[fr/en] Images des faces nationales des euro et des cent
Philippe Vigeral
J'ai trouvé sur le site de la Présidence de la République française :
http://www.elysee.fr/europe/pfue/dosprat/euro/euro_.htm (et plus
précisément http://www.elysee.fr/europe/pfue/dosprat/euro/euro4.htm )
une représentation des faces nationales de tous les pays plaisante à
regarder car les pièces ne sont pas regroupées par pays mais par
valeur :
[en]
A pleasant display of national sides of euro coins of same value and
different countries:
1 cent : http://www.elysee.fr/europe/pfue/dosprat/concrete/1ceu.htm
2 cent : http://www.elysee.fr/europe/pfue/dosprat/concrete/2ceu.htm
5 cent : http://www.elysee.fr/europe/pfue/dosprat/concrete/5ceu.htm
10 cent : http://www.elysee.fr/europe/pfue/dosprat/concrete/10ceu.htm
20 cent : http://www.elysee.fr/europe/pfue/dosprat/concrete/20ceu.htm
50 cent : http://www.elysee.fr/europe/pfue/dosprat/concrete/50ceu.htm
1 euro : http://www.elysee.fr/europe/pfue/dosprat/concrete/1eeu.htm
2 euro : http://www.elysee.fr/europe/pfue/dosprat/concrete/2eeu.htm
--
Philippe Vigeral
[fr,en,es]
Thomas Martin Widmann
> J'ai trouvé sur le site de la Présidence de la République française :
> http://www.elysee.fr/europe/pfue/dosprat/euro/euro_.htm (et plus
> précisément http://www.elysee.fr/europe/pfue/dosprat/euro/euro4.htm )
> une représentation des faces nationales de tous les pays plaisante à
> regarder car les pièces ne sont pas regroupées par pays mais par
> valeur :
You could also try <http://www.daimi.au.dk/~viralbus/coins/> which is
just a download I made of all the coin pictures on the ECB web site.
Please don't tell anybody, because it is perhaps not legal to do this!
/Thomas
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Philippe Vigeral
<yrslmjs...@humulus.daimi.au.dk> :
> You could also try <http://www.daimi.au.dk/~viralbus/coins/>
It's fine. :-)
> which is
> just a download I made of all the coin pictures on the ECB web site.
You were right indeed since the Élysée's site is not up-to-date
actually: it doesn't display the true appearance of coins, as shown on
ECB website.
> Please don't tell anybody, because it is perhaps not legal to do this!
Why would it be illegal ? Be careful, nevertheless, when you'll try to
do the same with iron and nickel.
--
Philippe Vigeral
[fr,en,es]
Philippe Vigeral
<yrslmjs...@humulus.daimi.au.dk> :
> You could also try <http://www.daimi.au.dk/~viralbus/coins/> which is
> just a download I made of all the coin pictures on the ECB web site.
Since you recently added San Marino coins, you should note that their
colour will not be different from coins of other countries since alloys
must be identical whatever the country.
--
Philippe Vigeral
[fr,en,es]
Thomas Martin Widmann
You're right -- I should do that. But then I should also translate
the page...
Thomas Martin Widmann
> Philippe Vigeral <p...@pottok.org> writes:
>
> > Thomas Martin Widmann a brillamment écrit dans l'article
> > <yrslmjs...@humulus.daimi.au.dk> :
> >
> > > You could also try <http://www.daimi.au.dk/~viralbus/coins/> which is
> > > just a download I made of all the coin pictures on the ECB web site.
> >
> > Since you recently added San Marino coins, you should note that their
> > colour will not be different from coins of other countries since alloys
> > must be identical whatever the country.
>
> You're right -- I should do that. But then I should also translate
> the page...
OK, now the page is available in Danish, English, German and Spanish.
(I did it quickly, so there are probably some translation errors.)
You should get your preferred language automatically if you have set
your browser preferences properly.
I will be happy to add translations into Dutch, French, Greek,
Italian, Polish, Portuguese, Letzeburgish, Swedish or Czech, if
anybody wants to send me translations. (The selection of languages is
limited by the server installation here.)
Philippe Vigeral
> I will be happy to add translations into [...] French [...]
Here it is :
------- Begin [fr] translation ------
Face commune/Allemagne/France/Italie/Espagne/Pays-Bas/Belgique/Autriche/
Grèce/Portugal/Irlande/Finlande/Luxembourg/San Marin/Vatican/Monaco
Comme vous pouvez le voir, je n'ai pas encore réussi à trouver les
pièces du Vatican ni de Monaco. :-( Les images des pièces de San Marin
ont une couleur différente parce qu'elles proviennent d'une source
différente.
Les faces nationales sont triées selon le nombre de pièces émises par
chaque pays.
------- End [fr] translation -------
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Philippe Vigeral
[fr,en,es]
Thomas Martin Widmann
> Thomas Martin Widmann a brillamment écrit dans l'article
> <yrsy9nq...@humulus.daimi.au.dk> :
>
> > I will be happy to add translations into [...] French [...]
>
> Here it is :
>
> ------- Begin [fr] translation ------
> [...]
> ------- End [fr] translation -------
Thanks. (You forgot to translate the title and the links, so I've
tried to translate those on my own -- I hope it's not too bad...)
Philippe Vigeral
> Thanks. (You forgot to translate the title and the links, so I've
> tried to translate those on my own -- I hope it's not too bad...)
Sorry. You did it perfectly but one small error : your second link
should rather be "Les pages sur l'euro de la BCE".
Thank you for the last sentence. However, you should rather write:
"Je remercie [X] de son aide pour la traduction" ("remercier pour"
is also correct but, since you should say "pour" la traduction
instead of "avec", it sounds better not to use "pour" twice).
--
PhV
Thomas Martin Widmann
OK, thanks for the corrections!
In case anybody hasn't been following this thread closely,
we're discussing <http://www.daimi.au.dk/~viralbus/coins/>.
Philippe Vigeral
> In case anybody hasn't been following this thread closely,
> we're discussing <http://www.daimi.au.dk/~viralbus/coins/>.
[fr]
Maintenant que tout le monde a pu voir l'aspect des pièces en euros que
nous utiliserons dans quelques mois, et en particulier leurs faces
nationales, lançons un petit sondage:
1) Quelle est votre pièce préférée?
2) Classez par ordre de préférence les 3 plus belles séries de pièces.
[en]
Now that everybody knows how the euro coins are, I propose we get a
small opinion poll:
1) Which coin do you prefer?
2) Sort out the 3 more beautiful series of coins.
--
Philippe Vigeral
[fr,en,es]
Thomas Martin Widmann
> Now that everybody knows how the euro coins are, I propose we get a
> small opinion poll:
> 1) Which coin do you prefer?
Italian EUR 1. Close contenders: Finnish EUR 1, Greek EUR 2.
> 2) Sort out the 3 more beautiful series of coins.
Italy and San Marino, with Austria and Greece in a shared 3rd place.
Why? I prefer series with 8 different coins, but neither a Greek
oil-tanker nor Austrian buildings are motives with a European appeal
IMHO.
JL
9ngata.3...@pottok.org...
> lançons un petit sondage
Excellente idée, il me semblerait bon de le publier sur le même site web.
> 1) Quelle est votre pièce préférée?
La pièce grecque de 1 €. J'adore son aspect monnaie antique. Maleureusement je
risque de ne pas la rencontrer souvent...
> 2) Classez par ordre de préférence les 3 plus belles séries de pièces.
1. Italie
2. Grèce
3. Autriche
Prix spécial pour la face commune, que je trouve très réussie compte tenu des
contraintes.
JL.
Philippe Vigeral
> 1) Quelle est votre pièce préférée?
1 euro Italie.
Accessits: 1 euro Finlande, 1 et 2 euros Grèce, 2 euro Italie...
> 2) Classez par ordre de préférence les 3 plus belles séries de pièces.
1- Italie
2- Autriche
3- Grèce
Et, à l'inverse, un prix du manque d'originalité et de sens esthétique
aux séries "royales" des Pays-bas et du Luxembourg. :-(
--
Philippe Vigeral
[fr,en,es]
Jim Riley
wrote:
>[en]
>Now that everybody knows how the euro coins are, I propose we get a
>small opinion poll:
>1) Which coin do you prefer?
10, 20, 50 cent. I don't particularly like the two-color combination
of the Euro coins. It is more like they are a gimmick design/
>2) Sort out the 3 more beautiful series of coins.
1. Italy.
2. Greece. I like the historical progression of the coins sets.
3. Portugal. Treating them more as abstract designs rather than
figuring out what they are.
Which of the common-design or portrait countries will be the first to
do a complete redesign? Will countries switch to the cleaner designs
such as Finland, Ireland, and Greece, with the ring of stars and
image.
What do the 12 stars symbolize? The 12 Euro countries? The 12 EU
countries before there were 15?
How is a coin flip called for coins without a portrait (heads or
tails?)
--
Jim Riley
Dennis SCP
> How is a coin flip called for coins without a portrait (heads or
> tails?)
Ah thats a good one. We Dutch can keep our "head or coin" expression,
most of the time. But for the other Euro's I coin up "State or tails?"
as "State or number" doesn't sound fluent. Maybe something like "State
or value?" or "State or cash".
If we can't agree we could alway go back to the walkup where you walk
sideways toward each other, the first one who has to step on the other
one's foot with their too when measuring, is the looser. Yes, you walk
sidewards but you measure frontwards, hoping that you don't touch the
other player when measuring. It's quite a funny sight.
--
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JL
9ni9e1$ju2$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net...
> 10, 20, 50 cent. I don't particularly like the two-color combination
> of the Euro coins. It is more like they are a gimmick design/
I like them. It's also a security feature, since these coins are more
difficult to counterfeit.
> What do the 12 stars symbolize?
It is the symbol of the European Union, no matter how many members it has. It
just happen to coincide with the number of countries in the euro zone.
> How is a coin flip called for coins without a portrait (heads or
> tails?)
Tails is the common side, so heads is the national one, whether it displays a
head or not.
JL.
Philippe Vigeral
<9ni9e1$ju2$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> :
> 10, 20, 50 cent. I don't particularly like the two-color combination
> of the Euro coins. It is more like they are a gimmick design/
As for me, I like it, but I concede French are used to it since
10 FRF and 20 FRF coins both get this design.
> Which of the common-design or portrait countries will be the first to
> do a complete redesign?
I guess it is the Vatican's one (that I didn't see yet) :-|
> What do the 12 stars symbolize? The 12 Euro countries? The 12 EU
> countries before there were 15?
Neither. ;-) The number of stars was fixed when the European flag was
created in 1986, twelve being "the symbol of perfection and unity".
See: <http://europa.eu.int/abc/symbols/emblem/index_en.htm>
> How is a coin flip called for coins without a portrait (heads or
> tails?)
In many countries, coins don't get always a portrait on the "head" side
but a picture (as an example, there are "la semeuse", "le Génie de la
Bastille", "la Tour Eiffel" or "le Mont-Saint-Michel" on some
French coins).
Tail = the side that indicates value = the common side.
Head = the side with no value (and usually a picture) = the national side.
--
Philippe Vigeral
[fr,en,es]
Patrick Ahrer
> 10, 20, 50 cent. I don't particularly like the two-color combination
> of the Euro coins. It is more like they are a gimmick design/
I like the two-color design, although we don't have such coins
in Austria yet.
> How is a coin flip called for coins without a portrait (heads or
> tails?)
I think we will simply go on with "heads or tails". On the
current Austrian coins there is also no head and we say
"Kopf oder Zahl" nevertheless.
patrick
Patrick Ahrer
> [en]
> Now that everybody knows how the euro coins are, I propose we get a
> small opinion poll:
> 1) Which coin do you prefer?
Concerning the common design elements of the coins I like
the 1 Euro coin best.
> 2) Sort out the 3 more beautiful series of coins.
Well, the three most beautiful in my opinion are
+ Greece
+ Italy
+ Austria
because I consider using the same design for more
than one coin to be boring. The only thing I regret is
that in all these three series the design I like best are
those of the least valuable coins.
I also like the coins from San Marino, but since there
are so few of those I wonder if they should participate in
this contest.
Completely uninspired are those series with kings and
queens on all the coins. When I saw these coins for the
first time I was disappointed although I should have
anticipated that. Maybe that's because I live in a country
that hasn't been a monarchy since 1918.
The worst of all is the Spanish series which couldn't be
more boring.
patrick
Thomas Martin Widmann
> I also like the coins from San Marino, but since there
> are so few of those I wonder if they should participate in
> this contest.
By that criterion you could also exclude Luxembourg...
> Completely uninspired are those series with kings and
> queens on all the coins. When I saw these coins for the
> first time I was disappointed although I should have
> anticipated that. Maybe that's because I live in a country
> that hasn't been a monarchy since 1918.
It shouldn't be necessary. Common symbols on Danish coins include the
Queen's portrait, the royal monogram, the royal coat of arms and the
royal crown, so I really think it should be possible to create eight
different coins, even in a monarchy.
> The worst of all is the Spanish series which couldn't be
> more boring.
I don't this 1/2/5 cents are too bad. I think the Belgian coins are
by far the worst -- just a plain, dull face.
Ash Ritter
"Philippe Vigeral" <p...@pottok.org> a écrit dans le message news:
9ngata.3...@pottok.org...
1) 1 EUR Suomi
2) Italia, Ellas, Éire
Jim Riley
denni...@multiweb.neespem.nl.invalid (Dennis SCP) wrote:
>Jim Riley <jim...@pipeline.com> wrote:
>
>> How is a coin flip called for coins without a portrait (heads or
>> tails?)
>
>Ah thats a good one. We Dutch can keep our "head or coin" expression,
>most of the time. But for the other Euro's I coin up "State or tails?"
>as "State or number" doesn't sound fluent. Maybe something like "State
>or value?" or "State or cash".
>
>If we can't agree we could alway go back to the walkup where you walk
>sideways toward each other, the first one who has to step on the other
>one's foot with their too when measuring, is the looser. Yes, you walk
>sidewards but you measure frontwards, hoping that you don't touch the
>other player when measuring. It's quite a funny sight.
I'm not sure I understand. Does each person put their heel in front
of toe, or do they place their feet side by side crossing over their
ankle on every other step? I tried walking heel to toe, but couldn't
walk sideways.
It sounds like tossing a baseball bat. The bat is tossed into the air
and one person grabs the bat wrapping their had around it with the
thumb and forefinger upward. The other player places their hand on
top and so on. Eventually you get to the end of the bat. To win you
have to place your hand over the end of the bat and be able to hold
the bat.
--
Jim Riley
Jim Riley
>Sorry, my mistake. Actually I meant the Belgian coins. I just got
>something wrong when writing the article. The Spanish coins are not the
>best, but not bad.
I think the Spanish euro coins with King Juan Carlos are the best with
a sovereign. Maybe the size allows the details to have more depth.
--
Jim Riley
Gernot Egger
"Patrick Ahrer" <pat...@afss.cjb.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:9nin8s$7rn8j$1...@ID-634.news.dfncis.de...
> I like the two-color design, although we don't have such coins
> in Austria yet.
What about our 50,- ATS coin? It is like the one and two Euro-coin.
lg Gernot
Patrick Ahrer
> What about our 50,- ATS coin? It is like the one and two Euro-coin.
But it's definitely not a coin that's really in circulation. In fact
I didn't know that it even exists before your posting. Do you
know when was it issued?
BTW, welcome to europa.*. :-)
patrick
Christian Feldhaus
> Do you know when was it issued?
These 50 ATS coins have been issued since 1996 (one or two per year).
They are commemorative coins but have a lower nominal value and a higher
circulation than, say, the 500 ATS silver coins.
AFAIK the material is not exactly the same as what is used for the euro
coins, but they look pretty much like the 1 EUR pieces ...
Tschüs,
Christian
Gernot Egger
"Christian Feldhaus" <cfn...@feldhausnet.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:1ezndbt.961g975tqu7aN%cfn...@feldhausnet.de...
> Patrick Ahrer <pat...@afss.cjb.net> wrote:
>
> > Do you know when was it issued?
>
> These 50 ATS coins have been issued since 1996 (one or two per year).
> They are commemorative coins but have a lower nominal value and a higher
> circulation than, say, the 500 ATS silver coins.
I found these ones at home:
1000 Jahre Ostarrichi 996-1996 showing Heinrich I.
Wiener Secession 1897 - 1997 (will be on the 50 Cent-coin too)
Johann Strauss 1825-1899
Schilling 16. Juni 1926 - 28. Februar 2002
BTW: Will the ECB or any national mint be allowed to make eg 10
EUR-silver-coins or 100 EUR-gold-coins? (even as legal tender?)
lg Gernot
Christian Feldhaus
> I found these ones at home:
> 1000 Jahre Ostarrichi 996-1996 showing Heinrich I.
> Wiener Secession 1897 - 1997 (will be on the 50 Cent-coin too)
> Johann Strauss 1825-1899
> Schilling 16. Juni 1926 - 28. Februar 2002
There are also the EU Presidency issue (1998), Konrad Lorenz (1998),
Currency Union (1999), Sigmund Freud (2000), and Ferdinand Porsche
(2000). No, I don't actually have those, but a catalog <g>.
> Will the ECB or any national mint be allowed to make eg 10
> EUR-silver-coins or 100 EUR-gold-coins? (even as legal tender?)
In the first phase of the euro cash there won't be any "common"
commemorative coins. Apparently this decision was made to avoid
confusion. At a later stage (don't ask me when ...) there might well be
such coins.
The member states, however, will indeed mint commemorative or other
"special" coins. In Germany, for example, there will be 10 EUR silver
coins:
http://www.bbr.bund.de/abt2/ii3/preistr.htm
Austria will mint 20 EUR silver coins (e.g. the "Österreich im Wandel
der Zeit" series); don't know about the gold coins.
http://web.pte.at/show.php?pte=010619047
And in a regional newspaper (Rheinische Post 4.9.) I read that in Spain
there will be a 12 - yes, twelve - EUR coin, apparently because that
amount is close to the old one of 2000 ESP.
Note that these commemorative coins will be legal tender in the issuing
country only. Oh well, we won't see them in circulation a lot anyway ...
Tschüs,
Christian
Gernot Egger
> Note that these commemorative coins will be legal tender in the issuing
> country only. Oh well, we won't see them in circulation a lot anyway ...
Great! And I thought we would get a European currency with the euro! So that
means that there will be different kinds of euros! Like you have francs in
.fr and .ch???? (not really, but kind of!)
If the euro is legal tender then any euro coins has to be legal tender.
(That's my opinion!) Just imagine a monarch that is displayed on one of the
euro coins dies and has to be replaced. (of course not immediately) Are the
new coins not legal tender in any other countrs? Only the ones that will be
issued from January 1st 2002?
So national banks chould have to right to change and issue new coins. It
just like now. There are different coins with the same value in circulation
at the moment in many countries. (eg: 20 ATS-coins, 50 ATS-coins or even 100
ATS and more in silver!)
lg Gernot
Pierre Hallet
>
> Christian Feldhaus had written:
> > Note that these commemorative coins will be legal tender
> > in the issuing country only. Oh well, we won't see them
> > in circulation a lot anyway ...
> Great! And I thought we would get a European currency with
> the euro! So that means that there will be different kinds
> of euros! Like you have francs in .fr and .ch???? (not really,
> but kind of!) If the euro is legal tender then any euro coins
> has to be legal tender. (That's my opinion!) Just imagine a
> monarch that is displayed on one of the euro coins dies and
> has to be replaced. (of course not immediately) Are the
> new coins not legal tender in any other countrs? Only the
> ones that will be issued from January 1st 2002?
I expect that commemorative coins will be accepted as long as
the common side is OK. But (say) commemorative 5-euro coins
might raise problems. The right criterion is "Does a Coke
machine accept your coin?" If so, then at least you can get
rid of the coin somewhere. ;-)
About monarchs being replaced: right now in Belgium, Belgian
franc coins were "upgraded" when the current king (Albert II)
replaced the former king. But the old coins, with the former
king (with another design for the *other* side of the coin!),
are still legal tender. And why not? There are two versions
of each coin, but each coin type has the same size, weight,
edge, and color. So when you spend a coin, you hardly know if
it was an old or new coin. Other countries without a monarch
have various versions of the same coins, and no one cares.
In fact, what makes you recognize a coin for what it is is
*not* the drawing, but the size, weight, etc. Think of it
next time you take a handful of coins from your purse and
evaluate how much that is. Do you look at the drawing on
each coin? You don't. You look at the size, color and edge.
That's enough to identify and count them.
Pierre Hallet
Christian Feldhaus
> Great! And I thought we would get a European currency with the euro! So
> that means that there will be different kinds of euros! Like you have
> francs in .fr and .ch???? (not really, but kind of!)
Well, I see your point, but let's be fair :-) How often do you get a
silver (or even gold) commemorative coin back from, say, a supermarket
cashier? The standard coins and those "special" coins simply serve two
different purposes. Even currently, if I used a silver 10 DEM piece to
pay at a grocery store, I might well run into problems although such
coins are legal tender and have to be accepted as a means of payment ...
> Just imagine a monarch that is displayed on one of the euro coins dies and
> has to be replaced. (of course not immediately) Are the new coins not
> legal tender in any other countrs? Only the ones that will be issued from
> January 1st 2002?
Hm, I live fairly close to the Netherlands and use the current Dutch
money a lot. Beatrix, the current head of state, became queen of the
Netherlands about twenty years ago, but nevertheless coins with the
picture of Juliana (queen until 1980) are still fairly common. Not a
problem provided that, as Pierre wrote, criteria such as size, weight
and material remain unchanged.
In a few years we might well see new euro and cent coins that will
reflect the enlargement of the European Union. But of course the cash we
are soon going to use will then stay in use. Problems might arise,
however, if a member state decided that, for whichever reason, one of
its regular euro/cent coins should actually be taken out of circulation.
Tschüs,
Christian