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Adam H. Kerman

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May 19, 2013, 10:34:32 AM5/19/13
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I'm not able to use the search engine on
http://www.eternal-september.org/hierarchies.php

Aragorn

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May 19, 2013, 11:14:13 AM5/19/13
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On Sunday 19 May 2013 16:34, Adam H. Kerman conveyed the following to
eternal-september.talk...

> I'm not able to use the search engine on
> http://www.eternal-september.org/hierarchies.php

Hmm... And the page displays in German, rather than in English. Odd...
8-/

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Ray Banana

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May 19, 2013, 12:01:13 PM5/19/13
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Thus spake "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com>

> I'm not able to use the search engine on
> http://www.eternal-september.org/hierarchies.php

I like these concise error descriptions ...

Anyway, the web server didn't have access to the newsserver's active
file, since it's running on a separate box. Fixed now. Thanks for the
heads-up.

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http://www.eternal-september.org

Ray Banana

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May 19, 2013, 12:01:49 PM5/19/13
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Thus spake Aragorn <thor...@telenet.be.invalid>

> On Sunday 19 May 2013 16:34, Adam H. Kerman conveyed the following to
> eternal-september.talk...
>
>> I'm not able to use the search engine on
>> http://www.eternal-september.org/hierarchies.php
>
> Hmm... And the page displays in German, rather than in English. Odd...
> 8-/

That depends on your browser settings.

Aragorn

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May 19, 2013, 12:35:52 PM5/19/13
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On Sunday 19 May 2013 18:01, Ray Banana conveyed the following to
eternal-september.talk...

> Thus spake Aragorn <thor...@telenet.be.invalid>
>
>> On Sunday 19 May 2013 16:34, Adam H. Kerman conveyed the following to
>> eternal-september.talk...
>>
>>> I'm not able to use the search engine on
>>> http://www.eternal-september.org/hierarchies.php
>>
>> Hmm... And the page displays in German, rather than in English.
>> Odd... 8-/
>
> That depends on your browser settings.

My entire operating system (and by consequence my browser) is installed
in US English, and I don't see why I would be seeing the page in German,
given that German is not even my native tongue.

I reside in Belgium, where German is one of the three official
languages, but I reside in the Flanders, the northern part of the
country, where the native tongue is Dutch. Dutch is the language spoken
by 55% of the Belgian population, with 40% speaking French and only 5%
speaking German, as an "inheritance" from the redrawing of the eastern
border at the end of World War I.

Aragorn

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May 19, 2013, 12:37:47 PM5/19/13
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On Sunday 19 May 2013 18:35, Aragorn conveyed the following to eternal-
september.talk...
Addendum: I forgot to mention that during earlier visits to that
particular page while using the same browser - even the same version, on
the same machine - the page was previously displayed in US English. So
it cannot possibly be related to any settings in my browser, because I
haven't changed anything.

Bert

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May 19, 2013, 1:07:23 PM5/19/13
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In news:knaupp$egu$2...@dont-email.me Aragorn
<thor...@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:

> My entire operating system (and by consequence my browser) is
> installed in US English, and I don't see why I would be seeing the
> page in German, given that German is not even my native tongue.

When I visit that page, I see a small graphic of a flag immediately
above the word "Links."

When the page is displayed in English, the graphic is of the German
flag.

Clicking that graphic switches the display to German, and changes the
graphic to the UK flag.

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Adam H. Kerman

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May 19, 2013, 2:44:15 PM5/19/13
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Ray Banana <ray...@banana.shacknet.nu> wrote:
>Thus spake "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com>

>>I'm not able to use the search engine on
>>http://www.eternal-september.org/hierarchies.php

>I like these concise error descriptions ...

>Anyway, the web server didn't have access to the newsserver's active
>file, since it's running on a separate box. Fixed now. Thanks for the
>heads-up.

Thank you for fixing it. Is the newsgroups file on that separate box, too?
That's an interesting configuration.

That reminds me that I should check William Bagwell's propagation search
engine to see if it's consulting eternal-september.

Aragorn

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May 19, 2013, 2:54:00 PM5/19/13
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On Sunday 19 May 2013 19:07, Bert conveyed the following to eternal-
september.talk...
Yeah, that works, but the next time I visit that page, it's in German
again, and as I wrote in my follow-up, it _used to be_ in English for
me, and this without that any settings in my browser or operating system
have changed since then.

Robert Miles

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May 19, 2013, 11:10:55 PM5/19/13
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Do you mean that you could not have accidentally changed it by hitting
the wrong key or keys?

Adam H. Kerman

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May 20, 2013, 1:06:51 AM5/20/13
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Robert Miles <rober...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>On 5/19/2013 1:54 PM, Aragorn wrote:
>>On Sunday 19 May 2013 19:07, Bert conveyed:
>>>Aragorn <thor...@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:

>>>>My entire operating system (and by consequence my browser) is
>>>>installed in US English, and I don't see why I would be seeing the
>>>>page in German, given that German is not even my native tongue.

>>>When I visit that page, I see a small graphic of a flag immediately
>>>above the word "Links."

>>>When the page is displayed in English, the graphic is of the German
>>>flag.

>>>Clicking that graphic switches the display to German, and changes the
>>>graphic to the UK flag.

>>Yeah, that works, but the next time I visit that page, it's in German
>>again, and as I wrote in my follow-up, it _used to be_ in English for
>>me, and this without that any settings in my browser or operating system
>>have changed since then.

>Do you mean that you could not have accidentally changed it by hitting
>the wrong key or keys?

Firefox has a language preference setting. While the group search
function wasn't available, the page displayed in German. After it was
fixed, it displayed in English. I didn't change my preference. Maybe
the English language page lives on the other host with the active file.

Aragorn

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May 20, 2013, 8:47:41 AM5/20/13
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On Monday 20 May 2013 05:10, Robert Miles conveyed the following to
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I am very confident in that, and the experiment is repeatable.

Jon Ribbens

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May 20, 2013, 9:20:45 PM5/20/13
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On 2013-05-19, Ray Banana <ray...@banana.shacknet.nu> wrote:
> Thus spake Aragorn <thor...@telenet.be.invalid>
>> On Sunday 19 May 2013 16:34, Adam H. Kerman conveyed the following to
>> eternal-september.talk...
>>
>>> I'm not able to use the search engine on
>>> http://www.eternal-september.org/hierarchies.php
>>
>> Hmm... And the page displays in German, rather than in English. Odd...
>> 8-/
>
> That depends on your browser settings.

Nope, I see it in German too, and my browser is sending:

Accept-Language: en-GB,en-US;q=0.8,en;q=0.6

Barry Margolin

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May 21, 2013, 12:02:05 AM5/21/13
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In article <slrnkplj6v.1...@snowy.squish.net>,
It's using a cookie to remember your language preference based on
clicking on the flag. But it's a session cookie, so it expires when you
close the browser.

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Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA

Jon Ribbens

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May 21, 2013, 5:05:58 AM5/21/13
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Nope, I see it in German without any cookies being involved.

Barry Margolin

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May 21, 2013, 10:33:47 AM5/21/13
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In article <slrnkpmef9.j...@snowy.squish.net>,
Jon Ribbens <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote:

> On 2013-05-21, Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > In article <slrnkplj6v.1...@snowy.squish.net>,
> > Jon Ribbens <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Nope, I see it in German too, and my browser is sending:
> >>
> >> Accept-Language: en-GB,en-US;q=0.8,en;q=0.6
> >
> > It's using a cookie to remember your language preference based on
> > clicking on the flag. But it's a session cookie, so it expires when you
> > close the browser.
>
> Nope, I see it in German without any cookies being involved.

That's the default, I think. I had to click on the UK flag to get
English. It stayed English until I deleted the PHPSESSIONID cookie (the
only cookie set by the site), then reverted to German.

Jon Ribbens

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May 21, 2013, 10:41:06 AM5/21/13
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On 2013-05-21, Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <slrnkpmef9.j...@snowy.squish.net>,
> Jon Ribbens <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 2013-05-21, Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>> > In article <slrnkplj6v.1...@snowy.squish.net>,
>> > Jon Ribbens <jon+u...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> Nope, I see it in German too, and my browser is sending:
>> >>
>> >> Accept-Language: en-GB,en-US;q=0.8,en;q=0.6
>> >
>> > It's using a cookie to remember your language preference based on
>> > clicking on the flag. But it's a session cookie, so it expires when you
>> > close the browser.
>>
>> Nope, I see it in German without any cookies being involved.
>
> That's the default, I think. I had to click on the UK flag to get
> English. It stayed English until I deleted the PHPSESSIONID cookie (the
> only cookie set by the site), then reverted to German.

I was rather taking Ray's comment that "That depends on your browser
settings" to mean that the server inspects the Accept-Language header
and responds using the appropriate language.
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