Hypothesis: Usenet chronics literally care more about the way you post than actually what you post.

[The Bjornsdottirs]

So recently I got, in public in .support (where such chatter is not
welcome and I would like to sincerely and profusely apologise for
unnecessarily multiplying proceedings) I hasten to add, this delightful
message of joy and hope from *checks iguana* VanguardLH, whose claimed
email address I'm not convinced is real. In full,

> This is Usenet, not e-mail. Etiquettes differ between the differing
> communication venues. If you don't want to comply with netiquette here,
> don't bitch when you rile those who do comply with de facto netiquette.
> Leave, or adapt to the etiquette appropriate to the communication venue
> where you participate.
>
> If you believe bottom-posting is correct then you must arrange all
> quoted content in bottom-posting order. If you believe top-posting is
> correct (not the norm in Usenet) then you must also arrange all quoted
> content in top-posting order -- but you created a jumbled mess. To
> create a jumbled mix of top- and bottom-posted content means you're
> lazy, and a hipocrite. If you are too lazy to arrange all content to
> match your choice of posting order, don't bother to quote at all. It is
> not required.
>
> In addition to sticking with a chosen posting order, also learn to trim
> before submit.
>
> Yep, you can killfile me, too, and most netizens here. It's not just
> others you can plonk. It's others plonking deliberately obstreperous
> posters, like yourself. Play nice with the other kids, or go play by
> yourself elsewhere.
>
> You have bottom-posted in Usenet before. So why not now?

I emitted several choice words (e.g. "play in traffic", and some
accidentally, shall we say, lascivious language) on Akkoma, XMPP, spoken
word in my house, and also on Usenet itself. Some of these I regret, for
obvious reasons. The underlying sentiment I do not.

I think it tells of the nature of a network that we care more about
whether people top post, bottom post, through post or switch post when
they quote (which is the default for followups in most newsreaders), and
that we care whether you do so consistently or not, than the content of
what is actually posted (such as profuse and obvious racism, genocide
advocacy, discrimination against atheists, religious people, disabled
people, homosexuals, and transsexuals, and accusing people of being other
people without basis in fact). Which is really more disruptive of what is
a public forum? Switchposting, or calling for genocide?

I will engage civilly with civil FUs and even private replies (my email
address is real, although it is an alias). Expect a lead time of 5 to 7
days; I think you can understand that's about how often I check "get new
messages" given the atmosphere here.

--
Amelia Bjornsdottir <ze...@umbrellix.net> - Member Switchposters United
for Justice - <https://spufj.trd.is./>

Some people don't like multiline signatures. I kindly request that they
keep their concerns in their own brains. Usenet isn't what it used to be.
The servers are more powerful, have more storage, and have faster uplinks
in even the worst cases. Long sigs can't hurt you anymore.

[immibis]

On 1/19/24 21:14, The Bjornsdottirs wrote:
Do> So recently I got, in public in .support (where such chatter is notyou

> welcome and I would like to sincerely and profusely apologise for

really

> unnecessarily multiplying proceedings) I hasten to add, this delightful

think

> message of joy and hope from *checks iguana* VanguardLH, whose claimed

it

> email address I'm not convinced is real. In full,

doesn't

> >> This is Usenet, not e-mail. Etiquettes differ between the differing
>> communication venues. If you don't want to comply with netiquette here,
>> don't bitch when you rile those who do comply with de facto netiquette.

matter

>> Leave, or adapt to the etiquette appropriate to the communication venue
>> where you participate.
>>
>> If you believe bottom-posting is correct then you must arrange all
>> quoted content in bottom-posting order. If you believe top-posting is

easier to read. I hope this demonstration (skip next 3 lines)

>> correct (not the norm in Usenet) then you must also arrange all quoted
>> content in top-posting order -- but you created a jumbled mess. To

? Following convention makes things (read this before the previous line)

>> create a jumbled mix of top- and bottom-posted content means you're
>> lazy, and a hipocrite. If you are too lazy to arrange all content to
>> match your choice of posting order, don't bother to quote at all. It is

If you want to make things read in a really stupid order, it's your

>> not required.
>>
>> In addition to sticking with a chosen posting order, also learn to trim
>> before submit.

right to do so and our right to call you an idiot.

>>
>> Yep, you can killfile me, too, and most netizens here. It's not just
>> others you can plonk. It's others plonking deliberately obstreperous
>> posters, like yourself. Play nice with the other kids, or go play by

gets my point across. (go up 2 lines)

[Adam H. Kerman]

immibis <ne...@immibis.com> wrote:
>On 1/19/24 21:14, The Bjornsdottirs wrote:

>Do> So recently I got, in public in .support (where such chatter is notyou

Oops! We got our sockpuppets mixed up, did we?

>>. . .

[Sn!pe]

Oh what a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive. --Will Shakespeare

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon just is.

[Julieta Shem]

snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes:

[...]

> Oh what a tangled web we weave
> When first we practice to deceive. --Will Shakespeare

In what play was this said?

[Sn!pe]

Apologies, it seems that I have misattributed it:

<https://nosweatshakespeare.com/quotes/famous/oh-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave/>

"Oh what a tangled web we weave/When first we practice to deceive,' is a
very 'Shakespearean' phrase, however, it is not from Shakespeare. It
comes from an early nineteenth century Scottish author, Sir Walter
Scott, best selling writer of novels, plays, and poems."

[Borax Man]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 20:14:09 -0000 (UTC)
The Bjornsdottirs <ze...@umbrellix.net> wrote:


> I think it tells of the nature of a network that we care more about
> whether people top post, bottom post, through post or switch post when
> they quote (which is the default for followups in most newsreaders), and
> that we care whether you do so consistently or not, than the content of
> what is actually posted (such as profuse and obvious racism, genocide
> advocacy, discrimination against atheists, religious people, disabled
> people, homosexuals, and transsexuals, and accusing people of being other
> people without basis in fact). Which is really more disruptive of what is
> a public forum? Switchposting, or calling for genocide?

I think you are both correct and incorrect.

You may be correct in stating that people care more about the
technology and how to use it than the conversation itself. I've noted
here, in BBS and in Gemini, where it seems sometimes that the point of
people using it is simply to use the technology as an alternative,
rather than actually reach out to people. But it's not that common.

But you then bring up the standard "woke" tropes such as "racism",
"genocide advocacy", "trans" which is so utterly tiring, and just
shows that YOU are one of those chronics who care more about how
something is said than what is said. It's bad enough to have a small
number of people be pedantic about formatting, but the much larger
army out there who is sniffing out and trying to find any offence or
non-Politically Correct interpretation are FAR more annoying.







--

[Bobbie Sellers]

Please go back to sleep and ignore Usenet where woke
means awake to the inequities in most societies and is not
a pejorative.

bliss -+ 86 yoa and about 25+ years on Usenet starting from
BBSes with a link to the Usenet.

[Daniel65]

Sn!pe wrote on 20/1/24 8:43 am:

> Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>> immibis <ne...@immibis.com> wrote:
>>> On 1/19/24 21:14, The Bjornsdottirs wrote:
>>
>>> Do> So recently I got, in public in .support (where such chatter
>>> is notyou
>>
>> Oops! We got our sockpuppets mixed up, did we?
>>
> Oh what a tangled web we weave When first we practice to deceive.
> --Will Shakespeare
>

When we are well practiced at deceiving, are we able to straighten
things out?? ;-P
--
Daniel

[Julieta Shem]

With pratice we can lie by telling only true statements. No web needed.

[Borax Man]

I've been around long enough to know and understand what these people
are really about. Don't try and pull that "they're just fighting
inequities" line with me.

[immibis]

On 1/20/24 10:37, Borax Man wrote:
>
> I've been around long enough to know and understand what these people
> are really about. Don't try and pull that "they're just fighting
> inequities" line with me.
>

Aw damn, you got me. When I say "maybe we shouldn't genocide transgender
people" what I really mean is "let's genocide cisgender people instead".

Not.

[Sn!pe]

Deception is not my thing. Subtle sarcasm with or without double
entendres is more fun, especially when the target 'doesn't get it'.

From my headers:- X-Tongue-In-Cheek: Always

[Sn!pe]

Julieta Shem <js...@yaxenu.org> wrote:

> Daniel65 <dani...@nomail.afraid.org> writes:
>
> > Sn!pe wrote on 20/1/24 8:43 am:
> >> Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> >>> immibis <ne...@immibis.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 1/19/24 21:14, The Bjornsdottirs wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Do> So recently I got, in public in .support (where such chatter
> >>>> is not you
> >>> Oops! We got our sockpuppets mixed up, did we?
> >>>
> >> Oh what a tangled web we weave

> >> When first we practice to deceive. [misattribution edited]

> >>
> > When we are well practiced at deceiving, are we able to straighten
> > things out?? ;-P
>
> With pratice we can lie by telling only true statements. No web needed.

True, that; I never lie. ≈;o)

[Adam H. Kerman]

Could you please use a real verb in there, seamus? What you say is
useless enough, but you don't need to deliberately add meaninglessness
on top of uselessness.

[Paul Edwards]

On 20/01/24 06:58, Borax Man wrote:

> You may be correct in stating that people care more about the
> technology and how to use it than the conversation itself. I've noted
> here, in BBS and in Gemini, where it seems sometimes that the point of
> people using it is simply to use the technology as an alternative,
> rather than actually reach out to people. But it's not that common.

I can remember people hanging out in a Fidonet
group AUST_MODEM who didn't seem to do anything
beyond endlessly debating the merits of particular
modems.

So they bought a modem so that they could talk
about modems.

I'm wondering whether that is the same circular
argument that was identified by that woman in
"Eric the Viking".

BFN. Paul.

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <uog67h$3kifi$4...@dont-email.me> at Sat, 20 Jan 2024 11:10:57,
immibis <ne...@immibis.com> writes

How about isogender? (Or doesn't this work like organic chemistry and
phenol/benzene rings?)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

By the very definition of "news," we hear very little about the dominant
threats to our lives, and the most about the rarest, including terror.
"LibertyMcG" alias Brian P. McGlinchey, 2013-7-23

[immibis]

On 1/20/24 18:36, Paul Edwards wrote:
> I can remember people hanging out in a Fidonet
> group AUST_MODEM who didn't seem to do anything
> beyond endlessly debating the merits of particular
> modems.
>
> So they bought a modem so that they could talk
> about modems.

I think this is also how amateur radio works.

[Borax Man]

You are a flat out liar. Woke people DO NOT say stuff like that.
They threaten to cancel people who deviate in any way from their
orthodoxy. They call anyone and everyone "Nazi" if they say anything
which might indicate they are not on board with your ideas of
diversity. They accuse people of committing genocide if they are
skeptical of gender theory. They attack Feminists who don't quite
accept that a man who identifies as a woman has shared the same
struggles that women have for centuries.

What is perplexing, and evidence we are living in a post truth-world
is that even when exposed, you act as if we didn't see what we saw.

[Borax Man]

"J. P. Gilliver" <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:

> In message <uog67h$3kifi$4...@dont-email.me> at Sat, 20 Jan 2024 11:10:57,
> immibis <ne...@immibis.com> writes
> >On 1/20/24 10:37, Borax Man wrote:
> >> I've been around long enough to know and understand what these
> >>people
> >> are really about. Don't try and pull that "they're just fighting
> >> inequities" line with me.
> >>
> >
> >Aw damn, you got me. When I say "maybe we shouldn't genocide
> >transgender people" what I really mean is "let's genocide cisgender
> >people instead".
> >
> >Not.
>
> How about isogender? (Or doesn't this work like organic chemistry and
> phenol/benzene rings?)
> --

Is isogender when your member hangs to the right instead of the left?

[Sn!pe]

Well, aren't we just the lucky group. Suddenly we have heated
discussion (in no particular order) of: lying; wokeism; cancellation;
deviation; orthodoxy; Nazism; diversity; genocide; gender theory;
feminism; all in one paragraph. Is this a record?

It's exactly what our happy little social group in this quiet backwater
of not-quite-Usenet needs.

[immibis]

Damn straight I call Adolf Hitler a Nazi and threaten to cancel him.

[Adam H. Kerman]

immibis <ne...@immibis.com> wrote:

>>. . .

>Damn straight I call Adolf Hitler a Nazi and threaten to cancel him.

Godwin

[immibis]

I am certainly winning, but you don't have to call me God.

[Adam H. Kerman]

You had kill filed me. Did you forget that again?

I'm here for you. I'll get you the help you need. Just ask.

[Bobbie Sellers]

Yes radio amateurs buy or build equiment
to talk to other radio amateurs about radio. But
when communication with other people is needed
they can pick up a phone and do that.
A lot of computer hobbyist users use email
and online forrums to talk about their hobbies.
Motorcyclists would do the same thing but otherwise
they join in social events using motorcycles to
to places and do things that they can talk about
to other motorcyclists.

So using the Usenet to talk about using
Usenet is not so far out. Using Fidonet to talk
about modems is not strnage at all since we were
continously upgrading during the modem era.

bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2024.01- Linux 6.5.13- Plasma 5.27.10

[Blue-Maned_Hawk]

Borax Man wrote:

> But you then bring up the standard "woke" tropes such as "racism",
> "genocide advocacy", "trans" which is so utterly tiring, and just shows
> that YOU are one of those chronics who care more about how something is
> said than what is said.

You are unfairly conflating all people who care about people not doing
evil things with those who faff about with nomenclature and awareness to
distract people from solving real problems.


--
Blue-Maned_Hawk│shortens to
Hawk│/
blu.mɛin.dʰak/
│he/him/his/himself/Mr.
blue-maned_hawk.srht.site
Note: This is an example of a note.

[Blue-Maned_Hawk]

Borax Man wrote:

> You are a flat out liar. Woke people DO NOT say stuff like that. They
> threaten to cancel people who deviate in any way from their orthodoxy.
> They call anyone and everyone "Nazi" if they say anything which might
> indicate they are not on board with your ideas of diversity. They
> accuse people of committing genocide if they are skeptical of gender
> theory. They attack Feminists who don't quite accept that a man who
> identifies as a woman has shared the same struggles that women have for
> centuries.

Okay, please give your evidence for this.

--
Blue-Maned_Hawk│shortens to
Hawk│/
blu.mɛin.dʰak/
│he/him/his/himself/Mr.
blue-maned_hawk.srht.site

Go! Bweh!

[Blue-Maned_Hawk]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A9

--
Blue-Maned_Hawk│shortens to
Hawk│/
blu.mɛin.dʰak/
│he/him/his/himself/Mr.
blue-maned_hawk.srht.site

I'd not like not to.

[Blue-Maned_Hawk]

Sn!pe wrote:

> Deception is not my thing. Subtle sarcasm with or without double
> entendres is more fun, especially when the target 'doesn't get it'.

You are a sadist.

--
Blue-Maned_Hawk│shortens to
Hawk│/
blu.mɛin.dʰak/
│he/him/his/himself/Mr.
blue-maned_hawk.srht.site

Welcome to this gross utility sink!

[Bobbie Sellers]

On 1/22/24 14:52, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
> Borax Man wrote:
>
>> You are a flat out liar. Woke people DO NOT say stuff like that. They
>> threaten to cancel people who deviate in any way from their orthodoxy.
>> They call anyone and everyone "Nazi" if they say anything which might
>> indicate they are not on board with your ideas of diversity. They
>> accuse people of committing genocide if they are skeptical of gender
>> theory. They attack Feminists who don't quite accept that a man who
>> identifies as a woman has shared the same struggles that women have for
>> centuries.
>
> Okay, please give your evidence for this.

Speaking from 45 Year post-operative experience. genetically blessed
women haved somewhat diffirent struggles than transgenderists who are
genetical male. They do not have to satisfy psychiatrists as to their
sanity other than the monomania of being convinced that they would be
happier in a reconfigured body.
They do not have to deal with the problems inherent in a natural female
body including menstruation and post-menapausal difficulties nor do they
have the have to deal with being taken seriously in technical
professions. M-F Transgenderist mostly do not have the memories of
young girlhood, puberty and adolescence as well as the blessed pain,
risks and agony of childbirth.
Of course F>M transgenderists are having similar but different
sets of problems. But I cannot speak so much about that as I do not
have that experience. In all cases though the path is thorny.

I only attack people generally who are attacking me in a
meanful non-verbal way. I used to be fairly active in both LGB politics
when transgender people were not popular with LBG people and feminists
who sometimes neglected to stay in touch so I withdrew as I have better
if trivial things to do with my time than hang around women who have
something negative fixed in their heads about my motives. Give me
a chance to debate the imbecilic Janice Raymond who wrote the
Transsexual Empire and I would give it a miss these days because
debating with doltish, imperceptive people who have no interior life
is no longer attractive. Nor at 86 yoa is my health very good.

The present RWNJs who suppose that children are being somehow
pointed toward transgenderism are just indulging in the same sort of
culture wars that rouse up the base of their power against Rock and
Roll, Feminism in general and the stupid idea that Washington, DC is
being run by pedophiles. Recent research by the way shows that the
sort of people who are pedophiles, adulters and exhibitionists {as
seen in a recent episode of a prominent female congressperson acting
out in a theatre) are the big danger to your children aside from
their own relatives.

bliss-in San Francisco, a fount of nearly useless information about
people who only existed as images poorly printed on cheap paper
and in the minds of countless young victims of cheap presses.

[Borax Man]

On 2024-01-22, Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Borax Man wrote:
>
>> You are a flat out liar. Woke people DO NOT say stuff like that. They
>> threaten to cancel people who deviate in any way from their orthodoxy.
>> They call anyone and everyone "Nazi" if they say anything which might
>> indicate they are not on board with your ideas of diversity. They
>> accuse people of committing genocide if they are skeptical of gender
>> theory. They attack Feminists who don't quite accept that a man who
>> identifies as a woman has shared the same struggles that women have for
>> centuries.
>
> Okay, please give your evidence for this.
>

Where to begin? How to begin untangling the gordian knot of
lies and rubbish that is esposed by these ideologues?

I've had to sit through "gender training", where I was
told with a straight face that gender is assigned to
people when they are born, rather than determined. Told,
with a straight face, that in order to do this, they
use a plethora of features, which are all unreliable.
This was by a supposedely reputable group which has government
and corporate support. From there, the rubbish continues.
Those who disagree are classed as bigots, dangerous,
perpetuing ideas which lead people to suicide, genocide.

[Borax Man]

I perhaps partly to blame, but the OP was ironically advocating for
the kind of thing they were advocating against.

To bring the discussion back to earth, there is indeed a problem with
'policing'. If the discussion is about programming, gaming,
gardening, politics, corporate culture, biology, the discussion is
more enjoyable when it stays on the topic of interest. Things do get
derailed when someone decides that the format of the post suddenly
should be the focus, but likewise it also gets derailed when people
decide that the mere mention of some trigger word warrants accusations
of heresy.

Both forms are disruptive. Adults want to have a conversation without
some child spitting chips and making gross accusations against what
are innocent people.


What I care about is the thought put into the response, taking an
argument or statement in good faith, exploring ideas and exchanging
information.

[Sn!pe]

Borax Man <rotf...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[...]

> To bring the discussion back to earth, there is indeed a problem with
> 'policing'. If the discussion is about programming, gaming,
> gardening, politics, corporate culture, biology, the discussion is
> more enjoyable when it stays on the topic of interest. Things do get
> derailed when someone decides that the format of the post suddenly
> should be the focus, but likewise it also gets derailed when people
> decide that the mere mention of some trigger word warrants accusations
> of heresy.
>
> Both forms are disruptive. Adults want to have a conversation without
> some child spitting chips and making gross accusations against what
> are innocent people.
>

I agree, although I find your use of "policing" a bit strong. It's a
great pity that some people are out solely to disrupt. Others may
be so insecure that they can't brook dissent from their thesis or
opinion and so go directly into attack as the best form of defence.

Unless their peers hold inappropriate behaviour up to criticism,
chaos ensues, as witness vast swathes of despoiled Usenet.

>
> What I care about is the thought put into the response, taking an
> argument or statement in good faith, exploring ideas and exchanging
> information.
>

Your last paragraph is the important one.

[Borax Man]

On 2024-01-24, Sn!pe <snip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Borax Man <rotf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>

> I agree, although I find your use of "policing" a bit strong. It's a
> great pity that some people are out solely to disrupt. Others may
> be so insecure that they can't brook dissent from their thesis or
> opinion and so go directly into attack as the best form of defence.

Perhaps the term "policing" is strong. I think many genuinely have
overblown concerns and anxieties, and have this distrust, or belief
that if they don't address your thoughts, attitudes or practices,
really, really bad things will happen. It is lack of perspective
which drives this.

[Sn!pe]

It's shame that so much online interaction is combative. Perhaps human
nature and the chance to be more or less anonymous is the problem.
Whatever, I can't see things ever changing.

[immibis]

Their "distrust, or belief" has been proven right by the events leading
up to the 2016 election.

[Blueshirt]

Sn!pe wrote:

>
> It's shame that so much online interaction is combative.

Who said it's combative?! Please provide a link to back up these
outrageous claims. Also, proof read your posts! You missed an 'a' out
from your sentence. That sort of thing is unacceptable here and
clearly goes against RFC 6969.

:-)

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <uotsc1$2bcpn$2...@dont-email.me> at Thu, 25 Jan 2024 14:48:33,
Blueshirt <blue...@indigo.news> writes

More seriously, disagreement doesn't have to mean combat; healthy
discussion can be amiable. A point often lost (especially by supporters
of various politicians [on all sides]).

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Mike Jackson |\ _,,,---,,_
and Squeak /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ Shame there's no snooze button
[1998] |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'- on a cat who wants breakfast
zzz '---''(_/--' `-'\_)

[Julieta Shem]

The right-hand side of the or can't be the problem. (You may find a way
to force a tiger to be behave like a dolphin, but it isn't a dolphin.)
And the left-hand side can't be either: that makes you and I
unnatural. :-)

[Julieta Shem]

Lol! Well done.

[immibis]

You are treating it as a joke, but this is a serious matter. You are
violating the OSPFv3 Instance ID Registry Update by putting your Private
Use instance IDs in the 128-191 range. You are hereby ordered to cease
and desist or we may proceed with enforcement action.

[Julieta Shem]

Please explain so we be reasonably scared.

[immibis]

You are using Private Use OSPFv3 Instance IDs without even reading
RFC6969? Shame on you!

[Julieta Shem]

Lol! Like the top-level, I'm hopeless.

[Borax Man]

I live in Australia, so the 2016 election (I presume you mean the US
one) is not relevant to me. Yet nevertheless we have in Australia the
same activists who act the same way.

As an outside observer, it seems perplexing what all the fuss is
about.

[Bobbie Sellers]

The MAGA group apparently wants to return "Jim Crow" laws
to the books as they fear black rebellion. The way this crew and
their ancestors treated black people then leads them now to fear the
conseauences of such very bad and uncivilized behavior. Of course
a lot of them fear the vengeance of women and the LBGTQ groups. Many
of them failed for various reasons to go to college or University and
now they believe Jewish people want to replace them with immigrants
or non-white people who had higher education. They tend to accuse
others of the things they are doing.

bliss

[Sn!pe]

Bobbie Sellers <bliss-...@dslextreme.com> wrote:

[...]

> >> Their "distrust, or belief" has been proven right by the events leading
> >> up to the 2016 election.
> >
> > I live in Australia, so the 2016 election (I presume you mean the US
> > one) is not relevant to me. Yet nevertheless we have in Australia the
> > same activists who act the same way.
> >
> > As an outside observer, it seems perplexing what all the fuss is
> > about.
>
> The MAGA group apparently wants to return "Jim Crow" laws
> to the books as they fear black rebellion. The way this crew and
> their ancestors treated black people then leads them now to fear the
> conseauences of such very bad and uncivilized behavior. Of course
> a lot of them fear the vengeance of women and the LBGTQ groups. Many
> of them failed for various reasons to go to college or University and
> now they believe Jewish people want to replace them with immigrants
> or non-white people who had higher education. They tend to accuse
> others of the things they are doing.
>
> bliss
>

Those are very big assertions, do you have any evidence to back them up?

[Adam H. Kerman]

Why would a political discussion on Usenet work any better in this
newsgroup than any other newsgroup?

[Sn!pe]

Quite. AFAIAC political tub-thumping is as damaging to a newsgroup
as are tidal waves of spam. In the same way that people should keep
their sexuality in the bedroom with the door closed, political
discussion, battles, and posturing should be confined to specifically
political groups. Why? Because they're fscking ~boring~ and achieve
nothing.

[Bobbie Sellers]

Constant references by the current leader of MAGA in his campaign
speeches which the MAGA seem to approve of. They accuse
Democratic party members of pedophilia for example while recent
research has shown that many of the accusers have the same profile
as the MAGA folk. They invent ideas of somehow converting children
to gender dysphoria by means of media such as books about people
who are not simply male or female but whose character and inclinations
lead them to conclude that they would be happier in the role of the
other gender, no gender at all and fluid gender depending on other
factors. They say that Drag Queens reading stories to children some
how corrupt the children and that that is the intent of the DQ reading
to children. Drag queens by the way are such from widely different
motives but most are interested in being actors and reading to chilren
is simply a way for the DQ to relate to society.

Now if you would like other matters explicated I am very
good at finding stuff to read. Well Snipe the evidence for many
of the topics covered is historical. You can research how black
people were treated when the Republicans in order to gain the
Presidency of Rutherford B. Hayes abandoned enforcement of civil
rights of our black citizens. Jim Crows laws were promulgated
so that the freedom of economic and movement by black people were
severely inhibited. This was the mood of the nation until the
Civil Rights movements of the 1960s

bliss

[Bobbie Sellers]

Well thank you for your clear statement of your politics.
It seems to be the sort that I decry.
If I had a bedroom and I sleep in a studio apartment if I
continue to pay the rent. I might make my big closet into a bed room
or maybe an computer workroom and physical media storage. Too tired
to involve anyone else in my life.
However until the LGBTQ+ people started marching their rights
as citizens of the USA were in the toilet. The most visible were
the subjects of physical and mental intimidations and societal rejection.
So Snipe I respect you very much for your rational and helpful posts
on Usenet but your opinions are in my opinion, all wet.

bliss in San Francisco

[Adam H. Kerman]

Bobbie Sellers <blissInSa...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>On 1/26/24 19:01, Sn!pe wrote:
>>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>Sn!pe <snip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>Bobbie Sellers <bliss-...@dslextreme.com> wrote:

>>>>[...]

>>>>>>>Their "distrust, or belief" has been proven right by the events leading
>>>>>>>up to the 2016 election.

>>>>>>I live in Australia, so the 2016 election (I presume you mean the US
>>>>>>one) is not relevant to me. Yet nevertheless we have in Australia the
>>>>>>same activists who act the same way.

>>>>>>As an outside observer, it seems perplexing what all the fuss is
>>>>>>about.

>>>>> The MAGA group apparently wants to return "Jim Crow" laws
>>>>>to the books as they fear black rebellion. The way this crew and
>>>>>their ancestors treated black people then leads them now to fear the
>>>>>conseauences of such very bad and uncivilized behavior. Of course
>>>>>a lot of them fear the vengeance of women and the LBGTQ groups. Many
>>>>>of them failed for various reasons to go to college or University and
>>>>>now they believe Jewish people want to replace them with immigrants
>>>>>or non-white people who had higher education. They tend to accuse
>>>>>others of the things they are doing.

>>>>Those are very big assertions, do you have any evidence to back them up?

>>>Why would a political discussion on Usenet work any better in this
>>>newsgroup than any other newsgroup?

>>Quite. AFAIAC political tub-thumping is as damaging to a newsgroup
>>as are tidal waves of spam. In the same way that people should keep
>>their sexuality in the bedroom with the door closed, political
>>discussion, battles, and posturing should be confined to specifically
>>political groups. Why? Because they're fscking ~boring~ and achieve
>>nothing.

> Well thank you for your clear statement of your politics.
> It seems to be the sort that I decry.
> If I had a bedroom and I sleep in a studio apartment if I
>continue to pay the rent. I might make my big closet into a bed room
>or maybe an computer workroom and physical media storage. Too tired
>to involve anyone else in my life.
> However until the LGBTQ+ people started marching their rights
>as citizens of the USA were in the toilet. The most visible were
>the subjects of physical and mental intimidations and societal rejection.
> So Snipe I respect you very much for your rational and helpful posts
>on Usenet but your opinions are in my opinion, all wet.

bonk

What does "My rent is ridiculously high" have to do with sexuality and
societal rejection? Do you reveal on your rental application how
personally popular you are? Do you believe there is a civil right not to
be an outcast? The First Amendment has a free association clause -- the
right of the people peaceably to assemble -- but that doesn't force
people to associate who don't care to.

None of this is "political" in a way that your rights as an American
were violated. You can't always get what you want.

[Bobbie Sellers]

Where do I say the rent is too high? I have lived in the same
apartment last refurbished in the 1950s or earlier since 1974 and plan
to keep paying the rent though my death. However the rent is about
5 times or a little more what I paid when I moved in. The biggest
factor in the rent increase is speculation and inflation. Just like
my pension from Social is larger because of inflation. But speculation
is like 14 owners in 49 years. But because of a window display of old
newspapers found in a renovation I know that in 1916 the rent was the
same as when I moved in in 1973. I think there was one owner in that
58 year period and she died in 1975 or so. To get the same apartment
now which was more recently renovated would cost in the vicinity of
$1400/month with Security deposit and first and last month payment it
would be 3 times that to move in. A space big enough for my books,
vinyl and DVDs leaving space to entertain would be at least double
that and I doubt Social Security is going to pay me ever that much.

Then the property changed hands and management firms
quite often. in the last year the elevator was out for 11 months
continously which broke the old record by 5 months.

bliss

[Daniel65]

Sn!pe wrote on 27/1/24 2:01 pm:

And Religion. Unless the newsgroup is a dedicated Religious newsgroup,
why bring Religion into any newsgroup??

In one of my other newsgroups, a supposed "Doctor Who" newsgroup, one of
the contributors, when he is getting beaten about "Doctor Who", will try
to change the discussion to Religion .... and gets beaten all about the
place on that topic, too!!
--
Daniel

[Borax Man]

Some people have very active imaginations... Some people say
similar things here, they have a belief that a significant number
of people want to commit genocide or something, but this sentiment
usually comes from the mentally unhinged. I suspect its the same
there, that you have people with no grip on reality making
grandiose claims and imagining overblown threats. Seems like
the left wing equivalent of the NWO/Free Masons/Bilderberg
ravings.

[Borax Man]

Thats true. One thing though, I think some people who
derail a topic, by bringing in politics, but do it under
the guise of 'code of conduct'. The Contributor Covenant
is a good example. A code of conduct which is political
in nature, but poses itself as simply a way to stop bad
behaviour. Actually, its more like religion than politics.

I'm not interested in a discussion on the merits of MAGA
or what have you, but I do think it is worthwhile having
a discussion on how people sneak their politics in, and turn
things into a political discussion, doing it in a way
that people don't realise that has happened.

[Kyonshi]

Ah yeah, the willfully blind that ignore all those right-wingers that
call for genocide until it happens, and then it's not all bad, after all
they only pick out people who are different. And that's not all that
bad, is it? And anyway, it's the left wing's fault for warning about it.

[immibis]

Jews in 1932: "Hitler's followers want to kill us!"

You in 1932: "This is a very big assertion. Do you have any evidence to
back it up?"

Jews in 1938: "Hitler and his followers are killing us!"

You in 1938: "Please shut the hell up. Political tub-thumping is
damaging to a newsgroup. This discussion is fscking boring and achieves
nothing. Please confine it to specific political groups."

[Seamus]

On 1/27/24 13:11, Borax Man wrote:
> derail a topic, by bringing in politics, but do it under
> the guise of 'code of conduct'. The Contributor Covenant
> is a good example. A code of conduct which is political
> in nature, but poses itself as simply a way to stop bad
> behaviour. Actually, its more like religion than politics.

All rules and codes of conduct are political.

Some people think that politics is only happening when members of
Congress yell at each other on the telescreen. Those people are idiots.

[Seamus]

On 1/27/24 12:53, Borax Man wrote:

> Some people have very active imaginations... Some people say
> similar things here, they have a belief that a significant number
> of people want to commit genocide or something, but this sentiment
> usually comes from the mentally unhinged. I suspect its the same
> there, that you have people with no grip on reality making
> grandiose claims and imagining overblown threats. Seems like
> the left wing equivalent of the NWO/Free Masons/Bilderberg
> ravings.

Your comment is also what people said about people who warned about the
Nazi party before it came to power.

[Sn!pe]

Bobbie Sellers <bliss-...@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> On 1/26/24 19:01, Sn!pe wrote:
> > Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> >> Sn!pe <snip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Bobbie Sellers <bliss-...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
[...]

> >>>> The MAGA group apparently wants to return "Jim Crow" laws
> >>>> to the books as they fear black rebellion. The way this crew and
> >>>> their ancestors treated black people then leads them now to fear the
> >>>> conseauences of such very bad and uncivilized behavior. Of course
> >>>> a lot of them fear the vengeance of women and the LBGTQ groups. Many
> >>>> of them failed for various reasons to go to college or University and
> >>>> now they believe Jewish people want to replace them with immigrants
> >>>> or non-white people who had higher education. They tend to accuse
> >>>> others of the things they are doing.
> >>>>
> >>>> bliss
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Those are very big assertions, do you have any evidence to back them up?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Why would a political discussion on Usenet work any better in this
> >> newsgroup than any other newsgroup?
> >>
> >
> > Quite. AFAIAC political tub-thumping is as damaging to a newsgroup
> > as are tidal waves of spam. In the same way that people should keep
> > their sexuality in the bedroom with the door closed, political
> > discussion, battles, and posturing should be confined to specifically
> > political groups. Why? Because they're fscking ~boring~ and achieve
> > nothing.
>
> Well thank you for your clear statement of your politics.
> It seems to be the sort that I decry.
>

You know nothing of my politics, Bobbie. Are you aware that I am
British and so very little of your domestic politics is of any interest
to me?

AFAIAA I have never voiced an opinion about the relative merits of
Trump vs. Biden (I view them both as equally flawed, each in their
own inimitable way). US domestic politics may be fascinating to
Americans but the rest of the world generally don't share that
obsession.

Have you seen me write anything about e.g. Brexit, Northern Ireland
or our imminent Budget and the coming General Election? I might voice
opinions about NATO vs. Putin, the ongoing war in Ukraine and the
stationing of nuclear weapons on British soil for the first time in 15
years, but very rarely domestic politics. I try to keep my opinions in
relevant places. At least e-s.talk is a group for general discussion
so, boring or not, at least it isn't off-topic here.

>
> If I had a bedroom and I sleep in a studio apartment if I
> continue to pay the rent. I might make my big closet into a bed room
> or maybe an computer workroom and physical media storage. Too tired
> to involve anyone else in my life.
> However until the LGBTQ+ people started marching their rights
> as citizens of the USA were in the toilet. The most visible were
> the subjects of physical and mental intimidations and societal rejection.
>

Regarding sexuality, here is my

~ PERSONAL STATEMENT ~

I hereby declare that I am not a "hetero cismale".
I am a normal heterosexual man; proudly XY.

My preferred pronouns are:- xy; xym; xys;
- which are pronounced: he; him; his.

I politely request that those of a different persuasion
should kindly respect my fundamentally male nature.

Microaggressions make me cry; please do not trigger me.

Thank you for your kind attention.
We now return you to your regular programming.

~~~~ooOoo~~~~


I make a point of ~not~ flaunting my sexuality, it's for the bedroom.

> So Snipe I respect you very much for your rational and helpful
> posts on Usenet but your opinions are in my opinion, all wet.
>
> bliss in San Francisco
>

Other than your opinion of me, to which you are perfectly entitled,
I struggle to find the relevance of your last three paragraphs.
However, I do note that you have neglected to answer my question
posed above, which was:

"Those are very big assertions, do you have any evidence
to back them up?"

Otherwise they are no more than unsupported assertions and
we can leave it at that.

[sticks]

I get it now. The age is right. Living in San Fran matches. She's
eager to cite all the talking points. I think Bobbie is actually a sock
puppet of Nancy Pelosi. Hi Nancy!

--
Stand With Israel!
NOTE: If you use Google Groups I don't see you,
unless you're whitelisted and that's doubtful.

[Sn!pe]

Bobbie Sellers <bliss-...@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> On 1/26/24 17:59, Sn!pe wrote:
> > Bobbie Sellers <bliss-...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
[...]

I decry parading sexuality of whatever kind in front of children whose
critical faculties are not yet sufficiently developed for them to be
able to process such inappropriate displays. To me, it smacks of
indoctrination.

>
> Now if you would like other matters explicated I am very
> good at finding stuff to read. Well Snipe the evidence for many
> of the topics covered is historical. You can research how black
> people were treated when the Republicans in order to gain the
> Presidency of Rutherford B. Hayes abandoned enforcement of civil
> rights of our black citizens. Jim Crows laws were promulgated
> so that the freedom of economic and movement by black people were
> severely inhibited. This was the mood of the nation until the
> Civil Rights movements of the 1960s
>
> bliss
>

You state: "The MAGA group apparently wants to return "Jim Crow"

laws to the books as they fear black rebellion. The way this crew and
their ancestors treated black people then leads them now to fear the
conseauences of such very bad and uncivilized behavior."

Where is the evidence for that, please? Otherwise it seems little more
than mudslinging at an opponent. I don't disagree that it's "very bad
and uncivilized behavior", I just want to see evidence that "The MAGA
group" want those abhorrent laws back.

--
^Ď^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

[Sn!pe]

immibis <ne...@immibis.com> wrote:

> On 1/27/24 04:01, Sn!pe wrote:
> > Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sn!pe <snip...@gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

> >>> Those are very big assertions, do you have any evidence
> >>> to back them up?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Why would a political discussion on Usenet work any better in this
> >> newsgroup than any other newsgroup?
> >>
> >
> > Quite. AFAIAC political tub-thumping is as damaging to a newsgroup
> > as are tidal waves of spam. In the same way that people should keep
> > their sexuality in the bedroom with the door closed, political
> > discussion, battles, and posturing should be confined to specifically
> > political groups. Why? Because they're fscking ~boring~ and achieve
> > nothing.
> >
>
> Jews in 1932: "Hitler's followers want to kill us!"
>
> You in 1932: "This is a very big assertion. Do you have any evidence
> to back it up?"
>
> Jews in 1938: "Hitler and his followers are killing us!"
>
> You in 1938: "Please shut the hell up. Political tub-thumping is
> damaging to a newsgroup. This discussion is fscking boring and
> achieves nothing. Please confine it to specific political groups."
>

As hyperbolic arguments go, that's a real doozy.
Reductio ad absurdum is a powerful tool, ain't it?

Godwin, BTW. I believe that signals the end of this subthread.

[sticks]

On 1/22/2024 9:29 PM, Nancy Pelosi wrote:
>
>     The present RWNJs who suppose that children are being somehow
> pointed toward transgenderism are just indulging in the same sort of
> culture wars that rouse up the base of their power against Rock and
> Roll, Feminism in general and the stupid idea that Washington, DC is
> being run by pedophiles.  Recent research by the way shows that the
> sort of people who are pedophiles, adulters and exhibitionists {as
> seen in a recent episode of a prominent female congressperson acting
> out in a theatre) are the big danger to your children aside from
> their own relatives.

I'm sure Nancy won't like reading these opinions as it points out a few
things opposing her narrative.

<https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-real-story-behind-drag-queen-story-hour>

[Sn!pe]

Godwin (again).

[Seamus]

On 1/27/24 14:50, Sn!pe wrote:
>
> You know nothing of my politics, Bobbie. Are you aware that I am
> British and so very little of your domestic politics is of any interest
> to me?
>
> AFAIAA I have never voiced an opinion about the relative merits of
> Trump vs. Biden

It doesn't matter. The same politics are present in Britain, even though
the same politicians aren't.

> ~ PERSONAL STATEMENT ~
>
> I hereby declare that I am not a "hetero cismale".
> I am a normal heterosexual man; proudly XY.

Now we know your politics.

[Seamus]

On 1/27/24 15:11, Sn!pe wrote:

> immibis <ne...@immibis.com> wrote:
>>
>> Jews in 1932: "Hitler's followers want to kill us!"
>>
>> You in 1932: "This is a very big assertion. Do you have any evidence
>> to back it up?"
>>
>> Jews in 1938: "Hitler and his followers are killing us!"
>>
>> You in 1938: "Please shut the hell up. Political tub-thumping is
>> damaging to a newsgroup. This discussion is fscking boring and
>> achieves nothing. Please confine it to specific political groups."
>>
>
> As hyperbolic arguments go, that's a real doozy.

Nah, the way you're talking now is literally how people talked in
Germany prior to the Holocaust. There's no hyperbole at all.

Smart people learn from history to prevent bad things before they start.

>
> Godwin, BTW. I believe that signals the end of this subthread.
>

I am definitely winning, but you don't have to call me God.

[immibis]

To repeat:

You in 1932 Germany: "Where is the evidence that Hitler wants to kill
the Jews?"

[Sn!pe]

sticks <wolve...@charter.net> wrote:

> On 1/22/2024 9:29 PM, Nancy Pelosi wrote:
> >
> > The present RWNJs who suppose that children are being somehow
> > pointed toward transgenderism are just indulging in the same sort of
> > culture wars that rouse up the base of their power against Rock and
> > Roll, Feminism in general and the stupid idea that Washington, DC is
> > being run by pedophiles. Recent research by the way shows that the
> > sort of people who are pedophiles, adulters and exhibitionists {as
> > seen in a recent episode of a prominent female congressperson acting
> > out in a theatre) are the big danger to your children aside from
> > their own relatives.
> >
>
> I'm sure Nancy won't like reading these opinions as it points out a few
> things opposing her narrative.
>
> <https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-real-story-behind-drag-queen-story-hour>
>

A very interesting and well-argued read, especially the parts about
paedophilia. It is not for nothing that underage sex is proscribed.

Bobbie would probably find the article interesting.

[Sn!pe]

- And you have made your intent plain.

[Seamus]

On 1/27/24 15:42, Sn!pe wrote:
> sticks <wolve...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> On 1/22/2024 9:29 PM, Nancy Pelosi wrote:
>>>
>>> The present RWNJs who suppose that children are being somehow
>>> pointed toward transgenderism are just indulging in the same sort of
>>> culture wars that rouse up the base of their power against Rock and
>>> Roll, Feminism in general and the stupid idea that Washington, DC is
>>> being run by pedophiles. Recent research by the way shows that the
>>> sort of people who are pedophiles, adulters and exhibitionists {as
>>> seen in a recent episode of a prominent female congressperson acting
>>> out in a theatre) are the big danger to your children aside from
>>> their own relatives.
>>>
>>
>> I'm sure Nancy won't like reading these opinions as it points out a few
>> things opposing her narrative.
>>
>> <https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-real-story-behind-drag-queen-story-hour>
>>
>
> A very interesting and well-argued read

Rightoids are usually good at writing emotional hit pieces that sound
good to other rightoids, yes.

How can you read that gay people are tired of being persecuted for being
gay, and therefore this must end with pedophilia becoming legal, and
call it "well-argued"? By that reasoning, aren't we already well on the
road to pedophilia becoming legal, since we stopped stoning adulterers
to death?

(I know the answer: you just really hate nonconforming people, and will
make up any nonsense to support the idea they should be stopped at any
costs. It's okay to admit you think that. 80 million people agree with you.)

[Seamus]

On 1/27/24 15:12, sticks wrote:
> On 1/22/2024 9:29 PM, Nancy Pelosi wrote:
>>
>>      The present RWNJs who suppose that children are being somehow
>> pointed toward transgenderism are just indulging in the same sort of
>> culture wars that rouse up the base of their power against Rock and
>> Roll, Feminism in general and the stupid idea that Washington, DC is
>> being run by pedophiles.  Recent research by the way shows that the
>> sort of people who are pedophiles, adulters and exhibitionists {as
>> seen in a recent episode of a prominent female congressperson acting
>> out in a theatre) are the big danger to your children aside from
>> their own relatives.
>
> I'm sure Nancy won't like reading these opinions as it points out a few
> things opposing her narrative.
>
> <https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-real-story-behind-drag-queen-story-hour>
>

Yes, it says that if being gay is legal, the slippery slope must end
with pedophilia being legal. Not very intelligent IMO.

[Seamus]

On 1/27/24 15:50, Sn!pe wrote:
> Seamus <ne...@immibis.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/27/24 14:50, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>
>>> You know nothing of my politics, Bobbie. Are you aware that I am
>>> British and so very little of your domestic politics is of any interest
>>> to me?
>>>
>>> AFAIAA I have never voiced an opinion about the relative merits of
>>> Trump vs. Biden
>>
>> It doesn't matter. The same politics are present in Britain, even though
>> the same politicians aren't.
>>
>>> ~ PERSONAL STATEMENT ~
>>>
>>> I hereby declare that I am not a "hetero cismale".
>>> I am a normal heterosexual man; proudly XY.
>>
>> Now we know your politics.
>
> - And you have made your intent plain.
>

To know your politics? Yes, I think that's why the other guy was asking
about your politics.

[Bobbie Sellers]

Godwin has said that current politics where we are seeing
NAZI tactics being employed invalidates that position. Jurors, judges
and ancillary court personnel are subject to threats from NAZI #1 and
his demented followers. People are being attacked with deadly weapons
in schools of all levels from 1-12 and Universities as well, in Malls,
in grocery stores as well as synagogues and bars.
This is not politics but real things happening to real people.

bliss

[Sn!pe]

Bobbie Sellers <bliss-...@dslextreme.com> wrote:

[...]

> > Godwin, BTW. I believe that signals the end of this subthread.
> >
>
> Godwin has said that current politics where we are seeing
> NAZI tactics being employed invalidates that position. Jurors, judges
> and ancillary court personnel are subject to threats from NAZI #1 and
> his demented followers. People are being attacked with deadly weapons
> in schools of all levels from 1-12 and Universities as well, in Malls,
> in grocery stores as well as synagogues and bars.
> This is not politics but real things happening to real people.
>
> bliss
>

OK. I'm not interested in pursuing this line of debate so I am now
disengaging from this subthread. I hope I'll see you elsewhere, Bobbie.

[Blueshirt]

Sn!pe wrote:

> immibis <ne...@immibis.com> wrote:
> >

> > Jews in 1932: "Hitler's followers want to kill us!"
> >
> > You in 1932: "This is a very big assertion. Do you have any
> > evidence to back it up?"
> >
> > Jews in 1938: "Hitler and his followers are killing us!"
> >
> > You in 1938: "Please shut the hell up. Political tub-thumping is
> > damaging to a newsgroup. This discussion is fscking boring and
> > achieves nothing. Please confine it to specific political groups."
>
> As hyperbolic arguments go, that's a real doozy.
> Reductio ad absurdum is a powerful tool, ain't it?
>
> Godwin, BTW. I believe that signals the end of this subthread.

Godwin, the person, changed his position on that a few years ago. He
now maintains that "Godwin" - the internet rule - could also be the
start of the discussion and not the end of it and that sometimes
comparisons to Hitler are acceptable. (IIRC he was on about Donald
Trump at the time!)

[Bobbie Sellers]

You would prefer all females and males wear hijabs?

Well you live in the UK so maybe you do not hear our #45
say that "immigrants are poisoning the blood of the nation."
And it is not Northern European immigrants that this slur is
directed at. His Floridian former competitor has effectively
banned the teaching of accurate American history in the schools
under the pretext of "teaching Critical Race Theory" to the
children. CRT was formerly a law school subject and had never
been taught in other than law schools. He has banned the
autobiographical accounts of LBGTQ people from being shown
to young people which will greatly aid both the sales and
the pirating of these texts and graphical novels.
That Governor and the Governor of Texas have loaded
said immigrants on buses and planes to ship them North and
West to larger cities. Presently the Governor of Texas is
on the verge of finding himself in a state of rebellion against
the Federal Government as he rejects the SCOUSA finding that
his measures on the USA/Texas contiguous border are not
Texas business but should yeild to the Federal...

Against Drag Queens and the flaunting of sexualities?
Who sent us Benny Hill? I know!
It was those degenerates at the BBC.
Thanks BBC.

Drag Queens -Monty Python Flying Circus and also
flaunting of sexualities in several skits.
Thank you very much BBC.

bliss

[Sn!pe]

I'm not interested in discussing Nazism.

[Sn!pe]

Bobbie Sellers <bliss-...@dslextreme.com> wrote:

[...]

> Against Drag Queens and the flaunting of sexualities?
> Who sent us Benny Hill? I know!
> It was those degenerates at the BBC.
> Thanks BBC.
>
> Drag Queens -Monty Python Flying Circus and also
> flaunting of sexualities in several skits.
> Thank you very much BBC.
>
> bliss
>

This has become far too emotionally charged for good Usenetting.
You have the stage, feel free to expound your thesis. You must
excuse me if my attention wanders.

[Bobbie Sellers]

On 1/27/24 03:53, Borax Man wrote:
> On 2024-01-27, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>> On 1/26/24 15:16, Borax Man wrote:
>>> On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 14:34:24 +0100
>>> immibis <ne...@immibis.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/25/24 08:07, Borax Man wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-01-24, Sn!pe <snip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Borax Man <rotf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree, although I find your use of "policing" a bit strong. It's a
>>>>>> great pity that some people are out solely to disrupt. Others may
>>>>>> be so insecure that they can't brook dissent from their thesis or
>>>>>> opinion and so go directly into attack as the best form of defence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps the term "policing" is strong. I think many genuinely have
>>>>> overblown concerns and anxieties, and have this distrust, or belief
>>>>> that if they don't address your thoughts, attitudes or practices,
>>>>> really, really bad things will happen. It is lack of perspective
>>>>> which drives this.
>>>>>
>>>>

>>>> Their "distrust, or belief" has been proven right by the events leading
>>>> up to the 2016 election.
>>>
>>> I live in Australia, so the 2016 election (I presume you mean the US
>>> one) is not relevant to me. Yet nevertheless we have in Australia the
>>> same activists who act the same way.
>>>
>>> As an outside observer, it seems perplexing what all the fuss is
>>> about.
>>

>> The MAGA group apparently wants to return "Jim Crow" laws
>> to the books as they fear black rebellion. The way this crew and
>> their ancestors treated black people then leads them now to fear the
>> conseauences of such very bad and uncivilized behavior. Of course
>> a lot of them fear the vengeance of women and the LBGTQ groups. Many
>> of them failed for various reasons to go to college or University and
>> now they believe Jewish people want to replace them with immigrants
>> or non-white people who had higher education. They tend to accuse
>> others of the things they are doing.
>>
>

> Some people have very active imaginations... Some people say
> similar things here, they have a belief that a significant number
> of people want to commit genocide or something, but this sentiment
> usually comes from the mentally unhinged. I suspect its the same
> there, that you have people with no grip on reality making
> grandiose claims and imagining overblown threats. Seems like
> the left wing equivalent of the NWO/Free Masons/Bilderberg
> ravings.

In his first try for power #45 won with 60+ Million votes.
A conservative device in the US Constitution called the Electoral
College was responsible for his win. In 2020 he lost with 74 million
votes. We only have 334 Million voters but the way but he lost in 2020
but he started lying about this before the election. After the election
lying doubled down and we have the events of January 6, 2021. When
so many are foolish is it correct to call it "mentally unhinged".
I think is is morally and economically unhinged as they vote
against theire best interest to deny civil rights to their
African-American peers.

bliss

[immibis]

On 1/27/24 18:03, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>     Godwin has said that current politics where we are seeing
> NAZI tactics being employed invalidates that position.  Jurors, judges
> and ancillary court personnel are subject to threats from NAZI #1 and
> his demented followers. People are being attacked with deadly weapons
> in schools of all levels from 1-12 and Universities as well, in Malls,
> in grocery stores as well as synagogues and bars.
>     This is not politics but real things happening to real people.

Nazis will never acknowledge this. They will just state some lame excuse
and ignore it.

[immibis]

On 1/27/24 18:52, Sn!pe wrote:
>
> I'm not interested in discussing Nazism.
>

Most Nazis aren't interested in discussing Nazism. They simply do it.

[immibis]

On 1/27/24 18:57, Sn!pe wrote:
> Bobbie Sellers <bliss-...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Against Drag Queens and the flaunting of sexualities?
>> Who sent us Benny Hill? I know!
>> It was those degenerates at the BBC.
>> Thanks BBC.
>>
>> Drag Queens -Monty Python Flying Circus and also
>> flaunting of sexualities in several skits.
>> Thank you very much BBC.
>>
>> bliss
>>
>
> This has become far too emotionally charged for good Usenetting.
> You have the stage, feel free to expound your thesis. You must
> excuse me if my attention wanders.
>

The real reason you suddenly stopped talking is that you no longer found
yourself on the winning side of the conversation.

[Bobbie Sellers]

On 1/27/24 06:12, sticks wrote:
> On 1/22/2024 9:29 PM, Nancy Pelosi wrote:
>>
>>      The present RWNJs who suppose that children are being somehow
>> pointed toward transgenderism are just indulging in the same sort of
>> culture wars that rouse up the base of their power against Rock and
>> Roll, Feminism in general and the stupid idea that Washington, DC is
>> being run by pedophiles.  Recent research by the way shows that the
>> sort of people who are pedophiles, adulters and exhibitionists {as
>> seen in a recent episode of a prominent female congressperson acting
>> out in a theatre) are the big danger to your children aside from
>> their own relatives.
>
> I'm sure Nancy won't like reading these opinions as it points out a few
> things opposing her narrative.
>
> <https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-real-story-behind-drag-queen-story-hour>
>

Strangely enough it remains that parents, siblings and pastors lead in
pedophilia stats.
Drag was around for most of the 19th Century in that den of Vice, New
York City and was eventually sternly repressed because at
the big Drag Balls, *black and white* people mixed. The way it
was most sternly repressed was with the end of Prohibition when the
State of New York took control of alcohol licensing and forbade
homosexual bars. This gave the Mafia control of the Gay Bars in NYC.
That led to the Stonewall Riots which led to the Gay Pride Parades.
Similar laws were enacted all over the nation including California
and police repression of Gay people ensued but High Schools students
felt sufficiently empowered to murder people that they "thought" were
Gay in San Francisco in the 1950s.
Ever heard of Ru Paul? Most important drag queen in NYC.

History is curiously enlightening.

Repression leads to rebellion to greater freedom in the USA.

bliss

[Bobbie Sellers]

Oh I did but most of it is supposition. And if you want to get
rid of divergent sexualities and gender expression then it is all up
the heterosexuals to stop reproducing because every queer is the result
of heterosexual reproduction
As for bad behavior on the part of some drag queens, etc. what
group of people do not have members who are prone to bad behavior?

As for pedophilia again the facts are ignored and that is that
the family and religion are the basic sources of such bad behavior
because the relationships are stronger there with people in authority
over the child. Pedophilia is a sad response to adulthood and fear
of adult relationships which of course are hard

Just my view from the bottom of the social/economic pyramid.

bliss

[Bobbie Sellers]

Oh like NAZI #1 aka #45, they call it Fake News.

bliss

[Seamus]

On 1/27/24 19:35, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>     Oh I did but most of it is supposition. And if you want to get
> rid of divergent sexualities and gender expression then it is all up
> the heterosexuals to stop reproducing because every queer is the result
> of heterosexual reproduction

If there were more politicians like Bobbie Sellers, perhaps the world
wouldn't have a Nazi problem.

[Bobbie Sellers]

Never blame a man for stopping. Personally rather than politically I am
very tired of representing my position and since
I am a rotten slow typist I have neglected my breakfast and several
other matters as I put forward my position and the reasons for my
position looking up at the structure of the so-called pyramidal
structure of society. Remember that Jeffery Epstein was part of one
of the layers of society considered by some to be far above me.
Now I am going to the PCLinuxOS Forum to see if anyone more
ignorant than me needs help. We do not talk politics or religion
there but for the fact that we consider PCLinuxOS superior to all
other GNU/Linux distributions.

bliss- who envies Nancy for her family above all else.

[Sn!pe]

How rude. I'll note that you have obliquely called me a Nazi
and I decline to bite on that rusty hook. Bye now.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Sn!pe <snip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>immibis <ne...@immibis.com> wrote:
>>On 1/27/24 18:52, Sn!pe wrote:

>>>I'm not interested in discussing Nazism.

>>Most Nazis aren't interested in discussing Nazism. They simply do it.

>How rude. I'll note that you have obliquely called me a Nazi
>and I decline to bite on that rusty hook. Bye now.

C'mon. Would you please declare the seamusing already? Who just shows up
in an institutional hierarchy? Who would go after you?

[sticks]

On 1/27/2024 1:34 PM, Sn!pe wrote:
> immibis <ne...@immibis.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/27/24 18:52, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not interested in discussing Nazism.
>>>
>> Most Nazis aren't interested in discussing Nazism. They simply do it.
>
> How rude. I'll note that you have obliquely called me a Nazi
> and I decline to bite on that rusty hook. Bye now.
>

Ironically, it's exactly what the Nazi's did. You are now an outcast
because we don't like the way you think. Our way or else. They
identify all those who don't agree and put a mark on them. Calling you
a Nazi somehow justifies their thinking. It's this weird new joining of
Marxist and Nazi behavior to cancel opposing thought. Unfortunately,
they're blind to it's reality.

--
Stand With Israel!
NOTE: If you use Google Groups I don't see you,
unless you're whitelisted and that's doubtful.

[Bobbie Sellers]

On 1/27/24 11:51, sticks wrote:
> On 1/27/2024 1:34 PM, Sn!pe wrote:
>> immibis <ne...@immibis.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/27/24 18:52, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not interested in discussing Nazism.
>>>>
>>> Most Nazis aren't interested in discussing Nazism. They simply do it.
>>
>> How rude.  I'll note that you have obliquely called me a Nazi
>> and I decline to bite on that rusty hook.  Bye now.
>>
>
> Ironically, it's exactly what the Nazi's did.  You are now an outcast
> because we don't like the way you think.  Our way or else.  They
> identify all those who don't agree and put a mark on them.  Calling you
> a Nazi somehow justifies their thinking.  It's this weird new joining of
> Marxist and Nazi behavior to cancel opposing thought.  Unfortunately,
> they're blind to it's reality.

Calling it Marxist or Fascist misses the mark it is in mildest
form Authoritarian and in worst form Totalitarian.

People calling themselves Christian Dominionists are real and
have been working on subverting the US Constiturion for over 50 years.
They would run a Totalitarian regime based on their human and therefore
imperfect, understanding of their "holy" scriptures. It would be the
worst equaling the Taliban in Afganistan in its anti-human depravity.

Just my opinions of course but these mislead nerds would
crucify Yeshua ben Joseph all over again. Meantime they will
crucify other humans by simply denying them their existence.
As in denying transgender people the right to use toilets.
Denying black people the right to grow their hair. I suggest
they are insecure in whatever sexual identity they claim.

Just my opinion so why do they get so upset.

bliss

[Bobbie Sellers]

No but the people who unconsciously support the NAZI problem
would have a Bobbie problem.

None but the creator of the Univese if there is such is perfect.
But s/he ain't human and I doubt very much s/he ever has been. Unless
that is in all of us, the ones I like and the ones I find despicable.

But the rule is "Love thy One Another". No exceptions.

bliss

[Sn!pe]

Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

Are you suggesting that [shock, horror] I may have a ~stalker~ ?!
I'm a nice guy, you know that, I never knowingly offend anybody.
Well ... nobody who matters, anyway.
.
.
.
Now that you mention it, there are one or two precious individuals
from the murky depths of alt.*; maybe it's one of them. Just ignore
them, unless you feel like pointing and laughing. ≈;o)

[Seamus]

On 1/27/24 20:51, sticks wrote:
> On 1/27/2024 1:34 PM, Sn!pe wrote:
>> immibis <ne...@immibis.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/27/24 18:52, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not interested in discussing Nazism.
>>>>
>>> Most Nazis aren't interested in discussing Nazism. They simply do it.
>>
>> How rude.  I'll note that you have obliquely called me a Nazi
>> and I decline to bite on that rusty hook.  Bye now.
>
> Ironically, it's exactly what the Nazi's did.

It's also what we did to the Nazi's.

[Borax Man]

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 14:43:42 +0100
Seamus <ne...@immibis.com> wrote:

> On 1/27/24 13:11, Borax Man wrote:
> > derail a topic, by bringing in politics, but do it under
> > the guise of 'code of conduct'. The Contributor Covenant
> > is a good example. A code of conduct which is political
> > in nature, but poses itself as simply a way to stop bad
> > behaviour. Actually, its more like religion than politics.
>
> All rules and codes of conduct are political.
>
> Some people think that politics is only happening when members of
> Congress yell at each other on the telescreen. Those people are idiots.

If I put a rule that says "Do personal attacks" thats not political,
its just a code of conduct. There are no ramificiation beyond
disallowing a particular type of direct abuse. However some "woke"
codes of conducts have rules or standards which presume the
correctness of their political ideology. You then just need to root
out people who could be deemed violaters and attack them for going
against the Code of Conduct. Someone who speaks as if sex is a binary
could be regarded as 'transphobic' for instance. This way their
particular theory they have of gender becomes a rule. This is like a
blasphemy law, where stating your own particular scientific/historical
fact could be deemed offensive to someones religion. A zealous code
of conduct could get you kicked off for stating what you believe is a
fact which contradicts a religious belief.

There have been actual cases where this has happened, so we need to be
wary of people who want to 'fix' an online discussion space because of
"isms". The chance that you'll eventually be cajoled into having to
believe what they believe is worringly high. They never state this
upfront, but it happens.

[Daniel65]

Sn!pe wrote on 28/1/24 12:50 am:
> Bobbie Sellers <bliss-...@dslextreme.com> wrote:

>> On 1/26/24 19:01, Sn!pe wrote:
>>> Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>> Sn!pe <snip...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> Bobbie Sellers <bliss-...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> [...]

>>>>>> The MAGA group apparently wants to return "Jim Crow" laws
>>>>>> to the books as they fear black rebellion. The way this
>>>>>> crew and their ancestors treated black people then leads
>>>>>> them now to fear the conseauences of such very bad and
>>>>>> uncivilized behavior. Of course a lot of them fear the
>>>>>> vengeance of women and the LBGTQ groups. Many of them
>>>>>> failed for various reasons to go to college or University
>>>>>> and now they believe Jewish people want to replace them
>>>>>> with immigrants or non-white people who had higher
>>>>>> education. They tend to accuse others of the things they
>>>>>> are doing.
>>>>>>

>>>>>> bliss

>>>>>
>>>>> Those are very big assertions, do you have any evidence to
>>>>> back them up?
>>>>>
>>>> Why would a political discussion on Usenet work any better in
>>>> this newsgroup than any other newsgroup?
>>>>
>>> Quite. AFAIAC political tub-thumping is as damaging to a
>>> newsgroup as are tidal waves of spam. In the same way that
>>> people should keep their sexuality in the bedroom with the door
>>> closed, political discussion, battles, and posturing should be
>>> confined to specifically political groups. Why? Because they're
>>> fscking ~boring~ and achieve nothing.
>>

>> Well thank you for your clear statement of your politics. It seems
>> to be the sort that I decry.

>>
> You know nothing of my politics, Bobbie. Are you aware that I am
> British and so very little of your domestic politics is of any
> interest to me?
>
> AFAIAA I have never voiced an opinion about the relative merits of

> Trump vs. Biden (I view them both as equally flawed, each in their
> own inimitable way). US domestic politics may be fascinating to
> Americans but the rest of the world generally don't share that
> obsession.

I may be waaaay of Base, but I would think if U.S. Politics were
'fascinating' to the Yanks MORE OF THEM WOULD ACTUALLY GET OUT AND VOTE
.... rather than just siting back and bitching!!
--
Daniel

[immibis]

On 1/28/24 00:03, Borax Man wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 14:43:42 +0100
> Seamus <ne...@immibis.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/27/24 13:11, Borax Man wrote:
>>> derail a topic, by bringing in politics, but do it under
>>> the guise of 'code of conduct'. The Contributor Covenant
>>> is a good example. A code of conduct which is political
>>> in nature, but poses itself as simply a way to stop bad
>>> behaviour. Actually, its more like religion than politics.
>>
>> All rules and codes of conduct are political.
>>
>> Some people think that politics is only happening when members of
>> Congress yell at each other on the telescreen. Those people are idiots.
>
> If I put a rule that says "Do personal attacks" thats not political,
> its just a code of conduct.

You wouldn't ban people for calling other people "woke" or "communist",
even though that's a personal attack. In fact you'd argue it wasn't a
personal attack.