Uno4Kemper vs EurekaProm2 with Kemper device

[cejo...@gmail.com]

Hi,

I would have 2 questions to ask you :

- Could you tell me the advantages to buy an EurekaProm2 chip vs the Uno4Kemper one please ?

- I would need to do exactly what the Uno4Kemper does, but in addition, I would need to have the capabilites to make the 2 FCB1010 expr pedals send different midi message from each rig.

ex :

Rig1 : expr pedal 1 = Volume (CC07) and  expr pedal 2 = Wah (CC02)

Rig2 : expr pedal 1 = Volume (CC07) and  expr pedal 2 = Rate of Rotator Speaker effect (CC..)

Rig3 : expr pedal 1 = mix of GainVolume (CC72) and  expr pedal 2 = WAH (CC01)

Rig4 : anything else...

Could you tell me if Eureka would be abble to deal with this please ?

Regards

Cédric JOUBERT

[Dave]

Let me start by saying the UnO4Kemper is a fine EPROM upgrade for FCB1010/KPA users. And in many ways the UnO4Kemper & the EurekaPROM 2 are similar in that they both:

• make it so you don't have to program the FCB1010 to work with the KPA
• offer effect state feedback to the FCB1010 (so the LEDs reflect the current state of the KPA)
• allow for easy access to effects on/off, presets, & performances

For differences:

• the layout is somewhat different between them
  
• UnO4Kemper has the tuner reflected on the FCB1010
• the EurekaPROM:
• allows you to change the expression pedal definition on the fly in SP mode
• has a 'favorite presets' mode for quick access to 10 of your favorite presets
• and of course, has configurations for a bunch of other controllers

Regarding your expression pedal question, the EurekaPROM in the PA configuration always has the right expression pedal as Volume. The left expression pedal defaults to Wah, but via SP mode can become Delay mix, Delay feedback, Reverb mix, Reverb time, gain, monitor volume, & pitch. So, it's not 'Rig based' as you ask, but it's easily changeable via SP mode.

You can read more about the PA configuration of the EurekaPROM here: http://www.eurekasound.com/eurekaprom/pa

Cheers,

Dave

[cejo...@gmail.com]

Thanks a lot for your complete reply.

The "rig based" is not essential for me as far as I can use a special mode (SP) to select the effect I want to assign to the left expression pedal at any moment. That's great and better :-)

Is the EurekaProm chip opened to midi programming like the Regular UnO one ?

Regards

Cédric

[Dave]

We designed the EurekaPROM so that the user wouldn't need to program it if using an effect-specific configuration (like the Kemper), and that our programmable configuration wouldn't require a computer. Programming is all done on the FCB - this page details it: http://www.eurekasound.com/eurekaprom/pp

Cheers,

Dave

[cejo...@gmail.com]

That seems really great.

I suppose the FCB has been chosen initially for your EPROM because of its low cost...

Wwhat about more robusts Floorboard like the Roland FC300 (or other ones), will they be compatible a next day with Eureka chips, or the FCB will always the one you will use ?

Regards

Cedric

[Dave]

It wasn't really a business decision that made us chose the FCB1010 - rather it was trying (& failing!) to program the FCB1010 that started our business!

We haven't really considered the FC300 - the FCB1010 keeps us busy. :-)

Cheers,

Dave

[cejo...@gmail.com]

I understand... thanks :-)

Regards

Cedric

[cejo...@gmail.com]

Hi,

About the SP mode, I've just have a question:

 

The effects you've listed seems to be constant... Delay mix, Delay feedback, Reverb mix, Reverb time, gain, monitor volume, & pitch.

but let's say, Kemper factory makes an upgrade version that adds a new midi message : 

CC75 => Rotator Speaker rate   (it's just a theoric example)

In SP mode (or other mode), will I have the capability to change the CC of one of the above listed effects (Gain = CC72 for example) and replace the midi message with the new CC75 value ?

To obtain the expr pedal controlling this new effect inplace of the previous one please ?

Regards

Cédric

[Dave]

Well, it just so happens that CC75 is pedal 10 in SP mode of the PA configuration, so you'd be covered on that one. And pedal 9 is CC11. But outside of those numbers - say Kemper adds CC76 as a Rotary Speaker - then you wouldn't be able to access it without an upgraded EurekaPROM.

Hope that helps,

Dave

[cejo...@gmail.com]

It was just an example... I would love to access any midi message of my choice with the EurekaEprom from the FCB Expr pedal...

That is not so important for me because your Eprom is great... but I've hoped the EurekaProm does it, since the UnO Fondator explained me that the UnO regular chip allows such this programming stuff (the Uno4Kemper neither does not allow it)...

As you nicely explained me the difference between Uno4Kemper and EurekaProm, may I ask you to explain me the differences/advantages between UnORegular and EurekaProm please ?

Regards

Cédric

[Dave]

The UnO product is also a fine upgrade to the FCB1010 - it fixes a lot of things that are 'broken' with the native Behringer PROM. The UnO site has a list of differences between the UnO & the native Behringer PROM here: http://ossandust.be/files/comparison%20Behringer%20Uno.pdf

In fact, that the best ways to think about the UnO, as a fixed native PROM. Unlike the EurekaPROM, there are no 'out of the box' customized configurations for specific effects pedals. There is no effect state probing. There isn't the concept of Effects mode, preset mode, etc.

Hope that helps,

Dave

[cejo...@gmail.com]

Thanks Dave

Regards

Cédric

[cejo...@gmail.com]

Hi Dave,

Could you confirm me that with the Expr pedal of the FCB+Eureka Prom, I will be abble to play the whole stuffs which has been described and played in this video please ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PWlQAJZGto

(all this concern Formant shift)

Regards

Cédric

[Dave]

Cédric, I believe the formant shift is done with the wah (CC#1) - so yes, the EurekaPROM-enabled FCB1010 should be able to everything in that video.

[cejo...@gmail.com]

Great, thanks !

(hum... my prom is still at "ISC NEW YORK NY(USPS)" ... but i'm patient ;-)  )