[EVBC] Stuck Door

[Victor Carre]

OK, this is a somewhat embarassing question.  The passenger door on my 64 Barracuda is stuck shut.  How can I get it open without breaking something?  Here are the symptoms.  The outside lock cylinder seems to be broken but I can pull up the lock from inside the car.  It seems to be unlocked.  Lifting up on the inside door handle does nothing.  Pulling from outside no luck there either.  The door does not seem to be 100% closed.  I can see a little bit of misalignment where the closed door meets the body but pretty minor.  I am getting ready to remove the inside door panel but with the door closed it will be difficult to get to all the screws.  And if I do get the panel off, then what?

[Dustin C.]

My 65 had the issue like this. A wire got stuck in the door jam. I climbed in, and with my left foot, I pulled the door handle down and with my right I kicked the door. About 3 solid kicks and it came open.

Dustin

65 Barracuda "Commando V8"
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:40:11 -0800
From: book...@yahoo.com
Subject: [EVBC] Stuck Door
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OK, this is a somewhat embarassing question.  The passenger door on my 64 Barracuda is stuck shut.  How can I get it open without breaking something?  Here are the symptoms.  The outside lock cylinder seems to be broken but I can pull up the lock from inside the car.  It seems to be unlocked.  Lifting up on the inside door handle does nothing.  Pulling from outside no luck there either.  The door does not seem to be 100% closed.  I can see a little bit of misalignment where the closed door meets the body but pretty minor.  I am getting ready to remove the inside door panel but with the door closed it will be difficult to get to all the screws.  And if I do get the panel off, then what?

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[D. Howland]

If you manage to get the door panel off, it should be pretty obvious what is broken. Could it be locked? Kicking on it if it's locked sounds unproductive and possibly destructive.

 

Daryl

64 Valiant

[Jim Bowen]

Go buy a 'slim jim'.  They are available at some auto parts stores, places like Harbor Freight, etc.  They are used to steal cars get into cars that were accidentally locked. 

If you slip a 'slim jim' between the outside of the door and the glass, you can capture the wire that attaches to the latch mechanism.  (Instructions are included with the device.)  This should allow you to make sure the latch is open...and then a little force might do the trick.

I suggest you practice on the other door first, since it should behave properly!

Jim (not so slim...)

[dav...@juno.com]

Call a locksmith and pay him to open the door.

If you use a slim jim on the good door, you could pop some of the linkage
off and then you will have two non-opening doors. You probably do not
want that.

Been there and done that. :-)

Dave Schoenberg
Arvada, Colorado
'65 Signet Convertible, 2 '65 Cudas and a bunch of others over the years.
Learned to drive on a the Valiant and a '65 Cuda...... and they were 4
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:37:14 -0800 Jim Bowen <bow...@cox.net> writes:

> If you slip a 'slim jim' between the outside of the door and the
> glass, you can capture the wire that attaches to the latch
> mechanism. (Instructions are included with the device.) This
> should
> allow you to make sure the latch is open...and then a little force
> might do the trick.
>
> I suggest you practice on the other door first, since it should
> behave properly!

> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <mailto:book...@yahoo.com>Victor Carre
> >To: <mailto:evbc...@googlegroups.com>evbc...@googlegroups.com
> >Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 1:40 PM
> >Subject: [EVBC] Stuck Door
> >
> >OK, this is a somewhat embarassing question. The passenger door on
> >my 64 Barracuda is stuck shut. How can I get it open without
> >breaking something? Here are the symptoms. The outside lock
> >cylinder seems to be broken but I can pull up the lock from inside
> >the car. It seems to be unlocked. Lifting up on the inside door
> >handle does nothing. Pulling from outside no luck there
> >either. The door does not seem to be 100% closed. I can see a
> >little bit of misalignment where the closed door meets the body but
> >pretty minor. I am getting ready to remove the inside door panel
> >but with the door closed it will be difficult to get to all the
> >screws. And if I do get the panel off, then what?

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[kelly pate]

First there is a "clip" that holds the "LOCK" to the latch, and if the "clip' is gone, then the "PULL/LOCK" will not un-lock the door.  Sometimes closing the door will un-lock it if you don't hold the "button-in" when you close the door. Second, removing the front seat will let you get to the  "screws" to remove the door-panel so you can get to the mechanical latch. Third, if the "screws" that hold the latch to the door are not "aligned" correctly, the "button will not engage the "latch" and the door will not open?   Good Luck
   Kelly "Ole Car Man" Pate
 

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[Victor Carre]

I still don't have the door open but here's what I've done so far.  I did manage to get the inside door panel off.  Two of the screws were difficult but not impossible to get to with the door shut.  Even with the door panel off it is difficult to see inside the door.    The first thing I noticed was the little bar from the pop up lock was not connected to anything.  So pulling up the lock is not doing anything.  Next I lifted the inside door handle.  It does move the rod connected to the latch but it does not appear to move any of the latch parts.  Examining the good door, I see that lifting the door handle allows the latch "star wheel" to rotate freely.  So I am thinking my problem is that the latch parts are not working/connected and the "star wheel" is still latched and not free wheeling.    Next I am going to try to move some of the latch parts with a screwdriver but any other thoughts?  Anyone have an exploded view drawing of the latch mechanism?   Vic --- On Tue, 12/15/09, kelly pate <knl...@msn.com> wrote:

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[eric cooper]

for now it sounds like the door is still in locked position so you just need to try to do what your going to do and get a long screwdriver or something and eather move the lock up or try to move the handle latch

ericcuda eric

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[steve wander]

Yes, I believe the lock rod lets the door handle do its thing, ie if the lock is still engaged, the handle is not allowed to actuate the latch, as if the lock rod in the unlocked position is part of the mechanical train to get the latch to actuate. 

[D. Howland]

There is a diagram of the door mechanism in the service manual. Make sure the door is unlocked by pulling up on the lever the pop up is supposed to be connected to. If it is definitely unlocked, spray liberally with wd40 or whatever to free it up. You're almost there.

[Ed Diemer]

I am attempting to attach the two relevant pages from the '65 Plymouth Service manual. It appears you can't remove either side of the lock hardware until you open the door!

 

Ed

65 Barracuda Commando/4spd

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Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 8:53:58 AM

[Victor Carre]

I finally got the stinkin' door open.  With the door panel off and Ed's picture, I determined that things looked like they should work.  I did not see anything obviously broken.  So, I took Dustin's advice.  I held the door handle up and my son sat in the back seat and kicked the door a few times right near the latch and the door came flying open.   So the real problem is that the door is slightly misaligned.  It appears to have dropped down a 1/4" or so.  My next job will be to try to adjust the door back in to position.  I was wondering if the hinge pins are replaceable?   Thanks for the help all.  Vic --- On Tue, 12/22/09, Ed Diemer <ae...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

[kelly pate]

HEY.......glad to see ya got the door open, so you understand if the "latch" is not aligned PERFECT! you'll have the same problem. I have a 64 Valiant Convertable, and I need to take the door off, repair the metal, so the latch will "STAY" in alighnment, have to push the botton several times to get the door to open, question is "when will it fail"?  Good luck on the pins.

               Kelly "Ole Car Man" Pate
 

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:08:15 -0800
From: book...@yahoo.com

[dav...@juno.com]

Might not be the pins at all - the door (or hinge mount) may have just
sagged from age. In fact, I don't believe the pins themselves usually
wear that much. The holes the pins go through usually wear into an
oblong shape and cause looseness.

1) Is the door lined up (except the latch) just before you engage the
latch? Is the door visibly too low?

2) With the door almost closed, can you jiggle the door up and down on
the hinges? Any slack here should be hinge pins, but the slop may
actually be an oblong hole in the hinge, no the pins themselves. If the
holes the pins go through are simply oblonged, you can fill the holes by
welding and redrill so the pins fit tightly.

3) If you can't jiggle the door up and down and the body lines line up,
just realign the latch to work.

4) If you can't jiggle the door up and down, the hinges are mounted to
the body and door tightly (haven't moved and caused the door to drop)
,and the body lines do not line up, the door has sagged. You can
possibly bend things back into alignment by placing a 2x4 between the
bottom of the door and the sill plate, as far forward as possible, then
GENTLY pushing the door towards the closed position and GENTLY bouncing
it against the wood. Believe it or not, this is an old body shop trick
and works very well in some cases to bend things back into position.

Dave Schoenberg
Arvada, Colorado
'65 Signet Convertible, 2 '65 Cudas and a bunch of others over the years.
Learned to drive on a the Valiant and a '65 Cuda...... and they were 4
years old at the time.....

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:15:29 -0700 kelly pate <knl...@msn.com> writes:
>
> HEY.......glad to see ya got the door open, so you understand if the
> "latch" is not aligned PERFECT! you'll have the same problem. I have
> a 64 Valiant Convertable, and I need to take the door off, repair
> the metal, so the latch will "STAY" in alighnment, have to push the
> botton several times to get the door to open, question is "when will
> it fail"? Good luck on the pins.
>
> Kelly "Ole Car Man" Pate
>
>
>

> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:08:15 -0800
> From: book...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [EVBC] Stuck Door
> To: evbc...@googlegroups.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I finally got the stinkin' door open. With the door panel off and
> Ed's picture, I determined that things looked like they should work.
> I did not see anything obviously broken. So, I took Dustin's
> advice. I held the door handle up and my son sat in the back seat
> and kicked the door a few times right near the latch and the door
> came flying open.
>
> So the real problem is that the door is slightly misaligned. It
> appears to have dropped down a 1/4" or so. My next job will be to
> try to adjust the door back in to position. I was wondering if the
> hinge pins are replaceable?
>
> Thanks for the help all. Vic
>
> --- On Tue, 12/22/09, Ed Diemer <ae...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Ed Diemer <ae...@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [EVBC] Stuck Door
> To: evbc...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 3:58 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I am attempting to attach the two relevant pages from the '65
> Plymouth Service manual. It appears you can't remove either side of
> the lock hardware until you open the door!
>

> Ed
> 65 Barracuda Commando/4spd

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[stevea...@ntlworld.com]

Hi Victor,

Glad to hear you got the door open. I had a similar problem with worn hinges a few years ago and as I recall this is how it went:
The hinges are case hardened so it is not practical to attempt to drill or ream out the holes to fit a bush and a new pin. I ended up grinding out the old oval holes and fitting a Chevy replacement bush and pin (all I could get at the time). This ended up working very well but for the amount of time and effort it took I would replace the hinge completely if at all possable if I had to do it again.

As I said that was years ago and things may have changed now.

Best of luck,

Steve.

64 Barracuda, England.

[Mark Koenig]

I bought a hinge pin kit for my '66 Barracuda from NAPA around 4 years ago. They should still be available. I can look around for the part number if you need it.

Mark Koenig

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[Dustin C.]

Glad to hear you got it open!

Dustin

65 Barracuda "Commando V8"
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