The Handmaid's Tale

[John Clark]

The new US supreme court nominee will be Amy Coney Barrett, and she is just the sort of person you would expect, a religious crockpot. She is a member of an extreme right wing Catholic cult called "The People of Praise"; they speak in tongues, believe in biblical prophecy, and in divine healing. Members of the cult swear a lifetime oath of allegiance to one another and are assigned a ideology coach called a “head” for men and a “HANDMAID” for women to make sure nobody strays from the official dogma. The "heads" and "handmaids" issue orders on who to date, who to marry, where to live, whether to take a job, whether to buy a home, and how to raise children. Part of the ideology of People of Praise is that husbands should give orders to their wives and only men should have authority over the family.

During her confirmation hearing in 2017 to be a federal judge Barrett said  "I take my faith seriously and I’m a faithful Catholic". In 2013 she said: "I tend to agree with those who say that a Justice’s duty is to the Constitution and that it is thus more legitimate for her to enforce her best understanding of the Constitution rather than a precedent she thinks clearly in conflict with it"; and as a judge she approved a Indiana law banning abortions of a deformed fetus (although her opinion was later overturned by a higher court and the Indiana law ruled unconstitutional). So when she is approved Roe v. Wade Will be as dead as a doornail and we're back to the 1950's and coathanger abortions. Barrett also criticized Chief Justice Roberts for his opinion that saved Obama’s Affordable Care Act; so in the middle of a global pandemic the health care coverage of tens of millions of people will be as dead as a doornail too when she hears her first case on October 10.

To those who claim Barrett's religious views will not effect her legal opinions I will remind you that in 2006 she said  “If you can keep in mind that your fundamental purpose in life is not to be a lawyer, but to know, love and serve God, you truly will be a different kind of lawyer.” Amy Coney Barret would also be the youngest justice on the bench, so she could be around for many decades.

John K Clark

[Bruno Marchal]

What does keep me awake at night is that Trump has the Senate, the AG on his side, and now even the Supreme Court. 

Even before the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, I was not sure how could possibly Trump fail to keep power in November. 

Barr exonerated Trump after Mueller Reports (through a big lie) on his 2016 cheating, and then the Republican Senators acquitted him for his cheating in the 2020 election (involving Ukraine). 

That last one was pitiful, as the Republicans did mock all the evidences as being just “second-hand evidences” and then when they got the opportunity to listen to the first-hand evidences, they dismissed it entirely.

The last remaining hope for democracy (in the US and thus plausibly in the whole world) *was* that Trump (who will never say that he lost the election, right?) would have been obliged at some point to go to the Courts, and to the Supreme Court, and, with Ruth B. Ginsburg, the court could have ruled against Trump, but now, it looks there is no hope at all.

Trump has a powerful support from all the international criminals, not mentioning his friends Putin, Erdogan, Kim-Youn-Un, and many others.

I have never been a fan of the Leftists (so ignorant, notably on the Middle-East situation), but I have not, for one second, believe that Trump has the interest of the American people in mind.

We have to say that Trump is a pretty brilliant con man; he is an expert liar. 

And he will never leave the power. He hates to much the looser to be one, and, for him, the difference is between being free and above the law, or going to jail. He will do *anything* to not, never, leave the Power.

Amy is extreme right wing conservative, we will see if she will defend her faith, or her ideology, like the evangelist who admit Trump is everything except a believer, but still vote for him for his promise against abortion, and similar, and I suppose she would know that, and introspect herself a little bit, and be honest. The Indiana action gives a bit of hope, thanks…

I say this to keep an atom of hope ,and that we are not witnessing the end of democracy, and the end of the rules of law, in the US and then everywhere, which would lead to a millenium more of obscurantism.

Democracy (like today in the US, Israel and Europa) is basically the only progress in the applied human sciences since the closure of Plato Academy. I think that if we lose democracy, we will regress far more than up to 1950, I’m afraid.

The vote of November in the US is not about left/right, but really between democracy/tyranny. 

Tyran never accepts a defavorable election result, and Trump warn us everyday, and prepare us, to "a fait accompli” with the outrageous help of his AG (Barr). 

His incapacity to defend the idea of a peaceful transition, in case he loses, is an admission. Even in his 2016 campaign, he said already that he will accept the result of the vote … if he win.

Bruno

John K Clark

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The daily assaults by the democrat's Vanguard of the Proletariat, and we can go onto twitter and view these, performed by BLMTifa upon average Americans seems to (I am guessing) sewn the election up for Orange Dude. I read the Handmaids tale years ago, and looked at the video presentations of the book, and noted that the author, Margaret Atwood, and saw the differences in premise. In Atwood's book, it was the annihilation of modern civilization that sent the world backwards, and that dark age was brought upon by a nuclear war, tween, Reagan's American, and the old USSR. The filmed version was changed to reflect pollution as the villain, and now the series is to reflect a climate change disaster.

 By the way, Bruno, remember, as I know you must all the claims from physicists that a nuclear war will ensue if NATO placed Pershing missiles in western Europe to counteract the Soviets placing mobile SS-18's & 20's. This threat of Nuclear Winter was also served to us, by the single-sided disarmament groups (Pro-Soviets). So, we'd not only be incinerated in a nuclear fire but we'd also be frozen to death after we were all already dead.Some of these were scientists who promoted this, indicating to me, that scientist's political leanings can overcome their best analytical capacities.

In the US, the democrats (I used to be a life-long one!) has given themselves up to a shared, autocratic form of government (I assert) that is simply a Junta composed of street Stalinists, who seem to be funded by Crony Capitalist billionaires. It's also, at least here in the States, similar, to their take on Climate Change which unlike the EU isn't focusing on Green Hydrogen as a replacement energy form (initiated by wind turbines at Sea), and have nothing but opposition to say, uranium fission, or natural gas. Nothing will keep their cities and states lighted, except wishing thinking on their part. I will always take a callous, rationalist, like Orange Dude, over psychotic, idealists, that my democrats have become. The true dystopia is not Atwood's HandMaids, but the democrat areas, where their fascists run the streets. Portland is still afire...

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[Alan Grayson]

On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 12:51:23 AM UTC-6, spudb...@aol.com wrote:

The daily assaults by the democrat's Vanguard of the Proletariat, and we can go onto twitter and view these, performed by BLMTifa upon average Americans seems to (I am guessing) sewn the election up for Orange Dude. I read the Handmaids tale years ago, and looked at the video presentations of the book, and noted that the author, Margaret Atwood, and saw the differences in premise. In Atwood's book, it was the annihilation of modern civilization that sent the world backwards, and that dark age was brought upon by a nuclear war, tween, Reagan's American, and the old USSR. The filmed version was changed to reflect pollution as the villain, and now the series is to reflect a climate change disaster.

 By the way, Bruno, remember, as I know you must all the claims from physicists that a nuclear war will ensue if NATO placed Pershing missiles in western Europe to counteract the Soviets placing mobile SS-18's & 20's. This threat of Nuclear Winter was also served to us, by the single-sided disarmament groups (Pro-Soviets). So, we'd not only be incinerated in a nuclear fire but we'd also be frozen to death after we were all already dead.Some of these were scientists who promoted this, indicating to me, that scientist's political leanings can overcome their best analytical capacities.

In the US, the democrats (I used to be a life-long one!) has given themselves up to a shared, autocratic form of government (I assert) that is simply a Junta composed of street Stalinists, who seem to be funded by Crony Capitalist billionaires. It's also, at least here in the States, similar, to their take on Climate Change which unlike the EU isn't focusing on Green Hydrogen as a replacement energy form (initiated by wind turbines at Sea), and have nothing but opposition to say, uranium fission, or natural gas. Nothing will keep their cities and states lighted, except wishing thinking on their part. I will always take a callous, rationalist, like Orange Dude, over psychotic, idealists, that my democrats have become. The true dystopia is not Atwood's HandMaids, but the democrat areas, where their fascists run the streets. Portland is still afire...

Democrats as psychotic idealists? I think you're in dire need of emergency brain surgery. Can you describe a single police reform the US federal government has approved under Trump since Floyd was murdered in plain sight? AG 

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[Lawrence Crowell]

The GOP is interested in rushing this through so Don-the-Con t'Rump has a 6 to 3 "voting block" on SCOTUS. A point of concern are state legislatures overruling the popular vote and appointing Trump electors or simply throwing out results. This could well happen in red states that turn blue. There could then be states not returning electors or with state legislatures that may appoint GOP electors. This would then go to the SCOTUS and t'Rump has a near guarantee of a rubber stamp approval. This is a big reason for this rush. The GOP leaders, including McConnell, know t'Rump is at 40-43% with Biden 55% or so. This is a huge gap, and only with various shenanigans can they get around this.

If this happens and it sticks I will no longer believe in this country. I will certainly no longer believe in the government and it will be clear the Constitution is shredding material. Even more though I will no longer believe in the American people, where I think for decades there has been a celebration of ignorance, superstition and honoring of brutes. Think of the Rambo films. We will be witnessing the passing of the American Republic, which is as momentous to our age as was the end of the Roman Republic.

LC

[Lawrence Crowell]

[smitra]

On 27-09-2020 00:05, John Clark wrote:
> The new US supreme court nominee will be Amy Coney Barrett, and she is
> just the sort of person you would expect, a religious crockpot. She is
> a member of an extreme right wing Catholic cult called "The People of
> Praise"; they speak in tongues, believe in biblical prophecy, and in
> divine healing. Members of the cult swear a lifetime oath of
> allegiance to one another and are assigned a ideology coach called a
> “head” for men and a “HANDMAID” for women to make sure nobody
> strays from the official dogma. The "heads" and "handmaids" issue
> orders on who to date, who to marry, where to live, whether to take a
> job, whether to buy a home, and how to raise children. Part of the
> ideology of People of Praise is that husbands should give orders to
> their wives and only men should have authority over the family.
>
> During her confirmation hearing in 2017 to be a federal judge Barrett

> said "_I take my faith seriously and I’m a faithful Catholic_". In
> 2013 she said: "_I tend to agree with those who say that a Justice’s

> duty is to the Constitution and that it is thus more legitimate for
> her to enforce her best understanding of the Constitution rather than

> a precedent she thinks clearly in conflict with it_"; and as a judge

> she approved a Indiana law banning abortions of a deformed fetus
> (although her opinion was later overturned by a higher court and the
> Indiana law ruled unconstitutional). So when she is approved Roe v.
> Wade Will be as dead as a doornail and we're back to the 1950's and
> coathanger abortions. Barrett also criticized Chief Justice Roberts
> for his opinion that saved Obama’s Affordable Care Act; so in the
> middle of a global pandemic the health care coverage of tens of
> millions of people will be as dead as a doornail too when she hears
> her first case on October 10.
>
> To those who claim Barrett's religious views will not effect her legal

> opinions I will remind you that in 2006 she said “_If you can keep

> in mind that your fundamental purpose in life is not to be a lawyer,
> but to know, love and serve God, you truly will be a different kind of

> lawyer._” Amy Coney Barret would also be the youngest justice on the

> bench, so she could be around for many decades.
>
> John K Clark

It's now up to the US population to vote the GOP out of office, so that
the Democrats get control over both the Senate and the House. The Senate
can then abolish the filibuster, giving them the room to pack the
SCOTUS. The mere threat of packing the SCOTUS can be enough for the
SCOTUS to stick to the law and not make political rulings. The Democrats
can also make laws explicitly legalizing abortion and making Obamacare
immune to getting overturned on legal technicalities. For example, they
can replace the individual mandate by a tax, so that SCOTUS does not
have to consider whether it's proper to interpret the individual mandate
as a tax.

If the Congress removes legal ambiguities the conservatives have raised,
and the law still gets overturned, then it's clear that the real problem
lies not with purely legal issues but with the SCOTUS acting as an
unelected secondary Senate, the remedy for that is to pack the SCOTUS
with non-political Justices and perhaps also to start impeaching
Justices who are incapable of keeping their political preferences out of
their legal opinions.

Saibal

[John Clark]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:22 PM Lawrence Crowell <goldenfield...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I will no longer believe in the American people, where I think for decades there has been a celebration of ignorance,
 superstition and honoring of brutes

In defense of the American people, they never wanted Donald Trump they clearly wanted Hillary Clinton in 2016,
but in our lunatics system the American people don't get the vote for their president, only the 538 members of the
Electoral College have the right to vote for a president, and 304 of them lost their mind and voted for Donald.

The Republicans always end up on top despite the wishes of the people because of deep flaws that have been in the US Constitution from the very beginning. Small states tend to be rural, conservative and Republican, and the 22 smallest states have a combined population that is 2.4 million fewer than the number of people who live in just one state, California; and yet those states have 44 senators but California only has 2. And those 22 small states have 98 electoral votes combined while California, even though it has a larger population, only has 55.

That's why 12 million more people voted for Democratic senators than Republican senators in the last election, and yet the Republicans actually increased their majority in the Senate. And that's why the Democrats won the popular vote in 4 of the last 5 Presidential elections and yet we've had a republican president for 12 of the last 20 years. This sort of thing causes resentment, and sooner or later resentment will produce consequences. like court packing as one of the milder examples. 

John K Clark

 

[Brent Meeker]

On 9/28/2020 9:22 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote:

The GOP is interested in rushing this through so Don-the-Con t'Rump has a 6 to 3 "voting block" on SCOTUS. A point of concern are state legislatures overruling the popular vote and appointing Trump electors or simply throwing out results. This could well happen in red states that turn blue. There could then be states not returning electors or with state legislatures that may appoint GOP electors. This would then go to the SCOTUS

Would it?  The Constitution provides that if no candidate gets a majority of the electoral votes, then the House will elect the President from among the top three receiving electoral votes.  In this election each state gets one vote...so Repugs would carry the vote.  Similarly, the Senate selects a Vice President. 

I don't see SCOTUS having any part in this and given their make up they certainly will have no motive to intervene.

Brent

and t'Rump has a near guarantee of a rubber stamp approval. This is a big reason for this rush. The GOP leaders, including McConnell, know t'Rump is at 40-43% with Biden 55% or so. This is a huge gap, and only with various shenanigans can they get around this.

If this happens and it sticks I will no longer believe in this country. I will certainly no longer believe in the government and it will be clear the Constitution is shredding material. Even more though I will no longer believe in the American people, where I think for decades there has been a celebration of ignorance, superstition and honoring of brutes. Think of the Rambo films. We will be witnessing the passing of the American Republic, which is as momentous to our age as was the end of the Roman Republic.

LC

On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 5:05:38 PM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

The new US supreme court nominee will be Amy Coney Barrett, and she is just the sort of person you would expect, a religious crockpot. She is a member of an extreme right wing Catholic cult called "The People of Praise"; they speak in tongues, believe in biblical prophecy, and in divine healing. Members of the cult swear a lifetime oath of allegiance to one another and are assigned a ideology coach called a “head” for men and a “HANDMAID” for women to make sure nobody strays from the official dogma. The "heads" and "handmaids" issue orders on who to date, who to marry, where to live, whether to take a job, whether to buy a home, and how to raise children. Part of the ideology of People of Praise is that husbands should give orders to their wives and only men should have authority over the family.

During her confirmation hearing in 2017 to be a federal judge Barrett said  "I take my faith seriously and I’m a faithful Catholic". In 2013 she said: "I tend to agree with those who say that a Justice’s duty is to the Constitution and that it is thus more legitimate for her to enforce her best understanding of the Constitution rather than a precedent she thinks clearly in conflict with it"; and as a judge she approved a Indiana law banning abortions of a deformed fetus (although her opinion was later overturned by a higher court and the Indiana law ruled unconstitutional). So when she is approved Roe v. Wade Will be as dead as a doornail and we're back to the 1950's and coathanger abortions. Barrett also criticized Chief Justice Roberts for his opinion that saved Obama’s Affordable Care Act; so in the middle of a global pandemic the health care coverage of tens of millions of people will be as dead as a doornail too when she hears her first case on October 10.

To those who claim Barrett's religious views will not effect her legal opinions I will remind you that in 2006 she said  “If you can keep in mind that your fundamental purpose in life is not to be a lawyer, but to know, love and serve God, you truly will be a different kind of lawyer.” Amy Coney Barret would also be the youngest justice on the bench, so she could be around for many decades.

John K Clark

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[Alan Grayson]

On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 1:30:56 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:

On 9/28/2020 9:22 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote:

The GOP is interested in rushing this through so Don-the-Con t'Rump has a 6 to 3 "voting block" on SCOTUS. A point of concern are state legislatures overruling the popular vote and appointing Trump electors or simply throwing out results. This could well happen in red states that turn blue. There could then be states not returning electors or with state legislatures that may appoint GOP electors. This would then go to the SCOTUS

Would it?  The Constitution provides that if no candidate gets a majority of the electoral votes, then the House will elect the President from among the top three receiving electoral votes.  In this election each state gets one vote...so Repugs would carry the vote.  Similarly, the Senate selects a Vice President. 

I don't see SCOTUS having any part in this and given their make up they certainly will have no motive to intervene.

Brent

The drop-dead date for the EC to vote (it never actually meets) is Dec 14, not Jan 2 when the new congress convenes. The D's would likely prefer the NEW House to vote for President, even though their electoral victory on Nov 3 might not be sufficient to defeat Trump). But my point is that the D's will likely object to the Dec 14 date, and since it's in FEDERAL statutory law (the first Monday after the second Tuesday in Dec), it will surely involve the USSC. In response to LC, the original flaw is not in the American people, but in the flawed document called the Constitution. Our Founders didn't trust "the People", so they invented the EC to prevent a popular vote. Soon we will likely be paying the consequences of this flaw. AG

and t'Rump has a near guarantee of a rubber stamp approval. This is a big reason for this rush. The GOP leaders, including McConnell, know t'Rump is at 40-43% with Biden 55% or so. This is a huge gap, and only with various shenanigans can they get around this.

If this happens and it sticks I will no longer believe in this country. I will certainly no longer believe in the government and it will be clear the Constitution is shredding material. Even more though I will no longer believe in the American people, where I think for decades there has been a celebration of ignorance, superstition and honoring of brutes. Think of the Rambo films. We will be witnessing the passing of the American Republic, which is as momentous to our age as was the end of the Roman Republic.

LC

On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 5:05:38 PM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

The new US supreme court nominee will be Amy Coney Barrett, and she is just the sort of person you would expect, a religious crockpot. She is a member of an extreme right wing Catholic cult called "The People of Praise"; they speak in tongues, believe in biblical prophecy, and in divine healing. Members of the cult swear a lifetime oath of allegiance to one another and are assigned a ideology coach called a “head” for men and a “HANDMAID” for women to make sure nobody strays from the official dogma. The "heads" and "handmaids" issue orders on who to date, who to marry, where to live, whether to take a job, whether to buy a home, and how to raise children. Part of the ideology of People of Praise is that husbands should give orders to their wives and only men should have authority over the family.

During her confirmation hearing in 2017 to be a federal judge Barrett said  "I take my faith seriously and I’m a faithful Catholic". In 2013 she said: "I tend to agree with those who say that a Justice’s duty is to the Constitution and that it is thus more legitimate for her to enforce her best understanding of the Constitution rather than a precedent she thinks clearly in conflict with it"; and as a judge she approved a Indiana law banning abortions of a deformed fetus (although her opinion was later overturned by a higher court and the Indiana law ruled unconstitutional). So when she is approved Roe v. Wade Will be as dead as a doornail and we're back to the 1950's and coathanger abortions. Barrett also criticized Chief Justice Roberts for his opinion that saved Obama’s Affordable Care Act; so in the middle of a global pandemic the health care coverage of tens of millions of people will be as dead as a doornail too when she hears her first case on October 10.

To those who claim Barrett's religious views will not effect her legal opinions I will remind you that in 2006 she said  “If you can keep in mind that your fundamental purpose in life is not to be a lawyer, but to know, love and serve God, you truly will be a different kind of lawyer.” Amy Coney Barret would also be the youngest justice on the bench, so she could be around for many decades.

John K Clark

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[Brent Meeker]

On 9/28/2020 5:07 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:

On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 1:30:56 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:

On 9/28/2020 9:22 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote:

The GOP is interested in rushing this through so Don-the-Con t'Rump has a 6 to 3 "voting block" on SCOTUS. A point of concern are state legislatures overruling the popular vote and appointing Trump electors or simply throwing out results. This could well happen in red states that turn blue. There could then be states not returning electors or with state legislatures that may appoint GOP electors. This would then go to the SCOTUS

Would it?  The Constitution provides that if no candidate gets a majority of the electoral votes, then the House will elect the President from among the top three receiving electoral votes.  In this election each state gets one vote...so Repugs would carry the vote.  Similarly, the Senate selects a Vice President. 

I don't see SCOTUS having any part in this and given their make up they certainly will have no motive to intervene.

Brent

The drop-dead date for the EC to vote (it never actually meets) is Dec 14, not Jan 2 when the new congress convenes. The D's would likely prefer the NEW House to vote for President, even though their electoral victory on Nov 3 might not be sufficient to defeat Trump). But my point is that the D's will likely object to the Dec 14 date, and since it's in FEDERAL statutory law (the first Monday after the second Tuesday in Dec), it will surely involve the USSC. In response to LC, the original flaw is not in the American people, but in the flawed document called the Constitution. Our Founders didn't trust "the People", so they invented the EC to prevent a popular vote. Soon we will likely be paying the consequences of this flaw. AG

The Founders weren't aiming to prevent a popular vote (of propertied white males).  Their idea was that several states might well put forward a Presidential candidate and the electoral college would function the way party conventions used to...with bargaining and vote swapping.  The founders didn't even foresee that the voting structure would force a two-party system.

Brent

[PGC]

From the shores of a crumbling Europe, given all the biases electoral college and gerrymandering you guys face, it's hard to imagine the self-described gaffe machine as the only candidate with "appeal" to the broad middle class. I use quotes because appeal seems too strong: Biden, even with the heartbreaking family histories, narratives of perseverance, and middle class origins doesn't convey a hint of euphoria. If people vote for him, it's because he's the lesser evil rather than someone that inspires folks. 

Every time I see him grab the microphone, I cross my fingers for him to complete the sentence and look coherent, and although he may have a history as being proficient at debates and dealing with international dictators, the prospect of him debating Trump doesn't inspire confidence; especially given his performance at the democratic debates. Obama's speech on Trump recently had the kind of rhetoric, tone, and charisma that won US voters over. We shall see, but Covid allowed Biden to be spared from campaigning, which could be positive or negative.

More than 200.000 US citizens have lost their lives due to Covid infections in the last 6 months, the economy has close to 14 million folks without jobs, comparable to great depression stats, renewed protests due to Breonna Taylor, and right wing militias preparing takeover scenarios and arming themselves accordingly. Between June and August more than 6 million in gun sales have been documented. Add to all this the statements of late: "If I win, fine. If not, I'll delegitimize the result." and these weeks seem kind of like watching a car crash, where you don't want to look but you have to. PGC  

[PGC]

Assuming the results differ from the polls as much as in 2016, the 7% lead Biden enjoys in the nationwide polls at this point doesn't matter, as he'll still loose. His lead in critical states such as Michigan and Pennsylvania is more modest. Assuming the polls to be correct would flip the picture of course. PGC   

[Lawrence Crowell]

On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 7:07:40 PM UTC-5 agrays...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 1:30:56 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:

On 9/28/2020 9:22 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote:

The GOP is interested in rushing this through so Don-the-Con t'Rump has a 6 to 3 "voting block" on SCOTUS. A point of concern are state legislatures overruling the popular vote and appointing Trump electors or simply throwing out results. This could well happen in red states that turn blue. There could then be states not returning electors or with state legislatures that may appoint GOP electors. This would then go to the SCOTUS

Would it?  The Constitution provides that if no candidate gets a majority of the electoral votes, then the House will elect the President from among the top three receiving electoral votes.  In this election each state gets one vote...so Repugs would carry the vote.  Similarly, the Senate selects a Vice President. 

I don't see SCOTUS having any part in this and given their make up they certainly will have no motive to intervene.

Brent

The drop-dead date for the EC to vote (it never actually meets) is Dec 14, not Jan 2 when the new congress convenes. The D's would likely prefer the NEW House to vote for President, even though their electoral victory on Nov 3 might not be sufficient to defeat Trump). But my point is that the D's will likely object to the Dec 14 date, and since it's in FEDERAL statutory law (the first Monday after the second Tuesday in Dec), it will surely involve the USSC. In response to LC, the original flaw is not in the American people, but in the flawed document called the Constitution. Our Founders didn't trust "the People", so they invented the EC to prevent a popular vote. Soon we will likely be paying the consequences of this flaw. AG

My point about whether SCOTUS gets involved, is I could imagine they either try to run out the clock or state legislatures invalidate electors. The Constitutionality of that could go before SCOTUS.

LC

[John Clark]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 3:30 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I don't see SCOTUS having any part in this [the election]

I do, and it's happened before, SCOTUS played a huge part in the 2000 election. According to Trump the definition of a free election is one in which he wins, so anything else is obviously a rigged phony illegal election. Trump's lawyers will go to SCOTUS demanding that millions of votes be thrown out or declare that the entire election is null and void. There is little doubt the new ultra conservative religious nutcase that Trump has nominated to be on SCOTUS, even though people are already voting for the next president, will take the side of the other MAGA Hatters on the court.

John K Clark

[spudb...@aol.com]

Don's peeps are not in the streets every night doing arson looting. It's all on your team. But look at it this way, if the US really does a split, you will get to reap the whirlwind in person. 

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[Brent Meeker]

On 9/29/2020 3:53 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

Don's peeps are not in the streets every night doing arson looting.

Neither is anybody else.  That's Faux News.

It's all on your team. But look at it this way, if the US really does a split, you will get to reap the whirlwind in person.

Because the military loves to be suckers and loser?

Brent

[John Clark]

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 6:53 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Don's peeps are not in the streets every night doing arson looting.

 

There would be no trouble in the streets if Don's peeps didn't beat black people and didn't kneel on the neck of one for eight minutes and 15 seconds until he strangled to death, and shot another one while she was sleeping in her bed in her home.  And the amount of damage all that arson and looting that has been occurring "every night" is not even a rounding error compared to the gargantuan amount of economic damage caused by Trump's inept handling of the COVID-19 pandemic. As recently as last night Trump was STILL mocking Joe Biden for wearing a face mask, something that could've saved about 100,000 American lives if Trump and had simply said in January or February that wearing a face mask was the patriotic thing to do, his MAGA Hatter Zombies will do anything he says, but instead he made face masks part of the idiotic culture wars. No other country in the world is wearing a face mask a political statement, but it is in the USA.  

John K Clark

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You are aware that the dem controlled cities have police unions, and the kneeling occurred on Minneapolis, with its police union, democratic socialist city council and democratic mayor? The same with shootings and police brutality across the land. Even the head of the KKK, Richie Spencer, has repeatedly endorsed Joe Biden, because the Republicans are race traitors and no good. Note, I believe that the Kluxers actually tune into CNN constantly saw CNN's constant accusations since 2016 of Orange Man being a Kluxer, and actually believed it!!!  Claiming the political rallies spread covid, while arson, looting, and rioting do not is counterfactual. The disease gets spread, Orange dude has spent billions on masks and ventilators, and now, pharmaceuticals to combat the Wuhan flu. Would Obama or Joe Biden or Hillary have done this? I cannot answer, only that they wouldn't have cut flights from China, because $$  meaning even more deaths.

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Nada, the arsonists and looters find a welcome place within the democratic party. Meanwhile Faux news  lads, Murdock's have funded Joe Biden's 2020 campaign a few mil last I checked. Chris Wallace carried water for Joe in last night's debate. Now one noted example I can provide here. But I remind you that all riots and arson and looting are happening in democratic ruled zones, unabated. The local pols ensure that the crims get released immediately on bail, and do little to suppress the aggression. 

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/08/22/pressley-calls-for-unrest-and-no-dem-will-call-her-out/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/11/democrats-are-trying-appease-left-wing-revolutionaries-it-wont-work/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/2020-us-election-kenosha-riots-jacob-blake-trump-biden-republicans-democrats-a9690896.html

For me, let us see if the democrat zones prosper fail or send their mobs out to attack the suburbs? Right now peeps are fleeing these zones like NY, Cal, Chic, etc. The military, I suspect, will favor continuity over the democrat Junta of crony capitalist oligarchs funding Stalinists in the streets. 

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[John Clark]

On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 3:48 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> You are aware that the dem controlled cities have police unions, and the kneeling occurred on Minneapolis, with its police union,

And police unions are nearly unanimous in their support of Donald Trump not Joe Biden.  

 

> Orange dude has spent billions on masks and ventilators,

For Darwin's sake! Simple cheap low-tech face masks were in short supply way back in February and it's October and they still are! 

 John K Clark

[Kim Jones]

How come nobody talks about ToEs anymore on this list? The genre of conversation and exchanges I daily read here now are no different to Facebook.  A once-great science discussion list - now a pathetic shadow of its former self. You must all be a bunch of sad and lonely types. Well, at least be HONEST : change the name to the "Anything List"

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[Brent Meeker]

On 9/30/2020 1:04 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

Nada, the arsonists and looters find a welcome place within the democratic party.

Just your alternate fact.  No Dem party leader has said anything other than denounce arson and looting.  And at least one guy in Los Angeles recorded walking down the street and breaking windows during the demonstrations over George Floyd's murder was an alt-right sympathizer, just stirring up trouble.

Meanwhile Faux news  lads, Murdock's have funded Joe Biden's 2020 campaign a few mil last I checked. Chris Wallace carried water for Joe in last night's debate. Now one noted example I can provide here. But I remind you that all riots and arson and looting are happening in democratic ruled zones, unabated.

Apparently because Repug ruled zones are in favor of police brutality and shooting unarmed black men.

The local pols ensure that the crims get released immediately on bail, and do little to suppress the aggression. 

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/08/22/pressley-calls-for-unrest-and-no-dem-will-call-her-out/

If it were dumb people being shot by the police you'd probably be for unrest too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/11/democrats-are-trying-appease-left-wing-revolutionaries-it-wont-work/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/2020-us-election-kenosha-riots-jacob-blake-trump-biden-republicans-democrats-a9690896.html

For me, let us see if the democrat zones prosper fail or send their mobs out to attack the suburbs?

The blue states already subsidize the red states.  The FBI has already reported that there is no antifa organization, it's just an attitude...much less an arm of "democrat zones".

Right now peeps are fleeing these zones like NY, Cal, Chic, etc. The military, I suspect, will favor continuity over the democrat Junta of crony capitalist oligarchs funding Stalinists in the streets.

The military will favor their traditional apolitical role.

Brent

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On 9/29/2020 3:53 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

Don's peeps are not in the streets every night doing arson looting.

Neither is anybody else.  That's Faux News.

It's all on your team. But look at it this way, if the US really does a split, you will get to reap the whirlwind in person.

Because the military loves to be suckers and loser?

Brent

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[Russell Standish]

On Thu, Oct 01, 2020 at 07:06:44AM +1000, Kim Jones wrote:
> How come nobody talks about ToEs anymore on this list? The genre of
> conversation and exchanges I daily read here now are no different to Facebook.
> A once-great science discussion list - now a pathetic shadow of its former
> self. You must all be a bunch of sad and lonely types. Well, at least be HONEST
> : change the name to the "Anything List"
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> Kim Jones B.Mus GDTL
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'Twas ever thus - a madness descends on these lists every four years
for around 6 months or so.


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[Philip Thrift]

On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 10:18:19 PM UTC-5 Russell Standish wrote:

On Thu, Oct 01, 2020 at 07:06:44AM +1000, Kim Jones wrote:
> How come nobody talks about ToEs anymore on this list? The genre of
> conversation and exchanges I daily read here now are no different to Facebook.
> A once-great science discussion list - now a pathetic shadow of its former
> self. You must all be a bunch of sad and lonely types. Well, at least be HONEST
> : change the name to the "Anything List"
>
> Kim Jones B.Mus GDTL
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'Twas ever thus - a madness descends on these lists every four years
for around 6 months or so.

If you scroll down the last list of Topics on the web page

       https://groups.google.com/g/everything-list

The Handmaid's Tale

Carlo Rovelli on the relational interpretation of QM

Trump's taxes

Physics and AI with Julia

Topos of Quantum Gravity

Kac-Moody algebra and sporadic and monster groups

AlgebraicJulia

Bob Woodward's new book "Rage"Trump's Rioting zombies

Many Worlds wins another one

Neural networks for physics

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it may seem different.

@philipthrift

 

[John Clark]

On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 5:06 PM Kim Jones <kimj...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> How come nobody talks about ToEs anymore on this list?

Maybe because the theory of everything does it yet exist.

John K Clark

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You have a point regarding the lonely & pathetic perhaps, and of keeping the list, on beam, with questions focused on physics and mathematics. However, as Leon Trotsky quipped, "You may not be interested in war, but War is interested in you!" Thus, the real world interfered with the lives of scientists such as Heisenberg, Turing, Fermi & Einstein. Humans are not only gestated to have cerebrums, but amygdalas as well. ;-D

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[spudb...@aol.com]

These were, if memory serves, purchased by the Chinese in the US (they seem to have had head's up-saw the vid in March) and sent it back to their families, supposedly. Obama, Hillary, Joe, couldn't have done better than shut down Chinese flights. They were reluctant to because racism, and money handout$. Nancy celebrating Chinese New Year at Chinatown. At this point, I would first acknowledge that the US system is an oligarchy of billionaires, and these billionaires are funding either fund people you like or people you hate. To this I advocate: Know Your Oligarchs! It's the patriotic thing to do! 

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[Lawrence Crowell]

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 2:37:22 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

These were, if memory serves, purchased by the Chinese in the US (they seem to have had head's up-saw the vid in March) and sent it back to their families, supposedly. Obama, Hillary, Joe, couldn't have done better than shut down Chinese flights. They were reluctant to because racism, and money handout$. Nancy celebrating Chinese New Year at Chinatown. At this point, I would first acknowledge that the US system is an oligarchy of billionaires, and these billionaires are funding either fund people you like or people you hate. To this I advocate: Know Your Oligarchs! It's the patriotic thing to do! 

Patriotism is the final refuge of the scoundrel. --- Samuel Johnson

LC

[spudb...@aol.com]

Dr. Johnson opposed the US Revolution, merely,  for Patriotic reasons, so I consider myself to be in good company. The international tribalists who see nationalism as an unalloyed, bad thing, are the ones now allighting American cities; in which the governments of city and state render succor to the arsonists and looters, via, immediate bail, low grade enforcement of laws, and political endorsement. The leaders of China see loyalty to the Communist Party as primary, and in their decision to close off China from Wuhan, while encouraging flights into everywhere else in the world, spreading the virus, are not a good representation of internationalism either. Being soft with such Leaders doesn't appear to enhance prosperity or survival for the American people.  In the  cases of the economy, and plague, I would claim that nationalism offers a better survival function then internationalism/globalism. 

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[Bruno Marchal]

On 28 Sep 2020, at 08:51, spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

The daily assaults by the democrat's Vanguard of the Proletariat, and we can go onto twitter and view these, performed by BLMTifa upon average Americans seems to (I am guessing) sewn the election up for Orange Dude. I read the Handmaids tale years ago, and looked at the video presentations of the book, and noted that the author, Margaret Atwood, and saw the differences in premise. In Atwood's book, it was the annihilation of modern civilization that sent the world backwards, and that dark age was brought upon by a nuclear war, tween, Reagan's American, and the old USSR. The filmed version was changed to reflect pollution as the villain, and now the series is to reflect a climate change disaster.

 By the way, Bruno, remember, as I know you must all the claims from physicists that a nuclear war will ensue if NATO placed Pershing missiles in western Europe to counteract the Soviets placing mobile SS-18's & 20's. This threat of Nuclear Winter was also served to us, by the single-sided disarmament groups (Pro-Soviets). So, we'd not only be incinerated in a nuclear fire but we'd also be frozen to death after we were all already dead.Some of these were scientists who promoted this, indicating to me, that scientist's political leanings can overcome their best analytical capacities.

In the US, the democrats (I used to be a life-long one!) has given themselves up to a shared, autocratic form of government (I assert) that is simply a Junta composed of street Stalinists, who seem to be funded by Crony Capitalist billionaires. It's also, at least here in the States, similar, to their take on Climate Change which unlike the EU isn't focusing on Green Hydrogen as a replacement energy form (initiated by wind turbines at Sea), and have nothing but opposition to say, uranium fission, or natural gas. Nothing will keep their cities and states lighted, except wishing thinking on their part. I will always take a callous, rationalist, like Orange Dude, over psychotic, idealists, that my democrats have become. The true dystopia is not Atwood's HandMaids, but the democrat areas, where their fascists run the streets. Portland is still afire…

The Dems are more variate. Between Sanders and Trump, I would have still hesitated … before Helsinki. To criticise your own intelligence service is enough to be ineligible for me. Then, a guy who says “I love Kim-Youn-Un”, well I run away from guy like that.

To not answer to a threat by fear is close to capitulation. The western democracies are sick, corrupted, but unless Trump win or “win” the election, they are still alive, and that is what matters.

I am “republican”. I appreciate Trump’s economy (except it implements very badly), and I appreciate his apparent support for Israel, but there too, he lied, and I consider his treason of the Kurdish as close to unforgivable. 

Then he dismissed the coronavirus, mocked the mask, etc. Trump is not Löbian. Not only he claims repetitively its own protagaorean virtue, but he seems unable to say “I was wrong”, or “sorry”, not even “oops”.

Then, nobody should ever vote for someone who refuse to show its taxes. All reason to such a refusal can only be based on hiding wrongdoings, and be it done by Democrats or Republicans or whatever, it is better to put someone honest at the top.

Bruno

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On 27 Sep 2020, at 00:05, John Clark <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:

The new US supreme court nominee will be Amy Coney Barrett, and she is just the sort of person you would expect, a religious crockpot. She is a member of an extreme right wing Catholic cult called "The People of Praise"; they speak in tongues, believe in biblical prophecy, and in divine healing. Members of the cult swear a lifetime oath of allegiance to one another and are assigned a ideology coach called a “head” for men and a “HANDMAID” for women to make sure nobody strays from the official dogma. The "heads" and "handmaids" issue orders on who to date, who to marry, where to live, whether to take a job, whether to buy a home, and how to raise children. Part of the ideology of People of Praise is that husbands should give orders to their wives and only men should have authority over the family.

During her confirmation hearing in 2017 to be a federal judge Barrett said  "I take my faith seriously and I’m a faithful Catholic". In 2013 she said: "I tend to agree with those who say that a Justice’s duty is to the Constitution and that it is thus more legitimate for her to enforce her best understanding of the Constitution rather than a precedent she thinks clearly in conflict with it"; and as a judge she approved a Indiana law banning abortions of a deformed fetus (although her opinion was later overturned by a higher court and the Indiana law ruled unconstitutional). So when she is approved Roe v. Wade Will be as dead as a doornail and we're back to the 1950's and coathanger abortions. Barrett also criticized Chief Justice Roberts for his opinion that saved Obama’s Affordable Care Act; so in the middle of a global pandemic the health care coverage of tens of millions of people will be as dead as a doornail too when she hears her first case on October 10.

To those who claim Barrett's religious views will not effect her legal opinions I will remind you that in 2006 she said  “If you can keep in mind that your fundamental purpose in life is not to be a lawyer, but to know, love and serve God, you truly will be a different kind of lawyer.”

Amy Coney Barret would also be the youngest justice on the bench, so she could be around for many decades.

What does keep me awake at night is that Trump has the Senate, the AG on his side, and now even the Supreme Court. 

Even before the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, I was not sure how could possibly Trump fail to keep power in November. 

Barr exonerated Trump after Mueller Reports (through a big lie) on his 2016 cheating, and then the Republican Senators acquitted him for his cheating in the 2020 election (involving Ukraine). 

That last one was pitiful, as the Republicans did mock all the evidences as being just “second-hand evidences” and then when they got the opportunity to listen to the first-hand evidences, they dismissed it entirely.

The last remaining hope for democracy (in the US and thus plausibly in the whole world) *was* that Trump (who will never say that he lost the election, right?) would have been obliged at some point to go to the Courts, and to the Supreme Court, and, with Ruth B. Ginsburg, the court could have ruled against Trump, but now, it looks there is no hope at all.

Trump has a powerful support from all the international criminals, not mentioning his friends Putin, Erdogan, Kim-Youn-Un, and many others.

I have never been a fan of the Leftists (so ignorant, notably on the Middle-East situation), but I have not, for one second, believe that Trump has the interest of the American people in mind.

We have to say that Trump is a pretty brilliant con man; he is an expert liar. 

And he will never leave the power. He hates to much the looser to be one, and, for him, the difference is between being free and above the law, or going to jail. He will do *anything* to not, never, leave the Power.

Amy is extreme right wing conservative, we will see if she will defend her faith, or her ideology, like the evangelist who admit Trump is everything except a believer, but still vote for him for his promise against abortion, and similar, and I suppose she would know that, and introspect herself a little bit, and be honest. The Indiana action gives a bit of hope, thanks…

I say this to keep an atom of hope ,and that we are not witnessing the end of democracy, and the end of the rules of law, in the US and then everywhere, which would lead to a millenium more of obscurantism.

Democracy (like today in the US, Israel and Europa) is basically the only progress in the applied human sciences since the closure of Plato Academy. I think that if we lose democracy, we will regress far more than up to 1950, I’m afraid.

The vote of November in the US is not about left/right, but really between democracy/tyranny. 

Tyran never accepts a defavorable election result, and Trump warn us everyday, and prepare us, to "a fait accompli” with the outrageous help of his AG (Barr). 

His incapacity to defend the idea of a peaceful transition, in case he loses, is an admission. Even in his 2016 campaign, he said already that he will accept the result of the vote … if he win.

Bruno

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Bruno, the new Supreme court thing will surely have impact on US Society. however, as Americans are aware, this is an internal battle that we always do, and the alarmist propaganda is no more valid than when Antonin Scalia was alive, and on the court, and still as a jurist spent some time taking fellow jurist Elena Kagan (Liberal and Lesbian) along with him on their hunting trips-Scalia was an avid hunter. The nominee is villified and the opposition wants to pack the courts (add additional members to ensure a constant win for their team), and this is all a domestic thing with the US. The Putin thing, the democrats here have tried and miserbly failed for 5 years, the Obama administrations attempt to by using his own agents in the US department of Justice, the FBI, the CIA, to first undermine Orange's candidacy and then tried for impeachment. The Crossfire Hurricane Conspiracy. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/us/politics/crossfire-hurricane-trump-russia-fbi-mueller-investigation.html

Erdogan may cause a back-reaction (optical physics!!!) via his proxy war with Armenia v Azerbaijan (Turkey v Russia?) and the wants to stir up things with Israel? Xi, is the big threat,* though the EU doesn't see it this way, as Xi seeks what seems to be a true hegemony, meaning, no win-win. For somebody who dismissed Corona/Wuhan, Trump has funded the greatest vaccine search in human history and we are now seeing 3rd level mass trials testing it out-so let us hope!  I do think that it is Vanity that causes some people not to use masks, and if ego is a sin, Orange Man caught that bug long ago. Also, Kurds have not been wiped out by Turkey yet, as predicted by "experts."  The physics of politics seem much more complex than the physics of the cosmos. 

*China has surged ahead with the installation of first strike hypersonic missiles, which the US is now playing catch up. No win-win with Xi's CP. :-(

https://www.newsweek.com/china-hypersonic-missile-weapons-worried-u-s-arms-race-military-pentagon-1447681

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[John Clark]

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 1:34 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 

> the new Supreme court thing will surely have impact on US Society.

There has been a recent development on that front. 3 Senators, all Republican Trump Zombies (but I repeat myself), have tested positive for COVID-19 within the last 24 hours, and 2 of them are on the Senate Judiciary Committee. 

 John K Clark

 

[Lawrence Crowell]

On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 12:34:55 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

Bruno, the new Supreme court thing will surely have impact on US Society. however, as Americans are aware, this is an internal battle that we always do, and the alarmist propaganda is no more valid than when Antonin Scalia was alive, and on the court, and still as a jurist spent some time taking fellow jurist Elena Kagan (Liberal and Lesbian) along with him on their hunting trips-Scalia was an avid hunter. The nominee is villified and the opposition wants to pack the courts (add additional members to ensure a constant win for their team), and this is all a domestic thing with the US. The Putin thing, the democrats here have tried and miserbly failed for 5 years, the Obama administrations attempt to by using his own agents in the US department of Justice, the FBI, the CIA, to first undermine Orange's candidacy and then tried for impeachment. The Crossfire Hurricane Conspiracy. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/us/politics/crossfire-hurricane-trump-russia-fbi-mueller-investigation.html

Erdogan may cause a back-reaction (optical physics!!!) via his proxy war with Armenia v Azerbaijan (Turkey v Russia?) and the wants to stir up things with Israel? Xi, is the big threat,* though the EU doesn't see it this way, as Xi seeks what seems to be a true hegemony, meaning, no win-win. For somebody who dismissed Corona/Wuhan, Trump has funded the greatest vaccine search in human history and we are now seeing 3rd level mass trials testing it out-so let us hope!  I do think that it is Vanity that causes some people not to use masks, and if ego is a sin, Orange Man caught that bug long ago. Also, Kurds have not been wiped out by Turkey yet, as predicted by "experts."  The physics of politics seem much more complex than the physics of the cosmos. 

*China has surged ahead with the installation of first strike hypersonic missiles, which the US is now playing catch up. No win-win with Xi's CP. :-(

https://www.newsweek.com/china-hypersonic-missile-weapons-worried-u-s-arms-race-military-pentagon-1447681

We have been down this road so many times. There have been bomber gaps and missile gaps and now hypersonic gaps. 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybSzoLCCX-Y

Really war is taking a very different shape and it is more about social friction and the wearing down of societies. I suspect we may have all the most advanced military technology possible and find we are eaten alive by termites from within. If nothing else, the western world is being out populated. After all, Al Queda was low tech and they took advantage of a vulnerability. This forced the US to spend trillions of dollars on fruitless wars. In effect, they won.

LC

[PGC]

On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 7:34:55 PM UTC+2 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

Bruno, the new Supreme court thing will surely have impact on US Society. however, as Americans are aware, this is an internal battle that we always do,

Maybe always, but it isn't normal. It is merely a stage to distract the wider public.

 

and the alarmist propaganda is no more valid than when Antonin Scalia was alive, and on the court, and still as a jurist spent some time taking fellow jurist Elena Kagan (Liberal and Lesbian) along with him on their hunting trips-Scalia was an avid hunter. The nominee is villified and the opposition wants to pack the courts (add additional members to ensure a constant win for their team),

It is shameful. These democratic rats will never stop at anything to ensure their power and control. 

 

and this is all a domestic thing with the US. The Putin thing, the democrats here have tried and miserbly failed for 5 years, the Obama administrations attempt to by using his own agents in the US department of Justice, the FBI, the CIA, to first undermine Orange's candidacy and then tried for impeachment. The Crossfire Hurricane Conspiracy. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/us/politics/crossfire-hurricane-trump-russia-fbi-mueller-investigation.html

Yeah, and they "let" him win so that the public wouldn't suspect the real under deep state, the quasi-superiors of those agents, who green lit the Obama administration to place themselves along with deep state agents (camouflage) where they are now, so that they would appear properly supervised and integrated in hierarchy instead of just seeming "planted", with paper trails etc., in the more common and obvious conspiratorial sense. That way operation "witch hunt" could be planted in a way for NYtimes idiots to dig up.

 

Erdogan may cause a back-reaction (optical physics!!!) via his proxy war with Armenia v Azerbaijan (Turkey v Russia?) and the wants to stir up things with Israel?

Why the question mark? This is so obvious, but yes... to be more exact than your layman's description: Erdogan is back-reacting self-consistency to Putin as a "favor" property via the proxy war through pretending to back Azerbaijan, while bolstering react visibility to the Armenian cause through LA and the Hollywood connections there. That way, it's win-win for him, as the Obama under real under deep and deep state will also get kickbacks from the liberal publicity generated, while Israel would obviously be stirred, as per your choice of words.

 

Xi, is the big threat,* though the EU doesn't see it this way, as Xi seeks what seems to be a true hegemony, meaning, no win-win.

The EU totally doesn't see China. It just sells and buys everything from them. Ha LOL idiots in the EU.

 

For somebody who dismissed Corona/Wuhan, Trump has funded the greatest vaccine search in human history and we are now seeing 3rd level mass trials testing it out-so let us hope! 

Yeah, and his tax returns had to stay hidden to be able to do this without the under deep state (and its obvious deep state graft on top) to get wind from this. His vast fortune hidden to fund the entirety of the greatest vaccine search in human history... while the dems will all grab any vaccine that comes out of it with their greedy rat hands and accuse him of tax fraud, cheating, or lying about his wealth, when all he wanted was to be discreet and serve his country.

 

I do think that it is Vanity that causes some people not to use masks, and if ego is a sin, Orange Man caught that bug long ago. Also, Kurds have not been wiped out by Turkey yet, as predicted by "experts."  The physics of politics seem much more complex than the physics of the cosmos. 

*China has surged ahead with the installation of first strike hypersonic missiles, which the US is now playing catch up. No win-win with Xi's CP. :-(

https://www.newsweek.com/china-hypersonic-missile-weapons-worried-u-s-arms-race-military-pentagon-1447681

Of course the Kurds' are celebrating secretly because, as everyone knows, one of the most powerful survival tactics is playing dead. Still, you seem to underestimate the obvious connection between how China and the US democrats are moving in concert. For example, the democrats only want universal health care, higher minimum wages, women and minorities to have power, so that all the budget for weapons gets diverted. CP + XI laugh with the democrats and promise these democratic families and blood lines prominent positions, businesses, islands, slaves, and secret cures (not so secret to those in the know of deep plandemics obviously...) in the new post wuhan hegemony. 

It's clear you're not yet initiated to this level of information, reading nytimes and all that, but no worries, I see the good intent and if you keep up the good work here, I'll consider mentioning you in one of my reports. PGC

 

[Lawrence Crowell]

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Yeah, when I read crap such as what you just wrote it makes me more strongly ponder getting the hell out of this country.

LC

[Brent Meeker]

It's a spoof LC. 

Brent

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I don't see how PGC and spudboy are spoofing. 

LC

[Alan Grayson]

On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 3:59:13 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote:

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 2:37:22 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

These were, if memory serves, purchased by the Chinese in the US (they seem to have had head's up-saw the vid in March) and sent it back to their families, supposedly. Obama, Hillary, Joe, couldn't have done better than shut down Chinese flights. They were reluctant to because racism, and money handout$. Nancy celebrating Chinese New Year at Chinatown. At this point, I would first acknowledge that the US system is an oligarchy of billionaires, and these billionaires are funding either fund people you like or people you hate. To this I advocate: Know Your Oligarchs! It's the patriotic thing to do! 

Patriotism is the final refuge of the scoundrel. --- Samuel Johnson

LC

I have what is likely the minority view, of those NOT wishing Trump well. I figure there will be many fewer deaths in the streets if he passes away. I doubt we will be that lucky. AG 

[spudb...@aol.com]

I had read that at least one of them did not follow the no mask thiing, or has claimed never to have. Mask all the time nd everywhere. Lies or truth? I suspect true. Mike DeWine governor of of Ohio (R) is a huge fan of the mask and has pushed it hugely since March. Lets see if the vaccines work in the next few months? I am an enthusiast rather than a cautious crusader on this. 

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Oh, I have no doubt of the efficacy of asymetric warfare. Now, we have societies, "worn down," as you have written, via, this plague. Deliberate or accidental might be a decent question now? Trump has not expanded US troop actions, but has reduced it, instead, unlike Obama and Bush 43. Trump has said such endevors making the US suckers. This is also why the shift in troops from Germany, where the locals have always resented ' Das Ami," to Poland, where a barrier against Putin is helpful to both. My opinions regarding Jihadists and their supporters is no welcome thing to this wee, email list. Another distraction to the pursuit of physics and maths. 

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[PGC]

On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 12:24:34 AM UTC+2 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

Oh, I have no doubt of the efficacy of asymetric warfare. Now, we have societies, "worn down," as you have written, via, this plague. Deliberate or accidental might be a decent question now?

You're a bit too slow and relaxed pushing this. It was yours truly that had to bring up plandemic, because you're too democratic. Even though you have the whole "I know democrats, I used to be one... but now I see the light of orange" thing going, I suspect you could be spoofing and actually still be a closet democrat, homo, and a bit antifa. 

 

Trump has not expanded US troop actions, but has reduced it, instead, unlike Obama and Bush 43. Trump has said such endevors making the US suckers. This is also why the shift in troops from Germany, where the locals have always resented ' Das Ami," to Poland, where a barrier against Putin is helpful to both.

Nah, wrong expression as you just read wikis instead of having experience on Schland. Also, the locals were ok with the bases and took advantage of buying US products and junk food. Get your intel straight.

 

My opinions regarding Jihadists and their supporters is no welcome thing to this wee, email list.

Your greatness here is notorious. Just tell it like it is and make this list great again.

 

Another distraction to the pursuit of physics and maths. 

Who cares about maths? Why are you into science anyway? That's democratic and part of their team. Here's some numbers for you. Assume our Supreme leader's lead is threatened by mail in ballots: 

State legislatures of most swing states are in our pocket so if the results come back in a way we don't like, we'll just claim irregularities and have legislatures decide to choose electors themselves, so competing slates of electors are sent to congress, where they'll be forced to discard results from disputed states, and with nobody having 270 electoral votes, the US House will have to vote to break deadlock, and voila this leads us to one vote per state in a runoff in the house... with PA evenly split its 26 to 23 for Trump. 

Math is easy: we still win, even if we loose. And with our Supreme leader kicking Wuhan Flu in the face in the hospital and everywhere else, we'll finally finally have victory over all these democrat fear mongering scientists, their partisan maths, physics, medicine, and plandemic attempts to sell us masks and secure Xi's hegemony. Don't let science or rationality get in the way of greatness. That raises red flags because academics are all ideologues on the wrong team. PGC

[spudb...@aol.com]

I just want to see what medicines come up to break the flu? You are guessing that 'greatness' is a feature if what your enemies want, when actually it's American continuity. Your commentary seems like an echo of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals (have you ever read it?) in his rule # 13. 

"13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions."

My view is that this tactic is not working at all. In a real sense, Obama and his employees created The Donald, in the sense that their world-view is the antithesis of US survival. Otherwise, in other elections,he was this effusive, New Yorker, who simply got on everyone's nerves. The opposition created the man-and the desperation was the payoff. We are the back-reaction (like in optical physics!) to the Party's hostility to the middle class. This is the reason #13 only applies to the democrat voting base, this is why we seemingly are so obtuse. The voodoo doesn't work if ya don't believe it. Personalizing won't work, but we may see past November 3rd. For me, I suspect we enter a period of low-grade civil war. Have fun! (which is another Alinsky rule).

6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.

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[Lawrence Crowell]

On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 3:49:27 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

I just want to see what medicines come up to break the flu? You are guessing that 'greatness' is a feature if what your enemies want, when actually it's American continuity. Your commentary seems like an echo of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals (have you ever read it?) in his rule # 13. 

"13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions."

My view is that this tactic is not working at all. In a real sense, Obama and his employees created The Donald, in the sense that their world-view is the antithesis of US survival.

No, that is not the reason. Sure Don-the-Con t'Rump was fueled by the Obama administration, but because Obama as president exposed an ugly racist aspect of American society.

LC

[spudb...@aol.com]

Shall I use this wee forum to present evidence of Black Racism, or that Blacks can be hateful and act upon racially charged emotions as well as Whites? There is a body count associated with this, and its not just police or kluxers that perform racially motivated attacks. 

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[Lawrence Crowell]

On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 5:23:20 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

Shall I use this wee forum to present evidence of Black Racism, or that Blacks can be hateful and act upon racially charged emotions as well as Whites? There is a body count associated with this, and its not just police or kluxers that perform racially motivated attacks. 

Oh sure, but which is a bigger issue? Don-the-Con t'Rump's base is about 35% which amount to about 1/2 of whites. t'Rump is racist, or frankly I think it is more that as a sociopath, with no sense of empathy or that other people are just tools to be used and discarded, he is willing to use racism to his benefit. His base has a lot of racialized thinking and a good number are racists. African-Americans account for 13% of the population, and sure some have a dislike of white people, but which is a bigger problem? Do the math, it is elementary.

LC

[spudb...@aol.com]

Factually, for Orange dude, the fan base is larger then 35% but no big issue here. How many Blacks are lynched today by gangs of whites, or even police officers of various ethnic backgrounds, today, verus, Black on White attacks, perhaps, buried as street crimes, but, decidedly, racially and economically motivated, and let us chalk up the statistics? The race card is merely an element, ideologically, used by people who want to do away with the USA. Are you willing to call your fellow democrats, racists, who flee the democratic run zones, because of riots, arson, looting? Again, statistically, the flow of traffic is currently going Blue to Red. Does empathy require me to be a victim, or does the President, any president, need to stand down from protecting businesses from rioters, looters, and arsonists, in order to prove their empathy? 

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[Brent Meeker]

On 10/7/2020 12:35 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
> Factually, for Orange dude, the fan base is larger then 35% but no big
> issue here. How many Blacks are lynched today by gangs of whites, or
> even police officers of various ethnic backgrounds, today, verus,
> Black on White attacks, perhaps, buried as street crimes, but,
> decidedly, racially and economically motivated, and let us chalk up
> the statistics?

A specious and dishonest argument.  The police are acting as our
agents.  That's why cops shooting unarmed black men and clubbing
protesters is a bigger problem than street crime.  And black on white
attacks or vice-versa are rare.  Most black crime is against other blacks.

> The race card is merely an element, ideologically, used by people who
> want to do away with the USA. Are you willing to call your fellow
> democrats, racists, who flee the democratic run zones, because of
> riots, arson, looting?

It's the Repugs that lock themselves in gated communities.

> Again, statistically, the flow of traffic is currently going Blue to Red.

You think demographics favor the Repugs??  You're a delusional as your
Mango Mussolini.

Brent

[spudb...@aol.com]

Most Reps don't live in gated communities of course, and when I think of gated, elitists, we only have to cast our sensors out to Cali and the entertainment capital of China, Hollywierd. I also noticed that the dem mayors howled, when in Portland and Chicago, and Wis, their own mobs targeted their own dwellings. Mussolini, comparatively now, was never as foul, as the practitioners of The Non-Aggression Pact, Adolf and the dem Buddy, Joe Stalin.

 https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/german-soviet-nonaggression-pact

See, no other political leader was a true ally of deaddolf was? They both traded raw materials, they both Invaded Poland on September 1st 1939, they both started WW2 and the Holocaust. Nobody, not Chamberlain, not Joe Kennedy, no even Henry Ford senior, helped Hitler as much as the dem heart throb, Stalin. Thus, the democrats have zero moral high ground to stand on, especially, with their sympathy to China's Xi's aggressions, against the US, and their massacres of the Uighers. All on the dem team.Enjoy!

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[Bruno Marchal]

On 4 Oct 2020, at 22:10, Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 3:59:13 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote:

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 2:37:22 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

These were, if memory serves, purchased by the Chinese in the US (they seem to have had head's up-saw the vid in March) and sent it back to their families, supposedly. Obama, Hillary, Joe, couldn't have done better than shut down Chinese flights. They were reluctant to because racism, and money handout$. Nancy celebrating Chinese New Year at Chinatown. At this point, I would first acknowledge that the US system is an oligarchy of billionaires, and these billionaires are funding either fund people you like or people you hate. To this I advocate: Know Your Oligarchs! It's the patriotic thing to do! 

Patriotism is the final refuge of the scoundrel. --- Samuel Johnson

LC

I have what is likely the minority view, of those NOT wishing Trump well.

I only wish two things here: 1) that Trump loses the election (which is quite plausible) and 2) that Trump recognise it (which is unfortunately not much plausible).

I figure there will be many fewer deaths in the streets if he passes away. I doubt we will be that lucky. AG 

To be franc, I am not even sure he got the covid-19. It might have, but we have not been able to have any evidences from some real doctor; not those bizarre doctors who seem to belong to Trump’s close friends, and who let a “sick and infectious” patient to go out of the hospital. The fact that he get out so quickly and brag on how it was easy for him to win against the virus confirms that feeling a little bit.

That is the problem with chronicle liars, you have to be skeptic on everything they say…

I don’t wish Trump to die, but I certainly wish him to be in jail, or some asylum. He is not just responsible for the health and economic crisis, he behave everyday like a dictator. His last video looks more and more like tyrannic propaganda. Colbert was right to call him Kim-Young-Trump the other day…

But then why would Trump care about anything when he is exonerated by its Attorney General (Barr, another liar) for his 2016 cheating, and by the Senate for his 2020 attempt to cheat. Trump has already made clear his strategy: to declare having win before the absentee and mailing ballots are open (which will be declared as fraud). Trump will never wait for all mail opening, and he will never leave power. He is a con man escaping forward, and he will do *anything* to keep the full power, and he has a lot of allies (basically all the criminals and tyrans on the planet; and in the US, the deep state (the prohibitionist, the 9/11 liars) sides with Trump, openly since the AG has become Trump’s new fixer…

Bruno

  

 

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> You are aware that the dem controlled cities have police unions, and the kneeling occurred on Minneapolis, with its police union,

And police unions are nearly unanimous in their support of Donald Trump not Joe Biden.  

 

> Orange dude has spent billions on masks and ventilators,

For Darwin's sake! Simple cheap low-tech face masks were in short supply way back in February and it's October and they still are! 

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On 7 Oct 2020, at 00:23, spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Shall I use this wee forum to present evidence of Black Racism, or that Blacks can be hateful and act upon racially charged emotions as well as Whites? There is a body count associated with this, and its not just police or kluxers that perform racially motivated attacks. 

Of course, black racism exists, but that can hardly be used to justify any racism, whatever the colour it takes, and still less by someone at the top. 

Trump is not just racist, but a gifted exploiter of this racism, and of fear in general. Trump is the pandemonium: he divides everybody on everything… When you listen to what he says during his rallies, it is just unbelievable the amount of hate and negativity he shows toward … anyone who doubt the grandeur of his “little ego”.

Trump is a bully. He is harder with his friends and allies than with his enemies. He looks (at the least) like a psychopath. He has no empathy for anyone, not even for his wife or his daughter. His presidency will not end well, if it ends at all…

His covid-19 infection might have been one of its directing moves that he does a lot; in this case to make us forget how bad he was in the first election debate, where he made impossible to Biden to utter one word...

Bruno

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I just want to see what medicines come up to break the flu? You are guessing that 'greatness' is a feature if what your enemies want, when actually it's American continuity. Your commentary seems like an echo of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals (have you ever read it?) in his rule # 13. 

"13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions."

My view is that this tactic is not working at all. In a real sense, Obama and his employees created The Donald, in the sense that their world-view is the antithesis of US survival.

No, that is not the reason. Sure Don-the-Con t'Rump was fueled by the Obama administration, but because Obama as president exposed an ugly racist aspect of American society.

LC

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I would say you are claiming that the behavior of many Black on White attacks is not racism, but I would say it is a feature of their racism. Psychopathic traits are well-known among nearly all politicians that I have seen. Empathy, which is the hallmark phrase of the liberal/socialist/communist, is over-rated and is used as a tool by the "Left" for claiming the "moral" high ground. Yet, such empathy in most social programs (US) yield almost nothing for the intended beneficiaries. In the 1960's President Lyndon John declared (as a distraction from Vietnam) a War on Poverty. Funded into the billions and then hundreds of billions through the decades-it achieved nothing, Bruno. 

The Green Left that comprises much of California, (another example) have let the forests grow wild over the last 30 years, and, as with the same policy-attitude in Australia, now have 2 firestorm season per year. On orange man, the liberal/socialist/communists fixate on him as an aspect they can unify against. as if somehow, if he is gone, everything will roll their way. This, I contend , is simply not the case, because the intentions (seemingly)  of the Left (liberals/socialists/communists) are directed upon the rest of us. Basically, a Junta of Soviets, not unlike the old Soviets, wbut instead are backed  by Crony Capitalist$, will be, or in fact are, the new masters of the world. Every night in the US the democrats encourage and permit riots, arson, looting, in the regions they control. Rioters are immediately released because of Covid, or bailed out by the funding of the rich, and are back doing crimes once more. In the US, The riots will never cease as they are a tool of the Party whomever wins next month. 

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[Bruno Marchal]

On 8 Oct 2020, at 19:23, spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I would say you are claiming that the behavior of many Black on White attacks is not racism,

I did not claim anything like that. The black and the white who called themselves antiracists are racists, for example, and I did denunciate them as such.

Racism has no color, and unfortunately present in most large group of population. 

but I would say it is a feature of their racism. Psychopathic traits are well-known among nearly all politicians that I have seen.

I have met only one people who match Trump, and he was not a politician. I don’t see any psychopathic tendencies in most actual member of the US government. I see only one psychopath there, and many cowards or special interests around.

Empathy, which is the hallmark phrase of the liberal/socialist/communist, is over-rated and is used as a tool by the "Left" for claiming the "moral" high ground.

The leftists often believe that the moral is their business, but my opinion is that it is the contrary. But none can claim it without losing it, actually. Here the right is better in not claiming it. We agree on this, but let me tell you that I think Trump is an extreme leftist : he loves Putin, Kim-Young-Un, etc.

Yet, such empathy in most social programs (US) yield almost nothing for the intended beneficiaries. In the 1960's President Lyndon John declared (as a distraction from Vietnam) a War on Poverty. Funded into the billions and then hundreds of billions through the decades-it achieved nothing, Bruno. 

The Green Left that comprises much of California, (another example) have let the forests grow wild over the last 30 years,

They own only a few percentage. They are owned by the federals. 

and, as with the same policy-attitude in Australia, now have 2 firestorm season per year.

That was predicted by those who defended the use of hemp instead of petrol, although I doubt it would be so quick.

On orange man, the liberal/socialist/communists

Note that in Europa, the term “liberal” is used for the right (liberal = freedom of enterprise), and the socialist are *quite* different from the Communist (except the Italian communist perhaps, but they were quickly corrupted by the mafia). Socialism has almost be for “communist who accept the free-market, the democracy (regular election) and who ceased all collaboration with the USSR). The Italian communist did separate themselves clearly from the USSR.

For me, the most important thing is that we can vote, regularly, and with a far amount of fairness. Most people vote on the right when the state go to much on the left, and vice versa. Voting is the tax level regulator.

fixate on him as an aspect they can unify against. as if somehow, if he is gone, everything will roll their way. This, I contend , is simply not the case, because the intentions (seemingly)  of the Left (liberals/socialists/communists) are directed upon the rest of us. Basically, a Junta of Soviets, not unlike the old Soviets, wbut instead are backed  by Crony Capitalist$,

Like the prohibitionists? Yes, those are real bastards. But most capitalists are no crony (I mean up to that level).

With Trump, we have something new: someone who does not even trie to hides his lies. Trump is not just a criminal, he normalises criminality. 

will be, or in fact are, the new masters of the world.

The society for a drug free America is financed by a bunch of different rotten corporation and groups which are related to the industries of alcohol, tobacco, jail, weapon, and scientology, notably).

I don’t see them as masters of the worlds, but as clever bandits. It is up to us to vote for someone adding a bit more of logic in education, so that people will get the flaw in prohibition, for example, and stop to vote for people having any complacency with the prohibitionists. Then we can think fighting against other similar white collar bandits. But this requires that those near the top in the government acts, at least in appearance, like impeccable. 

Every night in the US the democrats encourage and permit riots, arson, looting, in the regions they control.

I have search a long time information on this. That is a lie. Biden condemned it clearly. But the Militia are pro-Trump, and are training themselves, preparing a civil war, that they call "Civil War II”. That’s frightening, and doubly so when the President is unable to criticise them; on the contrary, he call them to stand by...

Rioters are immediately released because of Covid, or bailed out by the funding of the rich, and are back doing crimes once more.

The regulation of weapon, and the disclosure on the NRA and its link with the extreme right should accelerate that process. Here the left has always seemed to be more reasonable than the right.

In the US, The riots will never cease as they are a tool of the Party whomever wins next month. 

The left is blinded on the Middle-East, and the Nazism which proliferate there, disguised in religion.

But on gun, abortion right, humanity and recognisance of minorities, and now, about just democracy, the constitution and the rule of laws, the left seems to me far more a reasonable option than a psychopath surrounded by those “cronies capitalists”, with the help of foreigners dictators. For them there is no humanity, nor even truth: just business based on lies and deception.

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On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 4:39:02 PM UTC+2 Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 8 Oct 2020, at 19:23, spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I would say you are claiming that the behavior of many Black on White attacks is not racism,

I did not claim anything like that. The black and the white who called themselves antiracists are racists, for example, and I did denunciate them as such.

Racism has no color, and unfortunately present in most large group of population. 

but I would say it is a feature of their racism. Psychopathic traits are well-known among nearly all politicians that I have seen.

I have met only one people who match Trump, and he was not a politician. I don’t see any psychopathic tendencies in most actual member of the US government. I see only one psychopath there, and many cowards or special interests around.

Empathy, which is the hallmark phrase of the liberal/socialist/communist, is over-rated and is used as a tool by the "Left" for claiming the "moral" high ground.

The leftists often believe that the moral is their business, but my opinion is that it is the contrary. But none can claim it without losing it, actually. Here the right is better in not claiming it. We agree on this, but let me tell you that I think Trump is an extreme leftist : he loves Putin, Kim-Young-Un, etc.

He's left when it comes to his cronies and loyalists and will say left things like "We have wonderful Doctors... People shouldn't be afraid of the virus... Everybody should have this treatment!", which is why everybody that gets infected is getting a military helicopter to take them to a military hospital and have a whole floor with a dedicated team of doctors procuring them steroids, antibody cocktails etc. And nobody notes how left this wish is, which is disappointing as people should get the meds they vote for somehow; and republicans should nowadays not even get the meds... they should just get the bill and wire the money immediately. 

And there has to be a scene where he had to sign an informed consent form due to the experimental status of some of those drugs. And the clerk should've said: "Wait.. wtf? You're Donald Trump... you do things like acknowledge the severity of the disease, admit to downplaying it, and will probably downplay it and acknowledge its severity and blame people ten thousand times on Twitter while you recover... I'm not sure you qualify as having the agency to sign something like an informed consent document. I think your name and... well, anything having to do with either information or consent should be separated as far as possible; and by this I mean not even the same set of multiverses... further than that... like ontologies away from each other. PGC 

 

[spudb...@aol.com]

The militias as of now are tiny, and ineffectual, and easily arrested by police. Give the left (now democrats) a chance, and anybody who doesn't want a totalitarian state (because it harms them and their family) will be part of a militia, or the the US will have split off. When you accuse orange man of criminality, you ignore the bribe-taking by Biden and his son. Also, remember, the gods of media, for Twitter and Facebook, just censored a news item of this bribery and we have not seen yet information about money from Chinese sponsors to the Bidens. 

https://nypost.com/2020/10/15/biden-campaign-glad-posts-hunter-biden-exposes-censored/

I would say that money taking from billionaires has normalized criminality in the last several years, though the US this bribe taking goes back to the US Civil War. The billionaires finance Antifa and BLM, and the money is thankfully scarce for the feared militias. Example:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/us/politics/george-soros-racial-justice-organizations.html

Now its called racial equality, but instead it's closer to another flavor of supremacy, stalinism, etc.

My suspicion is that the rich are making big mistakes similar to the 1913 elites, and beyond this they are betting that the world will stay stable why they trade with Xi. My sense is that this will never happen. China is driven by its own psychological demons and those demons will drive the world. On Orange man keeping the door open with North Korea and Russia, yes, I see little hope in offering these guys anything that they are willing to trade for. 

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[Brent Meeker]

On 10/15/2020 11:56 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

The militias as of now are tiny, and ineffectual, and easily arrested by police. Give the left (now democrats) a chance, and anybody who doesn't want a totalitarian state (because it harms them and their family) will be part of a militia, or the the US will have split off. When you accuse orange man of criminality, you ignore the bribe-taking by Biden and his son. Also, remember, the gods of media, for Twitter and Facebook, just censored a news item of this bribery and we have not seen yet information about money from Chinese sponsors to the Bidens. 

https://nypost.com/2020/10/15/biden-campaign-glad-posts-hunter-biden-exposes-censored/

I would say that money taking from billionaires has normalized criminality in the last several years,

You mean criminality like marrying someone of the same sex?  getting health insurance that covers a pre-existing condition?  protesting police brutality?  standing in line for ten hours in order to vote?  And who's paying to stop this "criminality"...it's dark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjcXVKg43qY

Bretnt

[spudb...@aol.com]

Brent, as your friend Joe Biden would say, "C'mon man!" Look, let me put forth a simple policy. That the enemy of the existence of the United States are, in no particular order, Communists, Nazis, & Islamists. I would treat them as such and deal with them in various ways of counter-punching. All 3 of the above listed members of these religions aka ideologies, would be after my hide personally, for violations of stated norms, held by these people. 

I miss the old, centerist Biden, when he was, many years ago, a middle of the road, blue-collar supporting kind of guy, but those days are forever gone. Maybe the country had a chance back then, today it seems like a civil conflict, prolonged is now likely. The funded communists like BLM-Tifa, who's suppliers are oligarchs of the US corporations, Yeah, even old Warren Buffett have no use for people like me, and the bad thing for the democrats is, we know this! Hence, the fervent defence of the orange real estate guy from NYC. 

Also, just to antagonize more, John Clark has focused on Orange Man's bad behavior in spreading Wuhan, and masks, or something like that. However, even though Joe in his commercials promised to do better than what orange has done, I cannot see any science in this claim. Here, and I just stumbled upon it, is a Reuters article about Germany, which speaks to, not John or Joe's accusations, but urges the question concerning, "what is everyone doing wrong?"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-cases/coronavirus-spread-accelerates-again-in-germany-idUSKBN22M019

My suspicion is that whoever rules this land, whether we split into two nations, whether we have a civil war, is that this virus was gene-spliced. Gene-spliced to wreck the US? No, gene-spliced to overwhelm those rebellious Hong Kong types that was bringing shame to the Chinese people, aka Han. Especially, the Han that are Communist Party officials. Whatever happens here, it started there, and Joe and his son need to back away from Comrade Xi, slowly, or quicker if he really wants to win? It was cooked up, I suspect, so that the Communist Party could have sent in Rescue Troops to take over from the Hong Kong folks, beleaguered by this new plague. They could claim a humanitarian takeover to save lives, unlike the annihilation of the Uihgers. 

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On 10/16/2020 10:48 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

Brent, as your friend Joe Biden would say, "C'mon man!" Look, let me put forth a simple policy. That the enemy of the existence of the United States are, in no particular order, Communists, Nazis, & Islamists.

I would treat them as such and deal with them in various ways of counter-punching. All 3 of the above listed members of these religions aka ideologies, would be after my hide personally, for violations of stated norms, held by these people. 

I miss the old, centerist Biden, when he was, many years ago, a middle of the road, blue-collar supporting kind of guy, but those days are forever gone. Maybe the country had a chance back then, today it seems like a civil conflict, prolonged is now likely. The funded communists like BLM-Tifa, who's suppliers are oligarchs of the US corporations, Yeah, even old Warren Buffett have no use for people like me, and the bad thing for the democrats is, we know this! Hence, the fervent defence of the orange real estate guy from NYC. 

Also, just to antagonize more, John Clark has focused on Orange Man's bad behavior in spreading Wuhan, and masks, or something like that.

And separating children from their parents and then losing track of who's who.  Cutting taxes for the wealthiest 1% while running up record federal deficits.  Abdictating all U.S. leadership on global warming and spreading the lie that it's a Chinese hoax.  Encouraging white supremacists and spreading crazy conspiracy theories. 

However, even though Joe in his commercials promised to do better than what orange has done, I cannot see any science in this claim. Here, and I just stumbled upon it, is a Reuters article about Germany, which speaks to, not John or Joe's accusations, but urges the question concerning, "what is everyone doing wrong?"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-cases/coronavirus-spread-accelerates-again-in-germany-idUSKBN22M019

My suspicion is that whoever rules this land, whether we split into two nations, whether we have a civil war, is that this virus was gene-spliced.

Oh, well if you have a suspicion.  I suspect you're an ignoramus.

Brent

Gene-spliced to wreck the US? No, gene-spliced to overwhelm those rebellious Hong Kong types that was bringing shame to the Chinese people, aka Han. Especially, the Han that are Communist Party officials. Whatever happens here, it started there, and Joe and his son need to back away from Comrade Xi, slowly, or quicker if he really wants to win? It was cooked up, I suspect, so that the Communist Party could have sent in Rescue Troops to take over from the Hong Kong folks, beleaguered by this new plague. They could claim a humanitarian takeover to save lives, unlike the annihilation of the Uihgers. 

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On 10/15/2020 11:56 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

The militias as of now are tiny, and ineffectual, and easily arrested by police. Give the left (now democrats) a chance, and anybody who doesn't want a totalitarian state (because it harms them and their family) will be part of a militia, or the the US will have split off. When you accuse orange man of criminality, you ignore the bribe-taking by Biden and his son. Also, remember, the gods of media, for Twitter and Facebook, just censored a news item of this bribery and we have not seen yet information about money from Chinese sponsors to the Bidens. 

https://nypost.com/2020/10/15/biden-campaign-glad-posts-hunter-biden-exposes-censored/

I would say that money taking from billionaires has normalized criminality in the last several years,

You mean criminality like marrying someone of the same sex?  getting health insurance that covers a pre-existing condition?  protesting police brutality?  standing in line for ten hours in order to vote?  And who's paying to stop this "criminality"...it's dark.

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Your Saul Alinsky's 13 Rules for Radicals material you've been brought up on has a major issue, in that Saul's recos only work well upon the liberal/proggie/soviet mindset, but not anyone else's. Beyond this, if and when we split as a nation-state, and team dem loses out. I am suspecting that Canada will have place a limit on emigre's from the former US states. Just a heads up. 

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On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 1:48 AM spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> John Clark has focused on Orange Man's bad behavior in spreading Wuhan, and masks, or something like that. However, even though Joe in his commercials promised to do better than what orange has done, 

If he had done nothing else at least if Joe Biden had been president he wouldn't have turned mask wearing into part of the idiotic culture wars, and that alone would've save at least a hundred thousand American lives and prevented millions of people from getting very sick.  

> I cannot see any science in this claim. 

The only claim Biden needs to make is that he will listen to what the scientist say and not Inflame his zombie followers to make death threats against professional epidemiologists.  

> Here, and I just stumbled upon it, is a Reuters article about Germany,

OK let's compare the two countries. Germany has had 4,432 cases of COVID-19 per million inhabitants, the USA had 24,332. Germany has had 118 deaths per million inhabitants from COVID-19, the USA has had 678.

 

> the funded communists like BLM [...]

Communists? You're still worried about communists? Hey, it's 2020 not 1951! I never like communists and I never like Vikings either but being an anti-communist today is a bit like being an anti-Viking, it's just not relevant. And I don't see why communists would mind having the police beat up and kill people, they certainly never hesitated to do it back in the days when communists actually ran countries. Like them you also don't seem to have any problem with the police doing the bidding of a wannabe dictator and murdering people, so does that mean you're a communist?

> what is everyone doing wrong?

You tell me, tell me what Formosa (Taiwan) is doing wrong! It seems to me Formosa, a country of 24 million people, did pretty much everything right because it is far closer to China where this all started than the USA is and yet Formosa only experienced 7 deaths from the entire COVID-19 epidemic. By contrast as of today at 18:59 GMT the USA has experienced 224,967 deaths. The difference is Formosa's leader is not an imbecile, the USA's leader is.

  John K Clark

 

[Lawrence Crowell]

Even in the 1950s the fear over an "international communist conspiracy" was overblown. I worked in the late 80s with the intelligence community with orbital dynamics of "black birds" and other things. I learned a number of things, and in a sense "read between the lines." Much of the cold war was faked, and much of it was to make money. That we had a massive nuclear arms race had far less to do with any real communist conspiracy to take over the world than it did about huge profits by the big aerospace and armaments industries. The current panic buttons being pushed have similar qualities. This is not to say I think developments of Russian nonballistic missiles or Chinese developments should be ignored or waved off. However, we should also avoid going crazy over things. Further, calling democrats communists is the same insane nonsense seen in Kubrick's Gen. Ripper of Dr. Strangelove.

LC 

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If The Donald is an imbecile, so then, was virologist (HIV guy) Faucci, his advisor.  I have zero problem with masks, if they work. The information, is conflicting about what to do by the "experts." One of the things Taiwan did was to lock down immediately, all travellers in and out from Wuhan land. They had bad experiences with Communist Party command and control (or desire to contain) previous plagues during previous years; swine, bird, et al. Yes,Republic Of Korea and Taiwan have excellent records thru all this. The early estimate of the death rate was 2 million for the USA back in March & April. "Flatten the Curve," was the saying. The democrats in the streets spead covid during theiur riots/arson/attacks, and I at least can provide the visuals from Twitter (Jack Dorsey's mafia), unless you feel these are faked/AI-modified, disinformation from Orange guy? Biden is not that sharp and neither is Kamala. You and I focus on the medical science and research pharmacology. Orange has funded research for these mightilly. 

On science mixed in with politics, which is at once, historical, and hard to separate one from the other. Does politics drive science, or does science drive politcs, and the answer is yes! The modern Plagues, Climate, Nuclear missiles in Europe, Energy, and now this. On travel, both legal and illegal, the US is much more porous then Deutschland, and is a bigger targer for illegal immigrants, who unintentionally act as carries (Think, 100K Typhoid Mary's). Would you like to impose a locked-down border, John? The worthies of your party, Chuck, and Nancy, would be vehmently against this. But, this is obviously one path of greater infection. No two week wait while it simmers down for these folks.

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You don't require a great conspiracy if one is of like mind already. You then have volunteers, who decide to act in the 'enemies,' interests because they hate their own homeland. All the students at Oxford and Cambridge who volunteered to be Stalin's spies, were enthusiastic supporters of his already. The French who already admired Hitler, ended up, when Hitler invaded in June 1940, were happy to join the Vichey government, in its round ups and deportations to the 'East.' So, today all the BLMAntifa types, fit this model. Biden seems disinvolved with so many critical things, I don't see him even funding research as well as the Orange dude. Ten years ago calling dems commies was crazy, today, those same politicians have morphed like a virus, into true totalitariansm. Hating freedom of speech everywhere. 1st ammedment, dear hearts. 

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[Brent Meeker]

On 10/19/2020 6:02 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

If The Donald is an imbecile, so then, was virologist (HIV guy) Faucci, his advisor. 

Fauci was an imbecile to work for Trump.  It's sure death for your reputation.

I have zero problem with masks, if they work. The information, is conflicting about what to do by the "experts." One of the things Taiwan did was to lock down immediately, all travellers in and out from Wuhan land.

Which Trumps claims he did, but lies about just like everything else.

They had bad experiences with Communist Party command and control (or desire to contain) previous plagues during previous years; swine, bird, et al. Yes,Republic Of Korea and Taiwan have excellent records thru all this. The early estimate of the death rate was 2 million for the USA back in March & April.

2 million was the estimate if nothing was done, which Trump's new advisor is advocating.

"Flatten the Curve," was the saying. The democrats in the streets spead covid during theiur riots/arson/attacks, and I at least can provide the visuals from Twitter (Jack Dorsey's mafia),

But you can't provide reports of them testing positive afterward.  While I can provide lists of those infected after the ACB event in the Rose Garden.

unless you feel these are faked/AI-modified, disinformation from Orange guy? Biden is not that sharp and neither is Kamala. You and I focus on the medical science and research pharmacology. Orange has funded research for these mightilly. 

The Mango Mussolini doesn't fund anything.  Congress, specifically the House funds things.

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[Lawrence Crowell]

On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 8:15:35 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

You don't require a great conspiracy if one is of like mind already. You then have volunteers, who decide to act in the 'enemies,' interests because they hate their own homeland. All the students at Oxford and Cambridge who volunteered to be Stalin's spies, were enthusiastic supporters of his already. The French who already admired Hitler, ended up, when Hitler invaded in June 1940, were happy to join the Vichey government, in its round ups and deportations to the 'East.' So, today all the BLMAntifa types, fit this model. Biden seems disinvolved with so many critical things, I don't see him even funding research as well as the Orange dude. Ten years ago calling dems commies was crazy, today, those same politicians have morphed like a virus, into true totalitariansm. Hating freedom of speech everywhere. 1st ammedment, dear hearts. 

You need to take a bath, a mental bath. 

LC

[John Clark]

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 6:17 PM Lawrence Crowell <goldenfield...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Even in the 1950s the fear over an "international communist conspiracy" was overblown.

Even in the 1950s people should've known that Communism could not win in the long term because that sort of economic system is inherently far less efficient than Capitalism, but given that nuclear weapons had just been discovered it wasn't entirely clear to a lot of people that there would even be a long term. And we now know that Joe-1, the USSR's first nuclear bomb test in 1949, was not just similar to America's Trinity bomb test in 1945 it was identical right down to the placement of screw holes; Soviet scientists wanted to improve the design but the head of the project, Stalin's secret policeman Lavrentiy Beria, refused to let them change a thing because he knew for a fact that this design would work (thanks to Klaus Fuchs) and if the bomb test turned out to be a dud Stalin would've had everybody involved, including Beria himself, shot. So America's fear of spies in the 1950s was not entirely unfounded.

John K Clark

[John Clark]

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 9:02 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> If The Donald is an imbecile,

If? IF?!!

>so then, was virologist (HIV guy) Faucci, his advisor. 

BULLSHIT! Dr. Fauci has risked his life battling infectious disease for 40 years and in the scientific community no Epidemiologist is more respected than he is. Can you imagine Donald Trump caring for somebody infected with Ebola? I can't, but Dr. Fauci has done exactly that, and yet today he's in the most danger he's ever been in and must be protected with armed guards so he won't be assassinated by MAGA  Hatter Trump Zombies.  

 

> I have zero problem with masks, if they work. The information, is conflicting

BULLSHIT! The consensus that masks work is as close as the scientific community ever gets to being unanimous. 

 

> They had bad experiences with Communist Party [ ...blah blah...]

Today the only thing communist about the Chinese Communist Party is the name. All communists are totalitarians but not all totalitarians are communists.  

 

> Biden is not that sharp and neither is Kamala.

Sharp would be very nice but after 4 years of jaw-dropping astronomical stupidity just regular everyday stupidity would seem like a gift from heaven.  

 

> Would you like to impose a locked-down border, John?

If there is a lockdown on the Mexico/US border it's Mexico that will have a reason for doing it not the US.  Mexico has 6,610 cases of COVID-19 per million people, the US has 25,511. And there already is a travel ban between America and Europe, but it was implemented by the European Union not the US because America is where the world's virus hotspot is. And that fact should make all Americans feel ashamed.  

One last question Spud, I like to ask this whenever I run into a MAGA Hatter. If Trump loses the election will you support him using force to stay in the White House after January 20, 2021?

John K Clark

[Lawrence Crowell]

When I was a kid my favorite Saturday morning cartoon was Rocky and Bullwinkle. The characters Boris and Natashia were Russian-like and they were always up to mischief. The Russians since the time of the 19th century Tsars did this sort of thing, and they were sort of good at it. Even today indictments against Russian agents who engaged in cyber-attacks were brought forth. 

Klaus Fuchs was an interesting character, and his motivations for giving the atomic bomb secrets to the USSR were complicated. He was to a degree motivated by a worry that if one nation in the world possessed this weapon the temptation to use it to further expansion would be too much. The conditions of the world were very different then. The United States stood in an unassailable position, economically, politically and militarily. The USSR was powerful, but largely in shear mass and numbers. The red army was huge and battered its way into the eastern part of the Nazi empire in 1945. Russia suffered enormous casualties and material destruction and they ended up occupying the weaker and damaged eastern European regions. The old news reels showing a red tide moving across eastern Europe were in some ways not that surprising; E. Germany, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia etc were weak, damaged and in the few post war years the within the US/UK there was not a lot of political interest in these regions.  The USSR really saw their situation as very secondary to the US and getting the bomb was at a premium. Fuchs saw the potential asymmetry of a nuclear US unipolar power as dangerous. So A + B = C happened.

After the Korean war, which in a way cemented in the world order of post WWII, things more or less stabilized as far as communist take overs. There were some things going on in SE Asia, and the US of course way over reacted which got us into the Vietnam War. However, communism largely slowed its progression in the world as people saw the problems with it. The attractiveness of communism began to wane. 

LC

[spudb...@aol.com]

You need to face reality that the US middle class won't be dictated to by a collective of totalitarian minded academics, oligarchs, and media. Life is a learning experience and I forecast you will be compelled to learn this. You will not be alone. Toodles. 

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[spudb...@aol.com]

So, does this mean we can't count on you supporting the president? Shocking. Instead, you'll support the party of academic fascists, married to corporate elites who fund them, their Blmtifa Vanguard of the Proletariat, and media and entertainment mouthpieces. The US middle class may rebel, vigorously, as such a causation, as it did in 2016, whomever, "wins." 

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[Brent Meeker]

On 10/20/2020 7:33 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

You need to face reality that the US middle class won't be dictated to by a collective of totalitarian minded academics, oligarchs, and media.

Another imaginary threat that your poor people are subjected to.  It must really hurt when people telling you facts feels like dictation.  The only totalitarian around is the Mango Mussoliini.

Life is a learning experience and I forecast you will be compelled to learn this. You will not be alone. Toodles.

Remember your Dear Leader loves the uneducated.

Brent

[Brent Meeker]

On 10/20/2020 7:39 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

So, does this mean we can't count on you supporting the president? Shocking. Instead, you'll support the party of academic fascists, married to corporate elites who fund them, their Blmtifa Vanguard of the Proletariat, and media and entertainment mouthpieces.

I'll be supporting people who have some idea of what science is for. 

The US middle class may rebel, vigorously, as such a causation, as it did in 2016, whomever, "wins."

I am in the middle class.  And we've what Trump has done to trash the nation.  The rebellion is going throw the spineless Repugs out of the Senate.

Brent

[spudb...@aol.com]

It depends of what one is cognizant of? If you, like John, haven't heard or seen of any disturbances from BLMTifa, and think in any case that their activities are minor, and "mostly peaceful," then, then yes, you are screening out information that goes against the narrative. The Mussolini appellation, is merely damning Golden Boy with faint praise, because Benito's cohorts, Franco. Hitler, and Stalin, were far more bloodthirsty, than old iL Duce ever was. 

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Politically, despite the pollsters trying to shape opinion deliberately (paid to encourage some while discouraging others), the way it goes is somewhat difficult to predict. You may consider yourself middle class, but if you align yourself with the interest of billionaire oligarchs, Globalists, without any approbation, you are basically saying, 'I have no interests, I merely know who I hate.' Reason doesn't matter, and neither does additional information. 

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[Lawrence Crowell]

IMO based on your posts you might do yourself the best favor by seeking some form of counseling or therapy. Your writing suggests you are a case of, or close to the edge of, mental illness.

LC

[spudb...@aol.com]

Thanks, Lawrence. As Woody Allen once quipped. "I'd get electro-covnvulsive shock, but there's an energy crisis." I believe, honestly, that you, yourself are screening out how the world really is. In other words, I could see evidence of paranoia in myself if I blamed say, Warren Buffet (Berkshire-Hathaway), for me not being a Lochheed-Martin test pilot. Yes, that would be hard to justify. This is zero about me, but it is about us, us being the US middle class. Permit me to cut back to this 2014 Princeton University study indicating that we are neither (defacto) a democracy or a republic, but an oligarchy. My contention is that the billionaire globalists have done economic harm to the the US middle class. My only addlition, that the harm is conducted irrespective of party or ideological leaning. The defense contractors that bribe the Republican politicians, are as bad as the Hedge Fund managers and Sili Valley corporatists that fund the Democrats. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-finds-that-the-us-is-an-oligarchy-2014-4

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