Why those spam groups?

[kyonshi]

Why do all those usenet servers feel the need to carry all those obvious
spam groups esp. in the alt-hierarchy? I assume at least a fewwere
created as obvious jokes in the 90s, e.g. alt.hobbies.serial-murder

[cr0c0d1le]

My guess is that it would be tedious process.

[kyonshi]

I mean, like eternal september, why have this group in there at all? I
think one can choose what to carry on a server, can't one?

[Marco Moock]

Spam and stupid or off-topic or even illegal discussions are different
things.

[Sn!pe]

I guess that there is so little activity in those joke groups that there
is hardly any overhead cost in just letting them be. Why scratch an
itch that isn't there? - unless it offends those with paticularly tidy
minds, of course.

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[Julieta Shem]

snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes:

[...]

> unless it offends those with paticularly tidy minds, of course.

Which really is where it's at.

[immibis]

no, it's about finding transmission efficiency by transmitting only
valuable content (content which has value)

[Adam H. Kerman]

May we have the Message-ID of that one time you provided signal and not
noise, seamus?

[Dan Purgert]

On 2023-12-27, Sn!pe wrote:
> [...] unless it offends those with paticularly tidy minds, of course.

All the more reason to keep them around :)

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[Julieta Shem]

No. The context implies efficiency by definition. ``[...] there is so

little activity in those joke groups that there is hardly any overhead

cost [...]''

[Julieta Shem]

Dan Purgert <d...@djph.net> writes:

> On 2023-12-27, Sn!pe wrote:
>> [...] unless it offends those with paticularly tidy minds, of course.
>
> All the more reason to keep them around :)

Lol!

[Daniel65]

kyonshi wrote on 28/12/23 12:00 am:

Are you offering your services, time and bytes to check out all the,
WHAT, 100,000++ UseNet newsgroups to let Ray and others know which
groups, in your opinion, should be removed from UseNet??

Well done!!
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Daniel

[immibis]

and yet, they have to be checked for new activity.

[Adam H. Kerman]

No, seamus. That's not how it works. That's not how any of it works.

An articles comes in to the server from a peer. It passes several tests
for standards, Cleanfeed, etc. Ray is running articles through
SpamAssasin.

Articles that pass filters get filed in the newsgroup named on the
Newsgroups header and get assigned a consecutive number. The active
file gets updated with the number of articles filed in each newsgroup
created on the server.

That's it. The process is based on filing articles as they come in.
Articles that have been filed are also offered in the outgoing feed to
peers. There could be, but there is no need, for a process that checks for
newsgroup activity to operate a News server.

There is simply no overhead cost to maintain an already created
newsgroup on a News server.

[Julieta Shem]

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Yes. I would agree with ignoring most of the hierarchy. I think it was
you who suggested that maybe we should design the hierarchy in a similar
way as university departments? Sounds interesting. What about the alt
branch? Do we keep it? It's interesting to have these sandboxes to see
all the new phenomena.

One idea I have is to have an NNTP server that selects from-names at
random for every message posted. I'd like to see how people behave in
long periods of not immediately identifying who is saying what.
(Adopters wouldn't add signatures. Some headers would be removed as
well.)

[Blue-Maned_Hawk]

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[immibis]

On 12/28/23 20:38, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
> No, seamus. That's not how it works. That's not how any of it works.
>
> An articles comes in to the server from a peer. It passes several tests
> for standards, Cleanfeed, etc. Ray is running articles through
> SpamAssasin.
>
> Articles that pass filters get filed in the newsgroup named on the
> Newsgroups header and get assigned a consecutive number. The active
> file gets updated with the number of articles filed in each newsgroup
> created on the server.
>
> That's it. The process is based on filing articles as they come in.
> Articles that have been filed are also offered in the outgoing feed to
> peers. There could be, but there is no need, for a process that checks for
> newsgroup activity to operate a News server.
>
> There is simply no overhead cost to maintain an already created
> newsgroup on a News server.

Ah, I forgot that news servers were write-only.

[immibis]

On 12/28/23 21:00, Julieta Shem wrote:
> Yes. I would agree with ignoring most of the hierarchy. I think it was
> you who suggested that maybe we should design the hierarchy in a similar
> way as university departments? Sounds interesting. What about the alt
> branch? Do we keep it? It's interesting to have these sandboxes to see
> all the new phenomena.

It wasn't me.

> One idea I have is to have an NNTP server that selects from-names at
> random for every message posted. I'd like to see how people behave in
> long periods of not immediately identifying who is saying what.
> (Adopters wouldn't add signatures. Some headers would be removed as
> well.)

Isn't this how those anonymizing servers work, like dizum? I assume
dizum works that way.

[immibis]

On 12/29/23 02:05, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
> ?
>

You've discovered a contrarian, a.k.a. an asshole, someone who thinks
that if something annoys people, that thing must be good.

They're literally a form of cancer of social spaces.

[Adam H. Kerman]

immibis <ne...@immibis.com> wrote:

>>. . .

>Ah, I forgot that news servers were write-only.

I have a thimble. What you knew wouldn't fill it.

[Daniel65]

immibis wrote on 2/1/24 11:05 am:

"write only"?? Really?? So how was I able to READ your post??

Or am I missing the smiley at the end of your post?? ;-P
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[Dan Purgert]

On 2024-01-02, immibis wrote:
> On 12/29/23 02:05, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>> ?
>>
>
> You've discovered a contrarian, a.k.a. an asshole, someone who thinks
> that if something annoys people, that thing must be good.

What's wrong with not listening to the "think of the children" nutters
who keep getting books banned or otherwise act to enforce their
worldview on the rest of us?

Or were those not the "particularly tidy minds" that Sn!pe was talking
about?

[immibis]

On 1/2/24 12:49, Dan Purgert wrote:
> [snipped nonsense]

killfiled

[immibis]

No, as Adam wrote, news servers are write-only. They only file articles
and nobody ever reads them. I'm not sure how you were able to read my
article, because it was only posted to a news server.

[Adam H. Kerman]

immibis <ne...@immibis.com> wrote:
>On 1/2/24 09:31, Daniel65 wrote:
>> immibis wrote on 2/1/24 11:05 am:
>>> On 12/28/23 20:38, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, seamus. That's not how it works. That's not how any of it
>>>> works.
>>>>
>>>> An articles comes in to the server from a peer. It passes several
>>>> tests for standards, Cleanfeed, etc. Ray is running articles
>>>> through SpamAssasin.
>>>>
>>>> Articles that pass filters get filed in the newsgroup named on the
>>>> Newsgroups header and get assigned a consecutive number. The
>>>> active file gets updated with the number of articles filed in each
>>>> newsgroup created on the server.
>>>>
>>>> That's it. The process is based on filing articles as they come
>>>> in. Articles that have been filed are also offered in the outgoing
>>>> feed to peers. There could be, but there is no need, for a process
>>>> that checks for newsgroup activity to operate a News server.
>>>>
>>>> There is simply no overhead cost to maintain an already created
>>>> newsgroup on a News server.
>>>
>>> Ah, I forgot that news servers were write-only.
>>
>> "write only"?? Really?? So how was I able to READ your post??
>>
>> Or am I missing the smiley at the end of your post?? ;-P
>
>No, as Adam wrote, news servers are write-only.

seamus is a liar. Those are seamus's words.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Hey, seamus, each of your prior sockpuppets has kill filed me. Do you
need help with this current idiotic personality?

[Julieta Shem]

I've no idea. It seems to be a remailer.

[immibis]

Do you need help for schizophrenia?

[Mike Grantz]

On 27.12.2023 14:08, kyonshi wrote:

> I mean, like eternal september, why have this group in there at all? I
> think one can choose what to carry on a server, can't one?

Better focus spam there where no sane person is reading than in
important groups, right?

[The Bjornsdottirs - Ellenor]

No, I think he's (if indeed he even is a bloke, and not a bird or an enby
pretending to be a bloke for attention*) just a whit paranoid, or perhaps
has a high index of suspicion after dealing with people who he thinks have
the same MO as this "seamus" character (if it's worth anything to you I
don't believe you a troll make). Nothing diagnosable by itself. Annoying,
yes. Diagnosable? Get real.

* Yes, I'm flipping the "there are no women on the Internet" script. You
don't need to take it seriously if you don't want to. The rest of this
message is serious.

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set a multi-line signature. Some say it should be that way. Most of those
people already have us on their killfile.