[HSList] Teachers

[Dan Holsopple]

b...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> I do believe that there are some wonderful teachers out there. Teachers
> should win awards at what they have to put up with. Children coming into
> school being abused at home. Many childrens parents don't even give a
> "darn". They bring that mess into the school environment, and that is
> what teachers have to deal with. It's really not the teachers fault that
> they get burnt out early. they really do try. Unfortunately, teachers
> can't do everything and fix everything, and therein lies the beginning
> of problems. Other students have to be in this environment, and take the
> abuse that other children( who are being abused or neglected) are
> dishing out. Why are children acting they way they are acting? Children
> aren't born bad? This is actually a reflection on our society. We need
> to take a good, long look at our society and see what is happening. We
> need to look at the movies that are being made, the TV sitcoms that we
> are watching, and the radio. Most of this is anit-family. this is the
> message our children are receiving. We need to change our society or our
> children don't have a chance.

[I have not watched TV for years. I wanted to DO things with my
family....
not just watch someone else do something! This is a good message to
send
to your children. If you try to change society....you will turn out to
be one of *THEM*. Make the networks beg...."drop out" of the
entertainment
world which is for people who do not know what to do with themselves.

There is no sense in fretting over all the idiots who hand themselves
over to
be filled with junk. Take control of your own domain and encourage
others
to do the same...That is how reform happens. It begins at home. Invite
others to join you.
Dan

P.S. Invest in some good quality videos for those rainy day blues which
happen to us all
on occasion.
]
>
> Zehra

[TIM BANDY]

In a message dated 4/24/98 10:59:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
erri...@vcn.com writes:

<< No one ever questioned whether PS was the BEST teaching method until the
last
10-15 years or so. >>

Hello Dianna,

I am afraid I must disagree with you here. Massachusetts was the national
model for mandatory public schools. Many MA rural children were escorted to
school by force of gun point for quite some time. There was rebellion against
educating children out of the home by force all over America, but in MA there
was actual gun play. State troops were used by the Governor to force
rebellious parents to send their children to school. This action, against the
public will, which took place over 100 years ago, may have been the first
imposition of state power against the public will exercised by people we now
call the Politically Correct. The chief argument for the mandatory school
attendance law was that it was necessary for the good of children of families
too poor (and allegedly too ignorant) to send their children off to school.
Before we sympathize with such claims, we want to be aware that no less than
Benjamin Franklin only hard two years of school as his father could not afford
more. Franklin's mother taught him how to read at home. Franklin is a
monument to the power of reading skills. Knowing how to read was all Franklin
needed to teach himself math, science, how to write well, other languages, and
philosophy. Franklin went on to not only establish the most successful
printing company in the colonies but to establish, edit and write large parts
of a successful newspaper and Farmers Almanac. At age 43, he was the first
American respected all over the world as a major scientist. In fact, the
French King named him as the head of a Royal group to study Mesmer's "animal
magnetism" and to determine whether Mesmer was a con artist or whether he
really believed his animal magnetism (hypnotism) really worked and to
determined whether it did in fact work. Franklin's own study resulted in the
discovery of and his invention of the term and concept of "psychosomatic" and
the need for double-bind studies in medicine. He determined that hypnotism
did not cure health problems, Mesmer was not a con as he really believed
animal magnetism worked as did many of his clients. The reason the clients
thought it worked and the reason many did get a little better was due,
Franklin concluded, to a phenomenon Franklin called "psychosomatic." Shortly
after Franklin's death, a now famous French man discovered, as he experimental
with the thermometer
that Franklin was correct about "psychosomatic" medicine. As the discoverer
of the average human body temperature went about placing the thermometer in
hospital patient's mouths, some would tell him later that "it worked," meaning
that the thermometer have made them feel better. Some were miraculously
'cured' and able to leave the hospital, which in those days was a place for
the sick poor to be quarantined and to die.
Franklin is just one outstanding example of what mothers with just basic
reading and writing skills did at home and what their children could be
capable of when armed with just their ABCs and the ability to read. Or, ...
so it seems to me...
Tim B.

[Charles & Dianna]

-----Original Message-----
TIM BANDY <TIMB...@aol.com> writes:
Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [HSList] Teachers

>
>I am afraid I must disagree with you here. Massachusetts was the national

>model for mandatory public schools. ........

will, which took place over 100 years ago, may have been the first
>imposition of state power against the public will exercised by people we
now

>Tim B.

You are right Tim. Parents were questioning the validity of PS over 100
years ago.
To clairify my statement that parents have only begun to "question PS in the
last 10-15 yrs.": In recent history, most parents gladly sent their
children off to PS. Most were not even aware that HS was even an option for
them....and in many cases, it meant BIG legal trouble if they even attempted
it. I am so pleased that we have grown in numbers and the cases of
harassment are fewer. There seems to be more "acceptance" of the growing HS
movement , certainly more so than 9 years ago when we first began HS.
Thanks for the opportunity to clarify my statement.

Dianna

[TIM BANDY]

In a message dated 4/29/98 3:06:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Diane writes:

<< In recent history, most parents gladly sent their children off to PS. Most
were not even aware that HS was even an option for them....and in many cases,
it meant BIG legal trouble if they even attempted it. >>

Yes, the story of the Ohio, Pennsylvania, Illinois & Michigan Amish struggle
against mandatory school attendance law is admirable. Homeschool has always
been possible in many states when based on religious grounds.
There is a reason that parents shifted from widespread resistance to
manditory school attendance. A compromised was reached whereby parents were
promised local community control over public schools. School decline and
school resistance to reform came after the 1960s brought growing government
interferance with the community controlled public school. The state foot was
wedged in the local school door after the famous Scope's Monkey trial.
Unfortunately, people tend to assume as accurate the left wing depiction of
the social - historical significance of the Scopes trial. The left depiction
is that the trial was about 'truth' and the teacher and student right to
discuss and learn the 'truth.' Actually, the trial was political. The ACLU
talked Scopes into teaching Darwinian Evolution, something he never attempted
or even desired to do before, so that the ACLU could have an opportunity to
take to trial (and by so doing circumvent the normal, proper democratic
process of congress legislating the law) the issue of who controls community
schools, parents and the community or teachers and the state?
Scopes agreed to teach evolution as scientific truth and to plead guilty
when taken to court. The ACLU would then appeal the ruling to an ACLU friendly
appeals judge. The public does not realize this but there is a reason why the
ACLU only throws its money and legal brains behind certain cases. The ACLU
only takes up an issue when an opportunity presents itself in a locale where
there are appeals judges who are liberal or left wing and can be counted on to
provide the ruling the ACLU seeks.
In the end, the parents lost the Scopes case. Scopes, a medicre science
major got what the ACLU promised him, a scholarship at a good school in order
to pursue his graduate degree and assistance in getting a college teaching
job. The ACLU got what it saught, namely weakening of the people's control
over their children's schools and increased power of the state over public
schools. The left works this way. They seek a powerful state and then they
work around the demoncratic process in order to impose their agenda over an
unwilling majority. Once you realize this, their unfaltering support of
President Clinton makes sense. He is the first President to ever place so many
left wing leaders into positions of Federal power and he presses and supports
the left's socialist agenda. Notice how his administration is against changing
the IRS. Stalin had his soldiers and his KGB. Mao had his Red Guard. The
American left has their IRS, the Federal Education Department, the NEA
(propaganda), PBS and Janet Reno, who tried to 'reform'
ATF into a left wing police force. ... Or, so it seems to me.
Tim B.