f). This should be an easy exercise if you remember the simplest theory of intelligence that I gave some years ago.A Löbian would not be able to believe their own consistency/Intelligence (<>t, ~[]f). For if they did, they would believe []f -> f, leading to contradiction.
Therefore asserting his intelligence/consistency, which Trump constantly does, makes him inconsistent and not Löbian.
I don’t know.
Maybe Lawrence or the others can find a clearer/better way of doing this. I’m not satisfied somehow but unfortunately have only 5 minutes… Being inconsistent he can prove anything including his own consistency. That’s like trusting the truthfulness of a man who claims he never lies and says things like “Am I wrong? Am I wrong?”.
As for Brent's mystery of why that 40% worships Trump like a demi-god: Social media profiting off of high levels of engagement that right wing, conspiracy theory, disinformation peddlers take advantage off (probably since Palin, I mean McCain wasn't like that + still consistent republican), which is a ubiquitous huge digital advertising/ money-making click machine + liberals' inability to raise incomes for the folks that don't earn enough and a million other things, e.g. education, civic engagement, pandemic…PGC
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On 11 Dec 2020, at 03:06, spudb...@aol.com wrote:Well, Bruno, I could send you via email videos taken by say by American Andy Ngo or those supplied to him concerning democrat (antifa+blm) actions (videos) in US cities. Having said this, you likely will discard these out of hand as exceptions to the rule, or Rightwing paid agit-props actors sent in to make the democratic socialists "look bad," or claim it is merely computer graphics. So, I shall spare you this because its a lot to ask somebody to change their mind on an issue unless they become concerned about the future, their future. Call it human nature. The only reason that I would, is I would've sent you innumerable examples of dem violence against the rest of us.If you thought the donald was a narcissist, so what? He is simply NOT an attorney, as most politicians are in the US. These people were raised on Niccolo Machiavelli's The Prince, while Mr. Ego was raised in NYC and making a buck. Different style, because the lawyer-maniacs know what they want to do to sell themselves to a "never too choosy public." NOW (i suspect) That Joe, all of a sudden in the US media, is being focused on with he and his families dealings with Comrade Xi. $$$. My suspicion is whomever is running the dem party, is now looking, like their Republican opponents have, in impeaching Joe, and sliding Kamala, his vice presidential running mate, into Office! If true, and I don't know, the reminds me of Hitler winning a near tie in the 1932 election, and just waiting for Hindenburg to die. Yeah, under the old Weimar republic. Is this occurring now? Well, the timing of this is most curious.For you personally as a EU member, I would urge you to look to your own interests specifically, for survival's sake. I wouldn't bet on Joe, and definitely NOT Kamala to assist you in any situation that you may need help in, such as Putin, or China (somehow) or nukes going off between iran and Israel. Nor, an outbreak from Nato member, Turkey or a dozen other nightmares emerging into our world from Platonic space/Phase space. Charity begins at home and your home especially. Remember, we were the land that declared isolation right after The Great War.OR-things could get better, the Plague will resolve, the economy will boom globally, and peace will bloom.
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Subject: Re: A Lamentation on Thanksgiving 2020
The old centrist Joe is long gone and he will do whatever is asked of him.
I don’t know that. I usually evaluate people after the job, not before. Even Trump. I thought he would not win the election. His 2016 campaign was enough full of frightening statement, and indecent commentaries, but he won, and I decide to let him a chance… But was quickly confirmed that he was as grave as the statements he made during his campaign, including his praise for Putin, and his already anti-democratic stances.It has been a relief for me that the Supreme Court dismiss Trump’s case in Pennsylvania (even Barret and Kavanaugh. Good points for them!).
Socialists, not socialism. At any rate the country is I believe, forever divided.
17 states (their Attorney General) seem to follow Texas in the attempt to overrule democracy in the “swing state”. I hope that the Supreme Court will dismiss this as expeditiously than the Pennsylvania case...I have took some time to find just one serious evidence of rigged election, but I found nothing. I found only one dead voter, and he (she, actually) voted for Trump. The other alleged dead people were all alive and well...Why do those “republicans” fear so much Trump? Especially after he lost the election? I think I still miss something, except for Lindsey Graham, who seem to be hostage of the Russians after they hacked his computer.It would be important to make illegal any demand for loyalty by a member of a government (if not by a boss in a private society), because that is something belonging to mafia and dictatorship.Like I feared, the US is not divided into republican and democrat, but between people in needed of a “Father” (a tyrannic leader) and people defending democracy, the rules of law and the constitution.Trump is a narcissist, and perhaps a sociopath. But I guess many people like him because he behaves like a 4 years old kid, and I guess people find that cute…Trump is probably better for the economy, and for the Middle-east politics, except that there too, his betrayal of the Kurds is hard to forgive…But I prefer an honest opponent, than a dishonest guy even if he share my ideas. Especially if he shares my ideas.
It is Kamala-Joe's turn at bat so let us see what happens?
OK.
If the people that funded that campaign are any indication, specifically social media, there is little hope for the Bill of Rights to survive. We have censorship all over now with FB, Google, Twitter, and yes, academics, your campuses.I would be for wiping out student debt, but not sans, freedom of speech, effectively eliminated by taxpayer funded universities.
I believe in the freedom of general opinion, but I fight since long against “complete free-speech”. Nobody has the right to defame or lie on people or group of people. So, I do applaud when Twitter and Facebook try to suppress the hate-pages or the hate-groups, because nobody needs this, and it is often the sources of violence.BTW, the fact that the Trumpers threaten violently the Republicans who called the election for Biden (like in Georgia) confirms how much those people have stopped to think, and how much they let their emotions drive their actions, and that is bad, very bad, in any social context, and perhaps also in the private life.Bruno
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