EPC2013 in Hungary Budapest

[József Vasmatics (Marcipa)]

Hi All,

As we talk about it in e-mails.
In 2013 We would like to organise an EPC in Hungary.

Anibody has some problem with that?

Waiting for the answers

Cheers
Jozsef
Vice president of the Hungarian Pinball Federation

[József Vasmatics]

Hi All,


We are sorry to inform you, that considering the current financial situation and the poor club resources which are not enough to organize a high standard European Championship in Hungary 2013, unfortunately we have to give back the right for the organization of the event.

Please choose another country,

Kind Regards

Jozsef Vasmatics (Marcipa)
Hungarian Country Director

Vice president of the Hungarian Pinball Federation

2010/10/28 József Vasmatics (Marcipa) <marc...@gmail.com>

[alessio crisantemi]

Dear All,

I announced our reservation For EPC 2014 in Italy. At this moment, I'm not ready for promise an European Championship just in 2013.

best

Alessi Crisantemi

Ifpa country Director for Italy

2012/6/21 József Vasmatics <marc...@gmail.com>

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[INK]

That's really sad to read József - we were all looking forward to a
nice stay in Budapest. :-(

So who will take this arrangement and make it a really good one for
2013?


/ INK

[József Vasmatics]

Yes. I'm sad about it too.

J

2012/6/22 INK <in...@pinballseye.se>

[Phillip Eaton]

Sorry to read you're finding difficulties, József, I really enjoyed Budapest last time I was there.

Let's hope Europe gets back on it's feet in the not too distant future

and our pinball can benefit from more prosperous times.

Phil

On Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:24:00 AM UTC+2, József Vasmatics (Marcipa) wrote:

Yes. I'm sad about it too.

J

2012/6/22 INK

That's really sad to read József - we were all looking forward to a

nice stay in Budapest.  :-(

So who will take this arrangement and make it a really good one for
2013?


/ INK

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[INK]

How about having EPC 2013 in Borås, Sweden? 

I have enough machines and a few good tournament system to choose from that is known to premiere the good players. All I need to do is to remove a few machines from my game room or rent another location and it's a go. 

Both my annual tournaments (Borås Pinball Open / Borås Pinball Classic Open) each draw about 100 players and I've arranged the Swedish Nationals (160+ players) a few years back so I can handle the logistics.

Borås is just a 30 minutes drive from Landvetter Airport and about 40 km from Vårgårda where the IFPA 2011 was held. The Pre-IFPA tournament that year was held at my place.

[Silverballgames]

I love Sweden !!!  :-)

 

 

 

Op zondag 1 juli 2012 23:06:06 UTC+2 schreef INK het volgende:

[Michael Meti Trepp]

sound good. I don't think somebody else is really willing/able to
organize it in this short time. some are hoping that it could be in
Germany the weekend before the IFPA, but I don't know anything about
their plans...
michael

[INK]

Personally I don't think one should put two tournament of that size next to each other (not fun to miss both of them for example). And there should definitely not be allowed non-europeans in the EPC. 

/ INK

[Olli-Mikko]

On Monday, July 2, 2012 8:47:40 PM UTC+3, INK wrote:

Personally I don't think one should put two tournament of that size next to each other (not fun to miss both of them for example). And there should definitely not be allowed non-europeans in the EPC. 

Hi there Christian and big thanks for offering your awesome place to host the 2013 EPC!

There has been some kind of tradition for past years to combine some other bigger tournament and IFPA for one weekend and the next one. I think there is a good reason to do this: to offer the IFPA participants even better reason to travel a long way to play pinball, but also to raise the level of the other tournament too, since some players from other continents who wouldn't be there otherwise would attend.

That is the reason why, in my opinion, the best situation would be to have EPC and IFPA on consecutive weekends and in the same country or at least nearby. That is why I would love to see EPC held next year in Germany (or in the Netherlands, or somewhere else nearby?) one week before IFPA10. But since I don't represent any of the countries mentioned above, this is just my own personal wish, which may not, and most likely will not, be possible to happen at all. I still would like to hear from the representatives of these countries, before giving you the green light to organize the event.

If the combination I suggested isn't possible, it would be awesome to see you organizing EPC2013. (Any possibility of you doing co-operation with IFPA and organizing the tournament a week before IFPA10? Borås isn't that far away from Frankfurt anyway ;-) I know you would want to do something better than the crappy "play six games once in qualifications and have all play-offs played best of one game" format, which sadly has been the traditional format of EPC's past years. And also the quality of the games in your location is something that the players in EPC would really appreciate!

What comes to the comment about not allowing non-europeans to EPC, I have to disagree with you. EPC is one of the major tournaments of the season (giving also an extra amount of WPPR points), so it really should have also all the best players there playing despite where they come from. And I think it would be against IFPA rules to restrict players to participate based on their country, so making that kind of restriction would then take out all the WPPR points from the tournament.

Just my two cents, all others feel free to share your thoughts on this important topic!


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[INK]

Thanks for the kind words regarding me as and organizer. And regarding your thoughts about the last few years system I'm preparing a few posts in other threads here.  ;-)

Yes, of course there should be a big tournament next to the IFPA (like I did the Pre-IFPA in 2011), but it don't have to (and shouldn't) be the EPC - it could be any tournament. 

The reason I don't think non-Europeans should be allowed in the EPC is simply that the tournament is designed (or should be) to find the best European player and that could be ruined when some of the participants are from other countries. 

For example, Jorian have qualified as #1 in the EPC 2013, wins his first playoff round, but hey, then he goes up agains Bowen - and looses - he's out of the tournament at below 9th place! In the following match, Bowen has a very bad day and looses against you (!) - OMO is in the finals! But what if you had met JOE instead? I don't say he had won - but now he didn't even had the chance. My point in this example is that Jorian may be the best European player but if he is eliminated by an American all that is turned upside down. 

Did you see any South American teams in the European Football Championships last week? I don't think so. Keep the EPC the EPC.

And there are WPPR-tournaments with closed entries so that won't be a problem. A good example would be the Swedish Nationals - which is open for swedish citizens only - according to the example above.

/ INK

Ps. When I arranged the Danish Open Nationals 2010 - I explained this problem for them and solved it, not by letting the best Dane out of the tournament be the Danish Champion (that would obviously be wrong), but by letting the four best Danes out of the Qualifications play for the title Danish Pinball Champion 2010 alongside (or after) the ordinary play. Ds.

[Josh Sharpe]

On Jul 4, 3:13 am, INK <i...@pinballseye.se> wrote:
> Yes, of course there should be a big tournament next to the IFPA (like I
> did the Pre-IFPA in 2011), but it don't have to (and shouldn't) be the EPC
> - it could be any tournament.

Allow me to disagree with you here. I think having the EPC the week
before IFPA will only help draw better players to both events. The
only data point we have in the US/Canada is looking at how many
players traveled across the pond to London for IFPA6, versus how many
traveled across the pond to Sweden for IFPA8.

19 players traveled to play in IFPA6, with a majority of those players
competing in the EPC a week before.
4 players traveled to play in IFPA8 (myself, Zach, Trent, Cayle), and
all 4 of us were very excited about competing at BPP.

My goal with the EPC would be to do whatever things possible to
motivate the best players in the world to show up, and clearly having
IFPA the week after has shown to do that (with the extremely limited
data available).

> > The reason I don't think non-Europeans should be allowed in the EPC is
> simply that the tournament is designed (or should be) to find the best
> European player and that could be ruined when some of the participants are
> from other countries.
>
> For example, Jorian have qualified as #1 in the EPC 2013, wins his first
> playoff round, but hey, then he goes up agains Bowen - and looses - he's
> out of the tournament at below 9th place! In the following match, Bowen has
> a very bad day and looses against you (!) - OMO is in the finals! But what
> if you had met JOE instead? I don't say he had won - but now he didn't even
> had the chance. My point in this example is that Jorian may be the best
> European player but if he is eliminated by an American all that is turned
> upside down.
>
> Did you see any South American teams in the European Football Championships
> last week? I don't think so. Keep the EPC the EPC.

I couldn't possibly disagree with you more on this. You can give
sporting examples where on European teams compete, and I can give
examples where they don't (British Open in golf, which is the
equivalent of the "EPC of professional golf", is often won by people
outside of Europe. The US Open in golf, the same thing, many players
are crowned the "US Champion" from outside of the country.

The biggest example of why pinball should allow all competitors to
participate in the EPC, is that the event has precedence of being run
that way.

If you want to deem the best European PLAYER, then have a separate
final with the 4 best European finalists. To crown the European
Pinball Champion IMO, is simply finding the best player that performed
at the tournament, period.

> And there are WPPR-tournaments with closed entries so that won't be a
> problem. A good example would be the Swedish Nationals - which is open for
> swedish citizens only - according to the example above.

The reason for the inclusion of the closed Swedish Championships is
because of the historic tradition of that tournament, which has
existed far longer than WPPR points ever existed. To preserve the
prestige of what that event stands for, we allow a country to have one
'closed' tournament per year limited to only countrymen.

Had the EPC always been setup to only allow Europeans over the past 20
years, I would happen to agree with you and say that the tradition of
the event dictates that no US/Japan/Australia/etc. players can
participate. The simple fact is that the EPC was never designed this
way.

To make myself perfectly clear, if the EPC now became a European only
event, it would forfeit the right to award any WPPR points at all IMO
(and not really IMO since I'm the dictator and make the rules) :-)

Assuming WPPR points are something that's important to the competitive
pinball playing community in Europe, hopefully this doesn't lead to
the removal of any future EPC's if this were to happen.

> Ps. When I arranged the Danish Open Nationals 2010 - I explained this
> problem for them and solved it, not by letting the best Dane out of the
> tournament be the Danish Champion (that would obviously be wrong), but by
> letting the four best Danes out of the Qualifications play for the title
> Danish Pinball Champion 2010 alongside (or after) the ordinary play. Ds.

Couldn't agree more. This is a great way of being able to serve both
purposes, crowning an overall champion of the tournament, and crowning
the "Danish" Champion amongst a group of Danish players. There are
tournaments in the US that do something similar for state champions.

Josh