Re: Preregistration EPC 2016

[Patrik Pal Bodin]

Hi!

Yes! Use the groups! No massive number of individual addresses, please. Moving this thread. Cross-posting it to two groups - please join both (if you are European). The European group is rather dead, but we should revive it for Europe-specific matters.

Regarding world wide register solution: I'd like to let each country decide their rules on who to pre-register etc. Sweden always go by the IFPA ranking at a set date - but there are other ways to determine who to pre-register (for instance, the national championships results, or a country-specific satellite/qualification tournament, etc). So my opinions:

1. Let each country decide their own criteria.

2. Country directors are responsible for pre-registration (it is as easy a setting a date and starting a forum thread where people can announce that they are interested - you don't have to personally hunt down and alert every single player).

3. The public registration for the rest of the players at the tournament web page is up to each player on their own.

A global tournament alert system at IFPA could still be nice to have though, for other reasons.

Regards

/P

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On Jun 28, 2016, at 01:58, Are Stig Larsen <l...@rsen.no> wrote:

This is in my opinion a wider problem. Country directors cannot be expected to alert every player that "meets this and that criteria" made by organizer Bob or Joe based on random emails in their inbox.

Not only that, when people within the say top 5-20 eagerly announce they would like to reserve a spot, number 1-5 does not even bother to decide until deadline, much less bother to reply.

Rather there should be a world-wide implemented solution where the players themselves can announce what they are interested in, and they can be contacted directly based on their preferences. IMO the place for this would be the IFPA website. Default settings "everything" and they can deselect themselves at any time, given you have to sign up in the first place. Organizers can design their criteria and announce their event, all interested players will be alerted. Automated criteria's, automated deadlines.    

In my opinion the above would solve the most important problem we are facing today, at least if I speak for Norway, but I would assume many others face the same challenge: How can we reach out to as many players as possible and alert them of our events. 

One other thing who tracks the recpient list in this email thread? Who can say in a hartbeat that all necessary parties are part of it? I for sure cannot. That is why we have groups. 

:are

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Janek Nietrzebka <dzony...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank You Guys for all opinions! 

I’m forwarding them directly to organisers, as good advices from more experienced people. 

Let’s stay in touch!

Janek

Wiadomość napisana przez Ales Rebec <ales...@gmail.com> w dniu 27.06.2016, o godz. 15:14:

Hi,

I'm sorry to say, but there are some really weird decisions made by the organizers.

First: Pre-registration coming from each individual? Really? Then why do we have County Directors? To hunt people around explaining them they have to send an email to register? Probably not.

Proposition: Accept CDs list of 5 people (with emails) that can be checked on ifpa rating board and/or if they insist to get an email from those 5 pre-registrants they can send out confirmation emails so the pre-registrants can confirm their participation.

Second: Not a big one, but this is European Pinball Championship with registration that opens at 2 AM. I don't know how many Europeans will be in the United States at that time but some of us in Europe will probably sleep at that time.

No harm feelings. Just trying to help making the registration experience more intuitive for everybody.

Regards,

Ales Rebec

 

On 27 June 2016 at 13:57, Janek Nietrzebka <dzony...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, that’s right.

It’s organisers request.

Wiadomość napisana przez Martin Ayub <ma...@martinayub.com> w dniu 27.06.2016, o godz. 13:51:

Janek,

I sent a list of the 5 UK players but I was told the pre-registration e-mails have to come from each of the 5 players individually, not from the Country Director.  Is that right?

Cheers,

Martin.

On 27 June 2016 at 12:47, Janek Nietrzebka <dzony...@gmail.com> wrote:

Registration starts 4.07.2016, at 2:00 am :)

Cheers,

Janek

Wiadomość napisana przez wppr-g...@gmx.de w dniu 27.06.2016, o godz. 10:15:

Thank you for the information. I think the question was a result of your information that 5 slots should be reserved for each country. :) Okay, now we/ I have it (I think)...

 

Next (perhaps last) question: When will the registration be opened? I read about 04.07.2016 at 2 a.m. It that right? Because of the high interest it would be nice to get that info. :)

 

Regards

Tobias

 

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Betreff: Re: Preregistration EPC 2016

According to questions - preregistration is available for players ranked 1-5 in WPPR on Your country at day 24.06.2016.

 

If players ranked on places 1-5 can’t attend there is no pre registration.

 

Now it should be clear :)

 

For our convenience please send preregistrations in format:

Name, IFPA Nr, Country

 

Have a good weekend!

Janek

 

Wiadomość napisana przez Janek Nietrzebka <dzony...@gmail.com> w dniu 24.06.2016, o godz. 19:41:

 

Country Directors,

 

EPC 2016 preregistration is available for five best players from each country ( by IFPA ranking at day 24.06.2016 r.). 

 

Application must be send until 23:59 03.07.2016 r. by email 

to preregi...@epc2016.pl 

 

It means if five best players can't attend, there is no preregistration for Your country.

 

Cheers,

Janek

[Are Stig Larsen]

"2. Country directors are responsible for pre-registration." 

Not OK. CD cannot be expected to magically know of every single tournament and after that be expected to act on them all. We, or at least I think that I am human and I will surely miss out on some of them. Like I said, there needs to be a system that allows for the alerts to go directly to every single player that has asked for this information. Likewise I am not at all confident my forum posts reach all the players. This, however, I will act on and announce a forum as the single place for tournament information. The forum supports email alerts for those who want it, so it will be "kind of fixed". 

:are

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[Peter Reinhold]

On 2016-06-28 13:13, Patrik Pal Bodin wrote:

> a country-specific satellite/qualification tournament, etc). So my
> opinions:
>
> 1. Let each country decide their own criteria.
> 2. Country directors are responsible for pre-registration (it is as
> easy a setting a date and starting a forum thread where people can
> announce that they are interested - you don't have to personally hunt
> down and alert every single player).
> 3. The public registration for the rest of the players at the
> tournament web page is up to each player on their own.

I'm guessing that most, if not all, countries have some form of a
national forum facilitation communication, at least I know that Sweden
and Denmark does.

Other than that, I very much agree with Patriks opinions, let each
country decide their selection process for themselves, it has worked
without any problems for us, and it makes sure that players that want to
participate, can.

Personally, i'm not a fan of the top-five-IFPA players only, used for
the polish part of EPC, I would much have preferred that there were five
slots which could be given to players that are willing and interested,
and then let the country directors handle any disputes if more than five
are interested. (Be it IFPA rank, last five tournaments played, number
of tournaments or anything else)

I understand that there can be an interest in getting as many top-tier
players to a tournament, but if five danish players are willing to go,
but only two are in the actual top five, I really can't see any
reasonable reason for not letting the three others participate as well,
diversity of the playerbase is a pretty nice metric as well.

But these are just my opinions.


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/Peter

[Peter Reinhold]

On 2016-06-28 13:31, Are Stig Larsen wrote:

> _"2. Country directors are responsible for pre-registration." _

> Not OK. CD cannot be expected to magically know of every single
> tournament and after that be expected to act on them all. We, or at

I think if a tournament has pre registrations for international players,
then it will have been announced on either the IFPA list, or on this
lesser used Euro list.

I agree that CDs should not have to actively seek out tournaments with
open pre registrations, the TDs should be responsible for alerting the
CDs, if they are interested in international players.


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/Peter

[Patrik Pal Bodin]

Hi Are

This is the way I treat the problem:

1. Other country directors alert me of their tournaments (through an email to this group).

2. I start a thread in the forum about the tournament, including info like registration deadline, web page etc (as given in the email to the group).

3. If there is pre-registrations (or national team tournaments, etc) available, I start a thread where people can announce their participation.

4. At the set date, I pre-register the X number of pre-registered players, based on WPPR ranking, and inform the forum.

If there's no announcement about the tournament in this group, the tournament organizer will have to spread the knowledge in other ways. If any player is not reading the forum, he will not be pre-registered.

Alert directly to players from IFPA would still be good though, if there's time and resources (read: Brian) for the development.

Regards

/P

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[Josh Sharpe]

I can certainly lend space on the IFPA page to manage registration for the EPC if that makes the most sense. (Similar to what we do for SCS and IFPA WC registration)

Also I can easily pull email addresses for players within any country, so if that is ever needed don't hesitate to ask.

Josh

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[Peter Reinhold]

On 2016-06-27 15:14, Ales Rebec wrote:

> Second: Not a big one, but this is European Pinball Championship with
> registration that opens at 2 AM. I don't know how many Europeans will

I just wanted to chime in on this as well, is there any reasonable
explanation as to why the registration opens in the middle of the night?

I really think you should reconsider this, and move it to a more
sensible time, like 8 in the morning CET.


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/Peter