Unofficial "Against the Current" by Chris Granger

[John Kimber]

Great talk covering history of LightTable to Eve from Chris at this year's Splash/LIVE. Video lags, and recording from member of audience. Still, very watchable!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT2CMS0MxJ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThjFFDwOXok&t=616s

[Pascal Bergmann]

Thanks a lot!

[John Kimber]

On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 2:34:44 AM UTC-5, Pascal Bergmann wrote:

Thanks a lot!

Here's the transcript to go along with the talk.

https://beta.observablehq.com/@jashkenas/against-the-current-what-we-learned-from-eve-transcript

[Pascal Bergmann]

Chris gave a very insightful talk there.

I cannot believe there's no market for Eve. As far as I understand, the latest (never shown in public) version makes it very easy to create business software. As far as I can tell, enterprises actively try to enable their knowledge workers. Easy customizability becomes more and more important. Giants like SAP loose ground due to innovative entrants that focus on usability, customizability and low entry barriers. Look at "SAP" vs. "OpenERP" in Google Trends for example.

Did one ever try to sell Eve as a business software development kit? Odoo S.A. does well with keeping the core open source and adding proprietary parts and services on top (nicer design, mobile apps, specific features, hosting, 3rd party integration etc.). It's basically a freemium model with high switching costs for users.

I'd wish someone did another Kickstarter. Eve is technically brilliant. Just the business model was not... I'd recommend the business model canvas or the lean canvas to work on that. I'm sure everybody heard about that already; but it's really worth it to also use it ;)

[William Taysom]

Impressive technical ideas and provocative demos do not sellable software make.  If only we had a way to narrow the gap between concept and execution?  ;-)

[da...@melax.ca]

Wonderful talk.  But what it didn't do is talk about what Chris Granger is up to now.  Does he work for another company now?  Does he have a new project?  

Does anybody know?

[Do Uble]

Eve just science. Market is marketing. For example, emacs, vim, Sublime Text, LightTable actual in their time. At vim days no market. At LightTable days good market, but no editors. We have multiple implementations different ideas for free now. Multiple technologies that cover big area from like React, Rust and NodeJS up to VS Code and Godot with Unity3D. Multiple templates engine, ES7, Swift and many many other things.

I'm analyzing EVE from begining. Not much cool solutions until today. For example, Bret Victor https://dynamicland.org/about-us/ or Scott Davidson http://www.grasshopper3d.com/ another right candidates for the future, but Eve is more fundamental. Here is desert without water.

As practical man I select iOS for my 25 Eve compiler by business vision. I can talk more, but everything in development stage. You can check some apps made by my solution here https://twitter.com/acpustudio

вт, 13 нояб. 2018 г. в 04:47, Pascal Bergmann <pub...@corepulse.de>:

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[fgeo...@tamu.edu]

I also agree that Eve as vaporware makes no sense.  It's brilliant on so many levels.  I don't think there will ever be another product that merges this idea of databases and code living and working together synergistically like Eve did.  I just don't see it happening.  

[Liam Proven]

Firstly, please bottom-post on mailing lists.

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 22:08, Do Uble <d08...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Eve just science. Market is marketing. For example, emacs, vim, Sublime Text, LightTable actual in their time. At vim days no market. At LightTable days good market, but no editors. We have multiple implementations different ideas for free now. Multiple technologies that cover big area from like React, Rust and NodeJS up to VS Code and Godot with Unity3D. Multiple templates engine, ES7, Swift and many many other things.
>
> I'm analyzing EVE from begining. Not much cool solutions until today. For example, Bret Victor https://dynamicland.org/about-us/ or Scott Davidson http://www.grasshopper3d.com/ another right candidates for the future, but Eve is more fundamental. Here is desert without water.
>
> As practical man I select iOS for my 25 Eve compiler by business vision. I can talk more, but everything in development stage. You can check some apps made by my solution here https://twitter.com/acpustudio

I don't know about anyone else, but I am afraid I cannot understand any of this.

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[Simon Hughes]

He works for Looker

On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 6:59:40 PM UTC-6, da...@melax.ca wrote:

Wonderful talk.  But what it didn't do is talk about what Chris Granger is up to now.  Does he work for another company now?  Does he have a new project?  

Does anybody know?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-granger-eve/

Simon 

[Zubair Quraishi]

Yeah, Looker seems like quite a cool company. I hope that they can revive Eve in some form :)